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Title: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: six and out on August 09, 2017, 11:30:18 AM
Hi all,

As you may have seen on the 'Your 2017 Season' thread i have recently had some very frustrating games - to the extent that i believe the rules in the league i play in (Four Counties) need to change.

Therefore i am hoping to propose at the League AGM a change to the overs, points, go to win/lose etc... not sure yet.

I want to do some research into what might be the best way forwards for the league, so was wondering what you all play?

Do you play win/lose or is a draw available?
How many overs?
What is the points system? eg. How many for a win etc...
Any other comments about it being good/bad etc...

Thanks

Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: tom line on August 09, 2017, 11:43:51 AM
Play 40 overs Win/Lose cricket
Points is that you can get 15 points for a win
Bonus point for every two wickets you take
When chasing bonus points are available, 1 for getting within 90 runs of Target, 2 for within 80 and so on, so a maximum of 14 bonus points could be taken from a match without winning (9 Batting Points and 5 Bowling a Bonus points)
Maximum points from a game is 20 (15 for the win and 5 bonus bowling points) if the team doesn't have a full 11 but are all out full bowling points are awarded.

Personally a big fan of the points system as means even if you're not going to win you can still get points and bonus batting points encourages teams to go for the score
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: smilley792 on August 09, 2017, 11:48:01 AM
46 overs. Overs do not carry over.
20 points for winner.
5 bonus points if you win and bowl the opposition out(regardless of innings) so total of 25 points.

Losing side get bonus points based on the second innings, so percentage of runs equals bonus points, or amount for wickets taken equals bonus points.

Think it's 9 available in total for that.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: northernboy1987 on August 09, 2017, 11:55:05 AM
I don't play any weekend cricket at the moment just midweek slap and tickle so 20 overs a side 2 points for a win 1 for a tie ;)
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: RF on August 09, 2017, 11:55:39 AM
We play 45 Overs per side (Max 15 Overs per bowler).
10 Points for a win
Batting Bonus Points at 120, 140, 160, 180 & 200
Bowling Bonus Points at 3 wkts, 5, 7, 9 & 10
Full 20 Points if you bowl the oppostion all out and then knock them off.
It's the best rules / points system that we've had.
Nice and simple and no winning or losing draws which can lead to very boring cricket.
Most teams (not all) play to win rather than trying to prevent the other team getting points.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: UpandOver on August 09, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
Half the season is 50 over win/lose games, 20 points for the win.
Half the season is 100 over 'timed' games. Team batting first can only bat a maximum of 55 overs (can declare any time before then). The team batting second gets the difference in overs between 100 and what the team batting first batted. The team bowling second has to get the other side all out in order to win, or it's a draw. Obviously if the total is chased that team wins. 24 points for the win in the 'timed' games. 4 points for a winning draw, 2 for a losing draw. Winning and losing draws are calculated on which side has the higher run rate.

Bonus points are awarded in all games unless you win, in which case you just get the points for winning.
1 point for 150 runs then an extra bonus point for every 25 runs up to 250.
1 point for 5 wickets then 1 each for 7, 8, 9 and 10 wickets.

I personally really like how it is. The 'timed' games can be really frustrating when a team loses a few wickets then blocks out 35-40 overs for very few runs but it's different from the win/lose matches and can actually make for some really interesting games.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Biggie Smalls on August 09, 2017, 12:01:30 PM
Two dayers ( 78 over minimum per day , sometimescan get up to 90 odd  overs if over rate is good ; you can continue to bat for 15 overs on the 2nd day) :
12pts outright win ( or 6pts each if one sidewins on first innings and the other wins outright )
6pts win
3 pts draw/tie/no result
0pts loss

