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Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« on: March 07, 2018, 08:16:06 PM »

Just pondering in the gym whether the talent is there? Do we have too many kolpaks? If we had a similar number of 1st class teams to other countries could we fill them with good English players. I'll be generous, 1 overseas per team.

Would be very interesting to see who would be in and out. Feel free to split the country how you like and make suggestions.
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2018, 08:44:49 PM »

At full strength with internationals back - yes easily! I just dashed out 6 pretty strong teams as follows. The odd romantic pick maybe, but enough players for a competitive competition even if you mixed them up regionally etc.. It's the other 12 XIs you have to pick for an 18 county tournament that are the problem!

All sides are 5 batsmen, all rounder, keeper and 4 bowlers.

Cook
Stoneman
Vince
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

Hameed
Jennings
Livingstone
Northeast
Ballance
Coughlin
Foakes
Curran T
Wood
Ball
Leach

Gubbins
Robson
Hain
Clarke
Roy
Curran S
Buttler
Roland-Jones
Overton
Rashid
Finn

Burns
Duckett
Borthwick
Hales
Lawrence
Dawson
Davies
Archer
Gleeson
Bess
Porter

Lyth
Browne
Westley
Trott
Bell
Bresnan
Billings
Brooks
Rayner
Stone
Footitt

Trescothick
Lees
Compton
Wessels
Hildreth
Collingwood
Patel
Jordan
Parkinson
Onions
Helm
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2018, 08:51:28 PM »

Fair play, can you add anymore teams without reducing the quality?

Should we consider semi retired players (Trescothick,colly legends but even so) , just those eligible currently.
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2018, 08:55:04 PM »

The problem of course is that 40% or so of those players aren't available due to international commitments, white ball contracts etc - a fair few more are at the wrong end of their careers, and you've got to come up with another 132 players from somewhere to make up the other 12 sides!

That is where your Kolkpaks and overseas come in, you have to have them to make up the numbers and have even a remotely first class standard being played.
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2018, 08:57:07 PM »

So if the semi retired players are removed replace them with bell Drummond and Alex wakley
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2018, 08:58:32 PM »

The women's team is handy
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2018, 09:39:36 PM »

How many strong Xis could you make from non English qualified players wholl be about this summer. Even if you limit it to only those playing CC.
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2018, 09:46:37 PM »

Fair play, can you add anymore teams with reducing the quality?

Bowling yes - Plunkett, Coad, Gleeson, Fisher, Mahmood, Harris, Barker, Patterson, Fuller, Willey, Garton, Whittingham, Robinson, Gurney, Meaker, Weighell.

Batting, less so - TKC, DBD, Hildreth. ...you get the picture.

Don't start on the spinners and keepers
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2018, 09:50:07 PM »

How many strong Xis could you make from non English qualified players wholl be about this summer. Even if you limit it to only those playing CC.

Not including official overseas...

Roussow, Kuhn, Smit, Chanderpaul, Abbott, Viljoen, Harmer, Vilas, Murtagh, Stirling, Ten Doeschate, Noema-Barnett, Archer, van Zyl, Wessells
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2018, 10:08:45 PM »

So only 2 Worcestershire players mentioned. Hard to believe for a team promoted to Div 1 last year. Mitchell - underrated opener, Cox - very good keeper/batsman, Barnard & Tongue - both good bowlers and handy batsman. If they played for Surrey they would be being mentioned as future England players.
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2018, 10:15:31 PM »

Tongue has been so mentioned. Barnard I don't have much experience of.

Mitchell though has been found out in D1 before now.
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Re: Do we have 6 decent teams of English players?
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2018, 06:59:11 AM »

So only 2 Worcestershire players mentioned. Hard to believe for a team promoted to Div 1 last year. Mitchell - underrated opener, Cox - very good keeper/batsman, Barnard & Tongue - both good bowlers and handy batsman. If they played for Surrey they would be being mentioned as future England players.

What about your main man Leach
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