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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2018, 07:59:34 AM »

Bloke could hit a cricket ball thats for sure.
Not many batters have taken bowling apart the way he could

The rest, no ones ever gonna really know
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2018, 08:23:06 AM »

Bloke could hit a cricket ball thats for sure.
Not many batters have taken bowling apart the way he could

The rest, no ones ever gonna really know

This pretty much sums it up for me. My instinct says he's a self serving (No Swearing Please) who could have been managed better but perhaps he's a decent bloke who got a raw deal, we'll likely never know.
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2018, 12:44:55 PM »

i think its such a waste of talent. KP is / was something very special and i think any sporting genius has to be treated differently. he would have smashed all of England's test records and in the grand scheme of things it sounds like he was used as a scapegoat at the time of crisis. i can imagine he must be so frustrated watching the England side knowing he is better than anyone out there.

Do you think any other cricketing nation would completely turn their back on their best player???

 
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2018, 12:52:33 PM »

Do you think any other cricketing nation would completely turn their back on their best player???

Always said this - had he been an Aussie he would've still been playing in the most recent Ashes. Yeah he's difficult, but characters like that need to be managed accordingly when they bring such worth to a team (there's plenty of examples of this in almost every sport!).

At least KP never assaulted anyone during a night on the booze/drugs... just putting that one out there ;)

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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2018, 01:06:50 PM »

i was actually going to say its not like he knocked anyone out. i reckon KP could probably punch harder than Stokes as well :)
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2018, 01:12:22 PM »

This pretty much sums it up for me. My instinct says he's a self serving (No Swearing Please) who could have been managed better but perhaps he's a decent bloke who got a raw deal, we'll likely never know.


I'd argue cricketers are all self-serving to a degree. You earn your next gig through runs and wickets...
Alec Stewart said he would only retire once he had a Test average of 40+ (possibly tongue in cheek), and he is seen as a belt and braces England hero. It's how you present yourself, I guess, and KP was very unEnglish in stating he wanted to be the best and very open in his selfishness. Thing is, he delivered the goods, and often in a coruscating and brilliant fashion - an average of 47 + nearly 62 runs per 100 balls is some record. His hundreds in Mumbai and Colombo in 2011/12 were almost transcendent.

Particularly the Colombo one - http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/12588/scorecard/521226/sri-lanka-vs-england-2nd-test-england-tour-of-sri-lanka-2011-12/ Look at his strike rate relative to everyone else in the game, WOW.

But I'm with @Bulldog Cricket - if I hear him say 'BEAUTIFUL CRICKET SHOT' again I'm going to huff and moan on a forum/Twitter. What a (successful) bellend.

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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2018, 01:35:55 PM »

Ooooh!  You used 'coruscating' and 'transcendent' in one post!  How loquacious of you!
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2018, 02:10:10 PM »

Apologies for said loquacity.
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2018, 02:20:33 PM »

I'd argue cricketers are all self-serving to a degree. You earn your next gig through runs and wickets...
Alec Stewart said he would only retire once he had a Test average of 40+ (possibly tongue in cheek), and he is seen as a belt and braces England hero. It's how I present yourself, I guess, and he was very unEnglish in stating he wanted to be the best and open in his selfishness. Thing is, he delivered the goods, and often in a coruscating and brilliant fashion - an average of 47 + nearly 62 runs per 100 balls is some record. His hundreds in Mumbai and Colombo in 2011/12 were almost transcendent.

Particularly the Colombo one - http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/12588/scorecard/521226/sri-lanka-vs-england-2nd-test-england-tour-of-sri-lanka-2011-12/ Look at his strike rate relative to everyone else in the game, WOW.

But I'm with @Bulldog Cricket - if I hear him say 'BEAUTIFUL CRICKET SHOT' again I'm going to huff and moan on a forum/Twitter. What a (successful) bellend.


Don't get me wrong, I thought he was a magnificent player. Just unsure about his credentials as a bloke. You are 100% right about his commentary though, his Big Bash stint was awful, referring to far too many players by nicknames all matey matey etc. got old real quick imo.
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2018, 03:30:16 PM »

Kp the most watchable England player  since Botham
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2018, 06:04:55 PM »


At least KP never assaulted anyone during a night on the booze/drugs... just putting that one out there ;)

This

One person apparently is a ******** and deserved to be fired from the ECB.. the other is now the saviour of England and the best thing since sliced bread...
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2018, 06:11:59 PM »

I think great player (No Swearing Please) (No Swearing Please).

Been told enough stories by people but they are 2nd hand.

However let's be honest some poor management has not helped him and some very serious people need to have a word as to why the best player did not play more. Weak leadership costhim and his own personality
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2018, 07:09:57 PM »

I think great player (No Swearing Please) (No Swearing Please).

Been told enough stories by people but they are 2nd hand.

However let's be honest some poor management has not helped him and some very serious people need to have a word as to why the best player did not play more. Weak leadership costhim and his own personality

The problem is, even if we accept every story told on both sides as true, you don't get to teh conclusion that KP should have been cast out.  The alleged behaviours of Swann, Anderson, Broad and to a lesser extent Bresnan and Prior were actually far worse.  I also  wonder how it was that on the same day as Strauss announced that Cook had personally said that Pietersen was a malign influence who did nothing for the team, three of their young players - probably now the best three players in the country - all said that KP had been supportive and helpful?
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2018, 10:50:45 PM »

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My school cricket coach was the player that kept Pietersen out of the team at Notts, and was always happy to tell how they all hated KP. I won't name the bloke but all I can say is if KP didn't get on with him that much then KP must have been doing something right!
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2018, 11:18:50 PM »

I spoke to a few people inside the county circuit about this a few years ago including some coaches.
One said they would pick him up in a heart beat for a franchise team but for a county/ international side full time they wouldn't have him!

Quite simply he was a great player, one of the best in an England shirt but he was/ is an average bloke!
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