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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2018, 08:20:58 PM »

My theory with Wood is he gives us something different. Our attack was so one paced in Oz it was frightening. I appreciate the injury concerns but with Stokes back he can bowl short sharp spells when needed and not be over used. Before his injury issues he looked great, so hoping he could get back to that.
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2018, 08:30:31 PM »

My theory with Wood is he gives us something different. Our attack was so one paced in Oz it was frightening. I appreciate the injury concerns but with Stokes back he can bowl short sharp spells when needed and not be over used. Before his injury issues he looked great, so hoping he could get back to that.

Wood hasnt bowled quick on any of the games hes played so far.. what exactly is someone barely quicker than what we have, far less accurate and injury prone going to do ?
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2018, 08:35:22 PM »

Take your point but as I said I'm hoping he can get back to where he was pre-injury and I'd be willing to give him a chance to do it that was all. Just my opinion, but then I'm all for a wildcard. Which shows with me sticking with Vince at 5!  :D
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2018, 08:54:00 PM »

There's a hell of a lot us us hoping Wood might make a difference to our attack but there's hope and just the reality.

The injuries he has had to the ankle just make him injury prone, reminds me very much of Simon Jones...look at the strain in his action as opposed to a Woakes or Anderson.

He has,at times, bowled quick, I just hope he can make it thru to the WC next year myself.

As for variety in the bowling attack, we seem to be lacking in left armers, maybe that is what e need.

Willey...won't get picked, Reece topley I think is long term injured, there is this Carter guy at Sussex.

Who else? I can't think of anyone off the top of my head. the other Curran brother possibly?
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2018, 03:46:05 AM »

So, this has started well... 6 wickets down in the first session and 7 goes as I type! Livingstone leading the way at least, could he play himself into contention early in the tour?

On a side note, good to see NZ putting up a strong side for a tour game. Shame it's one of these farce bat for a day each affairs England seem to like these days.
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2018, 06:55:30 AM »



On a side note, good to see NZ putting up a strong side for a tour game. Shame it's one of these farce bat for a day each affairs England seem to like these days.

Was thinking the exact same thing. Cant remember the last time a host put out a strong warm up side
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2018, 07:00:41 AM »

Vince 35 no batting at 9 ( I think!) and yes Livingstone done himself some good. with Stokes back thou he only gets in if Vince is dropped you would think....

He has a chance to impress thou.If Malan did bat 3 it might be easier for a new player to slot in at 5.
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2018, 07:18:37 AM »

Now 281 for 13.
Are we trialling a new way to win the Ashes!
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2018, 07:22:09 AM »

Hmmm I fear we might struggle on this tour! Apart from Anderson who is still class,our attack is toothless! Ali is a good all round cricketer but we need a decent spinner!
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2018, 07:40:00 AM »

I think there is a very good argument that Ali will be dropped for this series.  If Stokes is unfit to bowl, we are left with either the idea of leaving out a batsman and batting Ali and Woakes at seven and eight, or of leaving Ali out and playing a four seamer attack.  I think the nature of pitches means we may well do the latter.
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2018, 08:55:30 AM »

And so it continues...

"A second England wicket falls, as @vincey14 plays a glorious stroke through the covers before being caught behind for 14."

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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2018, 08:56:23 AM »

I was thinking that dropping Moeen is a terrible plan, but then you have Root and Malan who can do some bowling so it isn't the worst idea. Plus if Livingstone plays he can bowl too. Although it is a difficult question as to who you go with Ali vs Livingstone if it is for the same spot. Eng would pick Moeen.

Our challenge remains we don't have enough 85+ bowlers.

And Vince shouldn't be in the squad
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2018, 09:04:53 AM »

Woakes is the next James Anderson and will take the new ball once Jimmy retires for at least the next 5 years. If hes fit, hell be playing

If that happens its an indictment of how limited England are in the seamers department.
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2018, 09:08:24 AM »

If that happens its an indictment of how limited England are in the seamers department.

Here we go.......
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2018, 09:52:04 AM »

I was thinking that dropping Moeen is a terrible plan, but then you have Root and Malan who can do some bowling so it isn't the worst idea. Plus if Livingstone plays he can bowl too. Although it is a difficult question as to who you go with Ali vs Livingstone if it is for the same spot. Eng would pick Moeen.

There won't be too much of an issue about pace in this series - pitches in NZ tend to favour bowlers who hit the seam consistently at around 80mph just fine, and we are okay in that department.

But if we don't have Stokes, we cannot rely on Ali as one of a four man attack, so we either drop a batsman to play five or drop Ali.  Based on his performance in the Ashes, I have no issue with him being dropped - indeed, I think its probably worth looking at other options, even if he will probabaly return to the side for the start of the UK summer.

So, that leaves either:

Cook, Stoneman, Vince, Root, Malan, Stokes, Bairstow, Woakes, Overton, Broad, Anderson

Or, a better balanced side:

Cook, Stoneman, Malan, Root, Stokes, Bairstow, Livingstone, Woakes, Overton, Broad, Anderson
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