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Having got my fill of 2-10 to 2-11 bats and one 2-8.6 RS (which is still on the way to me), I wanted to experiment with a few heavier bats - I wanted them short blade but thick all over, so more meat in the hitting area and better pick up due to more meat higher up the blade.


I had a custom Red Ink (grade 3) made for me, 3.5 cm shorter blade with mid/low middle and I just left it to John to produce me the best bat possible.  What resulted was a 2-11.8lb beauty (with anti-scuff sheet) with a 39mm edge after rounding and a 63mm spine allowing for the face camber and minimal (about 2mm) of concaving on the back.  Still legal.  The face only had 4 full grains and 2 partial grains but it came fully knocked in and it pings, the pressing is beautiful.  Had one net session with it and the balls bit from the middle travel and the ones not hit from the middle will still get 1s and 2s if you find the gap.  The back is slightly bumpy in places but who cares.  What is impressive is there is no difference in pick up with the lighter 2-10 bats.  I've got a fair few, so I suppose I can compare them.  I picked up the bat without putting on the scale and it picked up alright, didn't notice any difference.  The shorter blade was also not an issue at all once I got used to using the end of the handle as a reference rather than the top of the blade.






Then over the weekend, I went to see Paul Aldred to get a butterfly made by him.  I chose the cleft, it had 2 butterfly stains in the playing area, one faint one and one bigger one, but very straight grains and about 50% heartwood.  Given that Paul makes great bats, all I said to Paul was I use 2-10 to 2-11 bats, want a Silver Sovereign but a fuller profile with no concaving and a shorter blade and a very oval handle.  I have other bats and so just wanted the best bat Paul could make and not put too many spec restrictions.  I specifically didn't want weight to be an issue as made up my mind to do it just based on feel and balance.

Paul asked me to try the bat for balance and pick up as he kept shaving the wood, he settled for a 1/2 inch shorter blade although I asked for 1 inch shorter.  What he said was that we could always take wood out of the bat but can't put it back on.  So we kept going until I liked the feel and pick up of the bat and Paul finished it up.  I had 3 bats that I used in matches with me for comparison for pick up.  I did realise that the bat was slightly heavier than my match bats but the balance felt beautiful and I didn't want to change anything.  I figured I might as well have a bat on the heavier side as I've also one sub 2.9 bat.  The bat just about fit through his bat gauge, 39mm edges after rounding.  After it was finished, I played a few drives and it felt beautiful and dare I say powerful and it didn't hurt the bat speed.  I'm experimenting with a high, almost vertical backlift to generate more power next season and it didn't feel bad at all.

On my way out, I asked Paul to weight the bat - my jaw dropped when I saw the scale: 2lb 15.8oz, easily 4oz clear of my next heaviest bat.  It didn't feel nearly as heavy and in the big scheme of things, that's 100 gm extra.  So I resolved to knock it in and net all winter with it to see if I can play all my shots, particularly the cuts and pulls as driving shouldn't be too much of a problem with a heavier bat.  I'm netting twice a week up to Christmas, so should be a decent run.  The thick and heavy oval handles go a long way in aiding pick up.

The ping on the bat, as can be expected with all Aldred bats, especially a monster, was beautiful.  I have changed my mind a bit about dead weight versus pick up.  I do reserve the right to change my opinion after netting but I do believe that dead weight sticklers will miss out on otherwise absolutely great bats.  If I didn't visit the shop and asked for something of a specific weight, I may have missed out on this beauty.







Just to compare - a huge profile 2-11 Phantom Illusion versus the Aldred









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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 04:42:19 PM »

Great review. I have a big Red ink and a pair of Aldred butterfly's, great minds think alike. I was ypthinking of getting a Jedi so I would be interested in your thoughts on your one.
I think it will either be a Jedi or a Helygen under the tree for me this Christmas. The daughter will be getting another Red Ink.
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 06:23:19 PM »

I like the shape of that Aldred
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 06:34:10 PM »

Great review. I have a big Red ink and a pair of Aldred butterfly's, great minds think alike. I was ypthinking of getting a Jedi so I would be interested in your thoughts on your one.
I think it will either be a Jedi or a Helygen under the tree for me this Christmas. The daughter will be getting another Red Ink.


