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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2021, 08:04:23 AM »

Should be banned for a few FC games at the least and any white ball games in between (as that will hurt him and the team more). Dock all match pts from the game and award some to the losing side to ensure Hampshire get the message that cheaters in their ranks wont be tolerated


Of course, I expect bigger all to happen.. few poxy words from the ecb.. something about lvl 1 pts and nothing to see here, we are happy with having gamesmanship like football now sells init

With QDK also cheating recently its just proving that sadly, WAAC is ahead of playing fair.. its trickled into amateur cricket through football and will only get worse and worse unless felt with harshly
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2021, 08:35:12 AM »

Should be banned for a year. Blatant cheating that the likes of Warner and Smith would be proud of.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2021, 10:21:34 AM »

Should be banned for a year. Blatant cheating that the likes of Warner and Smith would be proud of.

It's not quite the same though is it? Smith, Warner and Bancroft were pre-meditated actions, this was a spur of the moment thing where he should have owned up to the error when he realised the stumping had been given. IMO It is worthy of some sort of sanction but it isn't as serious as the Aussie incident.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2021, 10:36:03 AM »

Its times like these when the character of a sportsman is revealed. Any honest cricketer would have just come forward and said himself that it isnt out.
It does beg the question....dont these matches have a third umpire? Surely they must have one at the county level for close run out calls. If there was one, why didnt he just let the on field umpires know what had happened.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2021, 10:47:47 AM »

It's not quite the same though is it? Smith, Warner and Bancroft were pre-meditated actions, this was a spur of the moment thing where he should have owned up to the error when he realised the stumping had been given. IMO It is worthy of some sort of sanction but it isn't as serious as the Aussie incident.

Disagree. If you are a keeper you are fully aware of the rules regarding needing to have the ball in the correct hand. He knowingly took the bails off with the wrong hand, knowingly appealed having taken the bails off with the wrong hand, and then didnt say a word until it was revealed in grainy slow motion replays that he had cheated and was bang to rights. He had so many opportunities to do the right thing, and failed to take any of those opportunities. To me, its the same blatant disregard for the rules as sandpaper-gate, the only difference is the lack of pre-meditation.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2021, 11:01:46 AM »

How is this different to not walking when you know you have snicked off? But in these cases people seem to think its ok to leave the decision up to the umpire.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2021, 11:05:31 AM »

Hes playing today. I hope the Middlesexians give him hell when he comes in to bat.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2021, 11:07:18 AM »

Think the fact it wasn't premeditated is pretty significant, not just a technicality. If you go out with a plan to cheat, IMO that is much worse than doing something wrong in the heat of the moment.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2021, 11:13:09 AM »

Think the fact it wasn't premeditated is pretty significant, not just a technicality. If you go out with a plan to cheat, IMO that is much worse than doing something wrong in the heat of the moment.

Yes agreed. It was intentional cheating. It was one of those spur of the moment things. Having said that, he fully knew what he did and he could have been honest about it on the field which he didnt. That was poor.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2021, 11:15:33 AM »

Think the fact it wasn't premeditated is pretty significant, not just a technicality. If you go out with a plan to cheat, IMO that is much worse than doing something wrong in the heat of the moment.

Perhaps. However, its how you deal with it. All he had to do was say to the batter, his captain or one of the umpires that it wasnt out (which he would have known immediately), and the batter would have continued, and McManus would have been applauded for his honesty. He failed to do so, and now rightly has a reputation as a cheat, which will be incredibly hard to shift. He may not have gone out with a plan to cheat, but the way he dealt with the whole situation tells you a lot about his character.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2021, 11:16:00 AM »

i feel like this is the first time he's been caught, rather than the first time he has done it. No way did he not know the rules, nor was he unaware the ball wasnt in the hand.

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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2021, 11:36:15 AM »

1 of the batsman who always walked, not waited for umpire's finger🙂 is Majid Khan.
Except for his last inning when didn't walk but was given out, we all were convinced that's he's out!
Which batters do you know who always walked?
Are they less cheaters than LM?
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2021, 11:41:06 AM »

1 of the batsman who always walked, not waited for umpire's finger🙂 is Majid Khan.
Except for his last inning when didn't walk but was given out, we all were convinced that's he's out!
Which batters do you know who always walked?
Are they less cheaters than LM?

Yes they are, as they are leaving it in the hands of the umpires to make a decision. Not walking isnt cheating IMO. For a better comparison, Id perhaps ask about bowlers who appeal for caught behind, knowing full well that the batter hadnt hit it.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2021, 11:55:53 AM »

How is this different to not walking when you know you have snicked off? But in these cases people seem to think its ok to leave the decision up to the umpire.

This is a very good point.
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