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Title: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: The Doctor on June 17, 2016, 03:59:07 PM
Hello chaps and chapesses (not sure if that is a word,or if i is spelt correctly).

We have made a few pro bats recently whom shall remain nameless, but will call them player X, player Y and player Z.

This seems o be latest trend on the pro circuit, and wanted to get your view on the shorter blade / longer handle bat. I have been thinking about blade length vs handle length for a while and the mathematical "golden rule" - and have been persuading myself that actually the standard blade length is wrong, and that actually the blade should be shorter. I won't go into my theories at risk of altering people's vote in the above poll, although maybe the mention of Pro's and golden rules might already have done so.

Look forward to seeing the results and discussing my thoughts further with you all.

Streaky
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Buzz on June 17, 2016, 04:15:14 PM
Hi Streaky, Joe Root is using a shorter blade and it works for him.
Personally as someone who is relatively tall and who holds the bat lower down the bat handle I really struggle with a shorter blade as I fall over a bit and it feels wrong.

I have always used a short handle in matches, but like the idea of a longer blade.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: SteffanLangholz on June 17, 2016, 04:22:15 PM
Only tried regular. I do want to try a shorter blade version. Never seem to utilize the top 2inches og the bat, why not move the meat if the balance stays the same!
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Jaffa on June 17, 2016, 04:23:56 PM
Good to see the norm being challenged.

From what I've seen with a shorter blade route only really suits a better batsman. The more average amongst us will and do get caught out trying to block a ball that stays low. Timing needs to be adjusted which should be easier for the younger and embedded in the older player (generally).

I do think though they might suit either a younger or older player. They appreciate the better pick-up compared to the weight. Both then get more 'purchase' for their shots in these big hitter times.

Myself, I'm in the middle ground who's getting older so my next bat is a long blade.

That's my theory anyway.

Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: tim2000s on June 17, 2016, 04:36:33 PM
AS long as the overall length of the bat is the same as a Long blade, I'd go with the shorter blade as it puts more wood in the hitting area (and I got my first 50 with  a shorter blade bat), but I need the extra length on yorkers.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Batbuddy99 on June 17, 2016, 04:40:42 PM
AS long as the overall length of the bat is the same as a Long blade, I'd go with the shorter blade as it puts more wood in the hitting area (and I got my first 50 with  a shorter blade bat), but I need the extra length on yorkers.
You guys technically have that as an option anyway in a long handle don't you?
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: dannyhall04 on June 17, 2016, 04:56:31 PM
LB seems to work well for a lad my height - I feel like I'm falling over using anything else now. So I'd need a short blade and an XX-long handle to keep the same ratio, @thedoctor; I'll leave it with you mate! ;)
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: edge on June 17, 2016, 05:16:39 PM
I've tried all 3 if you include limited use of my mongoose, have scored runs with all varieties. Never liked long handle though so haven't tried that.. As I'm tall a standard length bat is only just long enough, am seriously considering trying a short blade bat with extra long handle next to make it up to a total slightly longer than normal, recently bought a bat that's about half an inch longer than standard and it feels noticeably more comfortable in the stance. So not sure what I should vote for!
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Bats_Galore on June 17, 2016, 06:14:17 PM
Anything but long blade. Whilst tall, I don't ground the bat in my stance, hence not an issue, and the pick up on long blades is much worse than standard, as such in theory shorter blade should be better, but in truth I don't find a massive difference.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: thedevil on June 17, 2016, 06:16:00 PM
I originally started with a longer handle shorter blade bat was a custom UZI style and absolutely loved it. I then got another and needed the handle replacing due to a split....a standard handle was put in and it picks up like a dream and have had this combo (short blade, standard handle) ever since. Not really bothered about it not being as long in length as it feels so great and I don't believe that the extra on the toe would ever have helped me that much
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: tim2000s on June 17, 2016, 06:42:20 PM
You guys technically have that as an option anyway in a long handle don't you?
Technically you do, but usually LH bats have bad weight distribution. If I was going XLH, SB, then I'd want something with more mass around the shoulders than you tend to see on LH.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 17, 2016, 08:19:41 PM
Short  blade as  it's easier for me to bat with also no problem digging out Yorkers
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on June 17, 2016, 08:35:24 PM
I've used Standard blade SH's, Short Blade Long Handle SHs and a Standard Blade LH.

