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Title: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: six and out on January 13, 2018, 08:50:37 AM
The ODI 5 match series kicks off tomorrow.... how does everyone think we will do? Surely we will do better than the tests!

What do you think the team will be? Root is fit and Morgan has said all 3 openers could play some part.

Squads below....

England (from): J Bairstow, J Roy, A Hales, J Root, E Morgan (c), J Buttler (wkt) M Ali, C Woakes, A Rashid, L Plunkett, M Wood, S Billings, J Ball, T Curran, D Malan, D Willey.

Australia (from): S Smith (c), P Cummins, A Finch, T Head, M Marsh, T Paine (wkt), J Richardson, M Starc, M Stoinis, A Tye, D Warner, C White, A Zampa.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 13, 2018, 09:06:57 AM
Not sure the logic about recalling white? Yes heís in BBL form but selecting someone that old
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: six and out on January 13, 2018, 09:28:24 AM
Not sure the logic about recalling white? Yes heís in BBL form but selecting someone that old

I think Maxwell must have robbed Smith's nan or something  :o
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: cricketbadger on January 13, 2018, 10:35:46 AM
Not sure the logic about recalling white? Yes heís in BBL form but selecting someone that old

What does it matter his age? Replacing someone who's injured isn't he so not as if he's picked as a long term option, picking a man who's in good form makes perfect sense. England could take a leaf out of the aussies book and do similar when required
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 13, 2018, 10:59:48 AM
Again, we're going to see how much Stokes balances England sides. 
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 13, 2018, 11:13:51 AM
What does it matter his age? Replacing someone who's injured isn't he so not as if he's picked as a long term option, picking a man who's in good form makes perfect sense. England could take a leaf out of the aussies book and do similar when required

The irony that white has been in form for years and years and was never selected. Various others were selected ahead of him time and time again.

As far as England selectors go - they all need to be sacked. Too much favouritism towards certain counties. Then again NSW bias also happens in the Aussie side
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: cricketbadger on January 13, 2018, 11:43:41 AM
Spot on agree with that.

White even had a moan about the selection policy last year, and now they've picked him again. From a few guys I knew that have played with and against him, he can be a bit of a (No Swearing Please) apparently

So many of our English County lads not getting a gig, wasting their form and ability. Be interesting to see if we pick up a few injuries to top order batsmen, will Denly get the call as he's over in BB
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 13, 2018, 11:51:14 AM
England to win 4-1

I agree that age is irrelevant in Whites case, get your best team on the field
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 14, 2018, 05:56:52 AM
Mo Ali has bowled much better in this game he has a quicker pace for one dayers and much straighter


And a bit of pace from our bowlers too in wood and plunkett  :)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Number4 on January 14, 2018, 07:31:59 AM
The irony that white has been in form for years and years and was never selected. Various others were selected ahead of him time and time again.

As far as England selectors go - they all need to be sacked. Too much favouritism towards certain counties. Then again NSW bias also happens in the Aussie side

Not sure how you figure that in this side.

Which one is in the side because of favouritism? Warner, Smith, Starc or Cummins?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 14, 2018, 07:51:26 AM
This is a great start
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: SwingAndMiss on January 14, 2018, 07:57:45 AM
I do enjoy a bit of Jason Roy when he's on one!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 14, 2018, 08:14:48 AM
He is great to watch really pleased he is back in the side
Poor shots from Bairstow and the goon hales hope that does not cost us

When Roy bats like this he looks a five or six in the test side
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 14, 2018, 09:25:16 AM
Saved by a review and hits the next ball for 6. Aussie commentators making me laugh, middled it for 6 but they claiming itís a mishit
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 14, 2018, 09:34:37 AM
Looked well outside he line too more poor umpiring in world cricket

Well batted Jason Roy!!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 14, 2018, 10:28:32 AM
Roy breaks alex hales highest score for England! Well batted!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: raza147 on January 14, 2018, 10:37:15 AM
fantastic knock from roy, root solid as always
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 14, 2018, 10:39:19 AM
Royís deserved a bit of luck, would say hales 172 was a lot better. On another day Roy couldíve been out 5/6 times.

Good effort nonetheless
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 14, 2018, 10:42:48 AM
Out for 180
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 14, 2018, 11:15:46 AM
One in the bag for England, few cheap wickets makes it look closer than it was in reality. Joe Root never had to leave 2nd gear

Impressed with Tye, that change up doesn't look easy to spot/get away
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: liscon12 on January 14, 2018, 11:30:41 AM
One in the bag for England, few cheap wickets makes it look closer than it was in reality. Joe Root never had to leave 2nd gear

Impressed with Tye, that change up doesn't look easy to spot/get away
KP was slating him on commentary, saying 'is he good enough' and that his deliveries are less effective in the 50 over game because batsman don't have to hit everything for 4 or 6.

Christ give the man a break KP he's only just startedQ
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 14, 2018, 11:40:37 AM
KP was slating him on commentary, saying 'is he good enough' and that his deliveries are less effective in the 50 over game because batsman don't have to hit everything for 4 or 6.

Christ give the man a break KP he's only just startedQ

That might reduce his strike rate if batsmen play him sensibly but his economy was still good. Decent option for the Australian squad I reckon!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 14, 2018, 11:59:19 AM
Silly shot from Buttler with 12 balls left and four runs wanted.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 14, 2018, 12:12:05 PM
Silly shot from Buttler with 12 balls left and four runs wanted.

Correct shot to play thou...just needed to play it better. he got 2 at pace right onto the gloves, keep doing that and a finger will break.

He took the shot on which is better than standing there like a target. England play this way now, full on attack.

Root is probably the only one who will bat at less than a run a ball, I though he batted superb today
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 14, 2018, 12:33:59 PM
Root was class today. Donít think he played a single false shot all innings.

Shame he didnít have the same mentality & calmness in the test series, hope he takes this mentality into all his Cricket moving forward as he looks immovable when batting this way.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 14, 2018, 12:34:37 PM
Root was class today. Donít think he played a single false shot all innings.

Shame he didnít have the same mentality & calmness in the test series, hope he takes this mentality into all his Cricket moving forward as he looks immovable when batting this way.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Number4 on January 14, 2018, 01:14:48 PM
Silly shot from Buttler with 12 balls left and four runs wanted.

And then Ali tried to hit the cover off the ball. Brain fart as usual
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Shinpathy on January 14, 2018, 09:27:24 PM
Andrew Tye like the string of other useless selections previously like Boland, Worall will be found out in international cricket.
Agree completely with KP.
Even in international t20s he was stripped apart.

BBL making bowlers like him look better than they are, and also leg spinners.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 14, 2018, 09:41:32 PM
That is the danger with domestic slog fest's. No idea why anyone would go for Tye - a T20 specialist - over blooding Behrendorff.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 19, 2018, 05:57:18 AM
Good crowd at the Gabba today ignoring the casual racism towards Englands spinners

Finch has looked good without really going hard, the wickets of Smith and Head made him reign himself in a little when he was just starting to be more aggressive. Very good knock for the team

Last 10 overs could be interesting here
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 19, 2018, 06:12:00 AM
As I say that Marsh and Finch have gone trying to push it along, Aus will do well to get 300 now
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: sgcricket on January 19, 2018, 06:19:56 AM
England play the most exciting brand of ODI cricket. And have been doing so for the last 2 or so years. Great to see for neutrals. Hope they can do a whitewash in the ODIs
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 19, 2018, 07:06:27 AM
Would have to say at the halfway stage that Australia are 50 short but you never know

Big plus for Australia was Carey, looked completely at ease and played some lovely shots - was slightly unlucky to be run out, good work from Woakes.  You wont see it on tv but alot of his singles should have been 2s but Cameron White turned him back. His intent to score was impressive. If he keeps well could possibly put pressure on Paine across the formats 
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 19, 2018, 08:21:47 AM
We're good at this ODI stuff
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 19, 2018, 08:43:10 AM
This really is a doddle when you've player like Finch bowling stuff going down leg and a piefest from Starc
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 19, 2018, 09:40:08 AM
Morgan plays on through the gate Root batting within himself  long tail for England at this stage   Buttler  needs to stay in with Joe and. See off Starc
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 19, 2018, 10:16:46 AM
Buttler out good ball from Starc  baill held up then moved away
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 19, 2018, 10:18:22 AM
What a ball that was to Ali!!

Starc is class!!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: adampai on January 19, 2018, 10:18:47 AM
not much moeen can do about that one. Beauty from Starc
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 19, 2018, 10:21:27 AM
Yes it looked quick  and reversed door open for Australia
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 19, 2018, 10:26:38 AM
Feel that Australia are a bowler short here. If they had another specialist seamer could really be a tight finish
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 19, 2018, 10:30:30 AM
See Woakes is playing for his average as usual, pumping the quicks into the stands  ;)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 19, 2018, 10:44:06 AM
See Woakes is playing for his average as usual, pumping the quicks into the stands  ;)

Have to say Woakes has batted very well especially after 2 quick wickets from Starc

Starc and Richardson impressive, aussie backup bowlers really not up to scratch
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 19, 2018, 10:45:47 AM
Feel that Australia are a bowler short here. If they had another specialist seamer could really be a tight finish

Spot on easy for England once Starc bowled out reckon  Australia    need to  play  two of there top four bowlers
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 19, 2018, 10:50:39 AM
Breaking news

Chris Woakes had just won a game for England playing against "a top side" Australia
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 19, 2018, 10:53:51 AM
Breaking news

Chris Woakes had just won a game for England playing against "a top side" Australia

In other news seniorplayer still doesnít admit woakes is good at cricket!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 19, 2018, 11:12:40 AM
In other news seniorplayer still doesnít admit woakes is good at cricket!

