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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2018, 11:58:04 PM »

People are complicated, and KP can be both a terrific help to younger players in the team while also isolating himself from the team as a whole and clashing with the clique of guys like Anderson, Swann, Broad, Prior and co. who I also believe to be complete arseholes.

Just because Vaughan had no problems with KP at the start of his career, doesn't mean that KP didn't become troublesome as he, and the aforementioned arseholes, all became more influential in the team as they established themselves as essential senior players.

Let's not pretend that it's only England that would have got rid of Pietersen and he would have been impossible to drop had he played for Australia. Have we forgotten that rubbish about homework a few years ago, or Glenn Maxwell not "training smart"? You're nuts if you think they wouldn't have dropped him for sending texts to the opposition and undermining his captain.

I have quite a bit of sympathy for him though, the Anderson and co. clique were effectively bullies and it's a black mark against the England management that that kind of behaviour wasn't stamped out but let's not act like Pietersen wasn't blameless and forget all the different teams and dressing rooms that he's managed to alienate throughout his career.
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2018, 11:59:56 PM »

A lot of the views on here are as expected, an exceptional talent and a difficult character.

Some would think its up to the management to manage him, easier said unless it's you doing the managing.There is of course managers/management in sport who have coped with difficult players in the past.So if you believe that view:

Eric Cantona moved from Leeds United to Man Utd, at the time he was considered 'unmanageable'. he wasn't, yes there were problems when he dived in the crowd  :), apart from that his record was no worse than anyone else.Anyone who saw him play(me and lots of others on here I'm sure) saw an exceptional talent who could do things others could not, Pieterson just the same.

I think myself there was fault on both sides, the ECB handled him badly, remember KP was a diligent trainer, never got caught fighting,was totally dedicated to improving his game, and won matches for us.

The biggest problem in my opinion was when KP was told by Colin Graves, the idiot chairman of Yorkshire and head of the ECB that the 'slate was clean' so KP hit three hundred soon after in a County game.There is no way on this earth Pieterson would of done that unless he was told he could get back into the team.Yes it would of been awkward in the dressing room but to give him that carrot when he was going to be cast out regardless was....well I would use the word cruel.

That was by far the biggest mistake made I think and sits soley at the door of Graves.

It's been interesting reading different peoples views.

I think as well, Swann,Anderson,broad, maybe prior all had big egos, and they clashed. And I think that had a lot to do with it.
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2018, 07:17:02 AM »

Eric Cantona moved from Leeds United to Man Utd, at the time he was considered 'unmanageable'. he wasn't, yes there were problems when he dived in the crowd  :), apart from that his record was no worse than anyone else.Anyone who saw him play(me and lots of others on here I'm sure) saw an exceptional talent who could do things others could not, Pieterson just the same.

The biggest problem in my opinion was when KP was told by Colin Graves, the idiot chairman of Yorkshire and head of the ECB that the 'slate was clean' so KP hit three hundred soon after in a County game.There is no way on this earth Pieterson would of done that unless he was told he could get back into the team.Yes it would of been awkward in the dressing room but to give him that carrot when he was going to be cast out regardless was....well I would use the word cruel.
It's been interesting reading different peoples views.

Graves told him that selection for the England side under his chairmanship would be on merit, that much is true.  Strausss was appointed and decided that he was going to ignore that instruction and back his mucker Cook's (alleged - Cook looked sheepish enough when it was announced that I suspect he was toeing the Strauss party line) view that KP was persona non grata.   Graves' only error was in not immediately dismissing Strauss for gross misconduct in ignoring a direct instruction!
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