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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2018, 11:58:04 PM »

People are complicated, and KP can be both a terrific help to younger players in the team while also isolating himself from the team as a whole and clashing with the clique of guys like Anderson, Swann, Broad, Prior and co. who I also believe to be complete arseholes.

Just because Vaughan had no problems with KP at the start of his career, doesn't mean that KP didn't become troublesome as he, and the aforementioned arseholes, all became more influential in the team as they established themselves as essential senior players.

Let's not pretend that it's only England that would have got rid of Pietersen and he would have been impossible to drop had he played for Australia. Have we forgotten that rubbish about homework a few years ago, or Glenn Maxwell not "training smart"? You're nuts if you think they wouldn't have dropped him for sending texts to the opposition and undermining his captain.

I have quite a bit of sympathy for him though, the Anderson and co. clique were effectively bullies and it's a black mark against the England management that that kind of behaviour wasn't stamped out but let's not act like Pietersen wasn't blameless and forget all the different teams and dressing rooms that he's managed to alienate throughout his career.
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2018, 11:59:56 PM »

A lot of the views on here are as expected, an exceptional talent and a difficult character.

Some would think its up to the management to manage him, easier said unless it's you doing the managing.There is of course managers/management in sport who have coped with difficult players in the past.So if you believe that view:

Eric Cantona moved from Leeds United to Man Utd, at the time he was considered 'unmanageable'. he wasn't, yes there were problems when he dived in the crowd  :), apart from that his record was no worse than anyone else.Anyone who saw him play(me and lots of others on here I'm sure) saw an exceptional talent who could do things others could not, Pieterson just the same.

I think myself there was fault on both sides, the ECB handled him badly, remember KP was a diligent trainer, never got caught fighting,was totally dedicated to improving his game, and won matches for us.

The biggest problem in my opinion was when KP was told by Colin Graves, the idiot chairman of Yorkshire and head of the ECB that the 'slate was clean' so KP hit three hundred soon after in a County game.There is no way on this earth Pieterson would of done that unless he was told he could get back into the team.Yes it would of been awkward in the dressing room but to give him that carrot when he was going to be cast out regardless was....well I would use the word cruel.

That was by far the biggest mistake made I think and sits soley at the door of Graves.

It's been interesting reading different peoples views.

I think as well, Swann,Anderson,broad, maybe prior all had big egos, and they clashed. And I think that had a lot to do with it.
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2018, 07:17:02 AM »

Eric Cantona moved from Leeds United to Man Utd, at the time he was considered 'unmanageable'. he wasn't, yes there were problems when he dived in the crowd  :), apart from that his record was no worse than anyone else.Anyone who saw him play(me and lots of others on here I'm sure) saw an exceptional talent who could do things others could not, Pieterson just the same.

The biggest problem in my opinion was when KP was told by Colin Graves, the idiot chairman of Yorkshire and head of the ECB that the 'slate was clean' so KP hit three hundred soon after in a County game.There is no way on this earth Pieterson would of done that unless he was told he could get back into the team.Yes it would of been awkward in the dressing room but to give him that carrot when he was going to be cast out regardless was....well I would use the word cruel.
It's been interesting reading different peoples views.

Graves told him that selection for the England side under his chairmanship would be on merit, that much is true.  Strausss was appointed and decided that he was going to ignore that instruction and back his mucker Cook's (alleged - Cook looked sheepish enough when it was announced that I suspect he was toeing the Strauss party line) view that KP was persona non grata.   Graves' only error was in not immediately dismissing Strauss for gross misconduct in ignoring a direct instruction!
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2018, 06:51:51 AM »

And that’s the end of KP. Shame he chose to end it in the PSL and not one final game in the UK.

But what a legend - played some memorable knocks. Will be missed.

