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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2017, 01:07:31 PM »

The more I think about it, the more I like grade Cricket.  Biggie, I take it if your team are getting stuffed every week and you don't have sufficient depth to reshuffle, you can elect to drop a grade?

If it wasn't full of spiders. I'd be over to Aus tomorrow.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2017, 09:59:03 PM »

The more I think about it, the more I like grade Cricket.  Biggie, I take it if your team are getting stuffed every week and you don't have sufficient depth to reshuffle, you can elect to drop a grade?

If it wasn't full of spiders. I'd be over to Aus tomorrow.


Nope . If 1s are getting stuffed each week they will likely finish last ( you would assume the best players are already being picked , so you can change/drop/swap some players etc and hope you get better performances ). If 5s are getting stuffed each week it means that your clubs worst players are worse than other clubs worst players ( you could , theoretically,  put higher grade players in 5s but no one wants to do this because the higher a grade the more club championship points that are earned for a win.... its a disincentive to weaken your higher grades just to stack your lower grades). The middle grades , 4/3/2 , if they are getting done like a dinner every week, would be making changes to the side ,  bringing in players from a grade up or down , trying to find a competitive balance .
So , yeah , potentially,  the lowest and highest grades can have a few stragglers at the bottom of the table (although its never the same clubs indefinitely , and when you have 20 or 14 , whatever , teams , this would often be the case regardless). The middle grades are pretty much immune to this .

Ps  spiders are nothing , its the drop bears that are the real danger .
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2017, 10:14:08 PM »

Not trying to offend anyone .... i dont look down on park/village cricket - I've played plenty of it myself , and know there are always plenty of players who could , if they wanted to , play grade/higher level comps etc .
 If a team is rurally located , fair enough , it's a bit hard to expect them to go to a different team or club simply because they are too good/crap in their current comp. However , in urban/suburban instances , in big cricket playing countries , this can be easily avoided....just play in a comp that suits your commitment levels , and play for a team /in a division that suits your playing abilities..... nothing new there !
I was making points that you can have a system whereby you can avoid convoluted points systems and promotion /relegation .... and even if your comp (ie park or village comp) , club , or team can't withstand the pressures/influnces of a graded system , a comp can just administrate - adjust the teams in each division, based on team composition,  performance , without a formal promotion /relegation system . But , even if a comp does still want formal promotion /relegation , it is no real reason to have such twisted points structures..... just have finals ! The top 4, 6 teams fight it out to win the comp and who wil be the top 2, 3, whatever,  teams to get promoted . You can even have a bottom of the table finals series too,  to see who gets relegated . Sure beats a system that encourages a team to bat first , or bowl first or whatever ( or , god forbid , declare at 3/18 !).
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #78 on: August 31, 2017, 09:14:41 AM »

 Having won 15 out of 16 matches  over 4 months and a big points gap between ourselves and the team finishing second  seems pointless   To have a  final or a  finals knockout day surely winning  over a season is better.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #79 on: August 31, 2017, 10:11:06 PM »

What happened at the Oval today makes you rethink the spirit of cricket!!!!
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #80 on: September 01, 2017, 05:54:58 AM »

That has nothing to do with cricket.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #81 on: September 01, 2017, 10:50:57 AM »

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/cricket/little-welsh-team-caused-absolute-13536134

I thought this was worth posting. I absolutely love this. Against the spirit of the game? Most definitely. But they got the job done.


I wonder if they offered them a T20 bash after!!!

This sort of manipulating of the rules goes on all the time.  A few years back when we were top of the league, if there was a chance of rain, the opposition would be trying to get the game called off or abandoned. In one division 1 game, we bowled the opposition out for 60 ish. Then it rained during tea. During the interval I heard the opposition Captain tell all his bowlers to change into trainers, when we came out they were slipping about on the used ends, claiming to the Umpires it was to dangerous to play. Lucky for us the umpires were having none of it and we won in under 6 overs.
The reason for this is, in our League rules you get nothing (apart from bonus points) for losing but you get 5 points for the abandoned game, other clubs would rather not play and get 5 point, than play and get beat.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2017, 07:32:43 AM »

Hijack this thread slightly and post another against the spirit of cricket:

Pollard bowling a massive no ball to deny lewis a 100
https://twitter.com/i/moments/904701510717771777

Shades of Mo amir at lords with the size of that no ball
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2017, 07:58:22 AM »

Hijack this thread slightly and post another against the spirit of cricket:

Pollard bowling a massive no ball to deny lewis a 100
https://twitter.com/i/moments/904701510717771777

Shades of Mo amir at lords with the size of that no ball

Ridiculous. Can't understand what goes through some peoples heads.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2017, 09:15:59 AM »

The original questionable decision in this thread at least makes sense as the team got something out of it. I just can't get my head around why Pollard would bother be such a *&%$
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #85 on: September 05, 2017, 10:37:40 AM »

The original questionable decision in this thread at least makes sense as the team got something out of it. I just can't get my head around why Pollard would bother be such a *&%$

My thoughts exactly, your team has been battered either way the only thing you gain by denying Lewis his ton is a reputation as a cock.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #86 on: September 05, 2017, 10:54:17 AM »

While we're sidetracking things, what about this one from Andre Russel a few years ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fegRyDcJF6Y

I have disagreed fairly strongly with a few teammates about whether this is acceptable or not.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #87 on: September 05, 2017, 11:03:02 AM »

Hijack this thread slightly and post another against the spirit of cricket:

Pollard bowling a massive no ball to deny lewis a 100
https://twitter.com/i/moments/904701510717771777

Shades of Mo amir at lords with the size of that no ball

Same thing happened in a Sri Lanka-India ODI a few years back iirc, it's so ridiculously petty.
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #88 on: September 05, 2017, 11:11:42 AM »

Same thing happened in a Sri Lanka-India ODI a few years back iirc, it's so ridiculously petty.

Saint Sangakarra was the one who asked his bowler to do it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFgiZHxgAUA
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Re: Against the "Spirit of Cricket?"
« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2017, 11:17:23 AM »

At that level it is a cheap trick but I'm not too against it as the batsman should be watching the ball. A few people have done that against Watson and it can't be a coincidence Watson was facing them all. It's not so much that ball which is interesting but the next one as it had the intended effect of breaking concentration and nearly getting the wicket. I think Johnson also bowled one at Watson like that but from behind the umpire a bit like the first one in this video but with a halted run up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo7fWqmpitk
« Last Edit: September 05, 2017, 11:23:48 AM by DorsetDan »
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