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Title: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Buzz on July 23, 2014, 03:05:31 PM
It is batting coaching
and it is from Mark Ramprakash.

Thank you All Out Cricket

How to hold the bat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY2fHVQekFw&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY2fHVQekFw&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)

The Stance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NurpSavwvsQ&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NurpSavwvsQ&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)

The Back lift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svWej4YDCg&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svWej4YDCg&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)

apparently there are more to come too

Marvellous.
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: jwebber86 on July 23, 2014, 03:27:42 PM
really liked the one about the grip. having never really had any coaching it might help my game as its usually very bottom handed
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: Blank Bats on July 23, 2014, 08:55:53 PM
Mr Buzz

Can you please sticky this thread please.
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: Buzz on July 24, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
Here are the next three...

How to choose your guard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjzLWaLT2Io&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjzLWaLT2Io&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)

How to play spin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhTSTOCCTZM&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhTSTOCCTZM&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)

How to use a tri**** movement (dirty word removed ;))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KvrXWOJJfI&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KvrXWOJJfI&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)

actually this is the best conversation I have seen about a trigger movement in a long time
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: calcurtis98 on July 24, 2014, 04:40:13 PM
Very useful for someone like me who's working hard on batting, hope he does one on forward defensive and playing on the front and back foot specifically. I know he's sort of gone through it but an out and out video on it would be nice.
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: Buzz on July 31, 2014, 11:28:27 AM
So it turns out that Mark Ramprakash has taken on Goochies role as batting coach - which is brilliant news.

He is responsible for Cook's change in technique and improvements too.
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: GarrettJ on July 31, 2014, 11:40:35 AM
Best part of the forum the bits on technique, no bickering about pressing, bat makers, prices etc

After getting 40, 50, 60 in my last 3 innings decided my technique was a little off, felt like I'm planting my foot on off stump.

What do you reckon to opening my stance a little so my back leg is on centre and front leg on leg?
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: Buzz on July 31, 2014, 12:41:08 PM
how about just opening your front foot slightly and keeping your back foot where it is usually?

I would try a few different things in the nets which are simple changes that can be embedded quickly.
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: GarrettJ on July 31, 2014, 12:48:34 PM
Sounds like a better plan Buzz, cheers

Check out my suggestion in the mirror and it very open. Will move it slightly and get my head forward in the stance
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: jwebber86 on July 31, 2014, 01:04:57 PM
i found the trigger movements useful. i found alot of the time i was feeling unsteady on my feet or not moving them at all.

i now press slighter forward on the ball of my front foot so far feeling much better
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: tanrichguy on July 31, 2014, 07:44:37 PM
This type of short video is just what I need. As someone who came to cricket late in life (39) I suppose I need all the help I can get! Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: Buzz on November 25, 2014, 04:17:38 PM
For those with a subscription to the Times, have some Jos Buttler master classes (worth buying a £1 months trial for these...!)
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/cricket/article4276798.ece (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/cricket/article4276798.ece)
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: Buzz on May 05, 2015, 07:28:11 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9838067/kevin-pietersen-gave-a-six-hitting-masterclass-in-the-zone-on-skys-ipl-coverage (http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9838067/kevin-pietersen-gave-a-six-hitting-masterclass-in-the-zone-on-skys-ipl-coverage)

This is brilliant.
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: Buzz on May 07, 2015, 03:34:06 PM
more from KP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB4n49RCuFs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB4n49RCuFs)


this next one is brilliant especially - working in head and hand position
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OIFQYuU6vw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OIFQYuU6vw)
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: brokenbat on May 07, 2015, 04:36:22 PM
great stuff. thanks Buzz
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: brokenbat on May 22, 2015, 07:45:28 PM
There are sure to be lots of little snippets during the Eng NZ series. Also supposed to be a Gilchrist masterclass out soon.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Buzz on January 19, 2016, 02:11:18 PM
I realise this is in the wrong thread - but here is a video on how to bowl out and in swing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmc_1ACBiM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmc_1ACBiM)
Title: Re: Mark Ramprakash Batting Master Classes
Post by: Silver Bullet on February 12, 2016, 04:53:52 AM
[url]http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9838067/kevin-pietersen-gave-a-six-hitting-masterclass-in-the-zone-on-skys-ipl-coverage[/url] ([url]http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9838067/kevin-pietersen-gave-a-six-hitting-masterclass-in-the-zone-on-skys-ipl-coverage[/url])

This is brilliant.


