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Title: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 12, 2017, 10:32:57 AM
Too early ?
Nah , never too early !
Thought id kick things off by listing the two XIs that Warney has picked for the first test in Brissy .

England

Stoneman
Cook
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Crane
Anderson

Australia

Renshaw
Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Handscomb
Maxwell
Wade
Starc
Cummins
Lyon
Hazlewood


*Warney said there's a place on the plane for Malan but not Westley .
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Buzz on September 12, 2017, 10:41:53 AM
Warnie, like Vaughan is just a click bait rentaquote.

Root is very very unlikely to bat a three, so any team selections with that happening are a waste of space. The Lions team will be in Aus, so Hameed, Crane and other popular selections will be there actually playing rather than carrying drinks.

Squad will be
Batters
Cook, Stoneman, Hales, Root, Malan, then Westley or Ballance, whomever gets the most runs.

All rounders
Stokes, Woakes and Moeen

Keepers
Bairstow, Foakes

Bowlers
Anderson, Broad, TRJ, Jake Ball, Wood. Dawson may go too...! (18 is too many I know, but 17 will be the number.)

No futher discussions required...! ;)
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 12, 2017, 10:54:07 AM
Hameed would be one of my openers , so its a good thing that eng can take a squad , then change their minds /opt for plan b etc , with the lions being in oz at the same time .
I thought it was interesting that Warney found room in the starting side for Crane .
Personally , Root is better at 4 than 3 . However , he is also better a 3 than most other options , and i think it's easier for England to find a capable 4 than a 3 for oz conditions . Maybe just for the ashes Root should 'take one for the team' and elevate himself .
I'm not in the know enough re english domestic cricket to know whether Robson , Ballance , Jennings , Bell-Drummond,  Compton etc will all make the lions squad .... or who else is on the horizon to look out for . I keep thinking Hales and Roy need to be in the mix ( I'd have Hales at 5 , Roy in the test squad ... possibly opening with Cook if Hameed doesnt come good) .
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Harry L on September 12, 2017, 10:54:43 AM
I agree with the warne style of thinking in that we don't need the extra batsmen, especially when woakes looks like he'd contribute more with the bat than someone like malan anyway. Hoping hameed finishes the season well and sneaks into the starting XI as he is one of the best technically, and has a strong mentality. If he gets a few runs I'd have him opening and stoneman three.

Cook
Hameed
Stoneman
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

Then probably wood,hales,foakes,trj and malan.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 12, 2017, 10:56:00 AM
Warnie, like Vaughan is just a click bait rentaquote.

Root is very very unlikely to bat a three, so any team selections with that happening are a waste of space. The Lions team will be in Aus, so Hameed, Crane and other popular selections will be there actually playing rather than carrying drinks.

Squad will be
Batters
Cook, Stoneman, Hales, Root, Malan, then Westley or Ballance, whomever gets the most runs.

All rounders
Stokes, Woakes and Moeen

Keepers
Bairstow, Foakes

Bowlers
Anderson, Broad, TRJ, Jake Ball, Wood. Dawson may go too...! (18 is too many I know, but 17 will be the number.)

No futher discussions required...! ;)


I think Westley and Dawson are a waste of the cost of airline tickets ! Make them sit at home and pay for a Sky Sports subscription! 
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: ppccopener on September 12, 2017, 11:05:25 AM
Joe root should be told where he is batting, 3.

It's not a village green game where everyone wants to bat 5.

Just my opinion  :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 12, 2017, 11:11:06 AM
For the record :
Cook
Hameed
Stoneman
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Trj  ( swap for Jimmy at Adelaide and any green pitch encountered )
Broad

Eng best chances are at adelaide ( they may get more out of the pink ball than oz) , sydney,  Melbourne.

Engs main advantages are : they potentially will bat bat deeper in the order ; they have an extra legit bowling option .
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Buzz on September 12, 2017, 11:11:38 AM

I think Westley and Dawson are a waste of the cost of airline tickets ! Make them sit at home and pay for a Sky Sports subscription!
I agree, Ballance should captain the Lions or something. This is a case of what will happen rather than what I would do.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: mattdawson on September 12, 2017, 11:15:18 AM
Personally believe there's no need for the extra bowler.

