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Title: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: jd163 on June 18, 2017, 10:23:26 PM
Is this true? B3 claiming that Fakhar Zaman's bat is made by B3. Can B3 openly claim that the bat is made by them when the stickers are from CA. Here is the story from B3's facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/B3Cricket/photos/a.531463293537805.135622.403435713007231/1773045429379579/?type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/B3Cricket/photos/a.531463293537805.135622.403435713007231/1773045429379579/?type=3)
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: brokenbat on June 19, 2017, 12:07:15 AM
Is this true? B3 claiming that Fakhar Zaman's bat is made by B3. Can B3 openly claim that the bat is made by them when the stickers are from CA. Here is the story from B3's facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/B3Cricket/photos/a.531463293537805.135622.403435713007231/1773045429379579/?type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/B3Cricket/photos/a.531463293537805.135622.403435713007231/1773045429379579/?type=3)

I think its an open secret by now.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: dougydee on June 19, 2017, 12:31:46 AM
Open secret or not, it's rare to see other bat makers claiming ownership of bats stickered up by another company.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: InternalTraining on June 19, 2017, 12:41:10 AM
Aren't all/most pro bats stickered up? Why the public declaration? Why no declarations about Finch, Root's bats?
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Michael.Franks1965 on June 19, 2017, 12:47:34 AM
B3 are new to the industry so maybe cut them some slack.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: IQ on June 19, 2017, 12:49:03 AM
Open secret or not, it's rare to see other bat makers claiming ownership of bats stickered up by another company.

True, B3 are acting cheeky but this could cause issues for the young player with his sponsor/contract. Especially when the sponsor are a big bat maker themselves
 

Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Biggie Smalls on June 19, 2017, 12:58:52 AM
Technically b3 didn't say his bat was b3 .... they just said that they can make one exactly the same . We all know thats because they have the cnc profile number from when they made his bat , but at a pinch b3 could just say they mean that they can make an exact replica of a ca 15000 . Simple . Cheeky , borderline perhaps , but simple nonetheless.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Shinpathy on June 19, 2017, 01:22:22 AM
Easy marketing ;)
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: InternalTraining on June 19, 2017, 01:36:12 AM
Technically b3 didn't say his bat was b3 .... they just said that they can make one exactly the same . We all know thats because they have the cnc profile number from when they made his bat , but at a pinch b3 could just say they mean that they can make an exact replica of a ca 15000 . Simple . Cheeky , borderline perhaps , but simple nonetheless.

Here is a tweet:
Michael Blatherwick‏ @blathers66  Jun 7
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" When you see one of your bats smash it around in #iccchampionstrophy2017 and it doesn't have your stickers on it's a bit of a fakhar 🤐"

Cute, isn't it. :D

Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: jd163 on June 19, 2017, 03:30:14 AM
I rate B3 among the best bat makers and i got 2 B3 bats myself. It would be intersting if B3 can share the profile details of the bat like they did for Shan Masood profile. @The Doctor
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: sarg on June 19, 2017, 04:43:27 AM
I rate B3 among the best bat makers and i got 2 B3 bats myself. It would be intersting if B3 can share the profile details of the bat like they did for Shan Masood profile. @The Doctor

I think it's the 5432 one. ;)
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: The Doctor on June 19, 2017, 07:56:16 AM
B3 are new to the industry so maybe cut them some slack.

It is all down to the player, for example - Shoib Malik did not mind people knowing that we made his bats, where as another Pakistan player at the same time didn't want people to know - so we didn't say anything.

Finch openly posted on instagram/twitter, other players like him have said again that we must keep it a secret.

We would love to tell you all who we make for but we have an agreement with either other brands or individual players.

As for new to the business - B3 has been around for 5 years, and prior to that a further 28 years in the industry in a global cricket brand.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: jd163 on June 19, 2017, 08:06:31 AM
@The Doctor  can we get the profile details and number?
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: FattusCattus on June 19, 2017, 08:40:17 AM
As for new to the business - B3 has been around for 5 years, and prior to that a further 28 years in the industry in a global cricket brand.

Yes, that posters comment did make me chuckle a lot, so much 'knowledge' on this forum at times :)
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: potzy248 on June 19, 2017, 09:01:11 AM
I would have said "Surely no-one in the world still thinks that Pros only use the brand on their bats" Then I saw some of the Pakistani comments on B3's post on FB and I just rolled my eyes.
Obviously a hell of a bat because he didn't middle too many in that innings and it still flew.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Michael.Franks1965 on June 19, 2017, 09:10:52 AM
Are your anywhere near to Finsbury Park Bruce ?
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Gingerbusiness on June 19, 2017, 09:14:59 AM
I would have said "Surely no-one in the world still thinks that Pros only use the brand on their bats" Then I saw some of the Pakistani comments on B3's post on FB and I just rolled my eyes.
Obviously a hell of a bat because he didn't middle too many in that innings and it still flew.