To be honest unless you're using something like a paddle or a mongoose the shorter blade doesn't make a huge difference (and in some cases, if you weren't told about it you wouldn't even notice).

I'd happily use pretty much anything, but when buying bats I tend to go for a standard size short handle. That's the most readily available, and is what most people therefore see as a "normal dimension bat".
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: jwebber86 on June 17, 2016, 08:35:40 PM
i have used a standard length bat for the majority of my play and have always liked it. ive been tempted to get a long blade bat but never actually bought one. i think at 6ft2 it could be useful.

ive netted a couple of times with my dads long handle and can tell the difference but it just didnt quite feel right.

for most of my t20 cricket for the last few years i have used my mongoose mmi3. i dont think it makes me play any differently and too be honest i feel really comfortable using it and have thought about using it on saturdays in the league just havent had the courage yet
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: uknsaunders on June 17, 2016, 08:39:35 PM
Using shorter blades and works for me. Only danger is if they get too short and you start playing over Yorkers.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on June 17, 2016, 08:44:00 PM
Using shorter blades and works for me. Only danger is if they get too short and you start playing over Yorkers.

Don't ask for a size 4 then, Nick  ;)
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: InternalTraining on June 17, 2016, 09:03:05 PM
I am short. 5-6''. Shorter blade bats work for me. I have used size 6 bats well (with size 3 blades). I have also used CA SSH bats (with a shorter blade). Bat speed of a size 6 bat is amazing! For SSH and SH bats, I had to get stronger. :D No problem with yorkers.

Proportionally, if you compare tall batsmen and their use of an SH bat, it makes sense for a short batsman to use a shorter bat. Tall guys like Cook, KP, Hales, use bats that look like size 5 bats compared to their long (6 foot + ) frames. Why are shorter batsman using same length bats as these tall guys? Makes no sense to me. There is too much unnecessary tradition in cricket and people dare not stand out of the crowd. Hence, same length bats even if they drag on the pitch and impede a flow of a proper drive; oversize and heavy pads instead of something lighter and more comfortable like an Aero leg guard.

CA has been making shorter blade bats for years and they are very popular. The reason is simple: they work!
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: The Doctor on June 18, 2016, 09:03:11 AM


Proportionally, if you compare tall batsmen and their use of an SH bat, it makes sense for a short batsman to use a shorter bat. Tall guys like Cook, KP, Hales, use bats that look like size 5 bats compared to their long (6 foot + ) frames. Why are shorter batsman using same length bats as these tall guys? Makes no sense to me.



Exactly my thoughts - there should be an optimum length dependant on your size........
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 18, 2016, 09:18:27 AM
Yes that's my reasoning at 5ft 6inches sometimes use a 2lb 4 ounce Harrow against the quicker opening bowlers.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: ElPerro on June 19, 2016, 11:08:39 AM
I'm a shade over 6ft 2 and started using a WarBird this season and after the first net didn't really notice the difference between that and my old match bat which was a standard short handle.

It's a shame i got one too heavy for me, thought I'd try a 3lb bat, but with a bit of weight reduction itll be fine.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 19, 2016, 11:35:59 AM
Just Watched A video of the GN legend which showed the weight as 2lb 8 but picked up much lighter
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: sanredrose on June 20, 2016, 04:21:24 PM
I am 5ft8inches and i am open to trying out a bat with a slightly shorter blade. I would still prefer handle length to be same as short handle.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: northernboy1987 on June 29, 2016, 08:01:23 AM
I've always been tempted to try a shorter blade/longer handle combo, might do it on my next bat.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Jlscarroll17 on June 29, 2016, 08:17:46 AM
I'm open to trying a a shorter blade, but just don't like the thought of having a longer handle I would much prefer a standard length handle instead of feeling less confident with my hands being all over the place with the varying lengths
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Contrails on October 06, 2016, 02:53:01 AM
I am 5 foot 8 inches tall and I pulled the trigger on a 1/2 inch shorter blade and Super Short handle bat this time (Laver n Wood).  The bat is almost an inch shorter than standard SH bat.  But in return I get an amazing amazing pick up with a mid-low sweet spot and faster bat speed. The spine peaks at 70mm with 35mm edges so it has the power when I middle it.  The other thing I noticed, it's improved my balance because I am using such a light weight bat. A couple of yorkers have got me but if I make a conscious decision to keep the bat down, I can defend against the yorkers. I have also started holding the bat a little higher with my bottom hand positioning.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: avkrish on October 06, 2016, 04:46:08 AM
I am 5 foot 8 inches tall and I pulled the trigger on a 1/2 inch shorter blade and Super Short handle bat this time (Laver n Wood).  The bat is almost an inch shorter than standard SH bat.  But in return I get an amazing amazing pick up with a mid-low sweet spot and faster bat speed. The spine peaks at 70mm with 35mm edges so it has the power when I middle it.  The other thing I noticed, it's improved my balance because I am using such a light weight bat. A couple of yorkers have got me but if I make a conscious decision to keep the bat down, I can defend against the yorkers. I have also started holding the bat a little higher with my bottom hand positioning.