Like it not good at test cricket
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Rob580 on January 19, 2018, 11:38:27 AM
In other news seniorplayer still doesnít admit woakes is good at cricket!

Great footballer though, what a finish! Maybe we can all agree on that?  :D
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 19, 2018, 11:46:21 AM
Breaking news

Chris Woakes had just won a game for England playing against "a top side" Australia

Woakes contributed with bat and ball against a mediocre XI. But your point is valid, he is more than worth his spot in this one day team

The truth of the matter now for England is that they are a very strong unit, and with Stokes/Billings/Willey etc competing for spots the next few years looks bright in one day cricket.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: petehosk on January 19, 2018, 12:14:24 PM
And lets not forget that there is a certain destructive (in more than 1 way!!) world class all-rounder to slot back in too!
The big question is, when Stokes comes back in, who loses their place in the starting XI!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: justnotcricket86 on January 19, 2018, 12:25:12 PM
And lets not forget that there is a certain destructive (in more than 1 way!!) world class all-rounder to slot back in too!
The big question is, when Stokes comes back in, who loses their place in the starting XI!

At the rate he's going, Mo
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Johnny on January 19, 2018, 09:03:51 PM
Had this conversation today. Our prediction was that they'll shaft Bairstow again
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Mattsky on January 19, 2018, 09:07:53 PM
It'll be Woakes.
Bairstow could be picked just on his batting.
Woakes wouldn't be picked just for his batting or bowling.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Buzz on January 19, 2018, 09:17:06 PM
It'll be Woakes.
Bairstow could be picked just on his batting.
Woakes wouldn't be picked just for his batting or bowling.
The selectors are investing in woakes to replace Anderson.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 19, 2018, 09:17:55 PM
Yes unlikely to be Bairstow he would not be a like for like replacement. I guess they would look at Mo if Root can bowl a few more overs and Woakes. If you are looking just at performance thou alone and no other role Morgan might be looked at, but we won't bin the captain.

The ashes tour had a lot of problems for Root to deal with but in these two matches he has showed his class.

Of all the good players we have to me he looks a different class from anyone else
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on January 19, 2018, 09:32:03 PM
Good for team England! Their amazing talent is shinning through! :D
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 19, 2018, 09:44:44 PM
It'll be Woakes.
Bairstow could be picked just on his batting.
Woakes wouldn't be picked just for his batting or bowling.

Out of sheer interest.. whatís woakes vs stokes batting and bowling avgís ??
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Tailendfielder on January 19, 2018, 09:58:58 PM
No chance it will be woakes. As adie is hinting, stokes is a great player but not convinced his the complete allrounder that could be selected as batter or bowler alone.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 19, 2018, 10:00:52 PM
My 2p is that Morgan is the only player who could be dropped but heís skipper. Itíll be Rashid who will pay the price imo

Moeen bowled well enough and bats which for white ball is what you want. Woakes again bowls well and bats well.

Nice to have a format England are good at
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: NT50 on January 19, 2018, 10:03:32 PM
Nice to know we're winning the proper ashes, after losing 4-0 in the Christmas warm-up 5 day games.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 19, 2018, 10:22:33 PM
The selectors are investing in woakes to replace Anderson.
Yes but when your investment  continually fails to  pay dividends you invest elsewhere
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 19, 2018, 10:33:37 PM
My 2p is that Morgan is the only player who could be dropped but heís skipper. Itíll be Rashid who will pay the price imo

Moeen bowled well enough and bats which for white ball is what you want. Woakes again bowls well and bats well.

Nice to have a format England are good at

I would have Morgan in the side simply as skipper. He could bat 11 and still be worth his place in the side.

Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 19, 2018, 10:34:09 PM
Yes but when your investment  continually fails to  pay dividends you invest elsewhere

Honestly, who else is there?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 19, 2018, 11:06:27 PM
Anderson has not played one day cricket for ages slightly off kilter here, def think Woakes will replace Anderson but it's the test side not one dayers....as good as a Jimmy is his one day record is poor and won't get a recall.

The different views on a Woakes in the test team slightly depends on whether you think he is one of the best seamers available.He is also a good bat and a crack fielder...all in all a good cricketer, in the test team he gets in my 11 all day long.

Of the test seamers we have, if you work out who is the best you might find its a short list

Anderson miles ahead of anyone
Broad
Woakes.

Broad had a poor tour, Woakes also a below standard Ashes(senior is right about that).

Then it's a bit of guesswork and unproven test bowlers(seamers)

Overton
Plunkett
Wood?
Curran?


So when Alvaro says 'who else' he has a point.  :)

In my opinion Woakes is one of the best 3 seam bowlers we have available to pick. he also is an allrounder, not Kallis I grant you-but he is one  :)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Mattsky on January 20, 2018, 12:08:07 AM
...and yet. Woakes is a like-for-like replacement for Stokes. And not quite as good as Stokes in either department. Yet.
However, if they're not too fussed about what Rashid brings to the table, then they could conceivably retain Woakes - so it could be Rashid, depending on the wicket.
I can't see them dropping Mo. They'll stick with him and hope he plays himself back into form. If they dropped him, Root would then be England's front-line offie! And that would mean having to retain Rashid - and therefore Woakes would probably be dropped by default as a result!
I do like what Woakes offers, though. And he's relatively young. Nice to have the dilemma, really.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 20, 2018, 12:47:23 AM
Simple to see who Stokes replaces, just look back in time - it's Hales, Bairstow or Roy. I'd drop Bairstow personally.
Stokes bats 5 and bowls as required, Woakes opens the bowling and bats 8/9, I fail to see how they're competing for the same spot?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Buzz on January 20, 2018, 07:22:36 AM
The reality is that Root will be rested at some point when stokes comes back. Then Moeen or one of the other all format players.
I wouldn't overly worry about this. As to 2019 world cup, whomever is in the best form will play. Why split hairs about a luxury.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: six and out on January 20, 2018, 07:38:32 AM
The reality is that Root will be rested at some point when stokes comes back. Then Moeen or one of the other all format players.
I wouldn't overly worry about this. As to 2019 world cup, whomever is in the best form will play. Why split hairs about a luxury.

Exactly this.... they will simply rotate by resting the all format players and then worry about selecting a side at the 2019 WC.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 20, 2018, 10:03:37 AM
No chance it will be woakes. As adie is hinting, stokes is a great player but not convinced his the complete allrounder that could be selected as batter or bowler alone.

Stokes not the complete  allrounder read this when I came out the pub thought I was drunk.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 20, 2018, 10:13:19 AM
Anyone got the stats ?

Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 20, 2018, 10:34:44 AM
Think stokes white ball bowling stats are pretty poor. Averages 38 with the ball at an economy of 6+
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: springbok45 on January 20, 2018, 10:39:27 AM
Anyone got the stats ?
All from cricinfo career odi stats.

Batting Stokes' 35, Woakes 26, Mo 29, Rash 23, Root 51
Bowling Stokes' 38, Woakes 31, Mo 50, Rash 32, Root 52
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 20, 2018, 11:11:45 AM
All from cricinfo career odi stats.

Batting Stokes' 35, Woakes 26, Mo 29, Rash 23, Root 51
Bowling Stokes' 38, Woakes 31, Mo 50, Rash 32, Root 52

Take your pick, horses for courses
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 20, 2018, 11:20:29 AM
Stokes walks in any ODI team in the world. Root would most probably aswell. The other 3 wouldn't

In any case England are lucky to have all 5 available to them

Stokes not the complete  allrounder read this when I came out the pub thought I was drunk.

I agree, can win a game with bat or ball and is Englands best fielder. If he's not a complete allrounder then England have never had one


Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 20, 2018, 11:36:53 AM
All from cricinfo career odi stats.

Batting Stokes' 35, Woakes 26, Mo 29, Rash 23, Root 51
Bowling Stokes' 38, Woakes 31, Mo 50, Rash 32, Root 52

Woakes ODI batting  ave  boosted by  17 not out outs from 50 innings
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Byo on January 20, 2018, 11:47:01 AM
Woakes ODI batting  ave  boosted by  17 not out outs from 50 innings
Which may show he's good at the end of the innings as per the last game.

Stokes walks into the side and Woakes is best bowler of those listed so probably should also get in unless playing on a turning wicket. Moeen for me misses out most of the time, not good enough in either department and his fielding doesn't fill me with confidence.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 20, 2018, 12:48:59 PM
Simple to see who Stokes replaces, just look back in time - it's Hales, Bairstow or Roy. I'd drop Bairstow personally.
Stokes bats 5 and bowls as required, Woakes opens the bowling and bats 8/9, I fail to see how they're competing for the same spot?

