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Radical technique change
« on: August 06, 2017, 07:39:37 PM »

So for the first few games of season I completely changed my batting technique. I stood narrow tall open front foot pointing down wicket with bat high baseball style face open.I scored 102 and 51 using this method. But then my bat handle broke. I used my old harrow then the repaired bat but the flow wasn't there. So on Saturday using my harrow I batted radically different. I batted wide stance knees very bent tapping bat on ground and then not lifting bat until ball was bowled. Bat face also closed. So the entire opposite of my start of season technique. I managed a rather less attractive 53 but 53 nevertheless. I've been playing quite a bit and I have this obsession with changing my technique.

Secondly I've been struggling with my shoulder but we desperately needed a wicket. I bowl off spin and normally side on but I ended up bowling 3 overs totally front on as this seemed to cause me less pain. However I've been bowling spin for 15 years and i don't think I've bowled with the same action and run up more than about a few weeks in a row.

So as you see I don't simply tinker with my batting and bowling I completely change my methods constantly. Does anyone else do this? Any of you changed technique and had great success? Or disaster?
I have my cup final on Saturday and I'm going to stick with technique from Saturday but I'm torn between using the harrow and using the bat I got the ton with. I've never played at the ground the final is at or the team we are playing so no idea on deck or whether they have quickies or not. Think I will try both bats in nets but I'm thinking of sticking with the harrow.

Bowling wise will be sticking with front on and remain a 6th bowler option.
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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 10:06:50 AM »

Haven't changed my batting so much. Its all about being comfortable and getting the bio-mechanics right (head level - bat swinging straight) for me. Tried a wide stance but I'm too short (had to rock back to take a forward stride) so I now have a hip width stance thats comfortable.

Tinker all the time with my bowling action. I broke my collar bone a couple of years ago so had to change to counteract the change in shoulder impingement. Learning leg spin now and that feels like continuous change (because I'm learning).

Interesting about the chest on bowling. When you throw, do you sight using your opposite arm? I don't and so for me the front on bowling action feels more natural. Interested if you have the same experience.
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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 10:37:08 AM »

Slightly off topic but everyone is front on when they bowl. This "side on" thing comes from the gather and step prior to delivery stride.
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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2017, 12:52:51 PM »

It would be interesting to see videos of your different techniques.... my guess is from a batting perspective you just have a good hand eye co-ordination and no matter what your starting position is i bet when you hit the ball the fundementals (still head, weight transfer and hands) are pretty consistent.  A wagon wheel of your scoring shots using the different stances might also give an insight...

A guess a few batsmen change their fundamental stance depending on the format they are playing and the type of bowler they are facing but my guess would be on the world stage against the top players having a repetitive and common set up is preferable...
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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2017, 01:10:22 PM »


So as you see I don't simply tinker with my batting and bowling I completely change my methods constantly. Does anyone else do this? Any of you changed technique and had great success? Or disaster?
I have my cup final on Saturday and I'm going to stick with technique from Saturday but I'm torn between using the harrow and using the bat I got the ton with. I've never played at the ground the final is at or the team we are playing so no idea on deck or whether they have quickies or not. Think I will try both bats in nets but I'm thinking of sticking with the harrow.


That's a tough situation to be in.

I started my season well but some unintentional changes to my setup resulted in bad form. I went to see a coach. He tweaked many things in my technique which did naught in real game situations - my low scores continued. It took a while to realize what I was doing wrong before I had had seen the coach and what changes he made were useless. I am finally back to hitting balls well, timing, position, footwark, and balance are working - atleast in the nets. :D

What really helped me find my rhythm back was batting in the nets against different types of bowling. Batting against very good, very quick bowlers on different surface conditions helped iron out wrinkles in my technique. A good bat (TK) always helps to expedite matters. ;)

In case you are wondering, I went back to narrow-tall-front-on batting stance; only thing I am doing differently (and this is one piece of advice that worked from my coach) is "dipping my head and shoulder" to the ball.
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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2017, 02:54:43 PM »

Slightly off topic but everyone is front on when they bowl. This "side on" thing comes from the gather and step prior to delivery stride.

Yes I mean in that there is no rotation in bound and gather and back foot is pointing down wicket.
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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2017, 02:57:27 PM »

Not really radical; However, I use trigger movement when I go in early or not feeling it. Once I get going, I stop it.
While slogging, I bring it back.
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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2017, 03:01:27 PM »

I also forgot to add that I use two different grips as well. So for the standing tall stance I use a wide grip like Root and very loose bottom hand. For my more crouched stance I use a tight choke grip both hands together at the shoulder but this loosens and moves up bat slightly during the innings.
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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2017, 03:14:14 PM »

I also forgot to add that I use two different grips as well. So for the standing tall stance I use a wide grip like Root and very loose bottom hand. For my more crouched stance I use a tight choke grip both hands together at the shoulder but this loosens and moves up bat slightly during the innings.

I suspect changing your grip on your bat will change: a.) feel of the ball on the bat; b.) change the areas you are striking the ball on the bat; in either scenario, you will not develop the consistency you need to become confident in your shots (and ultimately your technique). If my bat (I always blame the bat :D) is not performing, I tend to over power my shots which changes my shapes and results bad technique. It is critical that I hold the bat in the same place and consistently strike the ball from the same area(s) of my bat for maximum power. My best shots with least amount of effort are the ones where I can using my trampoline bat as I am exerting less and maintaining my shape.

Yes,  I know, pros (Root) changes his grip but I am not a pro. :D
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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2017, 03:41:24 PM »

I suspect changing your grip on your bat will change: a.) feel of the ball on the bat; b.) change the areas you are striking the ball on the bat; in either scenario, you will not develop the consistency you need to become confident in your shots (and ultimately your technique). If my bat (I always blame the bat :D) is not performing, I tend to over power my shots which changes my shapes and results bad technique. It is critical that I hold the bat in the same place and consistently strike the ball from the same area(s) of my bat for maximum power. My best shots with least amount of effort are the ones where I can using my trampoline bat as I am exerting less and maintaining my shape.

Yes,  I know, pros (Root) changes his grip but I am not a pro. :D



I think my main problem as in life I over analyse. Therefore a couple of low scores it is the technique change it. I can also get quite nervous before and during games. At start of season I was confident and relaxed dropped down to 2s and could experiment with technique and held the bat loosely and correctly and those 2 innings 102 and 51 were best I had batted in years.As the cup run has progressed and league promotion has got closer I've reverted back to the tight grip low back lift imo less risk averse technique. I keep saying to myself trust my eyes and hands and play shots but the fear of getting out takes over. Will be a nervous wreck tomorrow in cup final be unsurprised if I don't be sick on pitch!

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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2017, 04:55:17 PM »

I keep saying to myself trust my eyes and hands and play shots but the fear of getting out takes over.

Why play shots? Why not just take singles and keep rotating strike until you are absolutely confident. A solid strike-rotation/aggressive running does wonders for team's and batter's morale.
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Re: Radical technique change
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2017, 07:13:09 PM »

Why play shots? Why not just take singles and keep rotating strike until you are absolutely confident. A solid strike-rotation/aggressive running does wonders for team's and batter's morale.

When I say play shots I quite literally mean play a shot as opposed to blocking it and leaving it! I freeze up! The aim is do what you said. I opened on Sat. First 12 overs we scored at 2 an over. We lost an early wicket and I was in with the no 3 blocker. Would imagine it was painful to watch but saw off the opening bowlers and then they had nothing after that we ended up 180 off 30 overs.

I'm quite aware of my limitations taking quick singles and rotating is my game but sometimes I can't even do that and that's when I get bogged down.
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