Nasser made a great point the other day in debate, along the lines of there's 30 overs in a session 6 bowlers means at least 1 bowler a session will be stood in the field doing not a lot or bowling a couple overs, a gap that Root can do surely?

Crane, leach, Hameed, Jennings and Ballance all to be in the lions playing matches not carrying drinks.

I'm intrested to see who they look to as 2nd keeper? Part thinks Butler obvious option, but whats the point if he wont play, he mentioned about going to the BPL and presumably BBL. being from Lancs I'd love to see lions take Davies (scored most keeper runs i think? and 2nd in dismissals as well)     
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 12, 2017, 11:16:11 AM
Btw , i havent heard if eng will get to pkay a tour/practice game with a pink kooks ? Would suck if they dont get that opportunity.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 12, 2017, 11:19:10 AM
Personally believe there's no need for the extra bowler.

Nasser made a great point the other day in debate, along the lines of there's 30 overs in a session 6 bowlers means at least 1 bowler a session will be stood in the field doing not a lot or bowling a couple overs, a gap that Root can do surely?

Crane, leach, Hameed, Jennings and Ballance all to be in the lions playing matches not carrying drinks.

I'm intrested to see who they look to as 2nd keeper? Part thinks Butler obvious option, but whats the point if he wont play, he mentioned about going to the BPL and presumably BBL. being from Lancs I'd love to see lions take Davies (scored most keeper runs i think? and 2nd in dismissals as well)     

Id love to see at least one side with a pure keeper ( don't get me wrong , i think bairstow is the bees knees ). . That's why part of me hopes oz would go waaay left field and pick Alex Carey . He is a walking keeping masterclass .
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 12, 2017, 11:19:44 AM
Cook
hammeed
Stoneman
root
malan
stokes
bairstow
ali
woakes
Roland jones
anderson

Squad:

westley
broad
foakes
buttler
wood
crane

squad of 17

yes ive dropped broad but i think TRJ has bowled much more attackingly and looks in much better form at the moment he also hasnt gone at a stupid high run rate either and stregthens the batting which is our weakness too
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Harry L on September 12, 2017, 11:20:56 AM
Personally believe there's no need for the extra bowler.

Nasser made a great point the other day in debate, along the lines of there's 30 overs in a session 6 bowlers means at least 1 bowler a session will be stood in the field doing not a lot or bowling a couple overs, a gap that Root can do surely?

Crane, leach, Hameed, Jennings and Ballance all to be in the lions playing matches not carrying drinks.

I'm intrested to see who they look to as 2nd keeper? Part thinks Butler obvious option, but whats the point if he wont play, he mentioned about going to the BPL and presumably BBL. being from Lancs I'd love to see lions take Davies (scored most keeper runs i think? and 2nd in dismissals as well)     

But equally what's the point in taking another batsmen that isn't scoring any runs? We're basically carrying a player then, plus we'll be playing on some of the flattest tracks in the world in Australia so I think 6 bowlers will come in handy, even if someone like a rashid doesn't bowl many first innings overs. Let's not forget broad and jimmy don't have the greatest records in Aus either, and the heat, I doubt we'll be seeing many spells longer than 6 or 7 overs from the seamers.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 12, 2017, 11:22:31 AM
Cook
hammeed
Stoneman
root
malan
stokes
bairstow
ali
woakes
Roland jones
anderson

Squad:

westley
broad
foakes
buttler
wood
crane

squad of 17

yes ive dropped broad but i think TRJ has bowled much more attackingly and looks in much better form at the moment he also hasnt gone at a stupid high run rate either and stregthens the batting which is our weakness too



Not the side I'd have , but not far off ... i like it !
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 12, 2017, 11:25:51 AM
But equally what's the point in taking another batsmen that isn't scoring any runs? We're basically carrying a player then, plus we'll be playing on some of the flattest tracks in the world in Australia so I think 6 bowlers will come in handy, even if someone like a rashid doesn't bowl many first innings overs. Let's not forget broad and jimmy don't have the greatest records in Aus either, and the heat, I doubt we'll be seeing many spells longer than 6 or 7 overs from the seamers.