Don't see stokes replacing any of those top 4 with Root batting around them they have shown they can score the runs to take the game away from the opposition regardless of who the English bowlers are.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 20, 2018, 12:55:17 PM
Woakes ODI batting  ave  boosted by  17 not out outs from 50 innings

Yeah, like those unbeaten knocks where he takes England to victory... Bloody match winning red ink to boost his average!!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 20, 2018, 12:58:40 PM
Historically, they have played six bowlers so you would assume one of the batsmen misses out - Hales is the guy brought in so you'd assume he would be the one to miss out.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: springbok45 on January 20, 2018, 01:18:27 PM
Or should they make him wait till someone is injured or form dip, it is his fault his place is otherwise engaged currently.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 20, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
Woakes ODI batting  ave  boosted by  17 not out outs from 50 innings
That is how averages work... in other shock news, Ali Cook's test run tally boosted by him scoring loads of hundreds.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 20, 2018, 01:49:33 PM
That is how averages work... in other shock news, Ali Cook's test run tally boosted by him scoring loads of hundreds.

Yes  in test matches against the best of the best at the top of the order.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: cricketbadger on January 20, 2018, 02:18:35 PM
Has Woakes shagged your Mrs or something?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Byo on January 20, 2018, 03:12:17 PM
Has Woakes shagged your Mrs or something?
He'd probably do that wrong as well according to senior!!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Buzz on January 20, 2018, 05:15:01 PM
Woakes ODI batting  ave  boosted by  17 not out outs from 50 innings

Average also hurt by slogging and giving it away at the death. Perks of the job.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: NT50 on January 20, 2018, 05:47:43 PM
Average also hurt by slogging and giving it away at the death. Perks of the job.

Shhh don't present logic and facts to him!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 20, 2018, 07:39:35 PM
Shhh don't present logic and facts to him!

But it's  neither  is it
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 20, 2018, 08:04:50 PM
Average also hurt by slogging and giving it away at the death. Perks of the job.

Bit harsh to say he slogs
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: stamper on January 20, 2018, 09:29:47 PM
We need players who will be able to put in consistently good performances mixed in with some excellent ones. Anderson is an example. Woakes is more consistently average with some good and very occasional excellent at this stage.  He's young and talented so it's possible to raise the level across the board. As long as the technical coaching wizzes don't leave his brain in meltdown like Finn.

What about Roland-Jones once fit?  David Willey?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Tailendfielder on January 20, 2018, 09:56:12 PM
I think its such a shame Finn isnt half way through a world class career. The coaches have realy let him down. Graeme Smith hasnt helped. I think he made would have made a big difference in the Ashes.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 20, 2018, 10:24:09 PM
I think its such a shame Finn isnt half way through a world class career. The coaches have realy let him down. Graeme Smith hasnt helped. I think he made would have made a big difference in the Ashes.

He was selected on the tour so England may or may not of played him if he was fit. He must be ahead of the likes of Curran who is talented but just a medium pacer .

It's a big season for Finn this year, he needs to get back in contention.

And the coaches in the first part of his career yes totally agree, but I know for sure he has recently worked with Richard Johnson and a bit with Fraser himself and it's these two ex players,one coach one good test  bowler, that have got him back on track.

Finn actually owes quite a lot to Johnson....

But in the first place yes, England took a 90 mph bowler, changed his approach and made him a medium pacer.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 21, 2018, 07:05:58 AM
Dunno who else is up watching this early but Jos butler has got us a score with some amazing shots

And a good contribution from forum favourite CW.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Kulli on January 21, 2018, 07:16:48 AM
Another selfish average boosting not out for Woakes!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 21, 2018, 07:19:54 AM
Class from Buttler & Woakes.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 21, 2018, 07:30:27 AM
Woakes ODI batting  ave  boosted by  17 not out outs from 50 innings
You do realise the idea is not to get out in ODI cricket?
Michael Bevan must have been bobbins by your rationale.

Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 21, 2018, 07:31:55 AM
You do realise the idea is not to get out in ODI cricket?
Michael Bevan must have been bobbins by your rationale.

Tbf the idea is runs and not care about your wicket overly in white ball format.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 21, 2018, 07:45:48 AM
Absolutely brilliant from Buttler and Woakes, from a difficult match situation and against Australias 1st choice bowlers. No wonder the likes of Roy and Hales have the confidence to go hard with the strength England have down the order.

This total isn't out of Australias reach by any means but is significantly better than the 230-240 Turncoat Nicholas was predicting on commentary

Tbf the idea is runs and not care about your wicket overly in white ball format.

You wont score many runs in the pavillion
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 21, 2018, 07:49:19 AM
I think I'm right years back England had shared keeping duties for a while. I can't help thinking Butler is that good maybe that could of been done in test and one day cricket because there been no one who can't think Bairstow has not  been good enough on batting alone for the last 2-3 years

Just watching Butler bat it beggars belief we could not of done more for red ball cricket. It's not as if we have such a good keeper the gulf in the two players is that big.

I dunno, seems a shame to me...
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 21, 2018, 07:52:36 AM
Wicket for the red ink specialist!!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 21, 2018, 07:56:13 AM
I think I'm right years back England had shared keeping duties for a while. I can't help thinking Butler is that good maybe that could of been done in test and one day cricket because there been no one who can't think Bairstow has not  been good enough on batting alone for the last 2-3 years

Just watching Butler bat it beggars belief we could not of done more for red ball cricket. It's not as if we have such a good keeper the gulf in the two players is that big.

I dunno, seems a shame to me...

You e seen buttler bat when the ball isnt gun barrel straight or a road right ? If so, thatís why heís not a test cricketer.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 21, 2018, 08:02:31 AM
Buttler's an utter freak, sadly it's hard to see him getting into the test team now though as he just doesn't play red ball cricket, how will he improve those parts of his game.

Typical BT, lots of replays of Woakes bowling a really good cutter to get Warner and instead of any attempt at analysis we get Michael Clarke telling us how much of a great captain Smith is because he's decided to bat 4 this game...
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Buzz on January 21, 2018, 08:35:29 AM
Watch out for Smith getting in a ball tampering row next after seemingly applying lip balm/sun cream to the ball...
(Note it made 0 difference thanks to Woakes' not out 50)

Check out @saadsiddiquiís Tweet: https://twitter.com/saadsiddiqui/status/954959958906425344?s=09
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 21, 2018, 08:42:21 AM
Plunkett going off is not ideal, Root's gonna have to bowl a few. Does Roy still send the medium pace down for Surrey?

edit: hahaha @ Smith, funny how the Australians aren't broadcasting that one!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Northern monkey on January 21, 2018, 09:01:59 AM
Probably get shot down for this

Hales is a total goon

Really like rashid, tries his heart out

And Morgan is a superstar captain, the buzz he generates around the team
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 21, 2018, 09:50:12 AM
England's best ODI bowler to take no further part in the match hamstring injury.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 21, 2018, 09:52:38 AM
Tbf the idea is runs and not care about your wicket overly in white ball format.

Or to finish off games. When you bat 8 that many NOs is good.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 21, 2018, 09:53:07 AM
Really don't understand that; from the video there the ball has clearly hit the grass
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 21, 2018, 09:53:52 AM
Great catch by Buttler to dismiss Smith.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 21, 2018, 09:55:23 AM
Or to finish off games. When you bat 8 that many NOs is good.
Good For your average but
Not when your team  you lose Matches.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 21, 2018, 09:57:34 AM
Really don't understand that; from the video there the ball has clearly hit the grass
Meh, there wasn't a shot of it hitting the floor was there. Don't think it would have been given out if just reviewed, too much doubt, but no way you could overrule the umpire based on that footage. Needed the side on shot. Smith booking himself in for a second sitting with the match referee on his way off!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 21, 2018, 09:58:27 AM
Not when you lose Matches.
and how have England been doing in ODIs lately?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 21, 2018, 09:59:12 AM
Or to finish off games. When you bat 8 that many NOs is good.

Not sure I was arguing with you about being good or bad but ok.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 21, 2018, 10:00:36 AM
Definitley hit the floor that. Love the contrasting views from both sets of commentators.
Swanny claiming kp might as well be Aussie - bitter swanny
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 21, 2018, 10:05:23 AM
Definitley hit the floor that. Love the contrasting views from both sets of commentators.
Swanny claiming kp might as well be Aussie - bitter swanny

Sadly, as a good a spinner as Swann was for England.. he was part of the toxic dressing room that caused so many issues. People do seem to have forgot that
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Andythomo21 on January 21, 2018, 10:06:23 AM
I didnít see a clear shot of the ball hitting the grass?

From the footage he has, the 3rd umpire made the correct decision as he couldnít overturn the onfield call.

Poor old Smith looks like heís been so hard done to! Despite slow motion replays not been able to give a conclusive answer, he looks like it was clearly ďNot OutĒ!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 21, 2018, 10:07:20 AM
and how have England been doing in ODIs lately?

Not the point different completely different discussion.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: cricketbadger on January 21, 2018, 10:14:07 AM
Nah it's just out. He's got it before it's hit the ground, Smith even started walking. Always looks worse slowed down on replays but as a keeper you just know
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Kulli on January 21, 2018, 10:21:09 AM
Not the point different completely different discussion.
You said Woakes average was inflated by not outs, and when prompted said that was a bad thing when losing games.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 21, 2018, 10:21:50 AM
Not sure I was arguing with you about being good or bad but ok.


Iím not arguing with you. Just adding to your point.

