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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2018, 04:01:51 PM »

You're ruling out Mo because of his religion...? Not sure that religion has anything to do with match fixing, I reckon Cronje would have considered himself christian and I'm pretty sure Mohammed Amir is a muslim...

From the little I know of Mo I would be surprised also but because he seems like a thoroughly decent chap and not what big book he prefers.

That said, cronje was a bit of a shock also...

It is a fair point that there have been Muslims that have been  caught match fixing but they aren't anything like Mo from what I have heard from him speaking etc...
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2018, 06:42:17 PM »

It is a fair point that there have been Muslims that have been  caught match fixing but they aren't anything like Mo from what I have heard from him speaking etc...

Thought actions speak louder than words. Also heard salman butt and Asif use a few religious terms in their interviews to claim they were innocent. Find it unbelievable to rule someone out because theyre  religious. Did make me chuckle
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2018, 08:16:14 AM »

The video seems to implicate Moeen and Cook or Bairstow? From the videos. But they could just be random inserts of the team.
Moeen is the obvious one- I think the footage of Cook/Bairstow has to be flipped, because Bairstow didn't use that bat in the series. So it looks like Cook?
It would be shocking whoever was revealed but cant see Cook being into anything even remotely shady he's the Ned Flanders of cricket :)
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2018, 09:12:55 AM »

Interesting comments from Vaughan who has watched the documentary basically saying that if this was another country then we would be jumping up and down and demanding immediate action.

Obviously though as they are our guys they must be innocent....

I have no idea whether there is or isn't any truth in any of it but to dismiss it because we think that our players are nice blokes or have strong beliefs in an invisible man are naive to say the least.

I grew up watching Jim'll fix it every saturday night, listened to Blair tell us we needed to go to war as we were going to be massacred with WMD's and saw the main stream media, police and government cover-up the Hillsborough fiasco for 20 years (this list could go on). I generally don't believe much of what I see and try to form my own opinions based on evidence.

You would think that the English players are paid enough that they would be less likely to be enticed by cash than poorer cricketing nations - the sums being talked about weren't vast in pro-sport terms, 50k here or there. Current England players are better advised and educated that many of those who have been dragged into match fixing. Amir for example was young, poor, stupid, naive and very vulnerable - England players don't really fit this description. If I wanted to get an england player to do something dodgy I would think bribery would be an option - set up some cameras and get a few compromising videos of married players with hookers etc. Or perhaps even darker threats to family members etc. The people involved according to the documentary are some of the worlds most dangerous and violent mafia members so nothing would be off the table I guess and I doubt they take no for an answer.

Is it hard to believe that a batsman wouldn't deliberately score slowly for a brief period if time in a test match when we know that the Australian Vice Captain was willing and able to encourage a young team member to take sand paper onto the field of play to deliberately alter the condition of the match ball?

If a senior player in a top test playing nation is willing to do this is it that hard to believe that someone would potentially ask a player to bat a bit slower than normal for 10 overs?
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2018, 09:39:50 AM »

I don't know how they manage it.....im happy just to have managed to bat for 10 overs  :( :) :D
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2018, 11:50:03 AM »

Did anyone listen to Root's statement? He says: "I am told to strongly deny it"

Shouldn't you deny it anyways? why do you need to be told and even if told why say it like that? I know if this was Pakistan or India everyone here would have assumed players guilty already. Which they probably would be, most of them can't be trusted and I am still not over the IPL Spot fixing a few years ago and player's names being protected  :(
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2018, 12:07:47 PM »

Root doesnt know what to say or what to do on or off the field he is lacking in captaincy experience and much else
I wouldnt read anything into what he has said

Even with the previous match fixing shocks I would be staggered if the allegations have any substance

There is always a doubt thou isnt there?
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2018, 02:59:58 PM »

Root doesnt know what to say or what to do on or off the field he is lacking in captaincy experience and much else
I wouldnt read anything into what he has said

Even with the previous match fixing shocks I would be staggered if the allegations have any substance

There is always a doubt thou isnt there?
It's a shame now that with the money in the modern game and some of the recent actions of players that it creates that doubt rather than being able to just dismiss it as crap :/
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2018, 03:33:42 PM »

It'll be looked into properly by the ICC... who'll find that it's absolute nonsense.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2018, 03:50:36 PM »

It's a shame now that with the money in the modern game and some of the recent actions of players that it creates that doubt rather than being able to just dismiss it as crap :/

Yes absolutely agree.my gut feeling is theres no truth and no evidence other than what the match fixers say-regarding england players and Aussie players...

It has to be investigated of course, just because its english players it should not be ignored

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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2018, 03:55:11 PM »

It'll be looked into properly by the ICC... who'll find that it's absolute nonsense.

All the accusations in the documentary or just the ones that involve england players?
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2018, 04:47:50 PM »

All the accusations in the documentary or just the ones that involve england players?
The Australians also, not sure I mentioned any England players? If there was any substance the doc would have named the players and set all the evidence out properly, not witheld all the key information and claimed they'll hand it over later. Remember the News of the World spot fixing sting? They set it up, made sure they had the evidence and then named names and milked the headlines immediately. Maybe I'll eat my words when this all comes out in the wash, but it sure sounds like a load of balls.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2018, 04:54:21 PM »

The Australians also, not sure I mentioned any England players? If there was any substance the doc would have named the players and set all the evidence out properly, not witheld all the key information and claimed they'll hand it over later. Remember the News of the World spot fixing sting? They set it up, made sure they had the evidence and then named names and milked the headlines immediately. Maybe I'll eat my words when this all comes out in the wash, but it sure sounds like a load of balls.
Hope you're right, am sure it would have been splashed all over every single newspaper by now if there was evidence.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2018, 04:54:46 PM »

It cant be true - England and Australian players just dont fix
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2018, 05:23:30 PM »

The Australians also, not sure I mentioned any England players? If there was any substance the doc would have named the players and set all the evidence out properly, not witheld all the key information and claimed they'll hand it over later. Remember the News of the World spot fixing sting? They set it up, made sure they had the evidence and then named names and milked the headlines immediately. Maybe I'll eat my words when this all comes out in the wash, but it sure sounds like a load of balls.

Yes, it's totally inconceivable that the Australian test team could be involved in a clandestine organised cheating operation.....
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