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Gurujames

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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2017, 10:05:01 AM »

Just to say first I don't think that uk made bats are better than bats made elsewhere. But I would never buy a bat that was not made in England. I believe it is too important to maintain these skills in this country.
Furthermore, I would Not buy a CNC made bat for the same reason.
Lastly, I avoid all 'major' brands because they fall foul of at least one of the above and I don't like the idea of my bat being mass produced.
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2017, 10:13:07 AM »

@Gurujames what do you mean by CNC made?
If you mean 100% shaped by CNC machine fair enough, but ruling out any bat that has ever been on a CNC during the manufacturing process would be incredibly limiting!
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2017, 10:17:35 AM »

Shaped by cnc. For me this rules out GM and B3.
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2017, 10:21:44 AM »

I was never very keen on 'Bumshitz Crikit' - I don't know, I guess I just felt it sent out the wrong message.
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2017, 10:23:22 AM »

Just to say first I don't think that uk made bats are better than bats made elsewhere. But I would never buy a bat that was not made in England. I believe it is too important to maintain these skills in this country.
Furthermore, I would Not buy a CNC made bat for the same reason.
Lastly, I avoid all 'major' brands because they fall foul of at least one of the above and I don't like the idea of my bat being mass produced.

I think the CNC approach undersells itself for the skill required to put together a good bat. The pressing is the same, the skill in balancing the bat with different handle weights etc, the finishing... all you take out is the gross shaping I guess which a lot of "hand made in the UK" bats would have undergone on a copy lathe anyway. The problem with having morals is that they are easily challenged  :)

I can however get behind the idea of escaping from anything mass produced. Bats are variable things and you can easily see the pit falls of doing this in a mass produced way. Only GM seem to have the consistency of quality in mass production but the end result isn't all that sexy for me.

I guess what it comes down to for me is I want the bat I end up with to feel special for some reason, and bats these days are too much money to have a run of the mill lump of wood. Sounds broadly similar to your view James although via a different route?

Back on topic, Slaz, Spartan, Kook, MRF, Adidas, Nike, NB, Aero, Puma, Reebok... those type of companies do nothing for me. GM I'm on the fence with and I grew up with GN so cut them some slack although I think I've only seen one off the shelf bat I would get on with.
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2017, 10:28:42 AM »

I was never very keen on 'Bumshitz Crikit' - I don't know, I guess I just felt it sent out the wrong message.

How is your opinion of the South African cricket bat manufacturer based in Cape Town? I never see the "&" in the logo  and it ruins it for me...

Same is true of the other popular SA manufacturer... no-one wants a Bull Sh..t bat  :)
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2017, 10:32:58 AM »

How is your opinion of the South African cricket bat manufacturer based in Cape Town? I never see the "&" in the logo  and it ruins it for me...

Same is true of the other popular SA manufacturer... no-one wants a Bull Sh..t bat  :)


At least Bellingham & Smith actually use the '&'  ;)

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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2017, 10:54:22 AM »

This thread is all a bit odd.
A quality bat is a quality bat. If you don't like the handle shape or the shape of the bat that is one thing, but most of this seems to be subjective based on myths, rumours and a dislike of some bats branding.

If you pick up a bat and it feels good in the hands and bounce a ball on it and it has a good middle nothing else matters.
Yes quality of handle and the pressing is vital bit most of the rest can be changed...
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2017, 11:00:23 AM »

Add in their an appreciation of the podshavers' craft and support of 'made in Britain'.
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2017, 11:04:31 AM »

This thread is all a bit odd.
A quality bat is a quality bat. If you don't like the handle shape or the shape if the bat that is one thing, but most of this seems to be subjective based on myths, rumours and a dislike of some bats branding.

If you pick up a bat and it feels good in the hands and bounce a ball on it and it has a good middle nothing else matters.
Yes quality of handle and the pressing is vital bit most of the rest can be changed...

Yes, we see it all the time. A customer arrives to buy a bat, i ask a few questions and suggest a few bats accordingly. I'll start to pick out some bats from brand x and they'll go 'oh no i had one of them and it broke/was a plank.' Sometimes it's even 'my friend had one and didn't like it'

OK then we'll send back all this stock from a market leading international business with decades of experience in the industry because your mate couldn't use one at some point in the past.... Was it a Kashmir from sports direct? Was it his dads 20 year old hand me down stored in a damp shed? Is your mate **** at cricket? Lots of variables.

Most brands are capable of making very good bats, they are all capable of making not so good bats. This is where i feel hand selecting a bat is reasonably important, though not exactly a hill to die on, GM being a good example of bats i'm quite happy to be sent without having an input on what we will be getting. For hand selecting to actually work i do feel the person choosing them has to know what they are talking about, and some level of cricket ability also helps. I wouldn't buy my golf clubs anywhere but a PGA Pro Shop for example.
I usually qualify my statement about choosing the bats myself when talking to a customer with 'of course, you have to trust my judgement when it comes to choosing bats i feel are the best' - just because a bat is hand picked doesn't automatically make it good, or 'better'
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2017, 11:08:52 AM »

Anyway back to the topic, i've always had an aversion to anything that uses the word 'sport' or 'sports' in the brand name. Don't know why, it just doesn't sound very 'cricket'

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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2017, 11:27:34 AM »

This thread is all a bit odd.
A quality bat is a quality bat. If you don't like the handle shape or the shape of the bat that is one thing, but most of this seems to be subjective based on myths, rumours and a dislike of some bats branding.

If you pick up a bat and it feels good in the hands and bounce a ball on it and it has a good middle nothing else matters.
Yes quality of handle and the pressing is vital bit most of the rest can be changed...

No, I think it is an interesting one. The whole point of the OP is what brands do you instantly overlook based on something irrational and prejudiced?

It is interesting to see what brands the myths, rumours and branding put people here off a bat.

Interesting Kook come up for nearly everyone here yet these seem to be the most popular brand among people I play with/ against. Kind of interesting to see how this niche forum interprets bats vs the wider cricketing public...
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2017, 11:43:37 AM »

Shaped by cnc. For me this rules out GM and B3.

And any newbury made before 2016? Or TK bat, and any other TK bat stickered up by another company........ Not that many left that make in the UK......

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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2017, 11:47:26 AM »

Interesting Kook come up for nearly everyone here yet these seem to be the most popular brand among people I play with/ against. Kind of interesting to see how this niche forum interprets bats vs the wider cricketing public...
Think there's a simple reason for this - I used to love Kook, and they were very popular early 2000s through big sponsorships and making superb bats, but then personally went off them when they decided all their bats should be high middled and concaved with a thin round handle. What does your average club cricketer rate above all else when picking a bat up for the first time though? Light pickups and big edges! Hence mighty bat sales, despite what always seemed like a lot of them breaking.
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Re: Does any brand name put you off?
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2017, 11:55:47 AM »

Think there's a simple reason for this - I used to love Kook, and they were very popular early 2000s through big sponsorships and making superb bats, but then personally went off them when they decided all their bats should be high middled and concaved with a thin round handle. What does your average club cricketer rate above all else when picking a bat up for the first time though? Light pickups and big edges! Hence mighty bat sales, despite what always seemed like a lot of them breaking.

The old shape biggest Kahuna's were beautiful! Nice long middle and incredibly full.

I know @smilley792 used to despair that the only heavy options Kook did were the quirky "power bulge" models
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