It is. One of the finest I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: JimmyT85 on February 19, 2016, 10:21:50 AM
Thanks for the links

I've been watching tip videos all week when bored in work, and tried to put some into practice last night.

I just couldn't get comfortable at the crease. I guess it's just due to doing things differently for the first time
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Silver Bullet on February 26, 2016, 03:55:31 PM
Wicket Keeping Masterclass (Heals, Punter and Warne)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMhEw-lqRz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMhEw-lqRz4)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Buzz on March 29, 2016, 04:04:57 PM
This is a good page on drop feeds and how to use them and what to use them for - These are really good for starting or groving a new technique ahead of using a bowling machine or going into a net
http://www.sportplan.net/drills/Cricket/Techniques/Sample-drop-feed-tfc029.jsp (http://www.sportplan.net/drills/Cricket/Techniques/Sample-drop-feed-tfc029.jsp)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Buzz on March 29, 2016, 09:57:32 PM
This is way better than my video on hitting through the leg side!!

https://youtu.be/whrZOG5R1zc
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: dilscoop on March 29, 2016, 10:08:41 PM
not sure if this has been posted but...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1vszMKbrE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1vszMKbrE)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Buzz on April 20, 2016, 04:21:51 PM
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10251315/ipl-zone-staying-still (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10251315/ipl-zone-staying-still)

This is great about staying still and backlift
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Blank Bats on April 20, 2016, 08:15:40 PM
Top post Buzz
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: ppccopener on April 20, 2016, 08:25:58 PM
Good tips thanks
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: i12breakfree on May 13, 2016, 04:24:22 AM
Tips from Kohli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPp-Afdc7o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPp-Afdc7o)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Buzz on June 26, 2016, 06:20:35 AM
Not a video, but it is Kumar talking about batting.

It is therefore a must read for technique boffins.


And everyone else.


http://alloutcricket.com/alloutsurrey/aos9/#16 (http://alloutcricket.com/alloutsurrey/aos9/#16)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: rickjames on August 02, 2016, 11:46:28 AM
It appears that the AB De Villiers masterclasses/stuff are appearing up on Youtube

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KjO0Xmkdm4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KjO0Xmkdm4)
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyaSNZudZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyaSNZudZc)

I imagine Part 3 will appear shortly but there's great stuff on fielding in that one, dude is a freak
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: brokenbat on August 06, 2016, 01:47:42 AM
Finch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K6ba1NXXvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K6ba1NXXvg)

Ashwin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbCaFMnHdb0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbCaFMnHdb0)

Hayden (short tip): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWEhuSIi5e4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWEhuSIi5e4)

Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: rickjames on August 28, 2016, 10:17:15 AM
Joe Root did some videos with Simon Hughes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M334W6cwRk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M334W6cwRk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOZKnNB75_M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOZKnNB75_M)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V19TNZIxIL0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V19TNZIxIL0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BunBn6DJ0nE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BunBn6DJ0nE)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: ppccopener on November 08, 2016, 10:19:34 PM
When I had a lot of technical issues i saw a coach who gave me some well meaning advise, to bat in my stance with the bat between my legs rather than in 'normal position . I tried this a lot. It did not feel comfortable doing it.

So I watched ramprakash videos over and over again and just took one thing from it-balance.

So just tried to copy what I saw ramps doing and its def helped.original stance but just worked on balance at the crease-trying to stop the head going over to offside(right handed)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: charliemott on July 19, 2017, 07:56:38 AM
If anyone has the sky sports app, there was a video of Flintoff and Key doing a similar thing last night too...
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: dynamiccoins on July 19, 2017, 10:06:08 AM
If anyone has the sky sports app, there was a video of Flintoff and Key doing a similar thing last night too...


http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10953314/andrew-flintoff-and-rob-key-renew-battle-in-cricket-demo (http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10953314/andrew-flintoff-and-rob-key-renew-battle-in-cricket-demo)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Big Mac on July 19, 2017, 03:33:21 PM
[url]http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10953314/andrew-flintoff-and-rob-key-renew-battle-in-cricket-demo[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10953314/andrew-flintoff-and-rob-key-renew-battle-in-cricket-demo[/url])


The Wasim Akram tip about the thumb is very interesting, might give it a go next time I'm in the nets.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: adb club cricketer on July 19, 2017, 07:04:38 PM
Sky sports did a video on ab de villiers called "white ball king". I think the skysports original link below is only accessible to UK viewers.
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10210288/ab-de-villiers-masterclass-white-ball-king (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10210288/ab-de-villiers-masterclass-white-ball-king)