One dayers ( 50 overs ) :
6pts win
3pts tie/no result
0pts loss
1 bonus point if you get the runs within 40 overs, 2 bonus points if you get the runs within 25 overs
1 bonus point if you bowl them out for 50 runs less than your total, 2 bonus points if you bowl them out for 100 runs less than your total
Same powerplays/fielding restrictions as international o.d.i .
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: InternalTraining on August 09, 2017, 12:01:56 PM
Some interesting rules. :)
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: wcc on August 09, 2017, 12:08:46 PM
Timed cricket with winning and losing draws.
105 overs.
First innings 55 over max.
18 points for a win and you can get upto a total of 30 points based on alot of different factors.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: geeders on August 09, 2017, 12:13:22 PM
46 overs each
12 points for a win
bonus points for 120,140,160 and 180 runs
bonus point for 3,5,7 and 9 wickets
10 points for a winning draw
2 points for a losing draw
6 points for tie/abandoned game

so 20 points maximum for a game. The bonus points does give something to play for and can make games a bit more interesting
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: csnew on August 09, 2017, 12:15:33 PM
Stupid TVL rules, win/lose/draw
52 overs max batting first, 48 batting second. 25 points either way.

Team fielding second can also take the old ball  ;)
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: iand123 on August 09, 2017, 12:21:49 PM
Kent Cricket League - Win lose draw - 46 or 50 overs (more overs the higher up), 14 overs per bowler max. 20 points if you win the toss and bat first (and win the game), 16 if you choose to bowl first. Winning draw 6 points, losing draw 0 points. Bonus points for batting are something like a point at 150, 175 and 200. Believe bolwing points are a point for 3, 5, 7 and 9 wickets taken
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: shamelessshaun on August 09, 2017, 12:38:01 PM
50 ovs a side Win/lose cricket.
10 points for a win with the losing side getting batting/bowling points for the second innings only.

Batting second you get 1 point for achieving 50% of your target, then one point for reaching 60%, 70%, 80% and 90% (5 points maximum)
Bowling second you get 1 point for 5 wickets then 1 extra per wicket after, up till 9 down obviously (5 points maximum)
A tied game is 7 points a piece.

the set up works well although bowlers can bowl 15 overs maximum, so if they have a good pro it works in their favour. I would like to see 10 overs per bowler.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: roco on August 09, 2017, 12:42:21 PM
Half season win loose half win loose draw

Win loose simple
9 overs per bowler
45 over games
20 points for a win
Bonus points at 100,125,15,175,200 bowling 2,4,6,8,10

Win loose draw

45 over game
Max 14 overs per bowler
Min 50% needed to gain draw points otherwise other side gets max points
Bonus as above
Draw is 10 points divided between depending on percentage of score achieved
Bonus 4 points if you bat first

Much prefer the win loose
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: TGB1997 on August 09, 2017, 12:45:37 PM
Kent Prem- Win/Lose 50 overs per side, fielding restrictions similar to ODI's without the 3rd power play. 10 overs per bowler and free hit for front foot no balls (its been a bit confusing this year as some umpire give all no balls as free hits and other haven't enforced this for some reason). List A/ODI wide rules are also applied.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Churchy1989 on August 09, 2017, 01:57:43 PM
And I thought my league was difficult!
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Mpt7 on August 09, 2017, 02:20:37 PM
Thames Valley League

Win/Lose cricket half the season and draw cricket the other half in div 1 & 2 - hopefully further down soon

OD rules apply

100 overs draw cricket (52/48). no bowler limits (no bowler limits are awful for so many reasons) overs carried over if not used by the batting side

25 points for a win
bonus points for every 2 wickets. max of 5
bonus points for 100-200 every 25 runs. max of 5 (10 if you bat first and don't win)

I like the mixed format but prefer the ODI stuff.

draw cricket allows you to bowl a side out that doesn't want to get out and it's the best feeling. It's so rare though and having teams not try and win is a death to cricket - if they put you must get within 10% of the overall total to get bonus points that would be more interesting.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: jblowe on August 09, 2017, 02:26:32 PM
OCA

45 overs each WIN/LOSS plus bonus points
Max of 12 overs per bowler
Independent umpires in all divisions