Fair points ( particularly re broad and anderson) , but .... what about Mo ! I think he's improved massively and will do a decent job in oz . So 5 legit bowlers plus Root and other part timers should be enough ?
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 12, 2017, 11:27:16 AM
Wouldn't be surprised for the first test England  play 5 seamers.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Harry L on September 12, 2017, 11:29:45 AM


Fair points ( particularly re broad and anderson) , but .... what about Mo ! I think he's improved massively and will do a decent job in oz . So 5 legit bowlers plus Root and other part timers should be enough ?

Maybe it's overkill but surely it's better to have too much bowling rather than too little? The only batsmen I'd consider in my team above to replace Rashid would probably be hales as he is used to facing 90mph+ regularly in the one day formats.

Stoneman in the runs again this morning.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: mattdawson on September 12, 2017, 11:53:31 AM
That's my point on the spells, 7 overs per bowler is still only 4 bowlers per session, 6 in a side can lead to too much changing and not giving any combinations a real chance.

I think the biggest headache in the selection will come if Wood is fit and bowling quick does he get in on his pace alone?

I thought about hales but you end up with a middle order that's powerful and appears to be all want to be scoring at nearly a run a ball. There will be a test were england will be <50-3 at some point imo  and i dont fancy hales walking out then. flip that and we could easily be 200-3 and i wouldnt want ballance strolling out to push the scoring on.

I think malan can be a very good no5, batted really nice at 3 in t20 quick and free flowing, but also showed he can digin at headingley.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: edge on September 12, 2017, 12:07:51 PM
6 bowlers is completely unnecessary, many test teams manage fine with 4 plus maybe a part-time spinner! 6 will mean one bloke on the boundary doing nothing, or our best bowlers bowling less overs.

Don't think Hales will go, Hameed will be doing his time in the Lions, can definitely see us taking a spare opener. Seamers/allrounders pick themselves, Foakes is the obvious reserve, so:
Batters
Cook, Stoneman, Root, Malan, then a spare opener - probably Robson/Lyth, lastly either Westley or a new pick - maybe Northeast/Roy? Good time for a middle order player or opener to get big runs at the end of the CC season. Or a good time to lose a few pounds if your name's Samit Patel!

All rounders
Stokes, Woakes, Moeen

Keepers
Bairstow, Foakes

Bowlers
Anderson, Broad, TRJ, Jake Ball, Wood and a spinner, depends whether they think Crane is ready or plump for Leach/Rayner. Given they'll likely just be carrying the drinks, I'd send Crane with the Lions and pick Rayner as the safest backup option.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 12, 2017, 12:18:53 PM
Bayliss said it's unlikely they'll be anyone in the squad who hasn't been included over the past 12-18 months, I'd say this means the only questions are (as always) over 3 of the top 5 between Stoneman, Westley, Malan, Ballance, Hales, Jennings and Hameed. I'd think it would also rule out any wild card pick of taking Jason Roy, Northeast, Leach, Rayner etc. or going back to Lyth, Robson Not sure what it means for the backup keeper though, sounds like they might just take Buttler instead of Foakes but who knows.

Bowlers pick themselves (presuming they take Crane as 2nd spinner) at least as far as the squad goes, starting XI and there could still be some debate.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: ppccopener on September 12, 2017, 12:31:49 PM
Bayliss said it's unlikely they'll be anyone in the squad who hasn't been included over the past 12-18 months, I'd say this means the only questions are (as always) over 3 of the top 5 between Stoneman, Westley, Malan, Ballance, Hales, Jennings and Hameed. I'd think it would also rule out any wild card pick of taking Jason Roy, Northeast, Leach, Rayner etc. or going back to Lyth, Robson Not sure what it means for the backup keeper though, sounds like they might just take Buttler instead of Foakes but who knows.

Bowlers pick themselves (presuming they take Crane as 2nd spinner) at least as far as the squad goes, starting XI and there could still be some debate.

