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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: BatGoonMcClintock on September 12, 2017, 07:59:48 PM

Title: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: BatGoonMcClintock on September 12, 2017, 07:59:48 PM
I've been offered a choice of handled two clefts for a custom bat - SH, 0.5 inch shorter blade.  Apparently, the cleft on the right side (heartwood on the right hander's inside edge) pings better.  Any thoughts?

Incidentally, both are classified Grade 2.

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Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 12, 2017, 08:06:04 PM
One on the right!
Better ping and heartwood in the right place, no brainer!  :D
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Kulli on September 12, 2017, 08:06:15 PM
Looks better too for me.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: 19reading87 on September 12, 2017, 08:08:18 PM
Buy both! Simples
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: BatGoonMcClintock on September 12, 2017, 08:10:17 PM
Looks better too for me.

Thanks @Kulli BTW, been meaning to ask, how come the Captain from Das Boot as your avatar?

One on the right!
Better ping and heartwood in the right place, no brainer!  :D

Thanks @WalkingWicket37 , that was my initial thought too and when he mentioned the ping, that clinched it.  Thanks for confirming it.

I've got 4 more new sticks (incl. this one) to bring my stash to 8, waiting to get the last 2 made and knocked in to post pics.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: BatGoonMcClintock on September 12, 2017, 08:11:46 PM
Buy both! Simples

@19reading87 Sure thing mate, but help me rob a bank first!  :D  This is a seriously expensive hobby/addiction.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: velvetsky01 on September 12, 2017, 08:14:56 PM
The one on the right for me
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: ppccopener on September 12, 2017, 08:21:59 PM
Ah....sorry in the minority here. The one on the left. Less grains and no heartwood. I've always found white bats softer and more responsive.

Just my preference, I think if it's white it plays a bit softer if you see what I mean.a bit more 'feel'

This is probably for another thread(or has been done before) but I've never thought more grains means a higher grade.

But I'm not a batmaker just a clubbie who likes bats ! :)
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: BatGoonMcClintock on September 12, 2017, 08:25:15 PM
Ah....sorry in the minority here. The one on the left. Less grains and no heartwood. I've always found white bats softer and more responsive.

Just my preference, I think if it's white it plays a bit softer if you see what I mean.a bit more 'feel'

This is probably for another thread(or has been done before) but I've never thought more grains means a higher grade.

But I'm not a batmaker just a clubbie who likes bats ! :)

Incidentally, both are classified Grade 2.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Kulli on September 12, 2017, 08:26:35 PM
Thanks @Kulli BTW, been meaning to ask, how come the Captain from Das Boot as your avatar?

Just like the film, and he's an ace character.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: JB on September 12, 2017, 08:26:44 PM
The one on the left for me, much prefer a white bat. I prefer a smaller amount of heartwood
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: smilley792 on September 12, 2017, 09:03:06 PM
One on the right!
Better ping and heartwood in the right place, no brainer!  :D

This! The one on the right is perfection.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 12, 2017, 09:15:39 PM
If it was purely on looks I'd opt for the left - mostly evenly spaced grains which run pretty straight down the blade which is always a good sign!

But then I never buy a bat on looks, so I'd end up taking the pingy one haha
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: edge on September 12, 2017, 10:40:04 PM
I'd have taken the right hand even before the batmaker told me it pinged more!
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 13, 2017, 04:28:50 AM
Id ask to ping test if possible .
If i couldnt do that , id take the one on the left . Sap wood , even grains ....should be softer /more responsive. 
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 13, 2017, 08:21:32 AM
The one on the left no hard heartwood as heartwood  doesn't ping as well as the softer white willow also heartwood can be brittle.
Leave the heartwood one for left handers who don't often use the middle of the bat.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 13, 2017, 12:06:15 PM
The one on the left no hard heartwood as heartwood  doesn't ping as well as the softer white willow also heartwood can be brittle.
Leave the heartwood one for left handers who don't often use the middle of the bat.

Are you sure?
Isn't there a theory the ball comes off heartwood better (which is why some people like it on their outside edge, so it clears the corden when they flash)
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 13, 2017, 12:52:57 PM
Are you sure?
Isn't there a theory the ball comes off heartwood better (which is why some people like it on their outside edge, so it clears the corden when they flash)
They may well be Cam
But as heartwood is denser and  lacking in sap it is harder thus having a negative effect on the willow by being effectively dead  therefore heartwood  does not have any rebound properties.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 13, 2017, 01:12:19 PM
They may well be Cam
But as heartwood is denser and  lacking in sap it is harder thus having a negative effect on the willow by being effectively dead  therefore heartwood  does not have any rebound properties.

If that's the case, then what's the whole butterfly willow theory about? I thought that had greater rebound properties as a result of being harder?

Personally I've always found heartwood to be much more prone to cracking - which would thus lead me to believe it is softer, not harder?
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Kulli on September 13, 2017, 01:19:47 PM
If that's the case, then what's the whole butterfly willow theory about? I thought that had greater rebound properties as a result of being harder?

Personally I've always found heartwood to be much more prone to cracking - which would thus lead me to believe it is softer, not harder?

I think the reason for that is that is lacks sap and is more brittle. I've never had a big preference either way but it obviously has rebound qualities, I've seen that are full or largely heartwood that fly!
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 13, 2017, 01:45:03 PM
If that's the case, then what's the whole butterfly willow theory about? I thought that had greater rebound properties as a result of being harder?

Personally I've always found heartwood to be much more prone to cracking - which would thus lead me to believe it is softer, not harder?

For rebound Adam you need sap in your bat. Heartwood can crack due to it being to   brittle as Kulli as written a bat with a lot of heartwood is also heavier and denser compared to a sap wood  equivalent bat.
As for butterfly bats they are the lowest graded willow you can get there was a resurgence a couple of years ago but for me that was clever marketing.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 13, 2017, 02:03:38 PM
They may well be Cam
But as heartwood is denser and  lacking in sap it is harder thus having a negative effect on the willow by being effectively dead  therefore heartwood  does not have any rebound properties.

I had an all heartwood GM Octane and the rebound was up there with any bat I've owned. In fact the only difference I noticed between that and an all sapwood bat was that oil took longer to soak in.

If heartwood didn't ping why do so many pros now use bats bats that are half and half?
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 13, 2017, 02:20:35 PM
I had an all heartwood GM Octane and the rebound was up there with any bat I've owned. In fact the only difference I noticed between that and an all sapwood bat was that oil took longer to soak in.

If heartwood didn't ping why do so many pros now use bats bats that are half and half?

Agree some do but how many pros have pure Sapwood bats and how many have bats made from clefts that have been skimmed off the clefts the clefts that are rarely or never available to the bat buying public?
As for ping a good batmaker can press a fence post and it will ping.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Churchy1989 on September 13, 2017, 04:58:43 PM
Ignore everyone and go with the bat makers comments! He knows more about willow than us!
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: edge on September 13, 2017, 05:39:36 PM
Albert Trott used an all heartwood bat. I'll just leave that information here.
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: Tom on September 13, 2017, 06:02:21 PM
How much do they weigh at present? Is either much lower density?
Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: BatGoonMcClintock on September 13, 2017, 07:18:02 PM
Ignore everyone and go with the bat makers comments! He knows more about willow than us!

Roger that!

How much do they weigh at present? Is either much lower density?

Don't know current weight.  Both will have a finished weight of 2lb 9.5oz, so I'm assuming similar density.

Title: Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
Post by: LEACHY48 on September 13, 2017, 07:47:32 PM
Cleft on the right for me, what brand is this?