Anyone has link to this video accessible to non UK viewers.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: rickjames on July 29, 2017, 02:30:18 PM
Masterclass with KP http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10966164/kevin-pietersen-masterclass (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10966164/kevin-pietersen-masterclass)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Buzz on July 29, 2017, 07:51:28 PM
Masterclass with KP [url]http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10966164/kevin-pietersen-masterclass[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10966164/kevin-pietersen-masterclass[/url])


This is particularly good. Lots of focus on playing/watching the ball and moving your head to the ball to play your shots. Keep batting simple.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: ppccopener on July 29, 2017, 09:38:34 PM
Excellent stuff the KP video.head is so important most of us are not that good we can do without foot movement but balance and a still head is all I work on in winter practice

Love him or hate him he's a fantastic batsman
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: well past my peak on July 29, 2017, 11:36:48 PM
Always loved the KP approach to batting, very disappointed his international career was shorten, anyone able to share link that can be watched down under?
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: rickjames on September 09, 2017, 10:18:04 PM
Masterclass with Marcus Trescothick http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/11026651/marcus-trescothick-masterclass (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/11026651/marcus-trescothick-masterclass)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Big Mac on September 10, 2017, 12:22:33 AM
To add to the "Don't worry about footwork" school of thought, there is a story about Majid Khan by Peter Walker in his book Cricket Conversation:

Quote
At the windswept, icy county ground in Derby in 1969, Majid put
on the most memorable exhibition of batting skills it has been my good
fortune personally to witness. It took place in the Derbyshire nets
during one of those seemingly endless breaks waiting for the heavy
overnight rain to drain through a waterlogged outfield. Huddled around
the medieval dressing-room brazier thoughtfully provided by the Derby
committee to combat the spine-chilling draughts that used to waft
through the racecourse ground pavilion, the former headquarters of the
county, the Glamorgan team's conversation turned to the art of
batting.

We had just come from a game against Sussex where Jim Parks Jnr had
made a hundred against us on an unpredictable wicket. We agreed that it
was the speed and precision of his footwork that had kept us, and Don
Shepard in particular, at bay. At that time, Shepard was one of the
country's most feared bowlers, a man of immaculate length and
direction who bowled off-breaks at a brisk medium pace. On a turning
wicket he was virtually unplayable, and touring teams in this country
had gone away from games against Glamorgan at Swansea with a sigh of
relief that the myopic England selectors did not include him in any of
the Test sides.

 While the discussion continued to and fro across the brazier,
Majid, never at any stage of his career a talkative man, sat silent,
orientally impassive. It was only when we had appeared to have
exhausted all line of debate that he spoke : "You don't need any
footwork in batting, just hands and eye". In terms of length, this
amounted to a major speech from Majid, then in his second season with
Glamorgan, having joined on a special registration in 1968, the year
after he had toured the UK with Pakistan. The Welsh county committee
had no doubt been influenced in their signing of him, by his innings
of 147 in eighty-nine minutes against Glamorgan at Swansea and the
fact that his father, the distinguished Indian cricketer Dr Jehangir
Khan, had been the pre-war Cambridge contemporary of Wilfred Wooller,
the Glamorgan secretary. These factors quickly helped to forge a bond
which was to last until 1976.

 At Derby on that bleak day in June 1969, Glamorgan were on the
crest of a winning streak which lasted throughout the season,
culminating in them taking the Championship for the second time in
their first-class history with an unbeaten record to boot, the first
time this had been achieved since Lancashire in 1934. Success is a
heady brew and there were many challengers to Majid's claim that
footwork counted for nothing.

 Within fifteen minutes, three of our front-line bowlers,
including Don Sheperd, lined up in a net outside with Majid padded up
at the other end about to have his theory demolished. For twenty
minutes, on a rough, unprepared, and quite-impossible-to-bat-on wicket
where the ball flew, shot, seamed and turned, Majid Khan stood
absolutely motionless, parrying the ball as it lifted, cutting or
hooking unerringly if it were wide, driving with frightening power if
overpitched and swaying out of harm's way when it lifted unexpectedly.
Unless he allowed it, not a single ball passed his bat, not a chance
was given, not a false stroke made. The bowlers were at full throttle,
yet by our own reckoning afterwards that twenty-minute session must
have yielded the young Pakistani around 75 runs ! He had just defied
every known textbook instruction, improvised strokes that just did not
exist and, without uttering a word, had emphatically made his point.
In the presence of genius, no rules apply.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: InternalTraining on September 10, 2017, 02:59:54 AM
^ It is very easy to overthink batting and cloud your judgement. I find the biggest challenge this season was to keep my technique simple and my mind clear - neither happened. :D
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Buzz on September 14, 2017, 11:56:24 AM
Kumar on batting. Part 1
https://youtu.be/uMmkpJqtFyU
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: rickjames on April 23, 2018, 08:29:39 PM
Another video with KP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLUd99fqWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLUd99fqWc)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Calzehbhoy on April 23, 2018, 09:14:53 PM
Another video with KP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLUd99fqWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLUd99fqWc)

Not interested in how, itís how many!

