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Gary Ballance
« on: March 01, 2019, 04:03:36 PM »

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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2019, 05:40:07 PM »

I really want him to be as good as he was for that spell with England. 4 100s was it? Good luck to him, and congrats @Kippax !
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2021, 08:42:51 PM »

Breaking story!
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2021, 09:27:45 PM »

Remarkable how quickly Yorkshire were able to get out a statement defending the racist behaviour of Ballance compared to how long they have spent avoiding dealing with the culture of instructional racism within the Club
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2021, 09:35:05 PM »

Theres clearly issues that need resolving there which run thru the club.
Ballance has released his own statement as the press seemed to be camping on his doorstep.
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2021, 09:41:02 PM »

Remarkable how quickly Yorkshire were able to get out a statement defending the racist behaviour of Ballance compared to how long they have spent avoiding dealing with the culture of instructional racism within the Club

I wasn't aware that they had?
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2021, 10:10:41 PM »

Yikes.
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2021, 10:20:13 PM »

 Was he naive or did he think he best cooperate as he knew of Azeem's complaints.

What I find more disturbing is that Ballance gave these answers to the inquiry.  What of the players and people who didn't cooperate. What's missing? Either way it's a shambles.

Yorkshire have been arrogant and aloof. I feel sorry for all the hardworking decent people at the club who are going to have to deal with the fallout due to behaviour of others.

Sponsors are pulling out now... which will help them see the reality and severity of the situation they have helped create.
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2021, 10:43:52 PM »

Totally agree with the above. Theres no excuse for racism but if you read Ballances statement and believe it to be trueits not the worst thing to come out of the enquiry-those who did not co operate and the attempt to cover up the findings are worse.
Ballance has at least owned up

I suspect also now major sponsors are pulling out-the board will be disbanded-just like a Company getting new people in could bring confidence back.
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2021, 02:11:50 PM »

The problem YCCC have got is a lot of this dates back many years and, from an employment perspective, you will struggle to implement such disciplinary sanction easily in line with relevant policy and procedure.  As this is historic behaviours, and Rafiq hasn't been employed by YCCC for near three years now, it all makes the employment side of things more difficult.

Reading snippets of the report (or the bits that have been reported), there is a number of issues at varying levels and I wonder what would be the fall-out if it was to be fully disclosed. Which "former" team mates and coaches would this impact? Could it go all the way to the top? All this could bring down more than just Yorkshire or a couple of players. 

I, for one, am happy Ballance has openly admitted it and accepted responsibility.  I would have liked the same from others.

As disciplinary action is designed for creating change in behaviour or actions, and if he has openly stated he is sorry and would have changed had Rafiq asked him not to, what would giving Ballance some disciplinary sanction (written warning or something) do that he hasn't already acknowledged.  The only impact would either be a fine or having his contract ended, and I bet that there would be another county that would pick him straight up as "he has changed his ways" and he would not be impacted negatively.  I am surprised Ballance has not highlighted the comments Rafiq allegedly stated toward him in the same way, about his birthplace and heritage.

The more significant reflections should be the county structure and engagement, which they have been doing, but maybe not enough.  I would doubt this is purely YCCC who are weak in this area, but they are the ones highlighted and other counties should take serious note and reflect on their own set ups to make sure they are not caught out in future. It's also about the way it has been handled.  I would note that 36 out of the 43 allegations have been unsubstantiated.

I think it would want to have done the board restructure under the radar, rather than in view of the cricketing world, but here they now are.  Chairman to go, probably some of the coaches and executive team, all with nice little pay-offs and then to rebuild.



 
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2021, 04:16:51 PM »

Yikes.

I wasn't aware that Yorkshire had made a statement defending Ballance was what I meant. They haven't.

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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2021, 05:20:52 PM »

The problem YCCC have got is a lot of this dates back many years and, from an employment perspective, you will struggle to implement such disciplinary sanction easily in line with relevant policy and procedure.  As this is historic behaviours, and Rafiq hasn't been employed by YCCC for near three years now, it all makes the employment side of things more difficult.

Reading snippets of the report (or the bits that have been reported), there is a number of issues at varying levels and I wonder what would be the fall-out if it was to be fully disclosed. Which "former" team mates and coaches would this impact? Could it go all the way to the top? All this could bring down more than just Yorkshire or a couple of players. 

I, for one, am happy Ballance has openly admitted it and accepted responsibility.  I would have liked the same from others.

As disciplinary action is designed for creating change in behaviour or actions, and if he has openly stated he is sorry and would have changed had Rafiq asked him not to, what would giving Ballance some disciplinary sanction (written warning or something) do that he hasn't already acknowledged.  The only impact would either be a fine or having his contract ended, and I bet that there would be another county that would pick him straight up as "he has changed his ways" and he would not be impacted negatively.  I am surprised Ballance has not highlighted the comments Rafiq allegedly stated toward him in the same way, about his birthplace and heritage.

The more significant reflections should be the county structure and engagement, which they have been doing, but maybe not enough.  I would doubt this is purely YCCC who are weak in this area, but they are the ones highlighted and other counties should take serious note and reflect on their own set ups to make sure they are not caught out in future. It's also about the way it has been handled.  I would note that 36 out of the 43 allegations have been unsubstantiated.

I think it would want to have done the board restructure under the radar, rather than in view of the cricketing world, but here they now are.  Chairman to go, probably some of the coaches and executive team, all with nice little pay-offs and then to rebuild.

Two points jump out to me.

36 of the 43 allegations were unsubstantiated.  The law firm conducting the investigation recorded that they were unable to come to a conclusion on a large number of the allegations as a number of those who were material to the allegations refused to cooperate with the investigation.

As a practicing employment lawyer, I can reassure you that an employer will not struggle to take disciplinary action due to the fact that this behaviour goes back over a decade.  On the other hand, senior leaders within an organisation who are fully aware of the extent of misconduct within its ranks may be reluctant to take appropriate action knowing that they will also face sanction once the ball starts rolling
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2021, 06:05:47 PM »

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/2337251/ecb-board-statement-on-yorkshire-county-cricket-club

ECB statement is out. Apparently Ballance is now not eligible for England selection!
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2021, 06:16:46 PM »

Yorkshire has been suspended from hosting England matches following the racism allegations made by former player Azeem Rafiq.

The England and Wales Cricket Board says the ban will last until the club has "clearly demonstrated that it can meet the standards expected".

Yorkshire's Gary Ballance, who has admitted using racist language towards ex-team-mate Rafiq, has been suspended indefinitely from England selection.

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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2021, 06:24:36 PM »

Two points jump out to me.

36 of the 43 allegations were unsubstantiated.  The law firm conducting the investigation recorded that they were unable to come to a conclusion on a large number of the allegations as a number of those who were material to the allegations refused to cooperate with the investigation.

As a practicing employment lawyer, I can reassure you that an employer will not struggle to take disciplinary action due to the fact that this behaviour goes back over a decade.  On the other hand, senior leaders within an organisation who are fully aware of the extent of misconduct within its ranks may be reluctant to take appropriate action knowing that they will also face sanction once the ball starts rolling

As a practicing employment lawyer, would you class the waiting of over 10 years to raise something reasonable? At the time, he wasnt even employed, therefore the grievance policy wouldnt even apply. Unless the county had something specific in their policy, they could have ignored his complaints, from an employment point of view.

The ECB ban seems a little pointless as I doubt he would have been in contention anytime soon.
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