Exactly...most of the squad picks itself.lyth and robson have not done enough for a recall and Jennings is still in the same bad Trot-they surely won't be in
Stoneman looks good so far out of the new 3 batters.
Malan the next best if we go with the extra batter

I'd also like to see hameed with the lions...as was discussed a while back on here could he return as a number 3 or 4 in future?
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: hanif on September 12, 2017, 12:55:53 PM
1. Cook
2. Hameed
3. Root
4. Hales
5. Stokes
6. Bairstow (Batter only, pretty awesome fielder without the gloves).
7. Butler (WK)
8. Ali
9. Broad
10. Wood (If fit) or a fit Plunkett would be a handful in oz.
11. Anderson
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 12, 2017, 01:20:05 PM
1. Cook
2. Hameed
3. Root
4. Hales
5. Stokes
6. Bairstow (Batter only, pretty awesome fielder without the gloves).
7. Butler (WK)
8. Ali
9. Broad
10. Wood (If fit) or a fit Plunkett would be a handful in oz.
11. Anderson

I don't understand why people think Buttler should be included? He hardly plays any red ball cricket at all.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Woodyspin on September 12, 2017, 01:42:30 PM
I don't understand why people think Buttler should be included? He hardly plays any red ball cricket at all.

Agreed. Realistically he will probably go as a spare as he's played in aua before but he 1 hasnt played red ball for ages amd 2 if he were to of have the chance. He would have had it ages ago when malan and westley didnt really work. But no.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: FattusCattus on September 12, 2017, 01:53:26 PM
Agreed - it seems nonsensical to me when you have a ready-made reserve in Foakes, who plays a lot of 4-day stuff, and seems to be doing pretty well. Plus a great opportunity to involve him in the squad and get used to the Test and touring scene.

Still, it's all subjective, isn't it. I also don't know why people suddenly think Hales is a shoe-in as a test no.4 or wood as a test-match bowler.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: GoodLeave on September 12, 2017, 02:10:09 PM
Alex Carey .

Who?  :D
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 12, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
I should point out that I wouldn't be surprised if Buttler gets taken as the reserve keeper but I think Foakes is the better option.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 12, 2017, 03:14:35 PM
Who?  :D


Jim's brother .


Also the south oz keeper. Great , great hands.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 12, 2017, 03:30:04 PM
I don't understand why people think Buttler should be included? He hardly plays any red ball cricket at all.

He came in and did a good job in India after we all said the same thing
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: petehosk on September 12, 2017, 03:30:32 PM
1. Cook
2. Hameed
3. Root
4. Hales
5. Stokes
6. Bairstow (Batter only, pretty awesome fielder without the gloves).
7. Butler (WK)
8. Ali
9. Broad
10. Wood (If fit) or a fit Plunkett would be a handful in oz.
11. Anderson

Stokes will NOT bat at 5 - he is always batting at 6!!! And Buttler is unlikely to be in the XI.

I would like to see:

Cook
Stoneman
Hameed
Root
Malan/Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
TRJ/Wokes
Broad
Anderson

Westley has not really taken his chance against Windies! He did some hard graft against SA but hasn't impressed since.
Would prefer to see Hameed at 5 initially but without an on-form no3 bat, choices are limited! Plus Root can keep his fave 4 position and Bairstow and Ali better at 7 and 8!
Like one or two others, I think Broad hasn't been on top form lately but he is always dangerous and seems to have a few great spells saved for the Aussies  ;) So see how he gets on. Hard to leave Anderson out considering his form this Summer.
Not sure there are any wickets which require loads of spin options! Surely Ali, Root and Malan are enough options?
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Buzz on September 12, 2017, 03:50:52 PM
Agreed - it seems nonsensical to me when you have a ready-made reserve in Foakes, who plays a lot of 4-day stuff, and seems to be doing pretty well. Plus a great opportunity to involve him in the squad and get used to the Test and touring scene.

Still, it's all subjective, isn't it. I also don't know why people suddenly think Hales is a shoe-in as a test no.4 or wood as a test-match bowler.
Hales is a shoe in because he is an experienced international, knows his game and has score loads if runs recently in all forma of cricket.
Not sure what else he can do!

