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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2017, 08:21:32 AM »

The one on the left no hard heartwood as heartwood  doesn't ping as well as the softer white willow also heartwood can be brittle.
Leave the heartwood one for left handers who don't often use the middle of the bat.
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2017, 12:06:15 PM »

The one on the left no hard heartwood as heartwood  doesn't ping as well as the softer white willow also heartwood can be brittle.
Leave the heartwood one for left handers who don't often use the middle of the bat.

Are you sure?
Isn't there a theory the ball comes off heartwood better (which is why some people like it on their outside edge, so it clears the corden when they flash)
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2017, 12:52:57 PM »

Are you sure?
Isn't there a theory the ball comes off heartwood better (which is why some people like it on their outside edge, so it clears the corden when they flash)
They may well be Cam
But as heartwood is denser and  lacking in sap it is harder thus having a negative effect on the willow by being effectively dead  therefore heartwood  does not have any rebound properties.
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2017, 01:12:19 PM »

They may well be Cam
But as heartwood is denser and  lacking in sap it is harder thus having a negative effect on the willow by being effectively dead  therefore heartwood  does not have any rebound properties.

If that's the case, then what's the whole butterfly willow theory about? I thought that had greater rebound properties as a result of being harder?

Personally I've always found heartwood to be much more prone to cracking - which would thus lead me to believe it is softer, not harder?
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2017, 01:19:47 PM »

If that's the case, then what's the whole butterfly willow theory about? I thought that had greater rebound properties as a result of being harder?

Personally I've always found heartwood to be much more prone to cracking - which would thus lead me to believe it is softer, not harder?

I think the reason for that is that is lacks sap and is more brittle. I've never had a big preference either way but it obviously has rebound qualities, I've seen that are full or largely heartwood that fly!
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2017, 01:45:03 PM »

If that's the case, then what's the whole butterfly willow theory about? I thought that had greater rebound properties as a result of being harder?

Personally I've always found heartwood to be much more prone to cracking - which would thus lead me to believe it is softer, not harder?

For rebound Adam you need sap in your bat. Heartwood can crack due to it being to   brittle as Kulli as written a bat with a lot of heartwood is also heavier and denser compared to a sap wood  equivalent bat.
As for butterfly bats they are the lowest graded willow you can get there was a resurgence a couple of years ago but for me that was clever marketing.
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2017, 02:03:38 PM »

They may well be Cam
But as heartwood is denser and  lacking in sap it is harder thus having a negative effect on the willow by being effectively dead  therefore heartwood  does not have any rebound properties.

I had an all heartwood GM Octane and the rebound was up there with any bat I've owned. In fact the only difference I noticed between that and an all sapwood bat was that oil took longer to soak in.

If heartwood didn't ping why do so many pros now use bats bats that are half and half?
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2017, 02:20:35 PM »

I had an all heartwood GM Octane and the rebound was up there with any bat I've owned. In fact the only difference I noticed between that and an all sapwood bat was that oil took longer to soak in.

If heartwood didn't ping why do so many pros now use bats bats that are half and half?

Agree some do but how many pros have pure Sapwood bats and how many have bats made from clefts that have been skimmed off the clefts the clefts that are rarely or never available to the bat buying public?
As for ping a good batmaker can press a fence post and it will ping.
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2017, 04:58:43 PM »

Ignore everyone and go with the bat makers comments! He knows more about willow than us!
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2017, 05:39:36 PM »

Albert Trott used an all heartwood bat. I'll just leave that information here.
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2017, 06:02:21 PM »

How much do they weigh at present? Is either much lower density?
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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2017, 07:18:02 PM »

Ignore everyone and go with the bat makers comments! He knows more about willow than us!

Roger that!

How much do they weigh at present? Is either much lower density?

Don't know current weight.  Both will have a finished weight of 2lb 9.5oz, so I'm assuming similar density.

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Re: Cleft Selection - Opinion
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2017, 07:47:32 PM »

Cleft on the right for me, what brand is this?
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