B3 have been around for 5 years but how many years have Newbery, Hunts and Millichamp been around?

They have all made bats for top players. They have all had to watch other brands, with much deeper pockets, burn through their marketing budgets to have pros use their brand on TV.

On a similar note, you have to ask yourself if people genuinely think that, for example, NB (A shoe retailer) and MRF (A tyre manufacturer) make their bats.

If people are naive enough, let them carry on. We know better... fortunately!
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: FattusCattus on June 19, 2017, 09:56:19 AM
Are your anywhere near to Finsbury Park Bruce ?

No I am not Michel. Franks - are your?

Or perhaps you are near Nottingham and I have foolishly underestimated your knowledge :)
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Michael.Franks1965 on June 19, 2017, 10:11:27 AM
Nottingham could be a bridge far for me.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Nmcgee on June 19, 2017, 10:12:39 AM
Whatever happened to 'If you bought the bat as Brand X, then it is a Brand X bat.'

I reckon if B3 want the glory of an international scoring big with their equipment then they should sponsor him. CA are paying his bills so I think we should respect that.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Michael.Franks1965 on June 19, 2017, 10:25:51 AM
I'm not convinced meet the parents is working with a b3 blade.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: liscon12 on June 19, 2017, 10:27:05 AM
B3 have a right to call out players who have potentially broken agreements or contracts and to make sure people know it is themselves who should receive praise for the bat in the players hands.

I doubt the is case here but you never know. Is there any cases of players breaking contracts?
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: mo_town on June 19, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
Isnt there some sort of an NDA between the batmakers/players/brands to protect the brands' interests? Never seen any batmaker so blatantly claim that they are the makers of the players' bats.

If every bat maker goes around making such claims, it would surely have some effect on the brand's sales.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: neoncricket on June 19, 2017, 10:40:55 AM
The real question here is who is @Michael.Franks1965??

My money's on our old friend Mr Vincent...


As for B3, if it's not in the players contract then they're well within their right to advertise.

Saying that if I was in CA's shoes then I certainly wouldn't be best pleased (but then it's also their fault for not getting it in the contract in the first place!!).
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Michael.Franks1965 on June 19, 2017, 11:00:03 AM
Have you released your 2017 gloves yet Adam or are you still working out the numbers on Lavers offer ?

Trust me, I'm not Lekka James.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Kulli on June 19, 2017, 11:08:46 AM
Have a feeling you might be thailand based at least.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: The Doctor on June 19, 2017, 11:16:25 AM
B3 have a right to call out players who have potentially broken agreements or contracts and to make sure people know it is themselves who should receive praise for the bat in the players hands.

I doubt the is case here but you never know. Is there any cases of players breaking contracts?

Not a case of calling out players - if players are open for us to publicise that we make their bats then we will occasionally do so, especially in high profile matches. If not (in the majority of cases) we will respect their wishes and not say a dickie bird.

Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: neoncricket on June 19, 2017, 11:47:16 AM
Trust me, I'm not Lekka James.


http://www.metrolyrics.com/vincents-ear-lyrics-michael-franks.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/vincents-ear-lyrics-michael-franks.html)

10/10 for effort I'll give you that one!
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: jd163 on June 19, 2017, 05:10:16 PM
@The Doctor I am still interested in the bat profile details.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: procricket on June 19, 2017, 05:17:43 PM
It is all down to the player, for example - Shoib Malik did not mind people knowing that we made his bats, where as another Pakistan player at the same time didn't want people to know - so we didn't say anything.

Finch openly posted on instagram/twitter, other players like him have said again that we must keep it a secret.

We would love to tell you all who we make for but we have an agreement with either other brands or individual players.

As for new to the business - B3 has been around for 5 years, and prior to that a further 28 years in the industry in a global cricket brand.

picture of Shoab and Me is pride of place...

Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: adb club cricketer on June 19, 2017, 05:23:31 PM
@The Doctor I am still interested in the bat profile details.
me too :)
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Canners on June 19, 2017, 09:54:16 PM
Me too also what grade would you get for the said 330 ?
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: dannyhall04 on June 19, 2017, 10:01:44 PM
1 I'd imagine
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: InternalTraining on June 19, 2017, 10:04:13 PM
Have you guys considered the possibility that he might have actually used a CA in the final? :D

I think I saw a bow in his bat. :D
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: objcpp on June 20, 2017, 05:17:04 AM
Me too also what grade would you get for the said 330 ?