Stoneman's ton today was also helpful for him.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: petehosk on September 12, 2017, 04:27:30 PM
Totally agree about Hales - he has Test experience batting at 2, but batting at 5 I reckon he would be more comfortable and even lethal and destructive if he's on form.
As I said somewhere else, if Stoneman and Hameed (or other number 3) perform, then the top 4 are taken care of. Then Hales, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali and Woakes or TRJ to follow from 5-9 batting......that would be quite scary for a lot of teams!!
But Malan did look quite good too - so my selection has either option at 5, but can't see either at 4 really! Plus Root is unlikely to give up 4!!
 
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: hanif on September 12, 2017, 04:30:20 PM
I was just stating the 11 players I would choose to take to OZ. As for stokes never batting at 5 and only batting at 6 it is just a number and he has proven he can perform under pressure when the team needs him the most.

Buttler may not have played a lot of red ball cricket but he can win games and take matches away from the opposition. Seeing some one a destructive as Buttler at 7 is likely to unsettle any team. If Woakes can get fit he would be a great addition to the side, but he looked far from his best with the ball against the Windies. He did look in decent touch with the bat.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: FattusCattus on September 12, 2017, 04:36:32 PM
Why didn't Hales play against the Windies then?  would seem to have been a great opportunity to try him out, rather than chucking him in against the Aussies.

(Disclaimer - I don't have a problem with him in the side, nothing would give me greater pleasure than watching him go mental at number 5 and batter everyone out of the park)
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: edge on September 12, 2017, 04:44:08 PM
I'd love Buttler in the side, but with that in mind he's off for a Lions tour for me, to get some more red ball gametime. Imagine having to bowl at him and Livingstone mind!

Plunkett is a good shout, I'd quite possibly take him ahead of Ball.

The issue with Hales - he's a proven international player, no problems there, but he got stuck under the pressure of tests last time. Which doesn't bode well for an away Ashes...
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 12, 2017, 06:13:57 PM
Why didn't Hales play against the Windies then?  would seem to have been a great opportunity to try him out, rather than chucking him in against the Aussies.


Because Westley and Malan did?
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 12, 2017, 06:18:26 PM
I quite liked Shane Warne's squad, if anyone saw it? I doubt Mason Crane's really ready, though.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: LateBloomer on September 12, 2017, 06:31:32 PM
Let me throw a name into Englands middle order quandry

A man with a proven test record and experience of winning Ashes series home and away

Ian Bell. Granted not had the greatest of seasons domestically but if he was available I'd pick him ahead of Westley, Malan and Hales in a heartbeat.

I would also go with Foakes ahead of Buttler. Been class all season with gloves and bat
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: ppccopener on September 12, 2017, 06:45:33 PM
Let me throw a name into Englands middle order quandry

A man with a proven test record and experience of winning Ashes series home and away

Ian Bell. Granted not had the greatest of seasons domestically but if he was available I'd pick him ahead of Westley, Malan and Hales in a heartbeat.

I would also go with Foakes ahead of Buttler. Been class all season with gloves and bat

Superb!  :) this will get the forum talking and it's healthy to have different views.

Lots of debate on here on different threads and Ian bell. One of my favourite players and a class act.

His time has gone thou I think. Shame he seemed to lose motivation after being dropped by England.

In my book thou.....a wonderful player.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Manormanic on September 12, 2017, 08:44:56 PM
There are probably twelve certainties already:

Cook, Stoneman, Root, Malan
Bairstow
Stokes, Ali, Woakes
Anderson, Broad, Roland-Jones, Wood

So, they need one more batsman for the Test XI, a reserve, a spare keeper, and then whatever spare spinners and seamers they want to take.

I think the keeper will be Foakes, and Bayliss has more or less said Hales will be one of the batsmen.  If there is a second spinner, it'll be Crane, because Rashid will not be a positive influence carrying drinks for three months, and another seamer would be a toss up between Ball and Overton (tall, horses for courses pick).

The last batting slot is interesting.  Westley might have dragged it out of the fire, but they will also talk about Hameed, Vince and Ballance. 
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Manormanic on September 12, 2017, 08:46:14 PM
Superb!  :) this will get the forum talking and it's healthy to have different views.

Lots of debate on here on different threads and Ian bell. One of my favourite players and a class act.

His time has gone thou I think. Shame he seemed to lose motivation after being dropped by England.

In my book thou.....a wonderful player.

