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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2017, 11:42:30 AM »

they must not be splurging on bats like us... otherwise why throw away opportunity to get some willow on leather?
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2017, 12:12:11 PM »

What a bunch of bottlers, would have been that difficult just to make sure you didn't get bowled out? I'm not gonna muck around here, anyone doing that needs to have a good hard look at themselves.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2017, 12:56:13 PM »

I'm sure someone can tell me, why do we have bonus points? I can understand 4 day games having them as there are quite a few draws but in a one day game you are just playing to win. If it is rained off it is just a case of sharing the points.

I don't really understand how bonus points promote good cricket. I have played in a number of games where the oppo know they aren't going to get the runs so they just block for an hour or so to deny us points and scrape a few for themselves.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2017, 01:12:14 PM »

I'm sure someone can tell me, why do we have bonus points? I can understand 4 day games having them as there are quite a few draws but in a one day game you are just playing to win. If it is rained off it is just a case of sharing the points.

I don't really understand how bonus points promote good cricket. I have played in a number of games where the oppo know they aren't going to get the runs so they just block for an hour or so to deny us points and scrape a few for themselves.

In draw cricket they are important I feel, if the match is a lost cause why should you just roll over and let the oppo run through you? Scrapping away to try and get as many bonus points as possible is of course not as enjoyable as winning, but it helps to promote discipline and patience from both sides.

The league I play in moved to win/loss 50 overs a side a couple of years ago. It is 25 points for a win, with a maximum of 15 bonus points if you lose the game. If you win and bowl the opposition out (regardless of whether you field first or second) you get an additional 5 points.

I do not understand the award of bonus points to the winners of a game, aside from our leagues little nod towards our previous rules where when bowling second you had to bowl the team out or it would be a draw.

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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2017, 01:14:58 PM »

This point system seems like an attempt to make everyone happy despite the losses. That is not reality, really. You win, you win. You lose, no points for you!
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2017, 02:21:26 PM »

This point system seems like an attempt to make everyone happy despite the losses. That is not reality, really. You win, you win. You lose, no points for you!

In T20 maybe, i for one will no longer be playing the game if the only format on offer is T20.

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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2017, 02:27:16 PM »

In T20 maybe, i for one will no longer be playing the game if the only format on offer is T20.

By "point system", I mean this bonus point system in 40/50 over draw-cricket when one side loses and gets points. 50 or 40 overs win/lose cricket with no bonus point system is simple and eliminate all ambiguity.

I don't even care about T-20 cricket but replicating Test cricket in a day game seems like a lot of unnecessary work.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2017, 02:29:26 PM »

Surely it is more enjoyable when the game is lost for the batsmen to play however they choose. If they want to have a slog, why not? It is a bit of fun to take the edge off the loss. They can also just play normally if they want.

I don't really understand why in one match someone loses by 50 runs and gets 6 points and another match someones loses by 55 runs and gets 4 points. They both lost comfortably.

In our league you get 1 point for scoring 50% of the oppos target, 3 for 60% etc. You see teams realise a win isn't likely and then revise their target to 70% of the original just to get a few points. I think bonus points reward mediocrity and punish teams who have a go right until the end. You also only get 20 points if you don't bowl the opposition out, 25 for bowling them out. You could score 500 and get a team 100/9 and lose 5 points.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2017, 02:32:50 PM »

No points for the runner-up, that's what I say. :)
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2017, 02:37:30 PM »

By "point system", I mean this bonus point system in 40/50 over draw-cricket when one side loses and gets points. 50 or 40 overs win/lose cricket with no bonus point system is simple and eliminate all ambiguity.

I don't even care about T-20 cricket but replicating Test cricket in a day game seems like a lot of unnecessary work.

I think you'll be hard pressed to find a lot of support in English league cricket if you propose turning up, playing for 6 or 7 hours, taking potentially 9 wickets (10 if you bowl first) and scoring lets say 200 runs and getting ZERO points.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2017, 02:39:07 PM »

You also only get 20 points if you don't bowl the opposition out, 25 for bowling them out. You could score 500 and get a team 100/9 and lose 5 points.

That to me is where the heart of cricket lies. I'm not a huge fan of many of the ancient dinosaurs who run the amateur game and some of the antiquated rules in place, but i am very much a believer in taking 10 wickets to win a game of cricket.

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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2017, 02:48:10 PM »

I think you'll be hard pressed to find a lot of support in English league cricket if you propose turning up, playing for 6 or 7 hours, taking potentially 9 wickets (10 if you bowl first) and scoring lets say 200 runs and getting ZERO points.

40 or 50 over win-lose cricket eliminates all those problems. Each side bats the 40/50 overs unless bowled out.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2017, 02:51:47 PM »

That to me is where the heart of cricket lies. I'm not a huge fan of many of the ancient dinosaurs who run the amateur game and some of the antiquated rules in place, but i am very much a believer in taking 10 wickets to win a game of cricket.

Agree with this and its something our league is tinkering with

I'm ok with bonus points but get rid of draw points

make it win loose winning team get max points and no bonus points but loosing side can gain points for wickets and runs say every 2 wickets and at 100 125 upto 200 so they could potentially get 10 bonus points so something to play for

got to have something to play for otherwise I think certain players will give up playing
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2017, 03:57:51 PM »

40 or 50 over win-lose cricket eliminates all those problems. Each side bats the 40/50 overs unless bowled out.

I play 50 over win lose cricket. We lost at the weekend and our opponents got 30 points, we got 13 points as we took 10 wickets and got to 192 chasing 223.

Unless i've read it wrong you are saying we should get zero points?

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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2017, 04:10:58 PM »

I play 50 over win lose cricket. We lost at the weekend and our opponents got 30 points, we got 13 points as we took 10 wickets and got to 192 chasing 223.

Unless i've read it wrong you are saying we should get zero points?

Yes, zero points.

We lost this weekend; we got zero (0) points. Our opponent won, they got 6 points. Nobody complains. All that matters is winning and everything else is ignored. You score a 50, you get a small trophy regardless of win/loss. You take 5 wickets, you get a small trophy regardless of win/loss. Individual players' contributions show up in the stats charts. No fuss, no muss.
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