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Bruce

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Run out off a no ball
« on: August 05, 2017, 09:06:24 PM »

One from today chaps;
Ball is bowled, batsman advances, ball reached him above waist height, I would have said it was a no ball even though the batsman had advanced.

The ball skies into the air to me at mid off.
(I'm half aware that it may well have been a no ball)

Ump is stood there with arm out signalling no ball.
I run 7/8 metres to the stumps and whip bails off and appeal for the run out as batsman is no where near the crease (doesn't try to make his ground as I run at the stumps)

All eyes on the umpire
I carry on my appeal.

Their captain (out batting at the time) says neither of them heard a no ball call so should be a dead ball.
I tell him to get (No Swearing Please) and the bat is out.

He then stands there and somehow the game carries on, ended up getting probably the worst 70 you've seen in a while

Totally killed the so far good spirited game

Opposition did not supply an umpire. (No Swearing Please)
Our ump did not shout no ball (he wouldn't call wide ball, or no ball verbally

What should be the decision in this circumstance
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2017, 09:19:58 PM »

Even if it was a no ball you can still be run out.

Should have been out.
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2017, 09:21:49 PM »

Even if it was a no ball you can still be run out.

Should have been out.

Not really the issue.
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2017, 09:23:27 PM »

Did the batsman not bother to return to the crease because he thought he was out caught?
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2017, 09:26:48 PM »

I think technically a dead ball might be the right call, if 'no ball' was not verbally called. But in the right spirit? Probably not.
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2017, 09:43:36 PM »

Sounds like a complete mess caused by the umpire not giving a clear call of no ball. The argument the opposition skipper uses is valid as (from your narrative) the batsmen are not attempting to run.
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2017, 10:00:18 PM »

Sounds like a complete mess caused by the umpire not giving a clear call of no ball. The argument the opposition skipper uses is valid as (from your narrative) the batsmen are not attempting to run.

You don't necessarily have to attempting a run to be run out, but I agree with what you see. The lack of a an audible no ball call may have changed the batsman's action. He thought he was out caught?
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2017, 01:46:26 AM »

This has happened a few times in international cricket.. if the batsman is out of his crease because he thinks he is out (whereas in reality it's a no ball), it ends up being a dead ball. He cannot be run out. Ramiz Raja in the 92 WC is one example: https://youtu.be/oHNIiJjXCoI

Steve Bucknor is seen instantly signalling dead ball.. despite the attempts to run ramiz out.
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2017, 01:55:04 AM »

This has happened a few times in international cricket.. if the batsman is out of his crease because he thinks he is out (whereas in reality it's a no ball), it ends up being a dead ball. He cannot be run out. Ramiz Raja in the 92 WC is one example: https://youtu.be/oHNIiJjXCoI

Steve Bucknor is seen instantly signalling dead ball.. despite the attempts to run ramiz out.

And here, Bill Lawry explains it.. this happens in the second ball of this highlights clip: https://youtu.be/b400ht4708M
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2017, 05:57:04 AM »

If the batsman was out of his crease because he thought he was out then yeah, it's not out.
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2017, 06:33:27 AM »

Not really the issue.

Didn't realise he had been caught. Are you on a one person mission to be a (No Swearing Please) to as many people as possible or something?
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2017, 06:43:30 AM »

Did the batsman not bother to return to the crease because he thought he was out caught?

 Nope, the non striker got to the other end, he was stranded in middle of the track.
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2017, 06:44:47 AM »

If the batsman was out of his crease because he thought he was out then yeah, it's not out.

They were attempting to cross so new bat would not have been on strike.
Not like I've just been a (No Swearing Please) and taken bails off as he's stood at his guard
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2017, 07:41:15 AM »

12. Ball not dead

The ball does not become dead on the call of No ball.

16. Out from a No ball

When No ball has been called, neither batsman shall be out under any of the Laws except 33 (Handled the ball), 34 (Hit the ball twice), 37 (Obstructing the field) or 38 (Run out).

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As others have mentioned, if the laws had been followed to the letter, the batsman is out. However, no "Call" was made therefore it is understandable that the batsman may have set off for a run not realising that it was a no ball. Ball should be called dead.

EDIT: what I'm trying to say is that the only reason the ball is dead is because the laws of the game had not been followed for this delivery.
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Re: Run out off a no ball
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2017, 08:35:50 AM »

12. Ball not dead

The ball does not become dead on the call of No ball.

16. Out from a No ball

When No ball has been called, neither batsman shall be out under any of the Laws except 33 (Handled the ball), 34 (Hit the ball twice), 37 (Obstructing the field) or 38 (Run out).

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As others have mentioned, if the laws had been followed to the letter, the batsman is out. However, no "Call" was made therefore it is understandable that the batsman may have set off for a run not realising that it was a no ball. Ball should be called dead.

EDIT: what I'm trying to say is that the only reason the ball is dead is because the laws of the game had not been followed for this delivery.

That's all well and good if the batsmen were attempting a run or were making an effort to back in, however i'm pretty sure there's parts of the laws you've not quoted that state you cant be run out if you are in affect starting to leave the field in the mistaken belief that you are out. So if every letter of the law is followed, he's still not out.
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