If Bell had Collingwood's sense of fight, this wopuldn't be the worst bet.  But I think he might find himself mentally disintegrated pretty quickly...
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Harry L on September 12, 2017, 08:56:27 PM
There are probably twelve certainties already:

Cook, Stoneman, Root, Malan
Bairstow
Stokes, Ali, Woakes
Anderson, Broad, Roland-Jones, Wood

So, they need one more batsman for the Test XI, a reserve, a spare keeper, and then whatever spare spinners and seamers they want to take.

I think the keeper will be Foakes, and Bayliss has more or less said Hales will be one of the batsmen.  If there is a second spinner, it'll be Crane, because Rashid will not be a positive influence carrying drinks for three months, and another seamer would be a toss up between Ball and Overton (tall, horses for courses pick).

The last batting slot is interesting.  Westley might have dragged it out of the fire, but they will also talk about Hameed, Vince and Ballance.

Mark wood is never a guarantee as he can't stay fit, he hasn't even taken many wickets in div 2.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: ppccopener on September 12, 2017, 09:00:26 PM
If Bell had Collingwood's sense of fight, this wopuldn't be the worst bet.  But I think he might find himself mentally disintegrated pretty quickly...

Bell was never that sort of player, it was all Too easy at his best. He got some 'harder' runs towards the end of his career but agree didn't show it thru most of it. In comparison with westley and Malan...well there just Isn't one

Good squad thou manor , you wrong about Wood thou, he is not fit and has ankle problems. I. Afraid he will not be the player we all want him to be.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 12, 2017, 09:05:00 PM
Bayliss said there won't be new names. Doesn't this suggest Foakes won't be going?
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: smilley792 on September 12, 2017, 09:06:31 PM
Bayliss said there won't be names. Doesn't this suggest Foakes won't be going?

Presumtion you meant "no new names" (as this is what bayliss said).

Which to me means buttler is the spare keeper.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: jamielsn15 on September 12, 2017, 09:07:26 PM
If Bell had Collingwood's sense of fight, this wopuldn't be the worst bet.  But I think he might find himself mentally disintegrated pretty quickly...

The management didn't have a clue how to manage and motivate him, in my opinion. Averages 50+ at five, 60 at six yet insisted on taking the vice captaincy off him, which was perfect for him and kept on pressuring him to bat at 3. Stick to player's strengths, they'd have got an extra two years out of him and he'd have been ready for an Ashes swansong.

He was never the KP, Ponting type to dominate teams and be larger than life. But he was a senior pro that, had he been man managed effectively, could be part of a line up that would have allowed Root to bat 3 or 4. Fit numbers two and four around those guys and our Ashes line up would have looked far stronger.

I think after losing the vice captaincy his head went and its clear now he lacks the motivation and desire. I absolutely agree that he couldn't have done any worse than Compton, Westley, Malan, etc over the last two years or so. But he's done now...

Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Harry L on September 12, 2017, 09:09:50 PM
Presumtion you meant "no new names" (as this is what bayliss said).

Which to me means buttler is the spare keeper.

Hope not, would be a bit of farce taking someone that has played about 5 first class games in the last couple of years, 3 of which have been this year and he's averaging 17. Foakes is the standout candidate and I believe he has trained with the test side already this year? But then again will he play any cricket if selected in the main squad?

Probably not
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Woodyspin on September 12, 2017, 09:16:35 PM
Swann also bigged Hales up on radio saying something along the lines of 'hes not the smartesr bloke but he realised he was trying to be a test cricketer when he doesnt have the technique for it, and now hes scoring runs for fun'
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: smilley792 on September 12, 2017, 09:17:08 PM
Hope not, would be a bit of farce taking someone that has played about 5 first class games in the last couple of years, 3 of which have been this year and he's averaging 17. Foakes is the standout candidate and I believe he has trained with the test side already this year? But then again will he play any cricket if selected in the main squad?

Probably not

He played 3 tests in India last winter and averaged around 40.

That's much better than jennings, Westley malan etc have been doing recently.