Would love to see a few photos of the bat
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Seniorplayer on October 06, 2016, 08:48:19 AM
I am 5 foot 8 inches tall and I pulled the trigger on a 1/2 inch shorter blade and Super Short handle bat this time (Laver n Wood).  The bat is almost an inch shorter than standard SH bat.  But in return I get an amazing amazing pick up with a mid-low sweet spot and faster bat speed. The spine peaks at 70mm with 35mm edges so it has the power when I middle it.  The other thing I noticed, it's improved my balance because I am using such a light weight bat. A couple of yorkers have got me but if I make a conscious decision to keep the bat down, I can defend against the yorkers. I have also started holding the bat a little higher with my bottom hand positioning.

All my bats are those spec and have been for a while  for the reasons you have stated the one difference is though being shorter  than 5-8   Yorkers are easier to play with an high back lift
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: joeyfivebags on October 06, 2016, 10:12:47 AM
I am 5 foot 8 inches tall and I pulled the trigger on a 1/2 inch shorter blade and Super Short handle bat this time (Laver n Wood).  The bat is almost an inch shorter than standard SH bat.  But in return I get an amazing amazing pick up with a mid-low sweet spot and faster bat speed. The spine peaks at 70mm with 35mm edges so it has the power when I middle it.  The other thing I noticed, it's improved my balance because I am using such a light weight bat. A couple of yorkers have got me but if I make a conscious decision to keep the bat down, I can defend against the yorkers. I have also started holding the bat a little higher with my bottom hand positioning.

This sounds interesting, might have to get something made up like this, never use the top inch of the handle so might as well get rid.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Biggie Smalls on October 06, 2016, 01:37:14 PM
Either a s.h with an inch cut off the top of the handle or a c.a s.h with 0.5 inch cut off the top of the handle . I'm 6ft2. Each to their own , huh ? When I was 16yo I was given a cracking bat , but it was an academy size (was fully grown/same height) . I used it for 2 seasons and it was fine . My next bat was a s.h and it felt weird for a few months....like trying to bat with a long broom. Goes to show what you can get used to and that 'normal' means little , comfortable and effective mean a great deal though.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Stratts on October 08, 2016, 06:11:27 PM
I've just started the discussions with David at B3 as I want to try a shorter blade, but I have little idea what this means in reality and what handle to go for.

I'm 170cm (5'7") tall and grip the bat halfway up a SH normally, and need to rely on bat speed more, plus I sometimes catch the bat on the ground when driving. I think a normal SH is still required plus it will help with pick up, so I'm plumping most likely for Harrow length blade.

Long answer to a short question - shorter blade but normal SH I think.

Do we always need to take the length off of the toe though? Appreciate pick up may be different, but has anyone taken it off of the shoulders?
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Bat and Ball Cricket on October 10, 2016, 04:55:29 AM
Streaky, I'm 6 3'ish. I'll be honest, I've never 'owned' anything other than a 'SH' bat, since moving to men's sized equipment in the late 90's.