WIN 20 points
BATTING Max of 5 points
1st point for 70 runs
2nd point for 110 runs
3rd point for 145 runs
4th point for 175 runs
5th point for 200 runs
BOWLING Max of 5 points
1st point for second wicket
2nd point for fourth wicket
3rd point for sixth wicket
4th point for eighth wicket
5th point for final wicket (even if not the tenth or in the event of a declaration)

ABANDONED MATCHES
5 points EACH plus any bonus points won

CONCEDED GAMES
The team that did not Concede gets 30 points

Wet weather rules. a type of DWL (sort of). Minimum of 25 overs per team (unless the team batting second passes the first innings score or the first innings is declared)
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: LBWCandidate on August 09, 2017, 02:29:38 PM
T20 only - Same rules as T20 Internationals
Win/Lose or Games Washed Out
4 points for a win and 2 for Games Washed Out
Depending on the season either top 2 teams win the division or top 4 play go into semis

Hate: If semis are washed out, there is no reserve day. Team with more points progresses to finals.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: pablomarmite on August 09, 2017, 04:26:56 PM
1s play pretty close to international one day possibly bar the odd bye law difference. So 50 overs, power plays, dls etc etc. Four points for a win, two for a tie.Rained off games rearranged as a 50 over then as a 20 at a second rearrangement. 2nd half of season rearrangements go straight to 20 overs. Run rate used as well.

In 2s we play 40 overs but are allowed to reduce by 10 if both teans agree. 3s are 35 4s 30 again they are allowed to reduce by 10. There are 8 teams in a league one rearrangements as a 20 over. Same points as 1s but no run rate. If teams are tied previous year's place decides.

We have played 1 league 40 over game we normally reduce to 35 or 30.
If rearranged games are washed out they are voided so as good as a loss.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: six and out on August 09, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
It's amazing that we all play the same beautiful game and yet I don't think 2 leagues have the same rules!
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on August 09, 2017, 07:25:24 PM
50 overs, win or lose cricket.

Max of 22 points
10 points for a win
max of 5 bowling points (every 2nd wicket)
max of 7 batting points (every 25 runs starting at 125 up to 250)

If you bat 2nd you get bonus points for wickets in hand.
If the opposition have less than 11 players you get full bowling points for getting them all out.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Seniorplayer on August 10, 2017, 09:10:42 AM
First half of the season Win / Lose win 24 points if you  win lose 1 point for wickets 4 6 8 10 and 1 point for batting for runs 125 150 175 200 225 250 275
Second half of the season win/ draw/ loseing draw / winning draw
If you win the toss bat first and win you get 24 points
If you win the toss and field first and win you get 20 points.
The first half of the season usually dictates  where you finish in the division.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Biggie Smalls on August 11, 2017, 08:02:34 AM
I'm sorry , but , i can't believe the amount of comps with such overly convoluted rules /points structures ! Whatever happened to if you win you win , if you lose you lose ?  ;)
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Northern monkey on August 11, 2017, 10:20:56 AM
Yeah I agree
No wonder people get peed off with it all

Too many out of touch league committees trying too hard to over complicate what should be simple

Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Mpt7 on August 11, 2017, 10:57:48 AM
Yeah I agree
No wonder people get peed off with it all

Too many out of touch league committees trying too hard to over complicate what should be simple

Don't think it's the committees - generally it's the players who don't want to change their traditional Saturdays. it requires a vote and a change in the rules

Also think the ECB have a role to play here to make cricket more of a pyramid so that players can actually go up through the tiers instead of the closed shop it is currently. this would help standardise the game

Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on August 11, 2017, 11:46:04 AM
Don't think it's the committees - generally it's the players who don't want to change their traditional Saturdays. it requires a vote and a change in the rules

Also think the ECB have a role to play here to make cricket more of a pyramid so that players can actually go up through the tiers instead of the closed shop it is currentl. this would help standardise the game

#MakeCricketGreatAgain
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Northern monkey on August 11, 2017, 12:26:10 PM
Don't think it's the committees - generally it's the players who don't want to change their traditional Saturdays. it requires a vote and a change in the rules

Also think the ECB have a role to play here to make cricket more of a pyramid so that players can actually go up through the tiers instead of the closed shop it is currentl. this would help standardise the game



I think the newer players don't appreciate the way crickets been played and want the change to suit their lifestyles.

