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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2014, 08:19:07 AM »

I recently spoke to Newbery and asked about how they grade.
They told me it's mainly on performance and that a few pros have bots with 4 grains.

I know there is more to it, but the sooner we get of the fix of 'grains' and look for guns we would probably save a packet.

It might take a few high profile pro's to start that ball rolling......
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2014, 08:31:20 AM »

Would this not just be a big can of worms?

For instance, once it is well known that a G3 can be as good as a G1, wont all bats be graded on "performance" and then there will be no cheaper bats?  Suddenly the GM303s are at 300 because of "performance".

All bats would be at the same price point.

And that would also reduce the 2nd hand market as everyone presumes you ate selling a did.
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2014, 08:52:48 AM »


And that would also reduce the 2nd hand market as everyone presumes you ate selling a dud.

Isn't that assumed anyway? I mean, they are basically your own reject bats at the end of the day after all! :)
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2014, 08:59:22 AM »

Would this not just be a big can of worms?

For instance, once it is well known that a G3 can be as good as a G1, wont all bats be graded on "performance" and then there will be no cheaper bats?  Suddenly the GM303s are at 300 because of "performance".

All bats would be at the same price point.

And that would also reduce the 2nd hand market as everyone presumes you ate selling a did.

It would be the democratization of the bat world. All clefts graded on the most important factor, performance.
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2014, 09:21:07 AM »

Is there an objective way to grade on performance - whilst I don't agree with grading on looks in principle, at least you can see how they do it (eg the Wrights definitions). If I recall there was actually a thread on this a while back, can't recall if any sort of consensus was reached.
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2014, 09:32:02 AM »

Is there an objective way to grade on performance - whilst I don't agree with grading on looks in principle, at least you can see how they do it (eg the Wrights definitions). If I recall there was actually a thread on this a while back, can't recall if any sort of consensus was reached.
The simple answer was "No". It's very difficult to objectively rate performance on every bat.
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2014, 09:35:32 AM »

Thanks Tim, figured that would be the case. Its a nice idea, but very hard to put into practice, at least objectively and in a uniform manner.
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2014, 04:24:24 PM »

Can't say I have seen many bad looking Pro's bats.

I disagree, I think the want the best performing and best looking IMO.
second this. I am yet to see an ugly looking pro's bat.
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2014, 04:41:51 PM »

I have also heard about number of grains having a direct impact on how much time it takes to open up. Is this proven as well?
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2014, 04:46:39 PM »

pros use the middle of the bat so a grade 3 or grade 1 makes no difference to them. Procricket is right they will go for how it feels safe in the knowledge that they will be able to use it properly
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2014, 04:48:20 PM »

If every bat was 'graded' on performance, even ignoring the subjectivity of the word, why would anyone then buy a bat that even the seller calls inferior?
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2014, 05:59:13 PM »

If every bat was 'graded' on performance, even ignoring the subjectivity of the word, why would anyone then buy a bat that even the seller calls inferior?
Quite. The result will be: Everyone who makes bats has to take enough care to make sure all are good or they simply go in the bin.

Batmakers start to differentiate between all their good bats by selling on cosmetic appearance.... The worse they look, the less they cost!

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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2014, 06:18:59 PM »


Would it be a good investment seeing as there seems to be a shortage of players willow today?
"Hey Kohli or Amla here's $2,000,000 to use these bats that still perform as well but don't look as good". Yes? No?
what's the point! It will only make price of grade 2,3 go up and gullible punters footing the bill as always.
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2014, 04:50:47 PM »

70% its the batsman and only 30% is the bat.  But a good bat does give you more confidence
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Re: Worlds best batsman claim grade 2 and 3 are the best?
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2014, 05:34:17 PM »

70% its the batsman and only 30% is the bat.  But a good bat does give you more confidence

surely 99.99% is the batsman... the rest is luck?
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