I believe Dr. responded in B3 twitter handle that it's a 3 stripe.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: jimmy23 on June 20, 2017, 07:06:40 AM
Have you guys considered the possibility that he might have actually used a CA in the final? :D

I think I saw a bow in his bat. :D


Not much bowing going off to be fair

(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/jimmyboydun/Mobile%20Uploads/A6065318-259D-4608-80EC-7C547CF9FA8C_zpsrgfl4bgi.jpg) (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/jimmyboydun/media/Mobile%20Uploads/A6065318-259D-4608-80EC-7C547CF9FA8C_zpsrgfl4bgi.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: The Doctor on June 20, 2017, 09:13:32 AM
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Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: The Doctor on June 20, 2017, 09:17:05 AM
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Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Bat and Ball Cricket on June 20, 2017, 09:38:59 AM
B3 have been around for 5 years but how many years have Newbery, Hunts and Millichamp been around?

They have all made bats for top players. They have all had to watch other brands, with much deeper pockets, burn through their marketing budgets to have pros use their brand on TV.

On a similar note, you have to ask yourself if people genuinely think that, for example, NB (A shoe retailer) and MRF (A tyre manufacturer) make their bats.

If people are naive enough, let them carry on. We know better... fortunately!

I'm more concerned about the kids that 'have to have x bat, like their favourite star', when his bats aren't made by his sponsor.
Paying money for a an ill represent product, just to pay off big sponsorship deals is wrong in my books.

Whatever happened to 'If you bought the bat as Brand X, then it is a Brand X bat.'

I reckon if B3 want the glory of an international scoring big with their equipment then they should sponsor him. CA are paying his bills so I think we should respect that.

If CA are paying the bills, they should produce a product that the player wants to use. If your gear is s*#& and the player feels the need to go somewhere else, fair game for that company that actually produces the goods to claim ownership of their product.
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Biggie Smalls on June 20, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
I'm more concerned about the kids that 'have to have x bat, like their favourite star', when his bats aren't made by his sponsor.
Paying money for a an ill represent product, just to pay off big sponsorship deals is wrong in my books.

If CA are paying the bills, they should produce a product that the player wants to use. If your gear is s*#& and the player feels the need to go somewhere else, fair game for that company that actually produces the goods to claim ownership of their product.

Or you can look at like this : bat is a blank canvas . Batmaker/sponsor can provide the canvas and the advertising,  or the sponsor can just provide the advertising and the player can source their own canvas .
Cars are 'stickered up' , so are tvs , computers , so many things these days . No one ever really complains that brand x tv has a samsung panel , or the rolls royce is just a stickered up beemer .
Re the little kid who wants a bat the same as his favourite player -a) parent buys best bat they can afford to get the kid irrespective of whether the kid likes the brand/stickers, b) parent buys the best performing bat with the right stickers on them( ultimately,  the kid would be happy with this outcome , even if the player actually uses something else) , c) parent says 'stuff it , you can use this bat i had back in 1972 when i was your age' .  :D :(
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Calzehbhoy on June 20, 2017, 09:59:55 AM
Interested by this @The Doctor , why would anybody choose profile 2 with a much smaller sweet spot?
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: The Doctor on June 20, 2017, 10:20:41 AM
Interested by this @The Doctor , why would anybody choose profile 2 with a much smaller sweet spot?

Different Weights for different formats
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Kez on June 20, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
With cricket bats being made from Willow a great natural product cricketers will always be looking for the stick that they feel most confident with.
Unlike golf clubs or darts which are machine made to very small tolerances where a manufacturer can truly replicate what a player is after time after time.

And from Fakhar's point of view- he has just broken his fav bat in the nets and a new CA may take a few days to get delivered from his CA batmaker. Or as he in the area goes and sees B3 (or any other UK batmaker) and walks out with some new sticks there and then.


Finally, I'm sure @The Doctor and the B3 boys are not naive to think that it doesn't happen them too- A B3 sponsored player using another brand's bat stickered as one of theirs.

Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: Canners on June 20, 2017, 01:41:18 PM
@thedoctor what weight would these come in at ?
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: The Doctor on June 20, 2017, 02:00:24 PM
@thedoctor what weight would these come in at ?

The smaller one - 2'8 / the bigger one 2'10
Title: Re: Fakhar Zaman's bat .. CA or B3?
Post by: procricket on June 20, 2017, 04:58:25 PM
One of them bats looks very familiar