Still looked class in a few of his knocks towards the end
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2018, 07:32:34 AM »

The only losers in the Whole KP saga (apart from KP and the English Cricket team) are the cricket fans all over the world. One of the best players to EVER play cricket for England. Not everyone may have liked him and I think he is a dick at times but he was one hell of a cricketer. His double ton in Adelaide was both great to watch and painful to watch as an Aussie. He was a game changer
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2018, 07:47:23 AM »

Such a talented player and a maverick- who are often difficult characters..
Obviously his history tells you that he often had big fallouts-but Alec Stewart/Surrey showed that if you embraced the guy and made him feel important he had a lot to offer.
Would also like to say that I dislike Strauss for what he did to KP- almost like revenge-and everything he stands for-the elite- hope some sexual harrassment mutterings get landed at his door and he gets sacked!
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2018, 07:49:14 AM »

Having said that,I remember Strauss offering KP a tentative advisory role for Eng ODI tean-was that an olive branch that he should/could have grasped?
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2018, 08:08:29 AM »

An English legend retires. Sadly many on here will remember Anderson, broad and Swann far more even though they’ve turned out to be bullies. They should all have been kicked into touch but Strauss and co were part of the clique.

He’d  lost his motivation over the last few years, that much was plain to see as his returns diminished and consistency dropped. Assuming he was motivated he could quite honestly still be in the englsnd side as we are simply that weak.
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2018, 08:14:17 AM »

Not only Strauss - don’t forget cook said it’s either KP or him.

We all know cook’s a stats man, no doubt KP would’ve been the leading run scorer in tests had he been allowed to continue.


Credit to Kp he carried on fighting to get back in the England side for a couple of years - a lot would’ve turned their back and given up
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2018, 08:42:09 AM »

Sad events over the past few years deprived the watching public and the England team a few more years of KP.

I’ll remember him most for his role in the 05 ashes - for me in my teens at the time and watching every ball over the summer that series is a highlight of my cricketing life. Many people played a big part, but the way that this brash 25 year old in his debut series, with his skunk haircut and genius in his hands turned up from nowhere and took on that supposedly invincible australia side - not seen or enjoyed anything like it since.

Could still do with a bit of that now..
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2018, 08:43:17 AM »

Some would say you reap what you sow  others believe what He was treated shamefully the England team was weakened with no ready placement.
Forgetting what happen off the field  on the field Peterson was a man of principle never getting involved in an unfair game.
In terms of hurt feeling don't believe what ever  monies he received he will feel is enough compensation for  being ditched and the way he was treated.
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2018, 09:07:05 AM »

Thing about KP is that you have to look at what he was castigated for.
1. Promoting the ILP and 2020 cricket.
He was right and the ECB now embrace it.
2. Peter Moores' unsuitability as an international coach.
He was proved right on that twice.
3. The ineptitude if the ECB man management
No further comment required.
4. Andy Flower's lack of flexibility as a coach, especially in one day cricket.
5. One day cricket generally.
Evidence says he was right.
6. The England team stagnated under Cook's leadership
Kp called it and lost his career.
He was right again.

Now I am sure he is a high maintenance player. But he was dropped for speaking out and he was right on every occasion.
He was a success at Surrey, actually would be interesting to know what would have happened if Graham Ford had replaced Andy Flower as coach. I suspect a very different outcome.

KP transformed English cricket. We should be grateful that we got to watch it.

P.s. I also suspect that he had issues with Anderson which were well founded, but I have no evidence of that
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2018, 09:11:06 AM »

Thing about KP is that you have to look at what he was castigated for.
1. Promoting the ILP and 2020 cricket.
He was right and the ECB now embrace it.
2. Peter Moores' unsuitability as an international coach.
He was proved right on that twice.
3. The ineptitude if the ECB man management
No further comment required.
4. Andy Flower's lack of flexibility as a coach, especially in one day cricket.
5. One day cricket generally.
Evidence says he was right.
6. The England team stagnated under Cook's leadership
Kp called it and lost his career.
He was right again.

Now I am sure he is a high maintenance player. But he was dropped for speaking out and he was right on every occasion.
He was a success at Surrey, actually would be interesting to know what would have happened if Graham Ford had replaced Andy Flower as coach. I suspect a very different outcome.

KP transformed English cricket. We should be grateful that we got to watch it.

P.s. I also suspect that he had issues with Anderson which were well founded, but I have no evidence of that

Can we have some more gossip on KP/Anderson saga please?!
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2018, 09:34:41 AM »

@Buzz point 3 is my favourite
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Re: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful.
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2018, 09:50:08 AM »

As I said I haven't got any evidence.
However seeing the kind if player that KP was, I can't imagine he stood up for Anderson's strops and surly attitude when bowling. So I expect there were disagreements.
Cook and Anderson being best mates won't have helped.

But lets be clear this is an assumption/guess, I have no evidence of this.
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