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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2017, 07:28:54 PM »

@Seniorplayer how do you play when there's 9 men around the bat?
If they're all close in I'd forget that blocking nonsense, boom time* - go fetch!  :D

*In reality this may result in a dismissal playing a dick shot

Back then you could get away  with getting a big stride in and pushing your  front pad  at the ball and not get an LBW also  you could get away with looking like you were playing the ball and hide your bat behind your front pad
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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2017, 07:54:14 PM »

Back then you could get away  with getting a big stride in and pushing your  front pad  at the ball and not get an LBW also  you could get away with looking like you were playing the ball and hide your bat behind your front pad

Ah, the good old days!
Thanks to DRS there has been a big increase in umpires raising the finger as soon as the ball hits the pad.
Technology has been great for the professional game, but seems to have resulted in a lot more wasted weekends for batsman
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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2017, 08:26:59 PM »

Ah, the good old days!
Thanks to DRS there has been a big increase in umpires raising the finger as soon as the ball hits the pad.
Technology has been great for the professional game, but seems to have resulted in a lot more wasted weekends for batsman

OMG!! don't get me started on this.... the umpires in our league always go on about this. How DRS has shown them the light and the error of their ways for the past 20 years.
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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2017, 08:33:37 PM »

Ahhhh! Youll be telling me its a bowlers game next!
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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2017, 08:58:49 PM »

For me, playing club level spinners, it is as much about playing the bowler as playing the ball. I open the batting, so I guess I probably face 10 spinners a season. Most of them come on when I am well set, so most of the time I have some advantage I would say. Bearing in mind I'm an OK bat, I think it is fair to say that of any 10 spinners I face, I only rate 2 or 3 as actually much good. So the first issue is to sort the wheat from the chaff as it were.

Good spinners at my level tend to be the ones who bowl straight, reasonably quick and (on the whole) full length. These are both off spinners and leggers, and it is easy to recognise their ability within 3 or 4 deliveries. They are confident enough to pitch up consistently and know that it is their best chance of success. With a well stocked Cover and Mid-Off field, they should be safe enough, and they want me to drive anyway. In this situation I will always look to get on the front foot, and play with a straight bat. Better to be on the front foot and need to rock back, than be caught back in your crease to a quick, full pitch delivery I think. I take Middle-and-Off guard, so I try to be careful to avoid playing around my pad, and from bad experience in the past I now tend to avoid sweeping. Let's be honest, against a good spinner you have to be careful, so I generally just look to drop the ball down for a single somewhere and let the other fella have a go. Bad balls will come if the bowler gets impatient, so you just have to wait.

The better news (for batters) is that most club spinners are rubbish. I face them when the oppo skipper has run out of ideas or when his first 3-4 bowlers are knackered or bowled out. You have to take maximum advantage of a bad spinner, but they are usually so slow that you have to be prepared to give it a proper whack to get maximum shot value. I try very hard to play from the crease, and keep it on the floor - at least for the first couple of overs. Once I have the confidence I do go down the track, or often just fake it, watch him pull it down short, rock back and belt it over Midwicket. At this stage the key is to try and milk the spinner as carefully as you can, enough to build a score, but not so much he gets pulled off. If you can keep him on for another couple of overs, that's 20 runs to the team.

Best of luck with it!




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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2017, 11:55:43 PM »

I went to the nets today, and unfortunately my phone had died before we moved onto spin, so all i have is a couple of clips from my mates phone when he filmed the screen at Cricket Asylum.

I have put the few clips at the start of the video, and i know it's hard to make judgement from a few clips.

A couple of observations from what i felt whilst playing the spin:

- I feel a lot more comfortable trying to get right back in my crease than i did getting forward
- I don't feel too bad coming down to wicket to balls, but if it's more than a couple inches outside off i tend too completely miss it
- I feel a lot more comfortable playing on the leg-side to spin
- I feel like i'm reaching for the ball (like in the first clip) a bit too much when i could just get back on my stumps and play it

However, i feel like i'm continuing my progress against pace (which is what most of the video is, from 62-68mph which is probably faster than what anyone in my league bowls)
Rather than standing bolt upright i'm bending my knees a bit more as i feel like i can move to the ball a bit quicker that way
I'm leaving the ball a lot better than i did last time
I'm still planting my front foot across my body a little bit, but not as much as before
My balance is a little better than last time, i'm not walking after the shot as much, however, i do sometimes still end up on one leg after playing the shot!

Anyway enough rambling here's the video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpdkvJ_Ujj8
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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2017, 10:38:50 AM »

Analysis on the first clip alone.. You dont get anywhere near the pitch, you've planted your front foot to the offside of the pitch of the ball (if that makes sense) so you're playing around your pad to start with, so you have to reach for each to get bat on ball based on the line because your feet and head arent inline. Then it spins and you've missed it because youve played the original line in front of your pad.