It is a totally different world we live and play in nowadays

I genuinely believe most league committees are stuck in the good old days mentality and would rather watch the mass exodus of teams etc than change the structures.

Not sure what the answers are going forward, definitely a standard needs to be set regarding win lose, overs allowed to be bowled , length of games etc etc
Neighbouring leagues not playing the same structure seems daft for instance
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Biggie Smalls on August 11, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
#MakeCricketGreatAgain



Can i get a red hat with this written on it ?
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: play-yourself-in on August 11, 2017, 04:11:48 PM
I don't want to have a go at the league committees because they do a huge amount of work, for free, so we can have a game of cricket each weekend.  They need to be thanked for that. The problem is, the old phrases "we've always done it like that".  I do feel that as committee members age and step down, that some leagues will start to restructure.  As much as i love the game, traveling an hour, starting at 1.30 and finishing at 9pm with no side winning does seem a bit bonkers.

Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: ppccopener on October 01, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
New format for 2018 in the Middlesex championship to follow the trials in the 2 other middx leagues last year.

From 100 over matches (55 max side batting first) with a draw possible based on run rate(4 points or 1 point) we move to half the games...beggining  and end of season at 45 overs per side win or lose with 10 points for a win,nothing for a loss-same as the 100 over points .

Fielding restrictions in for all of the innings and so I'm told umpires will be told anything down leg is a wide.

So...has anyone who has changed to this format noticed a big change in how to play? The best teams in our divsion(1) look to get after the bowling from the start. This does not help my team as we don't have any huge hitters, more accumulators-myself included.

On the face of it this makes 2018 a much harder season than 2017 when we finished mid table.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Sitonit on November 10, 2017, 07:45:42 AM
We are playing two major formats and then sub-formats

Regular hard cricket ball.
It has two subfodmats
40 overs game and 20 overs game in two separate tournaments

Then we have hard tennis ball. This is an Indian made tennis ball that is slightly heavier then a regulation cricket ball.
There are three trournaments to cover each format 12 overs, 16 overs and 20 overs.

We then have another format for entry level players.

It's played with a compression level 1 or level 5 baseball ball.
This game is lots of fun and does not require too much of an equipment or gear.
Ball flies off the bat and you can play all the classic cricket strokes.

ALL of our games are played on concrete wickets covered with green mat.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: OllieWalker39 on November 10, 2017, 10:55:39 AM
We Play 45 overs at a weekend - start 13.30, usually end circa 20.00 but can be later if teams bowl slowly or we have rain effected play. We have a weird points system, which I'm not overly keen on as it does promote negative cricket. Arguably suits me as an accumulator, but I do still go at 80-90 SR.

Points are as follows:

Win - 4 points
Loss - 0 pointsi

Batting First (wickets in hand after the completion of the innings) - 1 point
Batting Second (Wickets in hand after completion of innings and 2/3 of 1st innings total / Successful run chase) - 1 point

Bowling - Must have opposition all out. A declaration (only happened once in my recollection) is considered all out - 1 point.

Most times, you'll find the winning team take home 5 or 6 points. Personally I don't agree with the batting and bowling points and that more emphasis needs placing on winning. That will then render negative cricket pointless, and stop me wanting to paint the sight screen so I can watch it dry as someone goes blocking all day...

