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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2018, 08:38:16 AM »

I'm calling Northeast to announce a move to a div 1 county with the aim of improving his chances of England recognition, then getting a test call-up within two months.

I reckon this is spot on. Kent apparently want to take the captaincy away from him so i'd say the chances of him leaving are high. He's clearly got talent but i wonder if some Div 1 runs will convince the selectors he should get a go. Personally dont see him going n the NZ tour
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2018, 01:38:12 PM »

Rumours Root is out of the New Zealand tour so that opens a spot maybe northeast could get a go-he has been predicted for the very top for ages

If Root is out can anyone else see anyone different than Anderson to skipper?

Not broad surely!!!
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2018, 03:11:31 PM »

Rumours Root is out of the New Zealand tour so that opens a spot maybe northeast could get a go-he has been predicted for the very top for ages

If Root is out can anyone else see anyone different than Anderson to skipper?

Not broad surely!!!

Where did you hear this? 1st Tests doesnt start until 22nd March so unless its a longer term injury i reckon he's got plenty of time to be fit
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2018, 03:14:10 PM »

Rumours Root is out of the New Zealand tour so that opens a spot maybe northeast could get a go-he has been predicted for the very top for ages

If Root is out can anyone else see anyone different than Anderson to skipper?

Not broad surely!!!

Where has that rumour come from? Is he injured? Still got bad Gastro!

He's just been selected in both the ODI and T20i squad - surely if he was going to be rested it would be for the formats that he's not captain.
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2018, 05:17:17 PM »

I do love Bumble...

https://www.wisden.com/stories/opinion/bumble-leach-englands-first-choice-spinner-new-zealand

It's interesting he mentions Gleeson he is one of the quickest going around but never gets mentioned.
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2018, 05:24:24 PM »

Rumours Root is out of the New Zealand tour so that opens a spot maybe northeast could get a go-he has been predicted for the very top for ages

If Root is out can anyone else see anyone different than Anderson to skipper?

Not broad surely!!!

Surely this is just the tri series if anything?
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2018, 05:27:52 PM »

Root was due to have a scan on a finger injury after being whacked by Cummins, it could have something to do with that?
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2018, 05:55:42 PM »

Surely this is just the tri series if anything?

It could be yes so I may not have accurate info

I beggars belief he will play all the one dayers then everything in New Zealand

The ecb often do the wrong thing, this time they need to do the right thing in the long term interests of root
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2018, 10:05:38 PM »

For me...

1 Cook - can't drop him if he still wants in, especially with top order troubles elsewhere
2 Stoneman - has done just enough given the lack of other options
3 Root - I was very against this but don't want to throw a youngster in at 3 and it's not like he's setting the world on fire at 4 anyway
4 Malan - clearly willing to learn, hopefully keeps improving
5 Bairstow - as a specialist bat, tell him if he wants to bat higher then fine, but that's his job now
6 Livingstone - top of the young guns and seriously good lions record plus an extra option with the ball
7 Foakes - better gloveman than Bairstow and seems highly rated with the bat too
8 Woakes - asked to step up and take the new ball. Without Stokes, should be one of our main men, here's your chance
9 Jamie Overton or Tom Helm - need to blood someone new with that bit extra, Craig O and to a lesser extent Curran did ok but realistically they're steady rather than spectacular, which we have covered.
10 Leach - deserves a go, plus fingerspin control in a 4 man attack
11 Jimmy - duh

Squad members - Crane, Northeast, Overtons/Helm/TRJ partly depending on fitness . Broad told to have a rest and then get some serious prep for the home summer.
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2018, 10:45:43 PM »

For me...

1 Cook - can't drop him if he still wants in, especially with top order troubles elsewhere
2 Stoneman - has done just enough given the lack of other options
3 Root - I was very against this but don't want to throw a youngster in at 3 and it's not like he's setting the world on fire at 4 anyway
4 Malan - clearly willing to learn, hopefully keeps improving
5 Bairstow - as a specialist bat, tell him if he wants to bat higher then fine, but that's his job now
6 Livingstone - top of the young guns and seriously good lions record plus an extra option with the ball
7 Foakes - better gloveman than Bairstow and seems highly rated with the bat too
8 Woakes - asked to step up and take the new ball. Without Stokes, should be one of our main men, here's your chance
9 Jamie Overton or Tom Helm - need to blood someone new with that bit extra, Craig O and to a lesser extent Curran did ok but realistically they're steady rather than spectacular, which we have covered.
10 Leach - deserves a go, plus fingerspin control in a 4 man attack
11 Jimmy - duh

Squad members - Crane, Northeast, Overtons/Helm/TRJ partly depending on fitness . Broad told to have a rest and then get some serious prep for the home summer.

Don't know much about Helm but like the look of this squad.
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2018, 11:33:38 PM »

I understand the temptation to play Bairstow as a specialist batsman but I think it would be a bad idea. He wants to keep iirc and I think it's because keeping provides him with a safety net.

He knows that 5-7 poor tests with the bat isn't the end of the world because he can make up for it with his keeping and that provides him with the freedom and confidence to play his natural game without having to worry about what happens after a couple of low scores.
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2018, 12:37:21 AM »

1. Hameed
2. Stoneman
3. Malan
4. Root
5. Cook (time for him to cash in?)
6. Bairstow- Tempted by Foakes with Bairstow as batsman though.
7. Livingstone
8. Woakes
9.  TRJ/Curran
10. Broad (Once he's worked on his game)
11. Anderson
12. Moeen Ali

Squad: Stokes (Playing if not in prison), Jennings, Northeast, Crane, Overton, Curran, TRJ, Foakes.
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2018, 06:36:02 AM »

I understand the temptation to play Bairstow as a specialist batsman but I think it would be a bad idea. He wants to keep iirc and I think it's because keeping provides him with a safety net.

He knows that 5-7 poor tests with the bat isn't the end of the world because he can make up for it with his keeping and that provides him with the freedom and confidence to play his natural game without having to worry about what happens after a couple of low scores.
This is true, but he also wants to bat up the order. Can't have it all, and we have a back-up keeper who can bat ready... or we have James Vince. If Bairstow keeps, he bats 7 as far as I'm concerned otherwise you unbalance the team. A couple have suggested batting Livingstone at 7 behind Bairstow for example - sorry, but that's mad!
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2018, 08:16:34 AM »

1. Hameed
2. Stoneman
3. Malan
4. Root
5. Cook (time for him to cash in?)
6. Bairstow- Tempted by Foakes with Bairstow as batsman though.
7. Livingstone
8. Woakes
9.  TRJ/Curran
10. Broad (Once he's worked on his game)
11. Anderson
12. Moeen Ali

Squad: Stokes (Playing if not in prison), Jennings, Northeast, Crane, Overton, Curran, TRJ, Foakes.

Including Stokes thats a squad of 20!
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