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jblowe

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Short blade length question
« on: May 23, 2017, 11:30:30 AM »

After scratching a labored 25 on Saturday our best batsman suggested I might need a heavier bat, as despite middling a few not many went all the way to the boundary.

Being old and feeble I have been using a 2.7 for the past few years.  However after Saturday I have been toying with investing in a short blade bat, say 20mm shorter.  My question regards the weight of the bat vs length of blade. Should I get a 2.7 that is 20mm shorter, or, as the length of the blade is shorter would a heavier blade be ok, and if so what weight?

I was considering purchasing a XP80 or similar then chopping the bottom 20mm off with my chop-saw. If I do what size bat should I get? Other option is to get a similar bat made to the shorter length.
 
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2017, 11:51:49 AM »

I have a few shorter blade bats. Personally I would go for a heavier shorter blade bat as the additional weight you feel from a longer handle is fairly negligible.
I would get one made rather than take a perfectly good bat and chop an inch off.
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2017, 11:54:47 AM »

Great question and post.  I am a shorter player (5ft 5 inches!) and have had bats custom made with shorter blades but at adult weights.  Using a harrow bat could help but you will be hard pressed to find those that weigh above 2.7 (maybe except some H4L models).  But in my mind a GN Pro Performance maybe a great choice as the blade is about an inch shorter but the weights start at 2.10 and go up to 2.13 odd.  The bat overall is the same length as a Harrow but the blades have a regular SH profile and weight
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2017, 12:21:26 PM »

It's all about the balance and being comfortable for me rather than being hung up on numbers. As I mentioned on another thread, a scrawny 14 yo swapped his 2lb nothing size 6 for Mr ProC's Chase at just under 2.14 (incidentally very similar dimensions to a size 6 but super sized in thickness and weight) and he was having a whale of a time at nets with no problems what so ever. Even commented how light it was.

But I don't think heavy or light, long or short blade necessarily answers the question of finding the boundary.

Edit: The Pro Performances I had a quick feel of were a shorter blade but crucially the balance was way off for me so the dimensions were irrelevant
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2017, 12:29:38 PM »

My question regards the weight of the bat vs length of blade. Should I get a 2.7 that is 20mm shorter, or, as the length of the blade is shorter would a heavier blade be ok, and if so what weight?



Here is my thread about size 6-3 bats that I have used. The bats were custom made bats.

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=39837.msg631979#msg631979

Basically, you are thinking correctly about the bat size. I am 5'6'' and SH bats are too big for me. I hold SH bats low and put a second grip to prevent my top hand from sliding above a certain point on the handle. For several seasons, I used custom made size 6-3 bats and they worked like a dream! Problem? it was very hard to get them made in heavier weights and get the balance right.

PS: the lightest bat weighs 2-8.

#size6-3
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2017, 01:34:54 PM »

The pro Performance bats are labelled as SH but in fact they 'should' be an inch shorter than a regular SH.  Basically its an inch shorter in the blade compared to a SH but has a regular SH length handle.  It works well for a shorter person like me but I agree someone taller may have a different experience with the balance.  Personally I don't think they use dried out clefts at all.  Instead because the blade is shorter and they have a relatively thin handle they can add Warner-esque edges and spine to the bat and it still comes out to be 2.10-2.13

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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2017, 02:21:32 PM »

Who said that Jason?
Bloomin big boundaries/slow wet outfield etc
I wouldn't worry

If you want to try my Affinity toro, I'll fetch it along
It's long handle shorter blade type, not sure of weight as it's probably the best bat I've ever used for both pick up and performance
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2017, 02:49:45 PM »

i got a 2.9 gm mana short blade (540) picks up heavy not as nice as your xp70.
but my h4l 2.11 shorter blade counter weight handle is well balanced.
i'll drop them round but meaty handles though.
 
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2017, 04:11:39 PM »

I can vouch for the performance of @Northern monkey's Toro, it's an absolute gun!
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2017, 05:34:47 PM »

I use a 2lb 7 ounce S/H  bat with a one inch shorter  blade
Also use a GN omega at 2lb 8 ounces the design of the bat means  it feels lighter when you picks  it up.
the main advantage of a short blade is when the batsman is short you can get a full swing of the bat without the problem of the toe hitting the ground.
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2017, 06:29:23 PM »

Thanks for the posts, does anyone know about the ratio between length and weight?  Am I right to believe that a full length 2.7 bat with a mid-middle will feel heavier than a 2.7 bat with a mid-middle which is an inch shorter? If I am right, what weight bat (which is an inch shorter) will feel the same as a 2.7 full length bat if they have the same shape?
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2017, 06:37:41 PM »

You are right theoretically. I think if you are that picky you need to go to a shop and feel quite a few to make an informed choice.
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2017, 06:41:35 PM »

Regarding shorter blade bats, people seem to either like it or hate it...better you feel it in the shop and decide ...
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2017, 07:07:51 PM »

Thanks for the posts, does anyone know about the ratio between length and weight?  Am I right to believe that a full length 2.7 bat with a mid-middle will feel heavier than a 2.7 bat with a mid-middle which is an inch shorter? If I am right, what weight bat (which is an inch shorter) will feel the same as a 2.7 full length bat if they have the same shape?

Yes  Jason  also have you thought about a mid high middle    you try CA most of there s/h have shorter blades
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Re: Short blade length question
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2017, 10:19:17 PM »

You are right theoretically. I think if you are that picky you need to go to a shop and feel quite a few to make an informed choice.

I don't mean to be picky, I just interested in the theory. I know its very random, as all bats are different, but I would like to try and understand the basis of how the idea of weight vs length works. 
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