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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2017, 12:53:11 PM »

Giving Stokes a role could mellow him a bit maybe? Don't hear much of Warner being a k**b since he's been made vice captain of Oz

I agree. I'm not an advocate of giving him the full captaincy in time though. It's more that all-rounders don't generally make good captains. Flintoff being a case in point. The beginning of the end was his bowling himself into the ground against Sri Lanka at Lord's. Stokes has enough to worry about.

Re. Warner, Australia have had more pressing issues since he became vc, well, until Pakistan rocked up.... ;)
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2017, 01:16:49 PM »

It is a shame because i think Cook has done well to captain England this long getting the results he has considering he isn't actually that great a tactical captain, he is just a great leader.

Time will tell how it effects Roots batting - what i will say is that if he is captain it might make him decide to move back to 4 so he can have a rest after being in the field etc... which i think is a better place for him.

I don't think Stokes will ever be given the top job as you would take away what is great about him, you simply can't have your captain right on the edge of being fined all the time etc... but that is what is so great about Stokes. 

An interesting one i think is Butler - he will undoubtedly soon be the ODI captain when Morgan realises its time to go and if Butler can hold down a Test place you will have the opportunity to have a Captain of both sides.
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2017, 01:32:12 PM »

Having a captain who get firery isn't always a good thing, accidental comments in and off the field could cause problems within the team. Maybe stokes as vice to get everyone geered up would be my option.

A good captain isn't always the best player on the pitch so I could see the option of another player being captain, but don't have a clue who, the team gets chopped and changed frequently.
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2017, 02:19:04 PM »

^ These days, a Mike Brearley would be fine for a club setup but international cricket is a pro sport now. You need 11 players not 10.
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2017, 03:24:26 PM »

I'm just going to reiterate a couple of opinions of mine that I've shared in past threads.

A: England need Cook to continue playing at the top of the order for as long as possible, he is nigh on invaluable to the team as a batsman let alone as simply having the most country's capped player of all time as a voice on the field and in the dressing room. With this in mind Cook and the ECB need to decide what keeps him playing at the top level the longest, does he need the top job to feed his ego a little bit and keep him hungry or does it weigh him down and will it ultimately shorten his career. Only Cook will know this and whether he feels he will be able to play by the new skippers rules after being in charge for so long. That is the crux of the matter in my opinion, what keeps Cook in the team for as long as possible (barring a horrendous drop in form obviously)?

B: As much as I'm not 100% sold on Root being the new captain, as others have said I don't think there are many other obvious outstanding candidates. The only other guaranteed starters are Stokes, Bairstow, Broad, Jimmy and maybe Mo and Woakes, no one else has a nailed down spot. Stokes and YJB would have too high a workload if the captaincy was added (I am of the opinion like others that Stokes will make an excellent VC though), Jimmy is at the wrong end of his career leaving basically Stuart Broad as the only other candidate I would think worth considering although, apart from T20, he doesn't really have much captaincy experience.

Ramble, ramble, ramble. Hope that was reasonably coherent :)
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2017, 03:43:01 PM »

Broad is clueless, talks (No Swearing Please), doesn't have a cricket brain and is a (No Swearing Please)... apart from that ( Im a Notts fan !)
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2017, 03:45:37 PM »

Broad is clueless, talks (No Swearing Please), doesn't have a cricket brain and is a (No Swearing Please)... apart from that ( Im a Notts fan !)

Just to clear things up, I don't necessarily think Broad would make a good captain, I was just pointing out that, apart from Root, he may be the only viable alternative.
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2017, 03:49:18 PM »

it really could give Cook a new lease of life and new part of his career, even (as has been debated on here long and hard) the opportunity to drop down to 3 and watch the 2 new youngsters learn and grow into the new England opening pair, as Root captains from number 4.  :D :( :o ;)

Plus he will probably get more chance to whack it everywhere for Essex, which will bolster their chances of staying in Div 1.

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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2017, 04:21:12 PM »

Broad is clueless, talks (No Swearing Please), doesn't have a cricket brain and is a (No Swearing Please)... apart from that ( Im a Notts fan !)

this is a quality post  :)

teriffic bowler, absolutely superb, does not seem to have a clue what's going on in the game
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2017, 04:24:45 PM »

this is a quality post  :)

teriffic bowler, absolutely superb, does not seem to have a clue what's going on in the game

But was the first to spot KP's weakness against left arm spin...
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2017, 04:27:18 PM »

But was the first to spot KP's weakness against left arm spin...

yeah I think he tweeted it on the KPGENUIS twitter

oh come on, Broadyyyyy knew all about that. It was his housemate that was behind it.

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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2017, 04:49:17 PM »

The KPGENIUS thing may be the brightest thing he's done. Certainly more entertaining than most of his reviews!!!
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2017, 05:22:08 PM »

Do KP and Broad even talk to each other if they meet at an event?

How the treated KP was just wrong; he was and is an amazing talent! It is a shame how his Test career ended.
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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2017, 05:37:40 PM »

Do KP and Broad even talk to each other if they meet at an event?

How the treated KP was just wrong; he was and is an amazing talent! It is a shame how his Test career ended.

there's fault of both sides that's for sure. The KP genius mocking KP should of been clamped down on for sure, but they didn't prob because they knew Broad must of been involved.

can't stand KP myself and glad he is out of the side. For various reasons

HOWEVER....... when the situation arose the Yorkshire guy Graves told him to go away and score runs for his County and 'everyones starts with a blank sheet' and then he hit 300(yes against a weak side-so what?)

and then the ECB changed tack and then said he could not play for 'breakdown of trust' that was for me massively, massively wrong......

The ECB made themselves look stupid, and rightly got hammered in the press.

That particular part of the KP saga was morally wrong and most England fans, KP supporters or not, thought it was the lowest point...everyone I spoke to anyway


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Re: Alistair Cook
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2017, 05:57:40 PM »

I thought the lowest part was when KP was (allegedly) talking to his mates in the SA team about how to get Strauss out and calling him names.
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