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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #120 on: February 14, 2022, 10:27:47 AM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/60364451

Seen this article in a couple of places now - don;t know how I feel about this really.

I've long felt, without the benefit of statistics, that Broad and Anderson, whilst being greats, do not take enough wickets at the start of an innings, certainly not in the last few years. However, if played together will always open the bowling, relegating potential strike options such as Wood to 1st change.

Too often I've felt they prefer to bowl 'dry' and keep it tight instead of hunting for wickets. Broad in particular seems to bowl a back of a length that won't hit the stumps and rarely gets an LBW.

I appreciate with Archer, Stone not available and other quick options as yet untried we're limited, but i really want to see us knock a few over early, and give the quickest use of the ball at it's most optimal. At times it feels like both Anderson and Broad could be used as stock bowlers.

I'm sure may would disagree, however it feels like even if the quicker options were available, they still wouldn't get to open.

I am conflicted though, because in the same breath i think I would have taken one of them on tour - I just feel that moving forward we shouldn't pick both of them at the same time and look to bring on 2 or 3 younger options. Robinson has picked up many wickets and is young and seemingly confident, but would we find the next Robinson if these two keep getting picked?

It's a toughy.

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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #121 on: February 14, 2022, 10:40:31 AM »

I suspect that there's been a 'dressing-room thing', that we'll not know about until much later.
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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #122 on: February 14, 2022, 10:49:08 AM »

Agree with a lot of what the legend @FattusCattus has posted. I would of taken one of them on tour and going forward maybe both do not play together. Stats can be used either way but I did see one that shows in the last 9 years B and A have taken the most wickets in every year.
Watching them bowl I do not see they are deteriorating, in fact they look as good now as 5 years ago.

But we do need to find replacements and the ones tried are out injured. Im a big fan of Woakes but away from home there is no way he is better than Broad or Anderson, so we have not picked our best side for this tour.

Robinson is an interesting one, lacking the conditioning needed at the moment, if he played with either of the other two at 39 and 35 would it motivate him to get to the level needed??

Personally I think Root has a problem skippering them and Strauss has given him what he wanted-thats just my view.
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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #123 on: February 14, 2022, 11:38:21 AM »

I think two, three years ago there was a good argument as made by Bruce above that Broad especially was more interested in his economy rate than in taking wickets, but when he has played in the last 12 months he has looked to be fitter and more attacking than previously.  Anderson is a different animal - when you move the ball as much as he does I expect it is a nightmare to work out how full you have to get it not to look like you are just showing off!

Bottom line, one but not both unless it is a must win game on a green top.
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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #124 on: February 14, 2022, 12:39:39 PM »

The challenge with both players, regardless how good they have been is that they haven't played that much cricket in the last 18 months. Plus Anderson has become a little injury prone.

Plus both have frequently been poor on the first morning of a game and Anderson has barely taken a wicket in the second innings during the last 18 months.

Personally I would have taken Broad to the Windies, but am not that bothered. It is better for both to get overs in the county game and have a send off in the summer.

Either way it is all nonsense when we are constantly 20-3.

Plus Root at 3 has been done and it doesn't work.

So the issues you need to solve remain systemic.
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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #125 on: February 14, 2022, 05:14:30 PM »

Root wants bat on ball early in his innings, and is too busy at the crease. Root isnt a number three in my book. He is our best bat and was doing ok at 4. Woakes looks more like a 3 than Root. Stokes back at 6 and tell home to stop batting like a proper batter.
I would be looking at Tom Abell as skipper. Cant be worse than Root!

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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #126 on: February 14, 2022, 06:39:09 PM »

"Stop batting like a proper batter."  :o
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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #127 on: February 14, 2022, 10:09:45 PM »

I would be looking at Tom Abell as skipper. Cant be worse than Root!

I wouldn't say it was the worst idea I've ever heard...but its up there.  I mean, aside from the fact that he has hardly scored a run in 18 months, and that Somerset were terrible under his leadership last season, he's a great bet.

Sorry, don't mean to be harsh but have to call it how it is.  If Root were stood down - and I hope he will be, to concentrate on setting batting records - then the right call would be Stokes, with arrangements made to reduce his bowling workload back down toward zero.  If hypothetically we were looking out into the county game, Lees is in the squad and has experience, Vince must be closer to a recall than Abell to a call up.  Hell, Ben Foakes has some captaincy experience if it comes to it!
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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #128 on: February 14, 2022, 11:02:15 PM »

I can remember England teams with less talent than the current set up but I can't really remember a team when there was no little leadership. I don't think anyone would disagree with the view that Root isn't a good captain but the biggest argument for him staying in a key role is that there is no clear alternative.

It is probably indicative of a side that loses games generally not by being comprehensively outplayed but by losing the key passages within games that there is little obvious leadership
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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #129 on: February 14, 2022, 11:31:30 PM »

"Stop batting like a proper batter."  :o
Haha came out wrong but I think Stokes has changed his game too much
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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2022, 11:33:20 PM »

I wouldn't say it was the worst idea I've ever heard...but its up there.  I mean, aside from the fact that he has hardly scored a run in 18 months, and that Somerset were terrible under his leadership last season, he's a great bet.

Sorry, don't mean to be harsh but have to call it how it is.  If Root were stood down - and I hope he will be, to concentrate on setting batting records - then the right call would be Stokes, with arrangements made to reduce his bowling workload back down toward zero.  If hypothetically we were looking out into the county game, Lees is in the squad and has experience, Vince must be closer to a recall than Abell to a call up.  Hell, Ben Foakes has some captaincy experience if it comes to it!

So you would keep Root as captain?
Great shout on Foakes- sod Abell, youve convinced me.
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Re: Alec Stewart the new England coach?? Nope its Colly (for nowl
« Reply #131 on: February 15, 2022, 09:28:08 AM »

I can remember England teams with less talent than the current set up but I can't really remember a team when there was no little leadership. I don't think anyone would disagree with the view that Root isn't a good captain but the biggest argument for him staying in a key role is that there is no clear alternative.

It is probably indicative of a side that loses games generally not by being comprehensively outplayed but by losing the key passages within games that there is little obvious leadership

Yes and Root needs Buttler by his side and Stokes. It might explain why Buttler was given lots of chances to stay in the team.

But he has gone now and until a couple of months ago Burns and even Broad might be possibles but againthats dumped. I dont see Burns getting another cap.

Its why I think we need an experienced coach so they can help Root. Someone like Kirsten or Alec Stewart. Or a Langer.

I think myself its vital we get a decent coach in to help and challenge the team, and a separate selection chief because we have just seen Silverwood not work trying to do too many jobs.
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