However the next clip although it was against the spin you got into a slightly better position you moved to the pitch with your head over the ball you were able to put it where you wanted. Which between balls is a great improvement

Personally and im not sure if i speak for alot of spinners, when its turning like that, please please please hit me against the spin, because it shows me you're not comfortable on the off side driving, so I'd change my angle, come round the wicket, drift into your pads and nick your edge as before.

Id personally try and hit most of those shots like you did on the back foot through the off or come down and punch them straight. (And by try i mean I'd miss it too and get bowled)

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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2017, 11:29:02 AM »

I went to the nets today, and unfortunately my phone had died before we moved onto spin, so all i have is a couple of clips from my mates phone when he filmed the screen at Cricket Asylum.

I have put the few clips at the start of the video, and i know it's hard to make judgement from a few clips.

A couple of observations from what i felt whilst playing the spin:

- I feel a lot more comfortable trying to get right back in my crease than i did getting forward
- I don't feel too bad coming down to wicket to balls, but if it's more than a couple inches outside off i tend too completely miss it
- I feel a lot more comfortable playing on the leg-side to spin
- I feel like i'm reaching for the ball (like in the first clip) a bit too much when i could just get back on my stumps and play it

However, i feel like i'm continuing my progress against pace (which is what most of the video is, from 62-68mph which is probably faster than what anyone in my league bowls)
Rather than standing bolt upright i'm bending my knees a bit more as i feel like i can move to the ball a bit quicker that way
I'm leaving the ball a lot better than i did last time
I'm still planting my front foot across my body a little bit, but not as much as before
My balance is a little better than last time, i'm not walking after the shot as much, however, i do sometimes still end up on one leg after playing the shot!

Anyway enough rambling here's the video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpdkvJ_Ujj8
Looks to me that your waist seems a little rigid when could be why you're squaring up more when playing attacking shots and why your back leg lifts and comes slightly round (for me as a left arm orthodox spinner thats a massive plus for me as I would come left arm round the wicket and float a couple on or just outside the off stump spinning back in encouraging the drive and then either fire in a quicker ball or an arm ball aiming for a mistimed drive, outside edge to the keeper/slips or even a stumping with the back leg coming around.) Like I said in my previous comment just relax as then your movements will become more natural and hopefully you'll not square up as much which should reduce any chance of edging the ball towards a fielder or even back towards the stumps.
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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2017, 10:55:43 PM »

@NT50 - I think you are not reading the length of the ball when it comes out of the bowler's hand. It feels like you are reacting after the ball pitches. That's why you feel comfortable on backfoot since it gives you more time to react.

Check @Buzz post and read through Dravid's letter. I think that would help you. Also get an hour or two with a professional coach. Your issues will be ironed out in a few mins.
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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2017, 10:28:33 AM »

I have two thoughts which will help you instantly.
1. Your grip doesn't appear to be right as your bat comes through in an arc. I can't see what is exactly wrong but you need to have the v's from your thumb and forefinger down the outside half of the bat.
2. You are thrusting your front leg at the ball.
You need to get your head going first and your weight over the ball so you are nearer the pitch of the ball off the front foot. So work on your "topple".
« Last Edit: December 15, 2017, 10:56:45 AM by Buzz »
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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2017, 03:24:23 PM »

With the spin at the start you seem to be trying to play off spin from over the wicket to the leg side

If doing that you have to be right on top of the ball and to the pitch

Try to play with the spin as much as possible or you will cause yourself more problems than you need to

If your not reading the length which you seem to be struggling with play of the back foot until your in

If off spin from over you should be able to leave a lot so if not confident try to leave a few more
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Re: Playing spin
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2018, 11:27:55 PM »

 Bear in mind that nets, particularly indoor nets, aren't much use against spin. When they spin at all they spin utterly consistently with good bounce. Which is probably decent practice for Australian pitches but not so much for April in the UK.

 Also a spinner really needs the wind to lend some bite for his bowling. Whether there is a crosswind or a headwind will often define what I'm going to bowl. In short I don't personally think many people really learn to play spin indoors, or indeed learn to be a spin bowling indoors.

 You do seem to have a very strong preference contact point right in front of your pad and almost over balance to get to it. Which is manna from heaven for a spinner. You don't go that hard at the ball but once you commit there's no going back hence merely slight changes of pace would be effective. I'd say you are planting your foot too early and on the wrong line. There's little way you could score much with tickles off the front pad and are severely limiting your scoring options on the off side.

 All batsmen have a preferred contact point but the best play it as late as possible, and commit as late as possible whilst retaining a range of shots. As a SLA and Chinaman once I've figured out the contact point my job is to get the ball there faster or to drop it shorter than he thinks.

 Get a spinner to bowl you stock balls then a much faster yorker on your toes.

 Cheaper, but more painful, than hiring a coach. :)
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