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England v Ireland Test
« on: May 15, 2023, 10:14:24 PM »

Tim Wigmore is reporting they've actually dropped Foakes altogether for Bairstow

Genuinely appalling
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Re: Re: County Championship 2023
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2023, 12:34:51 AM »

If that's true that's an awful shout. What has Bairstow done post injury to supplant Foakes?
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Re: Re: County Championship 2023
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2023, 07:04:37 AM »

I think this report may be correct with Bairstow asking to keep for Yorkshire.

Sorry state of affairs if this is right, Bairstow has to come back in but as a batsman.

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Re: Re: County Championship 2023
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2023, 09:28:39 AM »

The wrong call in my opinion.  Bairstow deserves a spot but reality check here - before his injury he was killing it as a SPECIALIST BATSMAN after years of chopping and changing. 
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Re: Re: County Championship 2023
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2023, 09:36:03 AM »

Argument is simple Bairstow batting vs Foakes keeping.

Bairstow is no doubt a match winner and fits the plans of what the team want it harsh but you can see the reasons, Harsh on Foakes but better keepers have been left out before because of team set up.
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Re: Re: County Championship 2023
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2023, 09:37:39 AM »

massive mistake by england, Rob Key's comments are just as bad. reads as if they want all batters to just tee off, personally id rather the best keeper and a batter than can keep out a straight ball
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Re: Re: County Championship 2023
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2023, 10:10:49 AM »

Confirmed Foakes out.Ive seen some keepers badly treated over the years by England, this tops the lot.

If you forget keeping altogether anyone saying Foakes is not a better player than Crawley needs help.

Had high hopes for the new nanagement too.

Foakes has gone from the best keeper in the world by Stokes to not good enough to get a game.

Absolute joke
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Re: Re: County Championship 2023
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2023, 11:22:37 AM »

Argument is simple Bairstow batting vs Foakes keeping.

Bairstow is no doubt a match winner and fits the plans of what the team want it harsh but you can see the reasons, Harsh on Foakes but better keepers have been left out before because of team set up.

The argument is simple, as you rightly say.  I also fear those espousing it may be as well!

I agree, Bairstow is the better batsman.  Foakes is the better keeper.  But to limit consideration in this way is awfully reductive.  Yes, Bairstow might average x more than Foakes (or more accurately might play one truly match altering innings in a Summer) but the dismissals Foakes will make that Jonny won't more than offset that.  Especially if its Labuschagne, early doors on a shirtfront.  And the damage to Bairstow's ageing, not entirely svelte body of keeping damages his long term availability across three formats.

Indeed, the argument should not even be between the two - it should be a question of who the best XI players are - and I think consensus would be that both come into that category, and one Zac Crawley does not.  Maybe that means Foakes is told to try opening and just give it his best shot (lets face it, he can't do worse than the new Liebenburg!), maybe it means someone else is. 
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Re: Re: County Championship 2023
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2023, 12:27:46 PM »

Wow!
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Re: Bairstow in for Foakes
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2023, 02:27:31 PM »

Have split this as it isn't chat about the champo.

Still an absolute disgrace mind you.

Apparently the view was that opening is a specialist position so they couldn't move someone up to replace Crawley meaning it was a choice of one or the other.

Having come back from a triple fracture of his leg and carrying some extra timber, I just don't see picking Bairstow as keeper is a good option.

Also worth noting he has been brilliant as a slip when he hasn't kept.

Neither of these things should be under estimated.

I still think that Brook has the technical ability to open and score more runs than Crawley.

Which puts Bairstow in his natural position.

Foakes offers so much to this team, ditching him is ridiculous.
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Re: Bairstow in for Foakes
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2023, 03:05:34 PM »

Also a disgrace the message it sends about IPL v Championship. Brook could/should have been left out?

You'd also think that Foakes would be better middle-order cover than Lawrence (who had a poor season last year and isn't having a great one this).
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Re: Bairstow in for Foakes
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2023, 03:08:35 PM »

No way Brook was being left out after the start to his career.

Absolutely daft that opener is considered a specialist spot but Pope can bat 3 having never done it before.
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Re: Bairstow in for Foakes
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2023, 03:13:19 PM »

Yet an IPL franchise can leave him out!
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Re: Bairstow in for Foakes
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2023, 03:16:14 PM »

Unless the IPL has taken a real turn there might be a very good format based reason for that 😂
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Re: Bairstow in for Foakes
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2023, 03:30:02 PM »

Unless the IPL has taken a real turn there might be a very good format based reason for that 😂

And yet...

Oh, nevermind.
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