@Seniorplayer You must be right. This no really boosted Woakesís average;
England 6-80 chasing 286

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8484/scorecard/913623/england-vs-sri-lanka-1st-odi-sri-lanka-tour-of-england-and-ireland-2016/ (http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8484/scorecard/913623/england-vs-sri-lanka-1st-odi-sri-lanka-tour-of-england-and-ireland-2016/)

Do you have anything to corroborate your absolute statements?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 21, 2018, 10:26:18 AM
Sadly, as a good a spinner as Swann was for England.. he was part of the toxic dressing room that caused so many issues. People do seem to have forgot that

He was good, very very good. From the outside I've no doubt Swann Anderson, broad become very powerful as did KP, perhaps it was a clash of egos there. From what I have read it was flower and prior that KP really hated thou.
the truth will out one day.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 21, 2018, 10:27:28 AM
Bit more average burnishing here in a series decider

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10713/scorecard/1029823/bangladesh-vs-england-3rd-odi-england-tour-of-bdesh-2016-17/ (http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10713/scorecard/1029823/bangladesh-vs-england-3rd-odi-england-tour-of-bdesh-2016-17/)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: petehosk on January 21, 2018, 10:41:38 AM
Win or lose, whatever happens, its nice to have a really close game which could go either way!  :o
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 21, 2018, 10:47:11 AM
A reminder that Australia didn't decide to pick a bloke because he doesn't 'train smart'
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: petehosk on January 21, 2018, 10:51:52 AM
Stoinis could still pull this off.
But it is down to the wire!!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 21, 2018, 10:52:39 AM
2 overs from woakes - here we go
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 21, 2018, 10:57:21 AM
Win or lose from here Morgan has managed things brilliantly following Plunketts injury

If one of Australias seamers had pulled up early I think they'd be chasing 350
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 21, 2018, 10:59:05 AM
Wood Rashid and Woakes have all bowled pretty well at the end. I'm sure the Aussies cannot read Rashid.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on January 21, 2018, 11:04:37 AM
Woakes. What a guy!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 21, 2018, 11:05:40 AM
Woakes is getting wickets here just to keep his bowling average down. Don't be fooled !
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 21, 2018, 11:06:32 AM
Arise Sir Woakes!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 21, 2018, 11:07:57 AM
Do Australia count as a top side? That's the 2nd game in a row Woakes has won for England against them.

He did it with the bat in the last game and with the ball today! He's a proper all rounder for England, isn't he!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 21, 2018, 11:08:46 AM
Still feels weird to say our ODI side is one made up of some incredible quality
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 21, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
T Paine probably cost his side the game at the end. 31 off 35 at death is not good enough. They had a few sloggers left
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Byo on January 21, 2018, 11:11:19 AM
Woakes having yet another shocker by playing a massive part in winning the game. He really is rubbish at this, selfishly getting wickets and runs to improve his average.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 21, 2018, 11:13:40 AM
T Paine probably cost his side the game at the end. 31 off 35 at death is not good enough. They had a few sloggers left

Better strike rate than Steve Smith who is 2nd only to Bradman according to the Australian press

To keep up with England at the death was an unrealistic demand with the players Australia have. They lost the game in the middle overs when Smith and Marsh were content taking the spinners for 5s without any intent to score boundaries
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 21, 2018, 11:15:04 AM
Woakes having yet another shocker by playing a massive part in winning the game. He really is rubbish at this, selfishly getting wickets and runs to improve his average.

That unbeaten 50 at a strike rate of 140 in the first innings, he was only playing for his average!

Don't forget wickets at the death don't count because the batsmen have to play stupid shots when they need 23 off an over...
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 21, 2018, 11:18:46 AM
That unbeaten 50 at a strike rate of 140 in the first innings, he was only playing for his average!

Don't forget wickets at the death don't count because the batsmen have to play stupid shots when they need 23 off an over...

Well the  batsman at 23 an over are under pressure....
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 21, 2018, 11:20:27 AM
Well the  batsman at 23 an over are under pressure....

Do you not think his part in the partnership with buttler allowed them to force the Aussies into a corner?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: six and out on January 21, 2018, 11:22:59 AM
Don't think you can underestimate how good Morgan's captaincy was in that game. One of your main bowlers down after only going in with 3 seamers and 5 main bowlers in the 1st place.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 21, 2018, 11:30:30 AM
It is quite enjoyable watching Australia try and go about ODI batting the same way England were doing in about 2013. At least we used to win at home! :D
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 21, 2018, 11:43:00 AM
Better strike rate than Steve Smith who is 2nd only to Bradman according to the Australian press

To keep up with England at the death was an unrealistic demand with the players Australia have. They lost the game in the middle overs when Smith and Marsh were content taking the spinners for 5s without any intent to score boundaries

Smith showed our Lads up in the ashes. The fact heís not a hitter like we have jut shows heís not as good at white ball. To start crowing at Smith when heís just torn us apart is a bit rich. After all, this isnít test cricket so the fact theyíve lost a few one dayers wonít bother them overly
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 21, 2018, 11:51:20 AM
Smith showed our Lads up in the ashes. The fact heís not a hitter like we have jut shows heís not as good at white ball. To start crowing at Smith when heís just torn us apart is a bit rich. After all, this isnít test cricket so the fact theyíve lost a few one dayers wonít bother them overly

This is one day cricket - Test cricket is irrelevant. Theres a thread for the Test series if you want discuss that I will be more than happy to agree that Smith is a brilliant test player

Stop beating the same very dull drum
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 21, 2018, 11:55:51 AM
Do you not think his part in the partnership with buttler allowed them to force the Aussies into a corner?

I think   batting and bowling well in a couple of ODIs doesn't make you a test match player.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 21, 2018, 11:57:54 AM
I think   batting and bowling well in a couple of ODIs doesn't make you a test match player.

Again - two very different formats. Even you must find it hard to deny that Woakes is a very good ODI player for England?

Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: horseman on January 21, 2018, 11:59:12 AM
@Seniorplayer , Are you Ben Stokes Defence Solicitor?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 21, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
This is one day cricket - Test cricket is irrelevant. Theres a thread for the Test series if you want discuss that I will be more than happy to agree that Smith is a brilliant test player

Stop beating the same very dull drum

Donít slate someone who has just torn England apart then. Itís also very dull when suddenly every white ball hitter is apparently test class after a random innings.

It is a totally different format with completely different skill sets. Smith as a one day player is a different beast to smith the test player. Same as the rest of both sides
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 21, 2018, 12:17:04 PM
Donít slate someone who has just torn England apart then. Itís also very dull when suddenly every white ball hitter is apparently test class after a random innings.

It is a totally different format with completely different skill sets. Smith as a one day player is a different beast to smith the test player. Same as the rest of both sides

I haven't 'slated' anyone. I commentated that in this game his strike rate was lower than Tim Paines - which is correct. If you watch the post-match interview Smith himself said that it was good for the team that the umpires gave him out because he was slowing the team down. Not sure why you feel the need to fight his corner

And he hasn't torn England apart in this one day series (thread title) he's been fairly average throughout

Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on January 21, 2018, 12:20:54 PM
Is this not the odi? Thread.

Why do people. Keep banging on about test matches in it?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 21, 2018, 12:23:07 PM
Couldn't agree more
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 21, 2018, 12:39:50 PM
Well the  batsman at 23 an over are under pressure....

Carlos Brathwaite called to check you remembered his name...
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 21, 2018, 01:44:22 PM
@Seniorplayer , Are you Ben Stokes Defence Solicitor?

No  retired  not been  involved  In  british employment law For a few years now.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on January 21, 2018, 07:16:34 PM
Must say after watching England get the (No Swearing Please) spanked in test cricket for 6 weeks, itís great to see the Aussie team getting a hiding in there own conditions and would love to see us white wash them in this ODI series.
Amazing transformation in our white ball cricket over the past few years
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 21, 2018, 07:26:10 PM
Amen to that. The captain and both coaches deserve a lot of credit for the changes since 2015 WC

I know is is not the test thread but there is plenty of work to do in the longer format.
England seem to have less players than other Countries than can play both formats.

England have also been progressive with IPL availability, this may of helped our one day cricket as hales,Roy,root,billings,Morgan seem to have no barrier to playing IPL cricket. And Ben Stokes of course.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: NT50 on January 21, 2018, 07:31:39 PM
I think a whitewash would mean we actually win the Ashes 5-4.

I will hear no arguments against it.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 21, 2018, 07:35:53 PM
I think a whitewash would mean we actually win the Ashes 5-4.

I will hear no arguments against it.

With 4 points for a test win 2 for a test draw

The series was 18-2

2 points for each ODI and t20 win it would be

18-8 after this game if we win the last two odis that would make it 18-12

All comes down to the t20s! We would need to win 3 just to tie

 :(

I did however like the barmy army chanting weíre gonna win 5-4
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: NT50 on January 21, 2018, 07:37:17 PM
i'd say 10 points for an ODI on the basis that we're good at them  :D
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 21, 2018, 07:51:12 PM
Aussies penalised 10 points for ball tampering to.

Wonder if the press out there will man handle Smith like they tried to do with Faf at the airport.

That berk of a reporter trying to out muscle the south african bodyguard at the airport easily the funniest thing I saw on you tube last year.