I'm very much a 'feel' cricketer, with both batting and bowling. Bat dead weight doesn't play a huge impact so long as the pick up feels right (used 2'8 three seasons ago, currently using just on 2'12.5).
I got my height about the same time i started playing mens cricket at 14/15yrs and everyone suggested i should move to a LB. Heading that direction, i just couldn't get a long blade that 'felt' right.

I haven't encounter many Short Blade-long handles and the couple that i have, were lower middle bats which i wouldn't have liked were they SH anyway.
Having had a look at my bat after my last innings (my OCD makes me clean all cherries off before each day of cricket), i think less than 10% of marks were in the bottom third of the playing surface, so i guess it makes more sense to having a shorter blade.

Having said that, i did jam out a yorker right on the toe.

In my 30's, unlikely to see me change now.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: adb club cricketer on October 14, 2016, 06:11:45 PM
I am 5'10'' and I have always used SH and have been scoring lot of runs. Recently I tried the newbery kudos which is about an inch shorter blade and the corresponding inch longer handle 

I found that with the shorter blade bat, if I held at same distance from shoulder as a standard bat i.e. an inch from shoulder of the bat, it has great pickup but I was getting bowled by yorkers as I had to bend to put the bat fully down which also caused me to fall off. So I tried holding the bat higher up so that when I tap the bat, my stance remains the same with the short blade as regular SH. This helped me dig out yorkers without falling off but I don't feel I am in control of my shots as when I held it lower down. Also holding it higher on the handle made the pickup feel heavier than when holding it lower down.

Long story short, short blade didnt work out for me, so will stick with SH in future.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Calzehbhoy on February 15, 2017, 04:25:56 PM
Sorry to revive an older thread.

What are the 'default' blade and handle lengths for the (SH) bat options in the poll?

Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: fzrkev on February 16, 2017, 04:16:14 PM
When referring to a short blade, how much shorter is this than a standard SH and what roughly is the impact on given weight?
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: The Doctor on February 16, 2017, 04:23:21 PM
When referring to a short blade, how much shorter is this than a standard SH and what roughly is the impact on given weight?

0.5 inch and 3/4 oz (dependent on shape).
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Calzehbhoy on February 16, 2017, 05:03:19 PM
What is a standard SH blade and handle length @The Doctor ?
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Sivlar13 on February 16, 2017, 05:24:28 PM
What is a standard SH blade and handle length @The Doctor ?

Standard blade length is 555mm isn't it? Going with what GM say anyway!
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Calzehbhoy on February 16, 2017, 07:03:32 PM
So 21.5 inches would be a regular SH blade length? So I assume 21 inches would be short blade?

Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Sivlar13 on February 16, 2017, 07:06:13 PM
So 21.5 inches would be a regular SH blade length? So I assume 21 inches would be short blade?

540 I believe is the Mana "shorter blade" shape!
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: The Doctor on February 17, 2017, 12:58:42 PM
Standard blade length is 555mm isn't it? Going with what GM say anyway!

picking hairs but it is 552mm
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: FattusCattus on February 17, 2017, 01:16:05 PM
I think the Joker style set up was the best - I believe it was full SH length but with a 25mm shorter blade.

I'd love another one of those!
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Chalkie on February 17, 2017, 04:49:34 PM
Hello chaps and chapesses (not sure if that is a word,or if i is spelt correctly).

We have made a few pro bats recently whom shall remain nameless, but will call them player X, player Y and player Z.

This seems o be latest trend on the pro circuit, and wanted to get your view on the shorter blade / longer handle bat. I have been thinking about blade length vs handle length for a while and the mathematical "golden rule" - and have been persuading myself that actually the standard blade length is wrong, and that actually the blade should be shorter. I won't go into my theories at risk of altering people's vote in the above poll, although maybe the mention of Pro's and golden rules might already have done so.

Look forward to seeing the results and discussing my thoughts further with you all.

Streaky

Streaky, I'm 6'3 and want to try a longer bat than standard SH, does the 'golden rule' mean I should try a LH rather than LB, or as have some suggested is it harder to get the balance right on an LH?

I tend to prefer a high middle bat if that makes a difference?




Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: The Doctor on February 17, 2017, 04:56:45 PM
Streaky, I'm 6'3 and want to try a longer bat than standard SH, does the 'golden rule' mean I should try a LH rather than LB, or as have some suggested is it harder to get the balance right on an LH?