Love that!!
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: InternalTraining on April 24, 2018, 12:24:19 AM
I want KP to be my coach. :D
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: golders on April 24, 2018, 06:36:28 AM
" I kept things very very simple"hehe
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Duck Duck Mongoose on August 05, 2018, 07:24:50 AM
There were a load of AB de Villiers masterclasses on his cricketyard website, similar to this one on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrzz4sYGSVM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrzz4sYGSVM)

There was a great one about the ramp shot that I've been searching for but cricketyard.com is now defunct and I can't find it on youtube.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Buzz on September 15, 2019, 07:54:35 AM
This is Steve Waugh and it is probably one of the best of these I have seen. Also I was at the SCG when he scored that last ball ton.
So much good stuff in this.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/11809568/steve-waugh-masterclass-former-australia-captain-on-the-art-of-test-batting-and-his-supreme-career (https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/11809568/steve-waugh-masterclass-former-australia-captain-on-the-art-of-test-batting-and-his-supreme-career)
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: ppccopener on September 15, 2019, 11:12:54 AM
Thanks for posting, very good.
Much admired even thou he scored so many against us.

The small step movement just to transfer weight maybe something a few of us have worked on
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Buzz on May 20, 2021, 09:12:03 PM
https://youtu.be/ehWkuHa2Jkw

Athers, Hussain and Butch talking batting guards and head position.
Yes please.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: Nate on May 21, 2021, 12:18:42 AM
Cracking watch that Buzz, would be interesting to see if the modes of dismissal have actually changed that much given the change in technique.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: SouthpawMark on May 21, 2021, 12:49:58 PM
https://youtu.be/ehWkuHa2Jkw

Athers, Hussain and Butch talking batting guards and head position.
Yes please.

Really good video. Poor old Sam Robson must wonder what heís done to those three to have his technique ripped to shreds on national telly, but itís a great discussion on a really questionable technique.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: LEACHY48 on May 21, 2021, 01:07:29 PM
Buzz already knows my thoughts on this video.

But batting on off stump is not in itself a questionable technique.

Robsons problem is that his head falls over and so he misses straight balls.

Shane Watson did this and batted on leg stump but was out LBW More than any other dismissal.

Your guard is categorically not the reason you are getting LBW, your head almost definitely is.

Batting on off stump doesnít change your head, and neither does batting on leg stump.

As for Butcher saying that this technique ďis just wrongĒ I wonder if he is aware that the only 2 players to average over 60 in test cricket in the last decade currently adopt this approach.

Kane Williamson - who most regard as the most technically adept player on the circuit, bats outside off stump!

If your fundamentals arenít in check, you will get out wherever you bat. All that video shows is that more county batsman nowadays donít play straight because they fall over, and donít have their fundamentals in check.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: ppccopener on May 21, 2021, 01:07:51 PM
Really good video. Poor old Sam Robson must wonder what heís done to those three to have his technique ripped to shreds on national telly, but itís a great discussion on a really questionable technique.

Totally agree, if there are so many batsmen using this technique(there clearly are) then use 4 or 5 different ones not just Robson.
I'm firmly against following the MCC rule out as a Bible, but there are some basics you must do if your going to score runs, how you stand,backlift,head position all key.

If your standing on off as a right hander I can't see how you can hit straight without your bat coming from gully across the ball....clearly the players using this can do, it just seems flawed.

I thought Butch was blowing a gasket at one point  :)

Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: LEACHY48 on May 21, 2021, 01:08:41 PM
Buzz already knows my thoughts on this video.

But batting on off stump is not in itself a questionable technique.

Robsons problem is that his head falls over and so he misses straight balls.

Shane Watson did this and batted on leg stump but was out LBW More than any other dismissal.

Your guard is categorically not the reason you are getting LBW, your head almost definitely is. Your guard also doesnít change your head alignment in relation to your body.

Batting on off stump doesnít change your head, and neither does batting on leg stump.