Last summer bayliss wanted him as a batsmen, selectors said no, so he took him to India as spare keeper and played him as a batsmen.
Reckon that will be bayliss plan this year, spare keeper and more likely batsman if the newbs do as bad as they have done this summer.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: ppccopener on September 12, 2017, 09:19:35 PM
I can't actually believe anyone on this forum has butler as the second keeper, he simply does not play enough long form cricket, and he is about to sign for another 2020 tournament.

2 years ago yes we could of had bairstow as a batter o lay and butler keeping-but it didn't go that way. Bairstow is improving and Jos is a one day King.
Bayliss does not pick the team on his own, I'd be staggered if butler is chosen not playing the right form of the game. Ben Foakes looks favourite to me
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Turn Of Pace on September 12, 2017, 09:22:50 PM
A friend of mine was chatting with Colin Graves at Lords the other day. During the conversation Graves indicated that Ballance will be in the squad for the ashes as they think his back foot game will be suited to quick Aussie decks.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: smilley792 on September 12, 2017, 09:27:05 PM
I can't actually believe anyone on this forum has butler as the second keeper, he simply does not play enough long form cricket, and he is about to sign for another 2020 tournament.

2 years ago yes we could of had bairstow as a batter o lay and butler keeping-but it didn't go that way. Bairstow is improving and Jos is a one day King.
Bayliss does not pick the team on his own, I'd be staggered if butler is chosen not playing the right form of the game. Ben Foakes looks favourite to me


Its not about what people think, it's about what bayliss has said.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41213905 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41213905)

No new faces.
Players that have played in the last 12 to 18months.

Foakes hasn't played a test yet, never mind in that period, so how can he be favourite?

He may well be the right call, but..........
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: jamielsn15 on September 12, 2017, 09:30:01 PM
A friend of mine was chatting with Colin Graves at Lords the other day. During the conversation Graves indicated that Ballance will be in the squad for the ashes as they think his back foot game will be suited to quick Aussie decks.

...and he'll have aussie quicks queuing up to bowl full and straight at the speed of light to him. Please, anyone but Ballance...
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: jamielsn15 on September 12, 2017, 09:32:29 PM
I actually think they'll  start with cook, stoneman, jennings, root, malan, stokes, bairstow, ali.

Hardly strauss, cook  trott, kp, bell, collingwood, prior is it?!
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 12, 2017, 09:40:56 PM
Presumtion you meant "no new names" (as this is what bayliss said).

Which to me means buttler is the spare keeper.

Yes, I did.  Sorry!
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Turn Of Pace on September 12, 2017, 09:57:49 PM
...and he'll have aussie quicks queuing up to bowl full and straight at the speed of light to him. Please, anyone but Ballance...

My mate told me that he spent about 20 minutes trying to tell Graves that Ballance is as much of a nailed on LBW candidate as Westley and that neither of them should go on the plane. Apparently Graves couldn't be dissuaded from Ballance though.


Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 12, 2017, 10:01:44 PM
Saw Graham Thorpe deep in conversation with Andrew Gale today. Would have loved to have been listening in.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 13, 2017, 04:23:34 AM
I quite liked Shane Warne's squad, if anyone saw it? I doubt Mason Crane's really ready, though.



First post of this thread .  :D
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 13, 2017, 06:28:52 AM
If Adelaide ends up being a green pitch to preserve the pink ball, I would like to see Lyon sit out that test . If Maxwell plays at 6 he can bowl a few overs of offies and James Pattinson can come into the side , so oz can have a crack using all of the 'big four'. It would be exciting to see Starc , Hazlewood,  Cummins,  Pattinson all in the same attack .
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 13, 2017, 06:40:58 AM


First post of this thread .  :D

Sorry, I arrived late!

Buzz's second post is probably moe realistic, even with his selection of Foakes.

17:

Cook, Stoneman, Ballance (or Westley), Root, Malan, Hales.

Bairstow, Buttler.

Stokes, Ali, Woakes.

Anderson, Broad, Roland-Jones, Wood, Dawson, Ball.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 13, 2017, 07:30:45 AM
If Adelaide ends up being a green pitch to preserve the pink ball, I would like to see Lyon sit out that test . If Maxwell plays at 6 he can bowl a few overs of offies and James Pattinson can come into the side , so oz can have a crack using all of the 'big four'. It would be exciting to see Starc , Hazlewood,  Cummins,  Pattinson all in the same attack .