In terms of our games, we're usually happy to be 30/0 off 8-10 overs or 50/1 off 8-10 overs. Depending on ground obviously depends on innings total averages. We do play on pitches where the groundsman has no idea so bear that in mind with the following: Our home ground average is circa 190 as a defendable score. Arguably the biggest ground in the league, with the straight boundaries being 84m and square boundaries being approx 75m each. Basically, a good 5-10m bigger than Headingley and not even close to being as well maintained!

Summary: I think it may take a couple of seasons for people to adapt to the change, as nobody enjoys change. But in the long run, it'll probably lead to a better game of cricket and a more exciting end of season.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: moonball on November 10, 2017, 01:49:10 PM
We play 45 overs per side, win or lose cricket but with bonus points for batting and bowling. Overs limited, one bowler 15 max, anyone else 12 max. 9 points for a win. Batting points: 1, 2 and 3 points for 2, 3 and 4 runs per over or if batting second and losing, 1, 2 and 3 points for achieving 70%, 80% and 90% of the posted first innings total. However, if you win the game, you don't get any batting points. Bowling points - available to both winning and losing teams: 1 point for 5 wkts, 2 for 7 wkts and 3 points for getting a team all out. Prem and Div1 - leg side wides, but might be for Div 2 also from 2018.

The league - the Moore & Smalley Palace Shield - has a Prem Division, followed by Divs 1 to 6, with Div 6 being split into 6a and 6b, geographically. The Sunday comp, Div 1 and two Div 2s, split geographically - used as a development league.

Now then, from 2018 - the league has not merged, but has linked up with the Northern Premier League - so teams that finished top two this year (2017) will go into NPL Div 1. NPL Div 2 becomes Palace Shield Div 1b - for 2nd XIs only, and Div 1 becomes Div1a for 1st XIs only. This way you can't have your 2nd XI in the same div as your 1st XI.

We are coming up to our league's AGM, so things might change.... but possibly further down the divisions as a trial.

Junior section is massive, with several of the "local" NPL sides playing in it, plus Lytham from the Liverpool Comp.

Sunday comp - 45 overs per side, but max 9 overs per bowler.

Palace Shield is where the likes of Kerrigan, Flintoff, Tom Smith, Toby Lester, Tom Bailey came from. NPL is where the likes of Luis Reece, Croft, Gleeson came out of, and Flintoff played at St Annes once he'd left Palace Shield side Dutton Forshaw. Freddie's old man Colin is Chairman of Whittingham & Goosnargh CC and his brother Chris played for Penwortham, very decent player, nice lad.

NPL have pros, but the Palace Shield is strictly an amateur league (yes, right) although you can have one oversees amateur.

So now you know! And it's the league's presentation night tonight.... I may have a couple of beers.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: moonball on November 10, 2017, 01:50:14 PM
Blimey - start times: 1:30pm start, 1pm in September. 15 overs must be bowled in the last hour, starting at 7pm, I think....
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: OllieWalker39 on November 10, 2017, 02:14:44 PM
Similar to us then!

I prefer your batting points system, although would like to say the RPO increased to say 3, 4 and 5. That way there is an incentive to clear 200 :)

Again, prefer the bowling system as it gives more to play for towards the end of an innings. I see it all too often for us where they have no chance of bowling us all out or vice versa, and whoever is batting is ticking along at 5 an over... so the captain automatically goes right, lets put everyone out and protect the single. Couple of men in. So frustrating!

Might forward these rules to our rep at the AGM! :)
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on November 10, 2017, 05:46:03 PM
Wepl

50 overs a side and no carry over
Winlose
10overs per bowler
10pts for the win
Bonus pts for batting and bowling
One day restrictions in the field and wides etc


Northants was
50overs a side but carried over remaining first innings overs if you bowled them out or they declared
Draw
Max 25 pts  batting first win or 2for  batting second (promote the better Team to bat first to keep draw alive)
I think it was 14/15 overs per bowler
ĎNormal wide rulesí
Draw was worth something like 6 for winning or 3 for losing .. something like that


So, which is better ??  I think personally it depends what you enjoy about the game.  Do both produce boring games ? Yes does one produce more than another ? Not imo but then it depends if you clsss a 40+ run win in winlose as Ďboringí.. personally itís obvious early in those games it wonít be close and so it is just boring.

