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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2021, 08:53:09 PM »

It is interesting to know what wicket keepers think on here think about all this.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2021, 09:14:36 PM »

If you've nicked it and everyone in the field is appealing, and you're still looking for umpire's decision? Don't think that's right attitude.

When point goes up for a LBW and your given on the 3 strike rule either.

Does that mean every time a bowler goes up and doesn't get the decision he is cheating ???

As a keeper I don't go up for rubbish at all as I don't like the thought of cheating somebody out but nicks are nicks and the umpire has a job.

My job is to score runs and catch the ball in games not make decisions on who in or owt he the one being "paid" to make decisions not me..

As Jumbo puts it I have had enough bad decisions so bugger it make a decision or I'm not out..
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2021, 10:00:34 PM »

If you've nicked it and everyone in the field is appealing, and you're still looking for umpire's decision? Don't think that's right attitude.

"Everyone is appealing" is not a good judge of whether you're out in club cricket. See it all the time, hits the pads about a foot outside leg stump and the entire oppo team is screaming for it.

As has been pointed out, you're entitled to wait for the umpire to make a decision. The important part is that you accept the decision whether it's in your favour or not.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2021, 10:25:30 PM »

It is interesting to know what wicket keepers think on here think about all this.

Nothing is more annoying as a keeper when you are robbed of a dismissal let me tell you that. Iv played at all levels as a keeper from Prem leagues down and let me tell you I reckon its about 5-10% that walk if that and its practically zero in players under 30 from my experience.

The bad this about this incident thats being talked about is in the professional game this should have been picked up by match liaison officer, umpire etc, also the keeper should have called him back and spoke up in huddle
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2021, 10:49:45 PM »

Nothing is more annoying as a keeper when you are robbed of a dismissal let me tell you that. Iv played at all levels as a keeper from Prem leagues down and let me tell you I reckon its about 5-10% that walk if that and its practically zero in players under 30 from my experience.

The bad this about this incident thats being talked about is in the professional game this should have been picked up by match liaison officer, umpire etc, also the keeper should have called him back and spoke up in huddle

Agree with this although Id like to think it is a higher %. Its always uncomfortable when you know the batsman was out and he knows damn well that you know too.

The one that makes my blood boil is when a clear stumping is not given. Usually when the foot is taken back after the bails are broken. Im a couple of feet away and can see the foot out of the crease when I make the stumping, foot gets moved back an instant later.... umpire who is 40 feet away, Not Out! Really gets me every time.
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2021, 06:25:59 AM »

Nothing is more annoying as a keeper when you are robbed of a dismissal let me tell you that. Iv played at all levels as a keeper from Prem leagues down and let me tell you I reckon it’s about 5-10% that walk if that and it’s practically zero in players under 30 from my experience.

The bad this about this incident that’s being talked about is in the professional game this should have been picked up by match liaison officer, umpire etc, also the keeper should have called him back and spoke up in huddle
I'm sure your figures are correct.
Then this question rises, at club level, where at least one umpire is standing who is paid by your club?
Let alone your own team mates!
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2021, 07:19:54 AM »

It's all an un-winnable argument on both sides. The game is split. IF you have technology and decent umpires (rare) then you can trust that things even themselves out etc etc... If, like most you have old farts, failing eyes and ears (paid league umpires or club ones) who like to be in the game..


then you have batsmen who are trying to steal a few extra runs by not walking

you have bowlers trying to steal a wicket by appealing anytime they can even though they know full well it isn't out

you have wk, slips, point, fine leg all appealing like it's stone dead when it's 90-10


there is no answer. accepting bad decisions is all good if EVERYONE plays in the same way, same spirit of win at all costs. It's amateur cricket, so that's just not going to happen as the majority pay to play, give up a massive amount of time in a week so won't accept it week in week out anymore..

Hence it putting people off the game.. The game can't afford to keep losing players on something that could be fixed by simply making it laws (and get umpires to apply them of course!!) to not over appeal (by that , any time it hits  a pad go up.. no team appeals (lets face it.... only the bowler and wk have any idea, the rest should keep the gobs shut), batsmen walk or if given out.. lose 5 runs maybe (not really practical but would make standing there risky)

or

just leave it as it is and the game will keep losing people as only a small handful of the great many who play Saturday/sunday's are willing to keep giving up time as the participation figures show (many other reasons for not playing, time, energy, money, travel, mrs's/Mr's, social lives, changing lifestyles)


I know I am struggling again this year to get any excitement for playing cricket. I'm just not sure I can face dire WEPL umpires firing left right and centre, teams abusing verbally from ball one week in week out, appeals every time it hits a pad even though you know it's a stupid call (and yet, always have a fear the dire umpire will go 'you got'.. that's before I add in the time, effort and money cost of rocking up on a Saturday

Netting though.. love it.. can't play the game enough and love improving .. so it's not cricket that's the problem.. it's either me (not the only one losing the will to play though if you just take participation figures as a guide) or it's the way we play the game that's putting people off.

Not sure how or IF you can fix it.. 

the 100 isn't he answer though :) :) :)
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2021, 07:29:21 AM »

It's all an un-winnable argument on both sides. The game is split. IF you have technology and decent umpires (rare) then you can trust that things even themselves out etc etc... If, like most you have old farts, failing eyes and ears (paid league umpires or club ones) who like to be in the game..


then you have batsmen who are trying to steal a few extra runs by not walking

you have bowlers trying to steal a wicket by appealing anytime they can even though they know full well it isn't out

you have wk, slips, point, fine leg all appealing like it's stone dead when it's 90-10


there is no answer. accepting bad decisions is all good if EVERYONE plays in the same way, same spirit of win at all costs. It's amateur cricket, so that's just not going to happen as the majority pay to play, give up a massive amount of time in a week so won't accept it week in week out anymore..

Hence it putting people off the game.. The game can't afford to keep losing players on something that could be fixed by simply making it laws (and get umpires to apply them of course!!) to not over appeal (by that , any time it hits  a pad go up.. no team appeals (lets face it.... only the bowler and wk have any idea, the rest should keep the gobs shut), batsmen walk or if given out.. lose 5 runs maybe (not really practical but would make standing there risky)

or

just leave it as it is and the game will keep losing people as only a small handful of the great many who play Saturday/sunday's are willing to keep giving up time as the participation figures show (many other reasons for not playing, time, energy, money, travel, mrs's/Mr's, social lives, changing lifestyles)


I know I am struggling again this year to get any excitement for playing cricket. I'm just not sure I can face dire WEPL umpires firing left right and centre, teams abusing verbally from ball one week in week out, appeals every time it hits a pad even though you know it's a stupid call (and yet, always have a fear the dire umpire will go 'you got'.. that's before I add in the time, effort and money cost of rocking up on a Saturday

Netting though.. love it.. can't play the game enough and love improving .. so it's not cricket that's the problem.. it's either me (not the only one losing the will to play though if you just take participation figures as a guide) or it's the way we play the game that's putting people off.

Not sure how or IF you can fix it.. 

the 100 isn't he answer though :) :) :)
Well said!
Problems arrive when standing umpire are not impartial, and you can see that straight away!
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Re: Lewis Mcmanus incident
« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2021, 08:34:27 AM »

Well said!
Problems arrive when standing umpire are not impartial, and you can see that straight away!

Neutral umpires are not the panacea either. 'League' umpires are generally terrible.. Club umpires are generally cheats and player umpires are generally... well, you at least know you're not getting anything I suppose
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