Based on past records surely one of them is bound to end up crocked before then ;)
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 13, 2017, 10:32:06 AM
Based on past records surely one of them is bound to end up crocked before then ;)


Yeah , you're right about that..... even a.t.m only Cummins , of the four , is fit.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 13, 2017, 10:46:49 AM
Foakes giving the selectors a timely reminder that he can bat.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 13, 2017, 10:49:10 AM
when does sanga qualify?
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: ppccopener on September 13, 2017, 11:10:36 AM
when does sanga qualify?

Can't think in recent years a more fantastic overseas player for Surrey or anyone

Fantastic player
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Kieron_BT on September 13, 2017, 01:34:21 PM

I think Westley and Dawson are a waste of the cost of airline tickets ! Make them sit at home and pay for a Sky Sports subscription!

Won't they then need to buy a BT Sports subscription?!  :D :(
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 14, 2017, 12:38:29 AM
Won't they then need to buy a BT Sports subscription?!  :D :(


Oh whoops , aussie making an english pay tv presumption. If sky dont show it isn't their commitment to cricket a bit lacking ?
"Sky Sports 2/Cricket .... the home of cricket. Unless its overseas , and the biggest test rivalry on the planet ,and we didn't bother getting the rights" .
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Calzehbhoy on September 14, 2017, 08:46:05 AM

Oh whoops , aussie making an english pay tv presumption. If sky dont show it isn't their commitment to cricket a bit lacking ?
"Sky Sports 2/Cricket .... the home of cricket. Unless its overseas , and the biggest test rivalry on the planet ,and we didn't bother getting the rights" .

BT went behind Sky's back and did a deal direct with Cricket Australia to have the exclusive rights to all of Australia's home tests & BBL. This deal then effects Sky's deal with the ECB to show all England tests as BT Sport have the exclusive rights with the host broadcaster.
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: jamielsn15 on September 14, 2017, 08:56:53 AM
^ cue the playing of the world's smallest violin for Sky Sports...
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 14, 2017, 10:31:18 AM
BT went behind Sky's back and did a deal direct with Cricket Australia to have the exclusive rights to all of Australia's home tests & BBL. This deal then effects Sky's deal with the ECB to show all England tests as BT Sport have the exclusive rights with the host broadcaster.

Wow , that's some seriously Machiavellien manoeuvring by bt there !
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: iand123 on September 14, 2017, 12:07:29 PM
BT went behind Sky's back and did a deal direct with Cricket Australia to have the exclusive rights to all of Australia's home tests & BBL. This deal then effects Sky's deal with the ECB to show all England tests as BT Sport have the exclusive rights with the host broadcaster.

Im not sure it really counts as "going behind Sky's backs" there are usually invitation to tender notices sent out for things like this, i suspect BT offered more money than Sky did presumably off the back of trying to disrupt the next domestic cricket rights bidding too. Not sure how long BT's deal is for but will be interesting to see if they try to retain these rights if they havent cracked the domestic market.

Does make me wonder how Sky think they can fill an entire cricket channel throughout the winter, i know they have a raft of their own produced content with the masterclasses and what not but can see the cricket channel being very repetitive over the next few months!
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 14, 2017, 12:26:34 PM
i was under the impression both bt ans sky will be covering the ashes as the both have deals?
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: RhysH on September 14, 2017, 12:36:04 PM
i was under the impression both bt ans sky will be covering the ashes as the both have deals?
If they do I cant see many people choosing BT over sky if they have both packages!
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: roco on September 14, 2017, 12:42:24 PM
sky have highlights like in 05 I think but BT have live rights

may be wrong though
Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: Butterfingerz on September 14, 2017, 12:44:39 PM
From memory the BT deal is for 4 years (about 60m) and includes exclusive live access to the 2017/18 Ashes, Big Bash plus the women's Ashes and T20 comp. It was an open tender and BT bid more than Sky who had just committed a ridiculous amount for the football.

Title: Re: Ashes 2017-18
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 14, 2017, 01:02:56 PM
Ah fair enough! Glad I have both BT and sky!