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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 08:11:25 PM »

At a cheaper price than what?

At a cheaper price than we buy them singly I guess.
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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2013, 08:13:05 PM »

It is possible to buy pressed (and even handled) clefts in bulk at a still cheaper price  :).

I am sure it might be, but a large supplier is not going to have the time or inclination to sell a few of these on eBay to feed a few wannabe batmakers.
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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2013, 08:14:57 PM »

Than a cheaper price than you would buying them singly I guess.

Yes, and I think if you spoke to some of the sponsors on here, you would find a discount in bulk purchases too.

The smaller companies are more likely to be interested in selling these than the big 6.
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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2013, 08:16:12 PM »

big 6.

Assume you mean the likes of kookaburra,GM,GN etc...?

If so, I didn't quite mean that big  :D.

You'd get the cheapest pricing going to the companies that cut the trees themselves you'd have thought.
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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2013, 08:24:01 PM »

Assume you mean the likes of kookaburu,GM,GN etc...?

If so, I didn't quite mean that big  :D.

Yes. Them.

I think when Patriot said supplier, I presume he means people like Wrights. These would sell them on eBay, and by the time you pay for packing, eBay and PayPal fees and someone to admin all this, any savings would probably be negligible.

The buyer would also need a press to prep the wood.

If you are wanting clefts pressed,it would be better from a small company who would give you the time of day rather than the multi-national ones. Obviously ask around, and different companies will give different deals.

I think to do this, you would be able to get a small profit, however,it would be a lot of time and effort for a batmaker when he could be making bats instead for a much bigger profit.

In short, it could work for an individual.
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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2013, 08:26:46 PM »

Assume you mean the likes of kookaburra,GM,GN etc...?

If so, I didn't quite mean that big  :D.

You'd get the cheapest pricing going to the companies that cut the trees themselves you'd have thought.

You would but it's getting on their books that can be the issue. Most have a minimum order well above anything the small Batmaker will be able to get, they also may not have availability.  There are a few supplier who will deal with the little guy. You then need to be able to press and handle. Don't forget unless your doing this yourself your paying for someone's time and someone's knowledge which costs!

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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2013, 08:31:48 PM »

You would but it's getting on their books that can be the issue. Most have a minimum order well above anything the small Batmaker will be able to get, they also may not have availability.  There are a few supplier who will deal with the little guy. You then need to be able to press and handle. Don't forget unless your doing this yourself your paying for someone's time and someone's knowledge which costs!

I'm sure you've asked around for bulk pricing at a few places John to find out the approximate prices for your small brand  :).

An example I would give is kippax. I won't announce their prices publically as I'm not sure that's what they'd want and I don't want to appear to be advertising for them, but their minimum order quantity is not that high (well, it's quite a few depending on how much you've got into batmaking and how much cash you're willing to put into it) and still gives you a fairly decent discount on what you would expect to pay from most people buying singly (the price list I have from them may be slightly out of date though, not too sure). Probably not big enough to make a large enough profit for a business to run and consider it a big money maker, but enough for someone (who had some decent funds to start with) to buy some clefts and simply sell them on at the price the majority of us currently pay.
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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2013, 08:39:59 PM »

I'm sure you've asked around for bulk pricing at a few places John to find out the approximate prices.

An example I would give is kippax. I won't announce their prices publically as I'm not sure that's what they'd want and I don't want to appear to be advertising for them, but their minimum order quantity is not that high (well, it's quite a few depending on how much you've got into batmaking and how much cash you're willing to put into it) and still gives you a fairly decent discount on what you would expect to pay from most people buying singly (the price list I have from them may be slightly out of date though, not too sure). Probably not big enough to make a large enough profit for a business to run and consider it a big money maker, but enough for someone (who had some decent funds to start with) to buy some clefts and simply sell them on at the price the majority of us currently pay.

10 a blade, pressed handled and shaped if you buy a tree (up to 3 a year or something). 10 year wait for these, I think.

That'd be as good as you'll get in small quantities.

There is still all the fees and admin and actually how many would buy blind off eBay because as soon as you start,there'll be 100s doing it withG1 willow (or maybe Kashmir).

Bit like all the blank bats on there now.
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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2013, 08:41:18 PM »

I'm sure you've asked around for bulk pricing at a few places John to find out the approximate prices.

An example I would give is kippax. I won't announce their prices publically as I'm not sure that's what they'd want but their minimum order quantity is not that high (well, it's quite a few depending on how much you've got into batmaking and how much cash you're willing to put into it) and still gives you a fairly decent discount on what you would expect to pay from most people buying singly. Probably not big enough to make a large enough profit for a business to run and consider it a big money maker, but enough for someone (who had some decent funds to start with) to buy some clefts and simply sell them on at the price the majority of us currently pay.

I'm aware of all the suppliers costs etc I was just pointing out some of the issues you may have as a smaller bat maker.  There are 3-4 avenues for raw clefts in the Uk as well as smaller brands who like myself will supply part mades. Whilst I understand the need to keep costs down etc handling clefts isn't easy or cheap to do. A decent bandsaw will set you back a fair amount as well as time and effort to get both handle and splice cutting jigs right. For someone looking to make a few bats here and there it's better to stick with the part mades and then progress. It's where I started, nothing wrong with it at all.

A smaller bat maker will be able to do this but as said before it's probably not worth it for a willow supplier to do it or the big boys.

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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2013, 08:51:23 PM »

10 a blade, pressed handled and shaped if you buy a tree (up to 3 a year or something). 10 year wait for these, I think.

That'd be as good as you'll get in small quantities.

That's their tree buying offer, they also sell in slightly larger but still relatively cheaper quantities.

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A smaller bat maker will be able to do this but as said before it's probably not worth it for a willow supplier to do it or the big boys.

That's what I've been saying about it only being worth it for the smaller bat makers the whole time though John  :D! Are we both arguing the same point here by mistake  ????
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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2013, 08:57:01 PM »

That's their tree buying offer, they also sell in slightly larger but still relatively cheaper quantities.

That's what I've been saying about it only being worth it for the smaller bat makers the whole time though John  :D! Are we both arguing the same point here by mistake  ????

Yeah, I'm not arguing against you, just putting it across from a small makers point of view that's all.

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Re: Clefts online
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2013, 09:06:51 AM »

Having spent time upgrading my set-up to include a bandsaw etc and sorting out all my splicing jigs, I would have to say that it really isn't that cost effective to buy in pressed clefts just to handle and sell them on as part-mades.  It would be more cost effective if you had a press and bought the raw clefts in.  However, you would have to offset that against learning to use the damn thing and the sheer cost of it (You'd be looking at about 2k to buy a ready made press!)  Come to think of it, that isn't cost-effective either!

If you intend on just doing it as a hobby rather than running as a business, sticking to part mades is a lot easier.  I'm not saying don't progress and get a bandsaw, but sorting out all the jigs so that eveything is straight and true is a pain in the rear if you are just doing the odd one here and there for mates!
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