 :)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 21, 2018, 08:01:27 PM
So Plunko out injured, who comes in?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 21, 2018, 08:13:57 PM
Chris Woakesís brother
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 21, 2018, 08:17:23 PM
Chris Woakesí mother!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 21, 2018, 08:30:19 PM
Ball, Curran and Willey are the options, none of them being a close fit for Plunkett so hard to say.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 21, 2018, 08:30:20 PM
Iím assuming Currant or Willy? (Please not Ball)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 21, 2018, 08:55:34 PM
Iím assuming Currant or Willy? (Please not Ball)

I think weíd all take Willey over ball!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 21, 2018, 09:14:09 PM
I think weíd all take Willey over ball!

Apparently its going to be  Curran of ball
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 21, 2018, 09:34:47 PM
Apparently its going to be  Curran of ball

But that doesnít allow us to make innuendos regarding the selections
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: petehosk on January 21, 2018, 09:57:35 PM
But that doesnít allow us to make innuendos regarding the selections

We can still make innuendos such as:

Not surprised that they have chosen those options.
We all know it would take 2 Balls to match Willey!!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 25, 2018, 09:29:35 AM
Glenn Maxwell has finally learnt how to train smart!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 26, 2018, 06:20:32 AM
Wow 8-5!!
Not a bad recovery - woakes ;)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 26, 2018, 06:23:02 AM
Chris Woakes the 'brummie Botham' on BBC text.

I'm sayin nothin

Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Bwcc on January 26, 2018, 06:46:47 AM
Woakes is a useless cricketer
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 26, 2018, 06:48:46 AM
Typical Woakes, he'll have been delighted to be in early - great chance to boost his average. Probably only got out so that now he actually has an average for the series.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 26, 2018, 07:15:12 AM
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Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 26, 2018, 07:27:10 AM
So, if it was a WC... this would be England out ?

It seems this team really canít play unless itís a pancake. Englsnd curators better prepare pancakes for the WC or we are done for.

Top stuff by woakes (didnít realise he also avg 45 in tests in England) but root and Bairstow need to do better as they are the only bats equipped for non pancakes and they gave it away.

Still... Aus are quite capable of collapsing too so live in hope
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 26, 2018, 07:39:52 AM
So, if it was a WC... this would be England out ?

It seems this team really canít play unless itís a pancake. Englsnd curators better prepare pancakes for the WC or we are done for.

Top stuff by woakes (didnít realise he also avg 45 in tests in England) but root and Bairstow need to do better as they are the only bats equipped for non pancakes and they gave it away.

Still... Aus are quite capable of collapsing too so live in hope

not totally sure but the champions trophy here last year pitches were overseen by the ICC, so that means the ECB can't deceide what pitches are like. we were knocked out on a worn pitch against Pakistan which was low and slow.

Pretty sure the WC next year will be the same. So England cannot prepare pitches to suit themselves.

Which begs the question if the WC was in Bangladesh, would we be playing on 'home' pitches or tracks to accomodate England/New Zealand/Ireland etc

Stand to be corrected but the ICC champions trophy our groundsmen were told what to prepare.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 26, 2018, 08:22:49 AM
So, if it was a WC... this would be England out ?

It seems this team really canít play unless itís a pancake. Englsnd curators better prepare pancakes for the WC or we are done for.

Top stuff by woakes (didnít realise he also avg 45 in tests in England) but root and Bairstow need to do better as they are the only bats equipped for non pancakes and they gave it away.

Still... Aus are quite capable of collapsing too so live in hope

Quite - I yearn for the days we were capable of crawling to 220-4 on all surfaces

Hales, Roy and Buttler out for Cook, Atherton and Boycott
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Byo on January 26, 2018, 08:30:17 AM
Quite - I yearn for the days we were capable of crawling to 220-4 on all surfaces

Hales, Roy and Buttler out for Cook, Atherton and Boycott

Agreed this is a team playing without fear of getting out and as a result have improved beyond recognition.  God forbid we go back to the way we played a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Kulli on January 26, 2018, 08:39:15 AM
So, if it was a WC... this would be England out ?

It seems this team really canít play unless itís a pancake. Englsnd curators better prepare pancakes for the WC or we are done for.

Top stuff by woakes (didnít realise he also avg 45 in tests in England) but root and Bairstow need to do better as they are the only bats equipped for non pancakes and they gave it away.

Still... Aus are quite capable of collapsing too so live in hope

is that really the case, or is it just when your top orders gameplan is to attack and keep attacking regardless that occasionally you're going to get knocked over pretty cheaply.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 26, 2018, 08:39:56 AM
Chris Woakes the 'brummie Botham' on BBC text.

I'm sayin nothin

The brummie Botham ? a couple of decent ODI knocks  and the forum favourite  batting is more Don Bradman
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 26, 2018, 08:41:47 AM
The brummie Botham ? a couple of decent ODI knocks  and the forum favourite is the English  Don Bradman

Bradman couldn't bowl.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 26, 2018, 09:11:01 AM
Stand to be corrected but the ICC champions trophy our groundsmen were told what to prepare.

No correction necessary, for this is exactly accurate.  From what I recall, in the CT the instruction was to use two wickets that were as near as possible dead centre at each ground and let them mature (ie deteriorate) through the tournament, with only the final to be played on a fresh deck.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 26, 2018, 09:21:15 AM
I will laugh if we win this
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on January 26, 2018, 09:22:51 AM
England top rider were extremely poor.

But from 5 down, I'm not sure Smith captained well and let England bakc in it a tad.

They now aren't batting very well. I still believe aus will win this one, but they are showing how poor an odi side they re while doing it.

They don't seem to have huge confidence in this format.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 26, 2018, 09:26:30 AM
The door has opened for England.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 26, 2018, 09:33:37 AM
Really I pressed with how england look up for this! Although itís amazing really given how (according to an ex player) dead rubbers donít mean anything to players or anyone
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 26, 2018, 09:55:32 AM
Really I pressed with how england look up for this! Although itís amazing really given how (according to an ex player) dead rubbers donít mean anything to players or anyone

I think he has a point teams that have won  take  there foot off the  matches  though  provide an opportunity for players who have failed  not sure of there place.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 26, 2018, 10:05:27 AM
When on 96 Poor shot selection  from Travis Head  who had batted well.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 26, 2018, 10:15:08 AM
Followed by an unnecessary  run out with 13 runs wanted.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 26, 2018, 10:20:58 AM
Didnt know  that's only Australia's second ODI win  in the last 12 months.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 26, 2018, 10:47:46 AM
Australia are the new England!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 26, 2018, 02:52:56 PM
is that really the case, or is it just when your top orders gameplan is to attack and keep attacking regardless that occasionally you're going to get knocked over pretty cheaply.

True but if youíre relying on luck and keep pulling a SA and choke when it matters youíll rarely win a comp.. which at pro level is the whole point right ?

You donít need to change the players but they might need to be able to adapt ??? Or are we really happy with a team who can only play on roads ?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 26, 2018, 03:03:05 PM
I think he has a point teams that have won  take  there foot off the  matches  though  provide an opportunity for players who have failed  not sure of there place.

not sure i agree with this given what happened in the ashes and the fact englands only change in this game was because of injury.

we hardly rested our players for the first dead rubber (the top order rested themselves though)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Kulli on January 26, 2018, 03:16:27 PM
True but if youíre relying on luck and keep pulling a SA and choke when it matters youíll rarely win a comp.. which at pro level is the whole point right ?

You donít need to change the players but they might need to be able to adapt ??? Or are we really happy with a team who can only play on roads ?

Is it really so much to do with flat tracks? I think just the way the play now, looking for 350 for as long as possible then adjusting after if it's all going badly wrong, maybe they need to be more flexible earlier and better at analysing what a good score is, but they're still a far better and more consistent side than we have seen before.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 26, 2018, 03:27:49 PM
Is it really so much to do with flat tracks? I think just the way the play now, looking for 350 for as long as possible then adjusting after if it's all going badly wrong, maybe they need to be more flexible earlier and better at analysing what a good score is, but they're still a far better and more consistent side than we have seen before.

I tend to agree. The confidence in the current ODI side is unparalleled as well, can you imagine England getting near 200 after being 8/5 pre 2015WC?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Kulli on January 26, 2018, 03:38:53 PM
Also making nearly 300 from the position they were in last game, few years ago weíd have settled for 250 and making a game of it.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 28, 2018, 03:38:57 AM
Feels so weird not saying WACA. This pitch is weird
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Number4 on January 28, 2018, 05:54:37 AM
Spoke to Paul Collingwood in the lift at the motel after the Adelaide game on Friday night and his exact words were ďit was a real pooey gameĒ haha
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Kulli on January 28, 2018, 06:59:28 AM
Has Willey ever made a score for England?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 28, 2018, 08:25:40 AM
Can't remember anything significant, he's not a first choice player any longer, with stokes and wood and Woakes to come back into the side to settle the team before the 2019 WC. Don't think Mo Ali makes our best team any longer this has been a poor tour for him as well.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 28, 2018, 08:36:02 AM
Big wicket
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 28, 2018, 08:47:50 AM
Has Willey ever made a score for England?

Can say the same for Rashid
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 28, 2018, 08:54:32 AM
And we have been blessed with a streaker; a historic moment.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Kulli on January 28, 2018, 08:57:41 AM
Can say the same for Rashid
Possibly, just feels that for a guy that can really bat Willey has the numbers of a real bunny in an England shirt.