Which produces better bowlers ?
Which produces more tactical captains?
Which gives more opportunity to different styles of players?


All those questions come down to what you believe would prove more popular. I donít feel either way will raise popularity either way and whichever you choose will force a decline in players.. one way and you will believe the youth hate it.. the other and anyone who isnít a hitter or gets old is likely to drop out as they simply canít chase big totals.. plus, anyone who isnít a hitter will naturally stop playing.

I do find the belief that draws are Ďboringí or promote Ďboring cricketí amusing when there is equally nothing worse than one sided win lose games where everyone knows the result but there is nothing really for the tail of the losing side to play for . The draw keeps the game alive and as someone has said, it can create tence finishes because there is always something to fight for for everyone.


Personally Iíd have the top 5divs of any system playing 50over draw Cricket, max 12 overs per bowler, ODI wide rules and no field restrictions

30pts bat first and win
15pts bat second and win (simply to promote the better teams to bat first and keep the draw alive)
Bat first get batting pts at 150/175/200/225/250/275
Bat second 125/150/175/200/225/250/275 (extra pts to keep teams interested)
Bowling first 1pt per 2 wickets (max 5)
2nd 1pt per 2for the first sfour bats, then a pt per wicket (so max 8)

Winning draw 15pts
Losing draw 5pts

That for me would create a balance between having a batting side to score runs but also a bowling side who can actually TAKE wickets and not just rely on batters having to hit out. Mix of pts to promote good teams to go first and keep the game alive st the end with pts. Losing draw isnít worth much but itís worth enough to hopefully keep tail Enders wanting to save a game etc

Iíd create a symmetrical pyramid of a 2020league on Saturdays so that anyone who genuinely prefers the hitting game can play 2020 and clubs can decide which league system to enter based on their individual needs

Meh.. draw is dead sadly as itís been drummed into people that itís boring so itís all mute anyway. Games will get shorter and shorter and I believe shorter games wonít keep people playing so itís a hard one to solve. No one wants to play long games, and no one wants short games.. kind of stuck really
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: play-yourself-in on November 10, 2017, 06:20:08 PM
It is things like this that make cricket so wonderful but also so frustrating as well.  I can't think of any other sport that has a different scoring system depending on where it is played.

For someone like me who is obsessed with cricket i love the eccentric way the points system is made up, but then as a player i can also get very frustrated.  Any new comer to the game must be totally dumfounded.

Our league plays these rules.

If the wind blows from the west the team batting first must score only on the leg side, unless they play their joker between overs 17 and 32. In which case they can use the back of the bat to try and hit the church.

At this point the team fielding can unroll their left trouser leg and second slip is allowed move only in a diagonal line.

At tea whoever picks the all onion sandwich is declared man of the match and must down a yard of ale.

This is of course all null and void if the cows are lying down in the filed next door.  When that happens we play purely Snodsbury rules until dark where a winner is declared by the local butcher.

I bloody love cricket!!!!
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: ppccopener on November 19, 2017, 09:55:16 AM
Quick update on the rule format changes for next year first 6 games 45 overs each side win or lose, one of two bonus points available if the team batting second gets between 80 or 90 per cent of the first teams score. 10 points for a win none for a loss.

Second set of 6 games the old format where there is a draw(100 over matches) . Last set of 6 games back to the 45 over each format.

9 over max per bowler in the limited overs games.couple of things for us  to think about- we need 5 quality bowlers for sure to try to keep there rate down, there are some big hitters in our thirds (I'm in seconds div1) which may need to come up to our side.

