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Mfarank

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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2019, 09:12:46 AM »

No, you've got it wrong and don't talk like this it you don't know everything!
Agree to disagree
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2019, 12:22:42 PM »

7* bats are made of top grade willow, there will also be bats those don't beauties but performance is top class

In Hanif's defence he has been reviewing their bats for 6 years... he has some kind of perspective ...

If CA just said they are bring prices inline with market conditions etc... and now their flagship bats will be morgs and white edition but prices are changing... a bit of communication would have helped CAs case. How many times can you add pro or + to a grade... 1+++++++???

They have essentially devalued their 7 star rating...
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2019, 12:37:10 PM »

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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2019, 12:52:35 PM »

As a retailer he has every right to be pissed if he is being sent grade 2 bats for the price of grade 1+ bats that now nobody is going to buy from him unless he goes the retailer BS route of "these 7 star bats are now graded for performance".
Well my friend I have seen his video where he has shown the bat quality and honestly he is being unreasonable. I have seen pro bats with blemishes but they go for big amount. I have had more bats gone through my hands than many have seen in life. He is upset that these bats have blemishes and should be downgraded. I completely disagree with his approach and I have read CA response to his tweet and they havent said anything wrong in their defense.
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2019, 01:20:39 PM »

calling him 'unqualified' to judge their bats and then threatening him with legal account for damaging their brand image does not fit together as a company statement

they are saying he is basically an amateur in judgement, but that his videos are damaging to their brand - means that any review/judgement we give on here about any brand/bat etc is libelous - if it is a negative view - that is the action of a bully.....
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2019, 01:28:53 PM »

calling him 'unqualified' to judge their bats and then threatening him with legal account for damaging their brand image does not fit together as a company statement

they are saying he is basically an amateur in judgement, but that his videos are damaging to their brand - means that any review/judgement we give on here about any brand/bat etc is libelous - if it is a negative view - that is the action of a bully.....
I agree! They should not have said any of it. But what is his criteria to judge any bat? I have seen him selling 400 bats with blemishes without any issues. The first video that I have watched where he criticized CA Bats, all he said was these bats have blemishes and they should be CA 12000.
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2019, 01:35:59 PM »

I agree! They should not have said any of it. But what is his criteria to judge any bat? I have seen him selling 400 bats with blemishes without any issues. The first video that I have watched where he criticized CA Bats, all he said was these bats have blemishes and they should be CA 12000.
it certainly is a bit of an odd one from both angles - the problems of buying 'unseen' bats is the same for retailers as it is for Joe Public it seems!!!
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2019, 01:49:57 PM »

Not sure that was his point. He wasn't annoyed they had blemishes as such, what he was saying was that before the Morgs etc were introduced, these bats would have been lower grades by CA. I get his point and he wasn't competing them to other brands, as all grade differently. He was saying CA are basically now calling these bats 15000s or whatever due to the fact they now want more for their Morgs Edition. If you bought a BMW 320 one year for X amount, then the next year when you went to upgrade they'd stuck a BMW 320 badge on a Ford and asked for the same money, would you think it was acceptable?
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2019, 02:18:29 PM »

Not sure that was his point. He wasn't annoyed they had blemishes as such, what he was saying was that before the Morgs etc were introduced, these bats would have been lower grades by CA. I get his point and he wasn't competing them to other brands, as all grade differently. He was saying CA are basically now calling these bats 15000s or whatever due to the fact they now want more for their Morgs Edition. If you bought a BMW 320 one year for X amount, then the next year when you went to upgrade they'd stuck a BMW 320 badge on a Ford and asked for the same money, would you think it was acceptable?
Wow u just hit the nail down on the coffin! Perfectly explained what i have been trying to say for days! Well done!
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2019, 02:50:47 PM »

One thing's for sure is that all this discussion on here, YouTube and Twitter is giving CA loads of good publicity. Even though there is quite a lot of criticism of grading and over-drying, no-one has criticised how well the bats perform out of the bag. Lots of people may want to give them a go this season just because of that and the Morgan links.

Has anyone got experience of doing their own heavy bats in the airing cupboard? Do they lose many oz and still perform well?
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2019, 03:13:04 PM »

One thing's for sure is that all this discussion on here, YouTube and Twitter is giving CA loads of good publicity. Even though there is quite a lot of criticism of grading and over-drying, no-one has criticised how well the bats perform out of the bag. Lots of people may want to give them a go this season just because of that and the Morgan links.

Has anyone got experience of doing their own heavy bats in the airing cupboard? Do they lose many oz and still perform well?

I don't think anyone doubts the quality of CA.. maybe except @Mfarank  ;)

It's the value for money ... also as a major brand they can't get stickers that are accurate 're weight and knocking in...

As bats I rate them highly but won't buy one due to there being better bang for buck elsewhere...
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2019, 03:31:20 PM »

Bats grading is as random as it gets. A brand can grade a bat as they see fit. There is no standard and this discussion proves my point as well. We need standards for bat specs and grading. There is no true apples-to-apples comparison anywhere between bats that are graded the same. There is maybe one (non-custom) brand that is consistent in their grading.

I have a few "pro" or "pro" grade bats and some of them look like "Grade-2" bats if graded generously.

I can see why a bat seller would take a brand to task as his customers will ask questions about the pricing and grading. It is a no win situation. We can blame CA all we want but until bat specs and grading is standardized, we will remain in the grey area of what's right and wrong about a bat's price, grading etc.
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2019, 12:23:22 PM »

Again, those looking to get a CA - check the grading on the handle. That is all you really need to know - don't go buy the stickers placed. The stickers are definitely determined on the looks of the blade.

And in regards to the debate, I saw the video and think it's a bit harsh. It can also be due to the current supply of willow the brand has. Everyone crying about what CA is doing, how is it any different to what any other brand is doing? MRF have done the same with Chase master, PS, Grand edition etc -  SS has been doing this for years - i.e same shape with a new top model coming every few years.
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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2019, 04:34:21 PM »

Wow this Super Best Grade 1 willow sounds good.

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Re: Drier than the sahara
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2019, 04:46:48 PM »

Not sure that was his point. He wasn't annoyed they had blemishes as such, what he was saying was that before the Morgs etc were introduced, these bats would have been lower grades by CA. I get his point and he wasn't competing them to other brands, as all grade differently. He was saying CA are basically now calling these bats 15000s or whatever due to the fact they now want more for their Morgs Edition. If you bought a BMW 320 one year for X amount, then the next year when you went to upgrade they'd stuck a BMW 320 badge on a Ford and asked for the same money, would you think it was acceptable?
I have been in market for buying a car myself and car prices have been going up consistently. You have same cars with different features but for every additional feature, comes an additional cost associated to it. You are well within your rights to criticize CA but he was being harsh. There might be more to the story than we all know. I have seen many brands over the years that have been doing this.
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