EDIT Rashid averages 22 with a top score of 61, Willeys 15 with 26
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 09:19:30 AM
Great catch by Moeen looks like he held it between thumb and forefinger
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 10:06:22 AM
 great catch by Curran from a full toss that should have been hit for six.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 28, 2018, 10:11:54 AM
Yes superb catch that one from Curran. We are still in this  :)

Maxwell thou how do the Aussies leave him out? I suspect he has some rough edges to his personality. It's not talent thTs for sure.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 28, 2018, 10:17:55 AM
That's an absolutely outstanding over from Tommy lad
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 10:22:30 AM
Excellent bowling by Tom Curran.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 10:30:43 AM
Second drop of the match by Bairstow
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: csnew on January 28, 2018, 10:31:10 AM
Oh dear what are the Aussies doing
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 10:45:33 AM
And what is Hales  doing no excuses  bad drop
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 28, 2018, 10:56:49 AM
Hales is a shocking fielder, like to see England try livingstone as he appears the hardest and longest hitter of the new group of batsmen.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 28, 2018, 11:10:48 AM
Love you Tommy, belter of a death bowler
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: spoonbed on January 28, 2018, 11:21:52 AM
Brilliant from TC!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 28, 2018, 11:22:20 AM
We know your Surrey bias but that was superb from Curran, great death bowling

Well done jake ball now he can go off and throw up!!!

Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 28, 2018, 11:22:54 AM
And to think he's gone unsold at the IPL. Absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 11:25:10 AM
Brilliant by Curran turned the game should get man of the match
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 28, 2018, 11:51:35 AM
Hales is a shocking fielder, like to see England try livingstone as he appears the hardest and longest hitter of the new group of batsmen.

Who are you dropping for Livingstone?
He might be half decent but this top 6 has fired for the last 2 years so he'll have to do something pretty special to get a game on merit. And Stokes will be back in the side before him aswell

Dominant series from England, even in difficult spells showed plenty of fight and almost won a match from 8-5. Without a doubt the current ODI squad is the best England have had since I started watching cricket in the mid 90s.

For all Australias dominance in the Test series they really looked clueless in this format with no real strategy or identity. Summed up by a couple of panic picks and constant reshuffling of the order. Worth the air fare to witness
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 28, 2018, 12:23:39 PM
Livingstone is a significantly better red ball batsman than white ball.

Hales makes international hundreds in the top order, not an easy thing to find. He is also dominant at domestic level like no other in the white ball except perhaps Riki Wessels or Jason Roy.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 28, 2018, 12:36:31 PM
No Giant hands for the trophy presentation on this occasion - I am shocked Cricket Australia
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: petehosk on January 28, 2018, 01:31:06 PM
So great series and excellent "comeback" from England after a disappointing Test series.
The big question is what is the strongest starting XI? Let's face it, Stokes will be there so without doubt, there will be a reshuffle!!
With the likes of Malan in the squad, plus Curren looking very comfortable at International level, there is some depth to the squad.

So what would be our best XI on both non-spinning and spinning wickets? Mine would look similar to:

Non-Spinning:
Roy
Bairstow
Hales
Root
Morgs
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Plunkett
Wood

1st Reserves:
Bating - Malan
Bowling - Curren

On spinning wicket:
Roy
Bairstow
Hales
Root
Morgs
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Wood

1st Reserves:
Batting - Malan 
Bowling - Curren
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 03:12:23 PM
I'm pretty sure that for anything other than really gree English conditions England want to field the same first choice XI - they see Stokes as one of their top five batsmen who just happens to bowl, and like to have the sixth frontline bowling option.  So:

Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Plunkett
Rashid
Wood/Willey (that one is for Brucie!)

That leaves Hales, Malan, Curran and Billings to make up the squad.  In very green conditions, Ali drops out for Hales.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Buzz on January 28, 2018, 03:57:41 PM
I agree the the above team is the first choice, although you may see Stokes at 3 with Root and Morgan at 4 and 5.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: rickjames on January 28, 2018, 04:23:37 PM
Stokes at 3? What?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 04:32:12 PM
It's not as daft as it sounds actually. Root is our one innings builder, and looked excellent coming in at four in Australia.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: petehosk on January 28, 2018, 05:00:42 PM
I'd be surprised if they dropped Hales!
I know he isn't in great form but I'm sure it will improve again.
Nice position to be in with them fighting for places  :D
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 28, 2018, 06:04:21 PM
Who are you dropping for Livingstone?
He might be half decent but this top 6 has fired for the last 2 years so he'll have to do something pretty special to get a game on merit. And Stokes will be back in the side before him aswell

Dominant series from England, even in difficult spells showed plenty of fight and almost won a match from 8-5. Without a doubt the current ODI squad is the best England have had since I started watching cricket in the mid 90s.

For all Australias dominance in the Test series they really looked clueless in this format with no real strategy or identity. Summed up by a couple of panic picks and constant reshuffling of the order. Worth the air fare to witness

Yes your right, we have the best side in living memory and since the World Cup our cricket has changed so much, it's actually a joy to watch.
You're right also stokes must come back in, so does Woakes, he's may not be the 'brummie botham(I was joking when I posted that the other day!) but he is a quality player.Woakes coming in down the order we are spoilt we really are.not mentioned his bowling either, or fielding.

Wood comes back he has pace and probably Plunkett, what about Curran?  Absolutely superb from him today, top class bowling and he won us the match.

So....we can't get everyone one in, point taken.

But......we have won just a single major one day tournament since I've been watching England,semi final of the ICC last year(I bought a ticket for the final convinced we would win), final of the T20 when we lost in that last over, so 1 T20 trophy we have.

Next year is our chance to win a major tournament, we have to nail it, we are good enough I'm sure, what wickets we play on may play a part.

So yes livingstone is back of he que. if I'm picking the team, someone else plays instead of Hales in my opinion.Root 3 probably and see from there...
Unlike the test side, we actually have 15 very good players we could pick from.
 :)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 07:02:33 PM
Yes your right, we have the best side in living memory and since the World Cup our cricket has changed so much, it's actually a joy to watch.
You're right also stokes must come back in, so does Woakes, he's may not be the 'brummie botham(I was joking when I posted that the other day!) but he is a quality player.Woakes coming in down the order we are spoilt we really are.not mentioned his bowling either, or fielding.

Wood comes back he has pace and probably Plunkett, what about Curran?  Absolutely superb from him today, top class bowling and he won us the match.

So....we can't get everyone one in, point taken.

But......we have won just a single major one day tournament since I've been watching England,semi final of the ICC last year(I bought a ticket for the final convinced we would win), final of the T20 when we lost in that last over, so 1 T20 trophy we have.

Next year is our chance to win a major tournament, we have to nail it, we are good enough I'm sure, what wickets we play on may play a part.

So yes livingstone is back of he que. if I'm picking the team, someone else plays instead of Hales in my opinion.Root 3 probably and see from there...
Unlike the test side, we actually have 15 very good players we could pick from.
 :)
Not trying to be controversial but  after the way Curran bowled  today and with Plukett to come back wouldn't have thought Woakes averaging under 1.4   (  99 wickets from 71  matches )  is as nailed on as we think.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 07:05:00 PM
Not trying to be controversial but  after the way Curran bowled  today and with Plukett to come back wouldn't have thought Woakes averaging under 1.4   (  99 wickets from 71  matches )  is as nailed on as we think.

Errr...yes you are trying to be controversial.

Look, I agree that Woakes is not the world beater in Test cricket.  But in ODIs he is pretty useful - as a bowler who can use the new ball, has few nerves under pressure, and especially as a batsmen down the order. 

Curran has a good game - against a poor side, in a dead rubber.  He has not even jumped ahead of Willey yet, let alone the lads who are first pick!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 28, 2018, 07:19:49 PM
There is a Woakes parallel with Curran. In his second or this ODI- which was in Australia in a losing team - he took 6-45.

Probably worth keeping oneís powder dry on Curran.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
There is a Woakes parallel with Curran. In his second or this ODI- which was in Australia in a losing team - he took 6-45.

Probably worth keeping oneís powder dry on Curran.

Agree early days on Curran but you can see his potenial impressed with the way he bowled  late outswing  in swing and straight in  his overs
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 07:55:56 PM
Errr...yes you are trying to be controversial.

Look, I agree that Woakes is not the world beater in Test cricket.  But in ODIs he is pretty useful - as a bowler who can use the new ball, has few nerves under pressure, and especially as a batsmen down the order. 

Curran has a good game - against a poor side, in a dead rubber.  He has not even jumped ahead of Willey yet, let alone the lads who are first pick!
No not being controversial just don't see after 71 matches an average of  1.4 wickets  as good enough  but yes useful at times with the bat down the order  against limited bowling attacks
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: fros23 on January 28, 2018, 08:35:54 PM
No not being controversial just don't see after 71 matches an average of  1.4 wickets  as good enough  but yes useful at times with the bat down the order  against limited bowling attacks

What average is good enough then?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 08:43:17 PM
No not being controversial just don't see after 71 matches an average of  1.4 wickets  as good enough  but yes useful at times with the bat down the order  against limited bowling attacks

Actually, that's not at all bad, and compares well with most ODI all rounders
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 28, 2018, 08:49:44 PM
 He doesnít cite sources @fros23
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 28, 2018, 08:50:30 PM
gotta be honest with you @Manormanic , it's early days for him, but I think Currant might be level pegging with Willey. I don;t think we've seen the best of Willey in an England shirt, he's not the most effective bowler - but I think he still noses ahead because of the variety his left arm gives. I'd bat him as high as possible and let him tw*t the hell out of him/

Rashid is a wicket taker (albeit an expensive one) with Stokes back in the side he stays in.