Personally I bat middle order and I'm not a big hitter but neither a slowcoach, so I could lose my place in the team(fair enough)

But we were discussing the importance of good bowlers as priority, is anyone else looking at the 45 over games as bowling being more important than the batting? You cannot constantly chase 250 every week.....
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on November 19, 2017, 12:51:16 PM
Quick update on the rule format changes for next year first 6 games 45 overs each side win or lose, one of two bonus points available if the team batting second gets between 80 or 90 per cent of the first teams score. 10 points for a win none for a loss.

Second set of 6 games the old format where there is a draw(100 over matches) . Last set of 6 games back to the 45 over each format.

9 over max per bowler in the limited overs games.couple of things for us  to think about- we need 5 quality bowlers for sure to try to keep there rate down, there are some big hitters in our thirds (I'm in seconds div1) which may need to come up to our side.

Personally I bat middle order and I'm not a big hitter but neither a slowcoach, so I could lose my place in the team(fair enough)

But we were discussing the importance of good bowlers as priority, is anyone else looking at the 45 over games as bowling being more important than the batting? You cannot constantly chase 250 every week.....

Economy bowling sure, but you donít see many win lose teams with wicket taking attackís and at most one speedster (too expensive). In fact, if wepl for win lose is to go on then teams sack off bowling and just Pack the batting anyway with hitters and try to score 300+ a game and then defend/restrict.

The bowling side is more about just denying runs and setting the field than anything. Then a deep line of hitters as far down as you can and youíll win more than you lose. Teams with 6 batters and 5 bowlers will ever get that far as they wonít score enough runs often enough
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: KIPPERS on November 19, 2017, 05:38:29 PM
Well PPCC Opener we will all be in the county league from 2019 and probably all be playing 40 overs games except the top two divisions. We select different sides for the limited overs stuff. Anything down leg side is a wide so you just cant pick some bowlers usually colts and quick's. and its all about the batting. Line and length until they start teeing off. Then its wide n full outside off with a packed off side. Anything above waist is a no ball and a warning if your med pace n above. Funny one bloke's day lasted 3 balls last year NO BALL warning, hit for 6 then no ball second warning and off haha.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: ppccopener on November 19, 2017, 06:08:23 PM
There's plenty of guys on here already playing the 45 over format with the strict rules for leg side wides.

The issue is to get more people and youngsters playing the format needs to change, I've not heard many negative comments and it seems people want to take a draw out of the equation...


But def concern about tying bowlers hands behind their back, two things seem to be obvious

1. How do young bowlers get thru with these strict guidelines and as you say would you want an 18 year old who may spray it a bit playing any games- knowing leg sides wides are part of most league cricket.

2. If all the hitters get the plum spots how do you develop a younger player who is more defensive minded?

We will have to suck it and see but there seems limited opportunities for players who are still developing...
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on November 19, 2017, 07:34:55 PM
There's plenty of guys on here already playing the 45 over format with the strict rules for leg side wides.

The issue is to get more people and youngsters playing the format needs to change, I've not heard many negative comments and it seems people want to take a draw out of the equation...


But def concern about tying bowlers hands behind their back, two things seem to be obvious

1. How do young bowlers get thru with these strict guidelines and as you say would you want an 18 year old who may spray it a bit playing any games- knowing leg sides wides are part of most league cricket.

2. If all the hitters get the plum spots how do you develop a younger player who is more defensive minded?

We will have to suck it and see but there seems limited opportunities for players who are still developing...

1) thy play lower leagues until they donít bowl a wide an over but tbh, bowling isnít overly thought about. Some top teams bowling attacks are pretty lame, they just have power packed batting and blast you away.

2) yeah you donít. Good luck finding a good team who wants a defensive player. They are being forced out the game
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: six and out on November 30, 2017, 08:12:54 AM
Hi all,

As you may have seen on the 'Your 2017 Season' thread i have recently had some very frustrating games - to the extent that i believe the rules in the league i play in (Four Counties) need to change.