I tend to prefer a high middle bat if that makes a difference?

A lot depends on how you hold the bat - or more specifically where you reference your grip.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Chalkie on February 17, 2017, 05:02:51 PM
With an SH I hold at the top, with left hand against the knob, would probably do the same with longer bat.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: edge on February 17, 2017, 05:20:59 PM
Streaky, I'm 6'3 and want to try a longer bat than standard SH, does the 'golden rule' mean I should try a LH rather than LB, or as have some suggested is it harder to get the balance right on an LH?

I tend to prefer a high middle bat if that makes a difference?
I'm in the same boat height wise and have thought about an unusual combo - inch shorter blade, inch and a half longer handle to come out 1/2 longer in total. Did the sums and that's pretty close to the golden ratio 👍
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Jaffa on February 17, 2017, 05:29:47 PM
I'm in the same boat height wise and have thought about an unusual combo - inch shorter blade, inch and a half longer handle to come out 1/2 longer in total. Did the sums and that's pretty close to the golden ratio 👍

I wonder how the golden ratio works with us humans. Are we in perfect balance or do we need an out of balance bat to counter that?
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: The Doctor on February 17, 2017, 05:32:11 PM
With an SH I hold at the top, with left hand against the knob, would probably do the same with longer bat.

You would get away with having a longer handle then (as apposed to a Longer blade) as this would add less weight - we could also look at a shorter blade option with a longer handle as suggested below as this would reduce the overall weight but hopefully keep a similar pick up.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Gurujames on February 17, 2017, 06:41:22 PM
These are my 'shorter blade' bats alongside my NV. The red ink is about 15mm shorter, the other, a Bulldog, about 50mm shorter. Don't really have any strong opinions either way, just thought I'd share a photo.

(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah231/gurujames1/IMG_0154_zpsvluzt0ur.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/gurujames1/media/IMG_0154_zpsvluzt0ur.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Chalkie on February 17, 2017, 08:23:20 PM
I believe that @petehosk like to use an LB, where as @tim2000s prefers LH, is that correct, and keen to understand people's view on the differences between the two in terms of balance and does it depend on the middle position?

Tim is your xp80 and LH or SH?
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: roco on February 17, 2017, 08:28:07 PM
I use long blade at 6ft4 and will never go back to sh

I found long handles picked up wrong for me as I don't like weight further from my hands

I found long blade perfect as raised middle on bat and helped with stance
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: FattusCattus on February 17, 2017, 09:12:38 PM
I use long blade at 6ft4 and will never go back to sh

I found long blades picked up wrong for me as I don't like weight further from my hands

I found long blade perfect as raised middle on bat and helped with stance

You might want to look at this post oh Hairy one! Do you mean long blade worked and long handle didn;t?
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: roco on February 17, 2017, 09:18:29 PM
You might want to look at this post oh Hairy one! Do you mean long blade worked and long handle didn;t?

Doh

What would I do without you sir
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: FattusCattus on February 17, 2017, 09:24:18 PM
I use long blade at 6ft4 and will never go back to sh

I found long handles picked up wrong for me as I don't like weight further from my hands

I found long blade perfect as raised middle on bat and helped with stance

This is a post from someone with a Prince Albert - ie, they are uncomfortable with the extra weight at the end of the shaft and work better with the batting equivalent of a cock-ring, ie the weight nearer the top of their weapon.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: roco on February 17, 2017, 09:30:11 PM
This is a post from someone with a Prince Albert - ie, they are uncomfortable with the extra weight at the end of the shaft and work better with the batting equivalent of a cock-ring, ie the weight nearer the top of their weapon.

I'm lost for words

#classicbruce
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: FattusCattus on February 17, 2017, 09:41:50 PM
You know I speak the truth.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: tim2000s on February 20, 2017, 11:42:28 AM
I believe that @petehosk like to use an LB, where as @tim2000s prefers LH, is that correct, and keen to understand people's view on the differences between the two in terms of balance and does it depend on the middle position?

Tim is your xp80 and LH or SH?
No, I'm an LB user. My XP80 is LB.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: Kulli on February 20, 2017, 12:11:15 PM
I guess it mostly depends if you hold the handle in relation to the top of the handle or the shoulders.