@Gurujames I can't speak for Helygen but I would strongly recommend the JEDI.  JEDI is superb value for money.  Mine is their lowest Grade 1 - the Ultimate Grade, the lowest grade for which they will do a custom bat rather than their stock shapes.  Looks wise, There's a sliver of heartwood on the inside edge and two specs but otherwise, its very clean and straight grains.  But the performance was absolutely superb straight out of the packet, extremely well pressed and it only got better after knocking in.  Here's me using it in the nets, I've netted twice with it.  Will only get better.  My only point will be if you like an oval handle, be specific about it being really oval.  I asked for semi-oval and it feels very round.  If it had an oval handle, it would've been perfect. 

I'm absolutely spoilt for choice for next season.


Me netting with the JEDI, sounds absolutely sweet off the middle.
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 06:38:36 PM »

I like the shape of that Aldred

It's an absolute whale of a bat JB @JB, I hope I can make it work because it would be an absolute crime if I have to take weight off.  And the ping is absolutely superb, rivals my JEDI straight out of the packet, perhaps a even tad better, and I still need to get it knocked in.  And it pings all the way to 'D' on the sticker.
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2017, 08:35:42 PM »

There's a blank Jedi going cheap in the 'For Sale', I think.
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2017, 08:38:39 PM »

2lb 7oz though. Great if you want a light one.
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2017, 09:49:14 PM »

The Aldred looks v nice. Where's the blank Jedi for sale? Do you have a link??
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2017, 10:05:40 PM »

@BatGoonMcClintock , the Aldred looks amazing! They are excellent bats; I have a G1 butterfly and Paul did a great job with the bat. I would suggest you try out your 2-15 bat for extended nets and see how it feels. Heavy bat pick up light but over a long inning, they begin to weigh arms down. That is my experience. You may have bigger, stronger arms than mine. :)
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2017, 10:30:22 PM »

@InternalTraining I've found the best way to avoid fatigue is to simply not play a long innings... :-[
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2017, 10:43:43 PM »

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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2017, 11:20:45 PM »

@BatGoonMcClintock , the Aldred looks amazing! They are excellent bats; I have a G1 butterfly and Paul did a great job with the bat. I would suggest you try out your 2-15 bat for extended nets and see how it feels. Heavy bat pick up light but over a long inning, they begin to weigh arms down. That is my experience. You may have bigger, stronger arms than mine. :)

@InternalTraining It certainly seems so, the grains are straight and evenly spaced, two butterfly stains in the playing area, not the world's worst pick up for such a heavy bat, infact, I can feel no difference in the vertical bat swing and speed though I know I'm swinging something heavier - horizontal bat shots remain to be tested in the nets.  My net sessions are an hour on the bowling machine, so if that doesn't tire me out and doesn't affect my batting shape, timing and technique, then I reckon I've got a winner.  I reckon if I face 100 deliveries in a game before getting tired, I'd have done alright!
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 02:51:32 AM »

You cannot go wrong with Finish & Ping of Aldred bats. I am not a believer of his light pickup theory to push his heavy bats.
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2017, 06:08:10 AM »

You may not have posted enough to be able to view the 'For Sale' thread. It's going for 70.

Ah I see, I did wonder why I couldn't find it. That's a shame, his bats look nice.
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Re: Monster Aldred Butterfly and Red Ink - 2 more for the collection
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2017, 07:40:47 AM »

I am not a believer of his light pickup theory to push his heavy bats.
I am. My Supreme has quite a high middle and a duckbill and it does pickup well. I find cross batted shots easy and it's performance is rivalled only by my Red Ink.
I don't think he pushes heavy bats as such. I think he suggests ignoring dead weight and going by feel. It was a revelation for me and I haven't looked back since.
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