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thedon

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How much is too much?
« on: June 26, 2017, 08:35:03 AM »

Shouting/ hurling abuse at dropped catches/ misfielding has gradually kept into our team. There are a few guys that regularly do it. Had a word, but this is still continuing, so much so I'm not enjoying fielding. Apart from that, team spirit within our group is fine. As skipper of my previous club, I would never allow this type of behaviour, but I have seen this to be the accepted norm for many clubs for many years.

Does this take place in your team?
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Gurujames

Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2017, 08:45:14 AM »

No. it is not acceptable. No-one deliberately mis-fields or drops catches. In my team the comment is always "great effort, unlucky".
As the bible says "he who hath never made a mistake throw the first ball'.
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2017, 08:58:06 AM »

While i do not agree with publicly abusing someone over things like this. One of my former skippers said this to me.
He said that if guys are giving their best at training trying to improve, doing the work and drills, while it is frustrating they are giving the best they can. The ones who dont do the work, train hard and then get those results need to be brought in to line but not publicly 
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2017, 09:12:09 AM »

On more than one occasion I have had to tell players to shut up and get on with the game this year over, in particular, overthrows.

I'm at the point where I have reached senior member status in the first team. We have a young team where most players are between 18-24 and the 'exuberance of youth' can sometimes take hold but as much as I hate them going at each other, I thoroughly detest having to go into teacher mode to get them to stop. (Mainly as the umpires in our league are always willing to dish out a few bans if things like this happen regularly)

Sledging is annoying enough but I think team mates bickering is the epitome of 'village'. (Or maybe this is an insult to village players...)
« Last Edit: June 26, 2017, 09:14:52 AM by Gingerbusiness »
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2017, 09:24:38 AM »

I get annoyed on a Sunday by people not doing the basics.

I don't mind if people are giving 100% but when people are not backing up when the balls been thrown in and not paying attention in the field. cant remember where they are fielding for different batters it takes its toll. wandering in on boundary and then ball goes over there head.

0 patience.
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2017, 09:27:14 AM »

I get annoyed on a Sunday by people not doing the basics.

I don't mind if people are giving 100% but when people are not backing up when the balls been thrown in and not paying attention in the field. cant remember where they are fielding for different batters it takes its toll. wandering in on boundary and then ball goes over there head.

0 patience.

Agreed, no excuse for not doing the basics. If you're trying then fine no issues, if not then you deserve a bit of a talking to.
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2017, 09:53:12 AM »

Ive got no problem with other players to tell a day dreaming/lazy fielder to pick up their intensity etc. I think its more how its done. When it's just grumpy bickering , shouting , or personal then it's  a bit off . But , by the same token , particularly at a high standard , it shouldn't be all 'link arms and sing kumbaya my lord' either.
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2017, 10:03:25 AM »

Our club doesnt do it we need to retain players not lose  them by having a go.  Abuse having a go at your teammates is unexceptable doesn't help them probably makes them more nervous no one drops a catch on purpose  also not everyone as the fielding ability of Jonty Rhodes.
Rather than give them a mouthful Look for the positives in players and work with that.
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2017, 02:21:49 PM »

At times I have seen this in our club, I always feel there is a line to be trod and circumstances to be considered. there are a few guys in the club (across both teams) that people just have higher expectations of, they are very capable but sometimes just look "village" because they are not concentrating or don't seem to have the full commitment in that moment. I can completely see why the odd comment of frustration comes out in those circumstances but on the other hand everything has to be a balance and when any team has a balance of negativity (even when the game is going away from them) the battle for the match.. and possibly the retention of players.. is also a hard one to win.

As has been said, not all of us are world class players and when your playing at a level you have to accept the reason why most players are at that level is because of their skills.... once you can do that then everyone can get on with the game and actually have a laugh about it when someone dives over the ball in the field!
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2017, 02:35:59 PM »

I have seen players getting scolded  for dropped catches or misfields and it does more harm than good, putting them under more pressure next time around. In fact, it comes to a point where no one wants a catch to come to them and i have seen cases when three fielders are in a position to take the same catch, and rather than shouting "mine", the fielders started shouting "yours" :)    -  effect of the fear of dropping the catch and getting reprimanded/being looked like a villian that cost team the game rather than just trying to make a good attempt at taking the catch...a very unfortunate situation i think..rather if one is always happy at the attempt made irrespective of the result, then fielders will start enjoying the game more, and they will hold onto some catches at least in future..at the end of the day, as non-professionals, if we don't enjoy the game irrespective of win/loss, then there is no point in playing it given that we spend so much time in the game on and off the field..
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Big Mac

Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2017, 02:39:06 PM »

I've dropped far too many catches to feel comfortable having a go at anyone else.
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2017, 11:41:23 PM »

Slagging off a team mate for misfielding or dropping a catch is totally out of order. We just give him a friendly ribbing, teflon gloves etc or try to encourage them to improve their catching technique. Every now and then the same player will take a great catch.
There's been a few times I dropped three in a game and then one year I dropped three out of twenty seven for the season total of 24, I was well chuffed.
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2017, 08:56:00 PM »

Often find the ones who complain often don't take responsibility for their own dropped catches.

A bloke i sometimes play with will often moan at drops off half-chances and yet every time he drops one it was " a really difficult catch" and is obviously never his fault.

He once dropped three incredibly straight forward catches at slip off my bowling in the space of about 4 overs, and then when it was raised in our 'fines' circle at the end of the game, was protesting that they were all barely chances.

Funnily enough he's the same bloke who thinks shouting " for f*** sake, just hit top of off!" will give bowlers magical accuracy powers.
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2017, 09:02:09 PM »

I have played with one of those.
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Re: How much is too much?
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2017, 09:27:26 PM »

We wouldn't be playing 7th division if we could all take every catch and hit top of off every ball!

Don't know why guys like this still play, because everything warrants a rant!
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