As for Butcher saying that this technique ďis just wrongĒ I wonder if he is aware that the only 2 players to average over 60 in test cricket in the last decade currently adopt this approach.

Kane Williamson - who most regard as the most technically adept player on the circuit, bats outside off stump!

If your fundamentals arenít in check, you will get out wherever you bat. All that video shows is that more county batsman nowadays donít play straight because they fall over, and donít have their fundamentals in check.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: LEACHY48 on May 21, 2021, 01:11:15 PM
Totally agree, if there are so many batsmen using this technique(there clearly are) then use 4 or 5 different ones not just Robson.
I'm firmly against following the MCC rule out as a Bible, but there are some basics you must do if your going to score runs, how you stand,backlift,head position all key.

If your standing on off as a right hander I can't see how you can hit straight without your bat coming from gully across the ball....clearly the players using this can do, it just seems flawed.

I thought Butch was blowing a gasket at one point  :)

You hit straight the same way you would if your batting on leg? The shot doesnít change.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: ppccopener on May 21, 2021, 01:18:55 PM
You hit straight the same way you would if your batting on leg? The shot doesnít change.

Ok...whereís you head thou in the stance. If your on off isnít your head naturally going to be outside off stump?
Or have I missed something?
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: LEACHY48 on May 21, 2021, 01:36:38 PM
Ok...whereís you head thou in the stance. If your on off isnít your head naturally going to be outside off stump?
Or have I missed something?

No, I stand with my right eye over my back leg (right handed) so wherever my back leg goes, my right eye stays over my back leg.

If you stand on leg with your eyes over off youíre already losing the battle?

Itís nigh on impossible to pick your head back up after it starts to fall over, and if your head is outside the line of your body then youíre already in the mire!

So, if I stand on off, my right eye stays on off, and my left eye and foot are on middle/middle and off.

Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: mo_town on May 21, 2021, 01:39:36 PM
Surely they could have found a clip of Atherton playing an inswinger if they wanted to compare the techniques :D. Maybe Atherton playing against Waqar/Donald!
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: edge on May 21, 2021, 02:08:41 PM
Didn't think much of that to be honest! 20min of shredding Robson for falling over and playing across one, and somehow it gets blamed on where he's standing? If he stood on leg and fell over straight ones like that he'd just get bowled instead (see Bairstow, J). A proper conversation about why batting on off is getting more popular would have been a lot more interesting. Key would have added a lot here I think.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: mo_town on May 21, 2021, 03:09:40 PM
It literally felt like an 'old guard' vs 'new guard' debate :D. Ideally it would have been nice to have someone who is pro 'new guard' in the discussion to get an opposing view.
It did seem unfair to target Robson. Isnt he among runs this season?
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: brokenbat on May 21, 2021, 06:55:56 PM
Buzz already knows my thoughts on this video.

But batting on off stump is not in itself a questionable technique.

Robsons problem is that his head falls over and so he misses straight balls.

Shane Watson did this and batted on leg stump but was out LBW More than any other dismissal.

Your guard is categorically not the reason you are getting LBW, your head almost definitely is.

Batting on off stump doesnít change your head, and neither does batting on leg stump.

As for Butcher saying that this technique ďis just wrongĒ I wonder if he is aware that the only 2 players to average over 60 in test cricket in the last decade currently adopt this approach.

Kane Williamson - who most regard as the most technically adept player on the circuit, bats outside off stump!

If your fundamentals arenít in check, you will get out wherever you bat. All that video shows is that more county batsman nowadays donít play straight because they fall over, and donít have their fundamentals in check.

Absolutely spot on! Steve Smith is another one who rarely gets LBW despite batting on/outside off. They should compare him and Williamson to the rest and show WHY Robson etc are struggling to hit straight balls. The guard is irrelevant- if your head falls over or if you plant your front foot, then obviously a leg stump guard is better, but youíre just papering over a key flaw in technique.
Title: Re: Batting Master Class videos
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on May 21, 2021, 09:28:29 PM
Didn't think much of that to be honest! 20min of shredding Robson for falling over and playing across one, and somehow it gets blamed on where he's standing? If he stood on leg and fell over straight ones like that he'd just get bowled instead (see Bairstow, J). A proper conversation about why batting on off is getting more popular would have been a lot more interesting. Key would have added a lot here I think.

This

Iíd take lbw over clean bowled Bairstow every single game

Itís not the technique or tactical position problem.. quite simply the batsmen arenít very good .. unlike smith Etc

Bairstow stands leg side and gets cleaned up so hardly any better.