Therefore i am hoping to propose at the League AGM a change to the overs, points, go to win/lose etc... not sure yet.

I want to do some research into what might be the best way forwards for the league, so was wondering what you all play?

Do you play win/lose or is a draw available?
How many overs?
What is the points system? eg. How many for a win etc...
Any other comments about it being good/bad etc...

Thanks

UPDATE...

so last night was the league AGM and although my club decided not to propose any changes... another club did... and

We have gone to WIN/LOSE no draw a complete change in the FCCL.

It will be 40 Overs 9 per bowler (was 44, 10 each) .
25 points for a win and just bat/bowl bonus points for a lose which are a max of 10.
There will be an fielding ring with must be 4 inside (plus wk and bowler) at all times.
Teams must bowl there overs in 2hrs 30mins as well.
Legside wides continue.

It's certainty going to be interesting!
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: six and out on February 13, 2018, 12:50:58 PM
UPDATE...

so last night was the league AGM and although my club decided not to propose any changes... another club did... and

We have gone to WIN/LOSE no draw a complete change in the FCCL.

It will be 40 Overs 9 per bowler (was 44, 10 each) .
25 points for a win and just bat/bowl bonus points for a lose which are a max of 10.
There will be an fielding ring with must be 4 inside (plus wk and bowler) at all times.
Teams must bowl there overs in 2hrs 30mins as well.
Legside wides continue.

It's certainty going to be interesting!

So it turns out that only that the FCCL would become 40 overs WIN/LOSE was decided at the AGM and that the actual rules and regs and points are to be determined at a League EGM tonight.

So i have a fun night ahead at the EGM!
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: moonball on February 13, 2018, 01:25:44 PM
45 overs per side, win or lose cricket, but with batting and bonus points. Overs: one bowler a max of 15, anyone else a max of 12. 9 points for a win, plus three bowling bonus pints on offer 1 for 5 wickets, 2 for 7 and 3 for all out. Win or lose you get the bowling bonus pints as described, batting points only for losing sides - 1 for 70%, 2 for 80% and 3 for 90%. If setting, its 3, 4 or 5 runs per over.

For 2018, we are bringing in Ducky Lewis proper, umpires will have the app. Prior to that, we were operating a Ducky Lewis light, with a revised total being used for one break in play. Lot's of workshops being run for umpires and captains, etc.

Our league - the Moore & Smalley Palace Shield is joining up with the Northern League for 2018, with two of our sides going into the NPL, as 1st XIs can get promoted from the Palace Shield Prem Div into the Northern League. One team - Fulwood & Broughton - have signed Simon Kerrigan as pro - although not sure how many games he'll play... The NPL 2nd XIs are in Div 1B, with the remaining 1st XIs in 1A, thus being able to get promoted to the Prem. So you have NPL, Prem, Div 1A, Div 1B, followed by Dvs 2 to 6. Then we have Sunday Div 1 and Sunday Div 2, with Div 2 split geographically as it's mainly for youngsters making their way from junior cricket into open age cricket.

NPL sides can have a paid pro, with as many overseas amateurs as they like. The PS teams can't have pros, but can have one overseas amateur.
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: moonball on February 13, 2018, 01:26:26 PM
Yes, my spelling is bad....
Title: Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
Post by: Chalkie on February 13, 2018, 01:42:18 PM
45 overs per side, win or lose cricket, but with batting and bonus points. Overs: one bowler a max of 15, anyone else a max of 12. 9 points for a win, plus three bowling bonus pints on offer 1 for 5 wickets, 2 for 7 and 3 for all out. Win or lose you get the bowling bonus pints as described, batting points only for losing sides - 1 for 70%, 2 for 80% and 3 for 90%. If setting, its 3, 4 or 5 runs per over.

I very much like the idea of bowlers getting bonus pints - but may be tricky to share equally if allocated to each bowler based on wickets taken, especially if fielders want their share for catches. Also there may be arguments over lager or bitter selection  ;)