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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2017, 11:51:18 AM »

New format for 2018 in the Middlesex championship to follow the trials in the 2 other middx leagues last year.

From 100 over matches (55 max side batting first) with a draw possible based on run rate(4 points or 1 point) we move to half the games...beggining  and end of season at 45 overs per side win or lose with 10 points for a win,nothing for a loss-same as the 100 over points .

Fielding restrictions in for all of the innings and so I'm told umpires will be told anything down leg is a wide.

So...has anyone who has changed to this format noticed a big change in how to play? The best teams in our divsion(1) look to get after the bowling from the start. This does not help my team as we don't have any huge hitters, more accumulators-myself included.

On the face of it this makes 2018 a much harder season than 2017 when we finished mid table.
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2017, 07:45:42 AM »

We are playing two major formats and then sub-formats

Regular hard cricket ball.
It has two subfodmats
40 overs game and 20 overs game in two separate tournaments

Then we have hard tennis ball. This is an Indian made tennis ball that is slightly heavier then a regulation cricket ball.
There are three trournaments to cover each format 12 overs, 16 overs and 20 overs.

We then have another format for entry level players.

It's played with a compression level 1 or level 5 baseball ball.
This game is lots of fun and does not require too much of an equipment or gear.
Ball flies off the bat and you can play all the classic cricket strokes.

ALL of our games are played on concrete wickets covered with green mat.
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2017, 10:55:39 AM »

We Play 45 overs at a weekend - start 13.30, usually end circa 20.00 but can be later if teams bowl slowly or we have rain effected play. We have a weird points system, which I'm not overly keen on as it does promote negative cricket. Arguably suits me as an accumulator, but I do still go at 80-90 SR.

Points are as follows:

Win - 4 points
Loss - 0 pointsi

Batting First (wickets in hand after the completion of the innings) - 1 point
Batting Second (Wickets in hand after completion of innings and 2/3 of 1st innings total / Successful run chase) - 1 point

Bowling - Must have opposition all out. A declaration (only happened once in my recollection) is considered all out - 1 point.

Most times, you'll find the winning team take home 5 or 6 points. Personally I don't agree with the batting and bowling points and that more emphasis needs placing on winning. That will then render negative cricket pointless, and stop me wanting to paint the sight screen so I can watch it dry as someone goes blocking all day...

In terms of our games, we're usually happy to be 30/0 off 8-10 overs or 50/1 off 8-10 overs. Depending on ground obviously depends on innings total averages. We do play on pitches where the groundsman has no idea so bear that in mind with the following: Our home ground average is circa 190 as a defendable score. Arguably the biggest ground in the league, with the straight boundaries being 84m and square boundaries being approx 75m each. Basically, a good 5-10m bigger than Headingley and not even close to being as well maintained!

Summary: I think it may take a couple of seasons for people to adapt to the change, as nobody enjoys change. But in the long run, it'll probably lead to a better game of cricket and a more exciting end of season.
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2017, 01:49:10 PM »

We play 45 overs per side, win or lose cricket but with bonus points for batting and bowling. Overs limited, one bowler 15 max, anyone else 12 max. 9 points for a win. Batting points: 1, 2 and 3 points for 2, 3 and 4 runs per over or if batting second and losing, 1, 2 and 3 points for achieving 70%, 80% and 90% of the posted first innings total. However, if you win the game, you don't get any batting points. Bowling points - available to both winning and losing teams: 1 point for 5 wkts, 2 for 7 wkts and 3 points for getting a team all out. Prem and Div1 - leg side wides, but might be for Div 2 also from 2018.

The league - the Moore & Smalley Palace Shield - has a Prem Division, followed by Divs 1 to 6, with Div 6 being split into 6a and 6b, geographically. The Sunday comp, Div 1 and two Div 2s, split geographically - used as a development league.

Now then, from 2018 - the league has not merged, but has linked up with the Northern Premier League - so teams that finished top two this year (2017) will go into NPL Div 1. NPL Div 2 becomes Palace Shield Div 1b - for 2nd XIs only, and Div 1 becomes Div1a for 1st XIs only. This way you can't have your 2nd XI in the same div as your 1st XI.

We are coming up to our league's AGM, so things might change.... but possibly further down the divisions as a trial.

Junior section is massive, with several of the "local" NPL sides playing in it, plus Lytham from the Liverpool Comp.

Sunday comp - 45 overs per side, but max 9 overs per bowler.

Palace Shield is where the likes of Kerrigan, Flintoff, Tom Smith, Toby Lester, Tom Bailey came from. NPL is where the likes of Luis Reece, Croft, Gleeson came out of, and Flintoff played at St Annes once he'd left Palace Shield side Dutton Forshaw. Freddie's old man Colin is Chairman of Whittingham & Goosnargh CC and his brother Chris played for Penwortham, very decent player, nice lad.