Hales is ahead of Bairstow in the pecking order.

Therefore our best side is -

Hales
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Willey
Rashid
Wood
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 28, 2018, 08:53:04 PM
I'd have Plunkett ahead of Willey but otherwise agree with that, when Stokes returns to the top 5 Bairstow drops out with Hales returning to opening.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on January 28, 2018, 08:55:33 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 28, 2018, 08:57:34 PM
Yeah, I can't believe I left Plunko!!! He probably edges ahead of Willey - but it's ok, Wood will never play 5 ODI's in a row, so Willey will get in at some point (fnrr! fnrr!)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 09:00:28 PM
How is Hales ahead of Bairstow?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 28, 2018, 09:08:41 PM
Why would you drop him?

You can't drop him and put Bairstow in because he's from Yorkshire?

What has Hales done to be dropped?

If you're dropping anyone it's Morgan - but he;' one of the more skillful ODI skippers we've got.

I'll tell you what, I'll drop Root for Bairstow - how does that work?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 09:13:20 PM
Last I checked, Bairstow was the man in possession. Hales missed out against the Windies and Roy took his spot.

So what has Hales done to supplant Bairstow?

Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 28, 2018, 09:19:56 PM
Hales has got a really good track record of scoring big quick tons in ODIs. Bairstow hasn't even got that good a record of scoring tons in List A cricket?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 09:21:49 PM
He's been our opener for nine completed games and made two. I'd say that's a pretty decent record.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 28, 2018, 09:27:09 PM
Last I checked, Bairstow was the man in possession. Hales missed out against the Windies and Roy took his spot.

So what has Hales done to supplant Bairstow?

His long history of opening for England

His experience

His 5 ODi hundreds


Don't get me wrong, I think Jonny should be in the side when there is a gap, but I think Hales has earnt the right to be first pick.

And before we go down the route that Hales was a dick and got dropped for stupid behaviour, thus losing his place - Jonny hasn't exactly covered himself in glory.

Also, what's wrong with protecting Jonny a bit? I'd rather he was at his freshest as our test wicket-keeper/batsman, whereas Hales is unlikely to play Test cricket in the near future.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Kulli on January 28, 2018, 09:28:28 PM
Hales arguably only got back in for this series because Stokes was unavailable. Averaged 20. Fielding is village. He'll drop out and Root/Morgan will move up one.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: cricketbadger on January 28, 2018, 09:30:04 PM
Just swap them around in the batting order. Bairstow has to play, and Hales record is decent enough despite being a poor fielder and (No Swearing Please) bloke
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 09:33:16 PM
I disagree.

Hales has done well for England on occasion, but by your argument is undroppable. You are in effect saying that YJBs opening partner was injured, YJB made two tons unbeaten and two fifties in nine games, but should be dropped because his partners replacement did well?

Insane.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Rob580 on January 28, 2018, 09:41:37 PM
His long history of opening for England

His experience

His 5 ODi hundreds


Don't get me wrong, I think Jonny should be in the side when there is a gap, but I think Hales has earnt the right to be first pick.

And before we go down the route that Hales was a dick and got dropped for stupid behaviour, thus losing his place - Jonny hasn't exactly covered himself in glory.

Also, what's wrong with protecting Jonny a bit? I'd rather he was at his freshest as our test wicket-keeper/batsman, whereas Hales is unlikely to play Test cricket in the near future.

Yeah, but you're forgetting. Bairstow is from Yorkshire, which invalidates all other arguments
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 28, 2018, 09:51:18 PM
I disagree.

Hales has done well for England on occasion, but by your argument is undroppable. You are in effect saying that YJBs opening partner was injured, YJB made two tons unbeaten and two fifties in nine games, but should be dropped because his partners replacement did well?

Insane.

At no point do I say that Hales is undroppable, I simply feel he should be in the side ahead of Bairstow as there aren't enough spaces to get Bairstow in too, his time will come - I'm not sure which part of that is complicated.

I think Hales, Roy, Root is the best top 3 for England currently.

Despite the fact that I was born outside the Yorkshire borders, I feel my opinion is equally valid. I feel it is ok to prefer someone who isn't a Yorkshireman, and I noticed you ignored my suggestion of dropping Root for Bairstow?

Personally I think it;s a great problem to have- if you want to poke the hornets nest, I think Malan should be in the side!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 28, 2018, 10:05:55 PM
I don't get it at all personally. YJB is a good batsman, but actually not unusually good at limited overs cricket - every other potential member of the England top 6 has a better record of scoring big/quick innings. Hales and Roy are the best opening pair England have had in about 15 years. Why is this a selection conversation again?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Rob580 on January 28, 2018, 10:45:18 PM
Best England XI:

Cook
Browne
Westley
Chopra
Bopara
Lawrence
Foster
Coles
Harmer (we'll get him a visa)
Walter
Porter


I may or may not be an Essex man.....
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 29, 2018, 07:31:55 AM
Yeah, but you're forgetting. Bairstow is from Yorkshire, which invalidates all other arguments

Oh, I think you'll find all the other arguments stack up in Bairstow's favour too. 

Bairstow averages nearly 46 in ODI's, as against a paltry 36 for Hales.  His strike rate is almost on a par, and indeed his strike rate as an opener is in fact higher than Hales'.  The only statistical evidence that Hales is the better bet is the point of his 5 hundreds; however, even this is not really supported by the evidence - Bairstow has after all only been allowed to bat in the top order on a dozen occasions, which make his 2 tons quite impressive enough.  Then you have the fact that he is our best fielder...

Of course, the biggest sign that it will be Hales who misses out though is the one given by the England management - in giving Bairstow the opening role for this series and asking Hales to bat three, they've made a very clear statement about who the first choice is.

But of course, none of that matters and my opinion is only based on where I was born.   :(
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 29, 2018, 07:35:19 AM
Despite the fact that I was born outside the Yorkshire borders, I feel my opinion is equally valid. I feel it is ok to prefer someone who isn't a Yorkshireman, and I noticed you ignored my suggestion of dropping Root for Bairstow?

Personally I think it;s a great problem to have- if you want to poke the hornets nest, I think Malan should be in the side!

I thought the suggestion of dropping your second best player to get your best player in was a gag (though actually, Root of all our players needs his workload managing and it would make more sense for him to pick and choose his ODIs than miss lots of T20, with its different skill sets).
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 29, 2018, 08:48:03 AM
On that, at least. I think we can agree. Personally I'd not have Root in any T20's, and I'd rotate him in ODI's because I want him to have a long and fruitful career as England's best ever test batsman.

Long live t'revolution!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 29, 2018, 08:50:52 AM
On that, at least. I think we can agree. Personally I'd not have Root in any T20's, and I'd rotate him in ODI's because I want him to have a long and fruitful career as England's best ever test batsman.

Long live t'revolution!

Interesting that you'd leave him out of t20 to rest, rather than ODIs.  I'd have thought the other way round?

Of course, he should really be dropped from all formats so he can concenrate on the mighty White Rose!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 29, 2018, 09:07:40 AM
Probably because I have no respect or love for the T20 stuff, and think it is beneath him.

Any enforced rest for him should be a good thing.

Do you think he should be England captain?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: petehosk on January 29, 2018, 09:17:13 AM
On that, at least. I think we can agree. Personally I'd not have Root in any T20's, and I'd rotate him in ODI's because I want him to have a long and fruitful career as England's best ever test batsman.

I hope he becomes England's best ever Test batsman, although Hammond will take a bit of catching to be fair!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 29, 2018, 09:18:44 AM
He doesnít cite sources @fros23

Didnt think there was a need to cite a source information available  on many websites including cricinfo
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 29, 2018, 09:20:10 AM
I hope he becomes England's best ever Test batsman, although Hammond will take a bit of catching to be fair!

And Alister Cook.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 29, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
Probably because I have no respect or love for the T20 stuff, and think it is beneath him.

Any enforced rest for him should be a good thing.

Do you think he should be England captain?

Honestly, no.  Its not that I think he is doing a bad job - indeed, the feedback from his squad seems overwhelmingly positive - and I caveat my answer with an acceptance that there are precious few credible candidates in the squad.  My issue is, we have an annoying habit of giving the job to our best batsman, often also one with physical frailties, and making them a less valuable player as a result (cf Mike Atherton, Michael Vaughan) - and I can see similar hapening with Root if he is not careful.

The problem is, that lack of options.  In the squad at present, you have the definite nos (Cook, Stoneman, Vince, Stokes, Woakes, Ali, Broad) alongside the probable nos (Malan) leaving only two candidates - of whom one, Anderson, is equally as valuable as our sole world class bowler and the other, YJB, is our second best bat and keeper.  The latter has always impressed with his reading of the game, but to do all three jobs would be close to suicide.  So Root gets it.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 29, 2018, 09:28:00 AM
I hope he becomes England's best ever Test batsman, although Hammond will take a bit of catching to be fair!

Though not as much as the guys ahead of him...  ;)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Nmcgee on January 29, 2018, 09:39:58 AM
And Alister Cook.