My grips in relation to the shoulders so I found LH no use at all whereas I didn't really notice a difference with a LB.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: DorsetDan on February 20, 2017, 12:28:49 PM
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I guess it mostly depends if you hold the handle in relation to the top of the handle or the shoulders.

I would argue it is hand position relative to the bottom of the bat that is important (i.e. can you position your hands to get a comfortable stance with the bat not too high or low from the ground) and then secondly, once in that position is the balance and feel good.

IMO it makes no difference how long or short the handle or blade are, so long as my hands are the right height up from the toe and the balance of the overall bat feels good. The only pointless thing for me would be LH as the top of the handle would just get in the way. As the blades and handles get longer you are also potentially adding dead weight. That said, I could place my hands where I want them equally well on a Harrow and a LB but an off the shelf bat in these two sizes will have massively different balance/ feel.
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: adb club cricketer on February 21, 2017, 05:15:23 AM
I guess it mostly depends if you hold the handle in relation to the top of the handle or the shoulders.

Same with me, I hold in relation to shoulder of bat, any other way (holding higher or lower to compensate for shorter/longer blade) just didnt feel right..So anything other than regular SH hasn't worked for me...

However, those who hold in relation to top of handle will find the short blade perfectly fine I would think..
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: DorsetDan on February 21, 2017, 08:54:28 AM
I suspect you use the shoulders as a reference of where to place the hands as this gives the best balance/ feel of the bat or maybe it is just habit. It would be interesting to see if a custom bat with different proportions but the same balance meant you still place your hands in the same place relative to the shoulders (where the balance would now feel different but the hands would look the same) or relative to the toe/ top of handle (where the hands might look odd at first but the balance would stay the same). I guess it all depends on how these bats of different proportions are designed and I do agree that all off the shelf shorter blade bats I've tried have the balance out of whack for me
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: DorsetDan on May 18, 2017, 08:00:27 PM
Reviving an old thread but an interesting one when thinking about custom bats.

Picked up a very interesting bat recently from the forum, just under 2.14, shorter blade, 50+mm edges...

Just as I suspected I found myself holding it in the same place relative to the toe as other bats, ie further from the shoulders. I didn't like the balance of other shorter blades when doing this, but this particular bat felt spot on which goes with my original thinking that it doesn't really matter how long the blade or handle is so long as you can hold the bat ok in your normal stance and the balance feels good when holding in that place on the handle.

... anyway... it is the same length blade and about 10mm longer overall compared to a size 6. Now there's no way I'd buy it being told it is a 2.14 size 6 but it just works on this particular bat.

Point of the ramble is when you break down the numbers of various sizes there isn't actually that much between them and I think there is a lot of scope to play around with bat dimensions and not accept the norm

[dreaming]I wonder if my next custom 2.14 monster size 6 will qualify for junior prices[/dreaming]
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: procricket on May 18, 2017, 08:05:18 PM
bet it was designed by a genius
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: DorsetDan on May 18, 2017, 08:08:41 PM
bet it was designed by a genius

Or someone who things a size 6 is a normal sized bat  :D

To be fair, it is genius how it all comes together and not many people would mess around with bats as much as that as on paper everything about it seems wrong

edit: the size 6 I compared it to belonged to a scrawny 14 year old only a touch shorter than me who was convinced he'd grown out of it and needed a Harrow. Funny thing was he batted 30 mins with this 2.13-2.14 claiming it was lighter than his own and absolutely loved it
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: procricket on May 18, 2017, 08:09:57 PM
key is shoulders and toe ratio...
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: sarg on May 19, 2017, 03:50:59 AM
key is shoulders and toe ratio...


Is that 2 shoulders :1 Toe Dave? Just kidding. Do you mean height?
Title: Re: Long Blade / Standard / Short blade
Post by: procricket on May 19, 2017, 04:56:54 PM


Is that 2 shoulders :1 Toe Dave? Just kidding. Do you mean height?

Come on Marc you done enough videos to understand what i mean.

As a bat designer of a few pro players bats both via copying and adapting models which is pretty much what every body does.

Trott bat was the source and the rest came from a idea of equilateral

Or basically balance of wood and precived middle meeting the actual middle.