NPL have pros, but the Palace Shield is strictly an amateur league (yes, right) although you can have one oversees amateur.

So now you know! And it's the league's presentation night tonight.... I may have a couple of beers.
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2017, 01:50:14 PM »

Blimey - start times: 1:30pm start, 1pm in September. 15 overs must be bowled in the last hour, starting at 7pm, I think....
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2017, 02:14:44 PM »

Similar to us then!

I prefer your batting points system, although would like to say the RPO increased to say 3, 4 and 5. That way there is an incentive to clear 200 :)

Again, prefer the bowling system as it gives more to play for towards the end of an innings. I see it all too often for us where they have no chance of bowling us all out or vice versa, and whoever is batting is ticking along at 5 an over... so the captain automatically goes right, lets put everyone out and protect the single. Couple of men in. So frustrating!

Might forward these rules to our rep at the AGM! :)
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2017, 05:46:03 PM »

Wepl

50 overs a side and no carry over
Winlose
10overs per bowler
10pts for the win
Bonus pts for batting and bowling
One day restrictions in the field and wides etc


Northants was
50overs a side but carried over remaining first innings overs if you bowled them out or they declared
Draw
Max 25 pts  batting first win or 2for  batting second (promote the better Team to bat first to keep draw alive)
I think it was 14/15 overs per bowler
Normal wide rules
Draw was worth something like 6 for winning or 3 for losing .. something like that


So, which is better ??  I think personally it depends what you enjoy about the game.  Do both produce boring games ? Yes does one produce more than another ? Not imo but then it depends if you clsss a 40+ run win in winlose as boring.. personally its obvious early in those games it wont be close and so it is just boring.

Which produces better bowlers ?
Which produces more tactical captains?
Which gives more opportunity to different styles of players?


All those questions come down to what you believe would prove more popular. I dont feel either way will raise popularity either way and whichever you choose will force a decline in players.. one way and you will believe the youth hate it.. the other and anyone who isnt a hitter or gets old is likely to drop out as they simply cant chase big totals.. plus, anyone who isnt a hitter will naturally stop playing.

I do find the belief that draws are boring or promote boring cricket amusing when there is equally nothing worse than one sided win lose games where everyone knows the result but there is nothing really for the tail of the losing side to play for . The draw keeps the game alive and as someone has said, it can create tence finishes because there is always something to fight for for everyone.


Personally Id have the top 5divs of any system playing 50over draw Cricket, max 12 overs per bowler, ODI wide rules and no field restrictions

30pts bat first and win
15pts bat second and win (simply to promote the better teams to bat first and keep the draw alive)
Bat first get batting pts at 150/175/200/225/250/275
Bat second 125/150/175/200/225/250/275 (extra pts to keep teams interested)
Bowling first 1pt per 2 wickets (max 5)
2nd 1pt per 2for the first sfour bats, then a pt per wicket (so max 8)

Winning draw 15pts
Losing draw 5pts

That for me would create a balance between having a batting side to score runs but also a bowling side who can actually TAKE wickets and not just rely on batters having to hit out. Mix of pts to promote good teams to go first and keep the game alive st the end with pts. Losing draw isnt worth much but its worth enough to hopefully keep tail Enders wanting to save a game etc

Id create a symmetrical pyramid of a 2020league on Saturdays so that anyone who genuinely prefers the hitting game can play 2020 and clubs can decide which league system to enter based on their individual needs

Meh.. draw is dead sadly as its been drummed into people that its boring so its all mute anyway. Games will get shorter and shorter and I believe shorter games wont keep people playing so its a hard one to solve. No one wants to play long games, and no one wants short games.. kind of stuck really
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2017, 06:20:08 PM »

It is things like this that make cricket so wonderful but also so frustrating as well.  I can't think of any other sport that has a different scoring system depending on where it is played.

For someone like me who is obsessed with cricket i love the eccentric way the points system is made up, but then as a player i can also get very frustrated.  Any new comer to the game must be totally dumfounded.

Our league plays these rules.

If the wind blows from the west the team batting first must score only on the leg side, unless they play their joker between overs 17 and 32. In which case they can use the back of the bat to try and hit the church.

At this point the team fielding can unroll their left trouser leg and second slip is allowed move only in a diagonal line.

At tea whoever picks the all onion sandwich is declared man of the match and must down a yard of ale.

This is of course all null and void if the cows are lying down in the filed next door.  When that happens we play purely Snodsbury rules until dark where a winner is declared by the local butcher.

I bloody love cricket!!!!
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2017, 09:55:16 AM »

Quick update on the rule format changes for next year first 6 games 45 overs each side win or lose, one of two bonus points available if the team batting second gets between 80 or 90 per cent of the first teams score. 10 points for a win none for a loss.

Second set of 6 games the old format where there is a draw(100 over matches) . Last set of 6 games back to the 45 over each format.