Root is ten times the cricketer of Cook.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 29, 2018, 09:48:12 AM
Root is ten times the cricketer of Cook.

In what ten ways
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 29, 2018, 09:52:33 AM
Root is ten times the cricketer of Cook.

might be just a little extreme!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 29, 2018, 09:58:11 AM
For what it's worth (I am neither from Yorkshire nor do I hate Hales, I think he's a fantastic white ball batsman but as others have alluded to he's pony in the field  ;) ) I think dropping Bairstow is a ridiculous suggestion. Since being given the openers slot he's averaging 63 at nearly a run a ball, what more could he possibly do??
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 29, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
I don't like his hair.

There you go, it's out there, I've said it - you cunning Northern b*stards have forced it out of me!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Nmcgee on January 29, 2018, 10:12:48 AM
In what ten ways

In the last 5 years, better average against Australia, India and South Africa for starters.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 29, 2018, 10:27:30 AM
I don't like his hair.

There you go, it's out there, I've said it - you cunning Northern b*stards have forced it out of me!

Ah well, if thats the case then obviously Hales should come in.  Out of curiousity, is it the alarming shade of ginger or the wierd face fuzz that you find most off putting? ;)
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: edge on January 29, 2018, 10:51:32 AM
Bairstow England's best fielder @Manormanic ?! I'd say him and Hales are pretty similar in the field (not that I think Hales is as bad as everyone makes out) - both decent but drop the odd one. Bairstow dropped two proper clangers yesterday and lets one easy one through him on the boundary almost every game. Morgan/Roy/Stokes/Billings lead the way by a fair distance for England.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 29, 2018, 11:07:22 AM
In the last 5 years, better average against Australia, India and South Africa for starters.

Correct and the other nine times better
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on January 29, 2018, 11:10:25 AM
Bairstow England's best fielder @Manormanic ?! I'd say him and Hales are pretty similar in the field (not that I think Hales is as bad as everyone makes out) - both decent but drop the odd one. Bairstow dropped two proper clangers yesterday and lets one easy one through him on the boundary almost every game. Morgan/Roy/Stokes/Billings lead the way by a fair distance for England.

Didn't see the game yesterdya, and should perhaps have said out fielder, but yes, he is a very useful guy to have out there - quick, with a bullet arm. 
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Nmcgee on January 29, 2018, 11:13:32 AM
Correct and the other nine times better

Dunno why youíd defend Cook. He cost you the ashes.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: petehosk on January 29, 2018, 11:18:24 AM
Didn't see the game yesterdya, and should perhaps have said out fielder, but yes, he is a very useful guy to have out there - quick, with a bullet arm.

Agree wth this - outfielder Bairstow is quality! Let's just say that he is a better keeper than he is a slip fielder!
And I believe that Hales is a good slip fielder. So unsure why Bairstow and Hales were fielding in the wrong positions?
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: petehosk on January 29, 2018, 11:23:45 AM
And Cook may have not been in decent nick in the Ashes, but he has been one of the best Openers in modern times.
Is Root better than Cook? They play slightly different positions and different roles so not always easy to compare. But I would say that time will tell.
Root has been one of the top five batsmen in the World for the past couple of years (alongside Kholi, Smith, Williamson, etc) I hope it continues and that his batting doesn't suffer becuase of the Captancy.
But also can't knock Cook - I hope both continue for a few years yet!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 29, 2018, 11:23:54 AM
In the last 5 years, better average against Australia, India and South Africa for starters.

If they batted in the same position it would be a more interesting comparison and lets see how Root goes after years of captaincy

Cook will finish his career with more runs, more tons, more doubles etc etc so I guess its which barometer you determine success by

For me Roots pretty 60s almost every innings are great while they last but a Cook marathon is a joy to behold

With regard to the ODI selection - its a pretty good position to be in. Had our 4th, 5th and 6th choice seamers on display last fixture (and the worlds best all-rounder building snowmen in Durham) and we still ran through the Aussies. The batting is just as strong - I agree that Bairstow is the man in possession if push comes to shove

Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: petehosk on January 29, 2018, 11:34:15 AM
I still like my XI - as long as Hales goes in the Slips and Bairstow not, then there is room for both.
Willey is decent but still feel that with Stokes, Woakes, Plunko and Wood bowling, we have plenty of pace bowling. I reckon they only put Willie and Ball in there to allow Fattus to feast on the innuendos!
I have a feeling that if Curren continues to show the kinds of skill and variations he showed yesterday, he will soon be going up the pecking order! The kid has so much confidence and he showed no nerves at all! His energy was impressive too. He seems to be growing in confidence and hope he continues to show that X-Factor!


Roy
Bairstow
Hales
Root
Morgs
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Plunkett (Rashid if dry wicket)
Wood

1st Reserves:
Bating - Malan
Bowling - Curren
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on January 29, 2018, 08:49:31 PM
Dunno why youíd defend Cook. He cost you the ashes.

Defiantly the most stupid post of 2018 so far and possibly still will be come the end of 2018.

One man did not cost us the ashes 6/7 players being not at there best with Ali being bang out of form with bat & ball and the Aussies having 6/7 players bang on form with another 3 having the best series of there careers so far cost us the Ashes.

Ask any cricketer of the last 10 years to name there best test team and I reckon 9/10 would have cook opening the batting
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 29, 2018, 09:44:14 PM
The best way I find to pick the team is imagine it's the World Cup finals at the Oval, the oppo are top class and England are about to play the biggest match in limited overs history. So which 11 players have the skill,the bottle and the sheer desire to take us over the line and win the tournament.

If I close my eyes I'm at the Oval with a Pimms in my hand  :)

Morgan
Root
Roy
Stokes
Wood
Butler
Rashid
Woakes
Bairstow
Hales(the goon!)

That's 10 and most would have those I think on the forum,even with the varying views we get on here.i would  have someone else for Hales myself but logic is he has scored runs at the top of the order, so can't really argue sensibly on that one.He is however a total goon with a leaky defence against quality. on his day he is destructive...and we do need guys who can put it into the stands.
Most of here have Ali too, for me we play one spinner and Rashid gets that spot-more variation in the middle overs and spins both ways.

The other guy who has not really had a proper go is Billings, an unorthodox player could he be a wild card by 2019?

Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Mattsky on January 29, 2018, 09:44:35 PM
Defiantly the most stupid post of 2018 so far and possibly still will be come the end of 2018.

One man did not cost us the ashes 6/7 players being not at there best with Ali being bang out of form with bat & ball and the Aussies having 6/7 players bang on form with another 3 having the best series of there careers so far cost us the Ashes.

Ask any cricketer of the last 10 years to name there best test team and I reckon 9/10 would have cook opening the batting

What he said.  :D
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 29, 2018, 09:47:50 PM
Defiantly the most stupid post of 2018 so far and possibly still will be come the end of 2018.


Agreed. The poster has been spouting nonsense in the SA v India thread aswell so has perhaps had some sort of brain fade

The Australian press here are all very critical of their own team, and coaches, after the 4-1 home drubbing. Perhaps the poster is trying to take his mind off that
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 29, 2018, 09:50:07 PM
The best way I find to pick the team is imagine it's the World Cup finals at the Oval, the oppo are top class and England are about to play the biggest match in limited overs history. So which 11 players have the skill,the bottle and the sheer desire to take us over the line and win the tournament.

If I close my eyes I'm at the Oval with a Pimms in my hand  :)

Morgan
Root
Roy
Stokes
Wood
Butler
Rashid
Woakes
Bairstow
Hales(the goon!)

That's 10 and most would have those I think on the forum,even with the varying views we get on here.i would  have someone else for Hales myself but logic is he has scored runs at the top of the order, so can't really argue sensibly on that one.He is however a total goon with a leaky defence against quality. on his day he is destructive...and we do need guys who can put it into the stands.
Most of here have Ali too, for me we play one spinner and Rashid gets that spot-more variation in the middle overs and spins both ways.

The other guy who has not really had a proper go is Billings, an unorthodox player could he be a wild card by 2019?

Where are your 50 overs coming from? You're a bowler short
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on January 29, 2018, 10:00:40 PM
Yes the 10 on that list does mean the 11th player has to be a bowler. Most I think would have Ali. I would have Plunkett I think. Curran may or may not be in favour by summer next year. Hard to tell from one match but Curran may have the big match temperament and that is gold dust.

I'm sure the Surrey fans on here would say he has it. he is used to bowling at the death in County games.
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: LateBloomer on January 29, 2018, 10:05:55 PM
Yes the 10 on that list does mean the 11th player has to be a bowler. Most I think would have Ali. I would have Plunkett I think. Curran may or may not be in favour by summer next year. Hard to tell from one match but Curran may have the big match temperament and that is gold dust.

I'm sure the Surrey fans on here would say he has it. he is used to bowling at the death in County games.

Sorry thought you were squeezing Billings in and giving the final 10 overs to Root

Hard to leave Curran out after annihilating the Australians but Plunkett has done a good job in recent times - great options!
Title: Re: AUS vs ENG ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 30, 2018, 09:48:45 AM
Agreed. The poster has been spouting nonsense in the SA v India thread aswell so has perhaps had some sort of brain fade

The Australian press here are all very critical of their own team, and coaches, after the 4-1 home drubbing. Perhaps the poster is trying to take his mind off that

Or our minds off it