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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1890 on: December 07, 2017, 09:48:27 AM »

As Northernboy said, if Wood is in the team then he needs to be utilised as the 4th seamer who bowls three, maybe four, short spells as fast as he can otherwise there's no point as he'll either fall apart or have to cut down his pace.

It's going to be tough to do that unless Moeen can get fit and Root feels confident in letting him bowl longer spells from one end so we should keep an eye on his performance in the upcoming warm-up game.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1891 on: December 07, 2017, 10:40:19 AM »

Let's face it, they will never drop Ali
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1892 on: December 07, 2017, 10:45:58 AM »

Let's face it, they will never drop Ali

Nor should they.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1893 on: December 07, 2017, 11:29:14 AM »

You don't give someone a test cap just because they bowl leg-spin.

Why select someone in the squad if they are not good enough? To carry drinks? Surely they saw something in Crane to pick him in the squad. England need someone who can either keep things tight at one end or take wickets. Ali is doing neither of the two. He has been good with the bat, but for me his main role is of a spinner. If he cant do that right, England need to try other options.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1894 on: December 07, 2017, 11:52:52 AM »

Why select someone in the squad if they are not good enough? To carry drinks? Surely they saw something in Crane to pick him in the squad.

Actually yeah, players are taken on tour to carry drinks fairly often. It gives management a chance to have a look at them with their own eyes and form an opinion on how well they fit into the dressing room, do they have the correct work ethic and it gives the young player experience of what it's like to be around test players and maybe pick up a few tips and tricks.

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England need someone who can either keep things tight at one end or take wickets. Ali is doing neither of the two. He has been good with the bat, but for me his main role is of a spinner. If he cant do that right, England need to try other options.

iirc only Anderson has taken more test wickets for England in 2017 than Moeen. You don't drop him for a kid with a first-class bowling average of 44.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1895 on: December 07, 2017, 12:00:46 PM »

All this talk about spinners has me missing @Felix Tito  :D :D
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1896 on: December 07, 2017, 12:08:35 PM »

All this talk about spinners has me missing @Felix Tito  :D :D

I'd forgot all about him :D

#bringbackGerry
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1897 on: December 07, 2017, 12:22:04 PM »

A finger spinner can only be effective in Aus conditions if he can impart of a lot of top spin on the ball to take advantage of the bounce or if they can keep it really tight and force the batsmen to make a mistake. With all due respect to Moeen's performance in 2017, he isnt someone who will pick up a lot of wickets for you in Aus....and England need all the help they can get in the bowling department. Would be interesting if Leach comes away with the best bowling performance among the three spinners in the warm up game.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1898 on: December 07, 2017, 12:31:45 PM »

A finger spinner can only be effective in Aus conditions if he can impart of a lot of top spin on the ball to take advantage of the bounce or if they can keep it really tight and force the batsmen to make a mistake. With all due respect to Moeen's performance in 2017, he isnt someone who will pick up a lot of wickets for you in Aus....and England need all the help they can get in the bowling department. Would be interesting if Leach comes away with the best bowling performance among the three spinners in the warm up game.

Yep this warm-up game will be interesting...

Bayliss says that the team will be unchanged etc.... but what happens if someone really puts a performance in a sticks their hand up..... eg. Livingstone or Ballance gets 150 or Wood or Leach get 6 for etc....

By not picking anyone you give them a rest but you also open yourself up to selection issues... all be it good ones i suppose.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1899 on: December 07, 2017, 01:16:35 PM »

Let's face it, they will never drop Ali

Maybe not but you cant keep picking any player if he's not doing his job. Well not if you really want to win.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1900 on: December 07, 2017, 03:36:39 PM »

The Eng bowling wont be better than Aus bowling this series...

Eng are probably better off strengthening their batting line up. It would have been nice to try a different and aggressive approach. Have someone like Hales open the batting and try going after the bowling first up. The Aus quicks are quality but its worth a gamble.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1901 on: December 07, 2017, 03:54:45 PM »

The Eng bowling wont be better than Aus bowling this series...

Eng are probably better off strengthening their batting line up. It would have been nice to try a different and aggressive approach. Have someone like Hales open the batting and try going after the bowling first up. The Aus quicks are quality but its worth a gamble.

Instead of doing that you may as well open with Root.
It would get him to the crease a couple of overs quicker but at least there wouldn't be 2 in the hutch...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1902 on: December 07, 2017, 05:02:50 PM »

The two things England need to do (aside from bringing Stokes in and dropping this ridiculous suspension) are:

1. Get Bairstow up the order.  He looks our best batsman and he has been stuck with the tail three times outta four.
2. Get some variety into the bowling attack.  Four guys bowling at 80-84 is not the way to go.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1903 on: December 07, 2017, 05:41:30 PM »

The two things England need to do (aside from bringing Stokes in and dropping this ridiculous suspension) are:

1. Get Bairstow up the order.  He looks our best batsman and he has been stuck with the tail three times outta four.
2. Get some variety into the bowling attack.  Four guys bowling at 80-84 is not the way to go.

All things we knew even before the squad was selected.
The selectors and management are very culpable here.

Plunkett should have been selected, for example.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1904 on: December 07, 2017, 06:34:44 PM »

Get tymal mills in, a few short sharp spells of 90mph short stuff should do the trick
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