9 over max per bowler in the limited overs games.couple of things for us  to think about- we need 5 quality bowlers for sure to try to keep there rate down, there are some big hitters in our thirds (I'm in seconds div1) which may need to come up to our side.

Personally I bat middle order and I'm not a big hitter but neither a slowcoach, so I could lose my place in the team(fair enough)

But we were discussing the importance of good bowlers as priority, is anyone else looking at the 45 over games as bowling being more important than the batting? You cannot constantly chase 250 every week.....
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2017, 12:51:16 PM »

Quick update on the rule format changes for next year first 6 games 45 overs each side win or lose, one of two bonus points available if the team batting second gets between 80 or 90 per cent of the first teams score. 10 points for a win none for a loss.

Second set of 6 games the old format where there is a draw(100 over matches) . Last set of 6 games back to the 45 over each format.

9 over max per bowler in the limited overs games.couple of things for us  to think about- we need 5 quality bowlers for sure to try to keep there rate down, there are some big hitters in our thirds (I'm in seconds div1) which may need to come up to our side.

Personally I bat middle order and I'm not a big hitter but neither a slowcoach, so I could lose my place in the team(fair enough)

But we were discussing the importance of good bowlers as priority, is anyone else looking at the 45 over games as bowling being more important than the batting? You cannot constantly chase 250 every week.....

Economy bowling sure, but you dont see many win lose teams with wicket taking attacks and at most one speedster (too expensive). In fact, if wepl for win lose is to go on then teams sack off bowling and just Pack the batting anyway with hitters and try to score 300+ a game and then defend/restrict.

The bowling side is more about just denying runs and setting the field than anything. Then a deep line of hitters as far down as you can and youll win more than you lose. Teams with 6 batters and 5 bowlers will ever get that far as they wont score enough runs often enough
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2017, 05:38:29 PM »

Well PPCC Opener we will all be in the county league from 2019 and probably all be playing 40 overs games except the top two divisions. We select different sides for the limited overs stuff. Anything down leg side is a wide so you just cant pick some bowlers usually colts and quick's. and its all about the batting. Line and length until they start teeing off. Then its wide n full outside off with a packed off side. Anything above waist is a no ball and a warning if your med pace n above. Funny one bloke's day lasted 3 balls last year NO BALL warning, hit for 6 then no ball second warning and off haha.
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2017, 06:08:23 PM »

There's plenty of guys on here already playing the 45 over format with the strict rules for leg side wides.

The issue is to get more people and youngsters playing the format needs to change, I've not heard many negative comments and it seems people want to take a draw out of the equation...


But def concern about tying bowlers hands behind their back, two things seem to be obvious

1. How do young bowlers get thru with these strict guidelines and as you say would you want an 18 year old who may spray it a bit playing any games- knowing leg sides wides are part of most league cricket.

2. If all the hitters get the plum spots how do you develop a younger player who is more defensive minded?

We will have to suck it and see but there seems limited opportunities for players who are still developing...
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2017, 07:34:55 PM »

There's plenty of guys on here already playing the 45 over format with the strict rules for leg side wides.

The issue is to get more people and youngsters playing the format needs to change, I've not heard many negative comments and it seems people want to take a draw out of the equation...


But def concern about tying bowlers hands behind their back, two things seem to be obvious

1. How do young bowlers get thru with these strict guidelines and as you say would you want an 18 year old who may spray it a bit playing any games- knowing leg sides wides are part of most league cricket.

2. If all the hitters get the plum spots how do you develop a younger player who is more defensive minded?

We will have to suck it and see but there seems limited opportunities for players who are still developing...

1) thy play lower leagues until they dont bowl a wide an over but tbh, bowling isnt overly thought about. Some top teams bowling attacks are pretty lame, they just have power packed batting and blast you away.

2) yeah you dont. Good luck finding a good team who wants a defensive player. They are being forced out the game
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Re: What Rules/Overs/Points do you play?
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2017, 08:12:54 AM »

Hi all,

As you may have seen on the 'Your 2017 Season' thread i have recently had some very frustrating games - to the extent that i believe the rules in the league i play in (Four Counties) need to change.

Therefore i am hoping to propose at the League AGM a change to the overs, points, go to win/lose etc... not sure yet.

I want to do some research into what might be the best way forwards for the league, so was wondering what you all play?

Do you play win/lose or is a draw available?
How many overs?
What is the points system? eg. How many for a win etc...
Any other comments about it being good/bad etc...

Thanks

UPDATE...

so last night was the league AGM and although my club decided not to propose any changes... another club did... and

We have gone to WIN/LOSE no draw a complete change in the FCCL.

It will be 40 Overs 9 per bowler (was 44, 10 each) .
25 points for a win and just bat/bowl bonus points for a lose which are a max of 10.
There will be an fielding ring with must be 4 inside (plus wk and bowler) at all times.
Teams must bowl there overs in 2hrs 30mins as well.
Legside wides continue.

It's certainty going to be interesting!
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