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Kulli

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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2018, 12:04:34 PM »

He was a disaster of a head coach but Moores pretty much picked/spotted every player that's been picked and been any sort of a success in recent memory didn't he, surely that's enough of a case for him to be involved in selection somewhere.
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2018, 12:14:49 PM »

Dont be ridiculous @Kulli  You are speaking too much sense
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2018, 12:36:25 PM »

After oz sinking to its current depths and england unable to win all winter I believe it is time for Australia to reverse its federation status and properly rejoin the motherland in the best interests of anglo-antipodean cricket .
If you guys knock this back , then my next step is to propose Australia invite new zealands north and south islands to become 2 new states of Australia  ( there's actually a provision for this in our Constitution ) ....long live New Strayaland !!!!!  :D :D
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2018, 12:45:37 PM »

Can we just adopt NZ players like England do with SA?
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2018, 01:14:54 PM »

Can we just adopt NZ players like England do with SA?

Looking at the NZ team for the last test I was surprised how many of their players aren't from new Zealand.
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2018, 01:54:19 PM »

Can we just adopt NZ players like England do with SA?



We could do this underhandedly - we rope in nz into the Sheffield shield via $$$$ . Then get nz players into oz based teams . Finally we make the comp go for 6/8 months ...however  long a person needs to stay in the country every year to qualify to play as a naturalized player, then sign them up to a big $ central contract .
Mwahaha .
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2018, 02:07:19 PM »

Plenty to play for at the start of the championship season, maybe even some actual places in the team up for grabs with new selectors!

We need a top 3, anybody's guess what that could look like come this time next year. Probably too much to hope for but if there is early change then hopefully someone in form gets picked and backed.

Bowling, we need a third seamer. Doesn't matter how quick they are or what hand they bowl with, but does matter that they need to be good with the old ball and when it's not moving. Swing bowlers coming out of our ears but what we really miss is a guy you can turn to to make something happen on a flat one after 60-70 overs. Shouldn't be too hard to find :D
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2018, 02:13:48 PM »

My captain? Bairstow, he speaks so well about the game in detail, comes across as a great thinker of the game, but is keeping, batting and being a skipper too much, probably and I wouldn't take the gloves off him thats for sure

@mattdawson I agree with this.

Listening to a few of his post match interviews he comes across very well.  I also feel that a lot of the other members of the squad look up to him and have a lot of respect for him.
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2018, 03:15:31 PM »

The new selector should be allowed a blank sheet of paper. I also think Bayliss should be stepped down and Farbrace should be the test coach.

After that Strauss, the coach and the new selector need to agree who the right guy is to captain the side and then build up from there.

I am against throwing names of players around as there are many ways to skin that cat, but as far as I am concerned all the players, including Root should be told to go away and win your place back.


Well see link below no sure about being told to win your place back but everyone who is not playing IPL is going back to county cricket to play at least 3 matches (out of the 5 before the 1st summer test) apart from Root and Bairstow (who are playing 2)

http://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/domestic_county_championship/england_players_made_available_for_county_championship_matches.html
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2018, 04:17:06 PM »

What is a genuine no 3? Isn't it just another opener ready to go in an shore things up if you lose an early wicket? I think the top 5 should really be fairly interchangeable. People get a bit caught up in the fact that 'I've always batted no. 2' mentality. At the end of the day if your a good player you should be able to bat effectively anywhere in the top order.

And yet youre wrong. Opening and 3 in draw Cricket (tests) are specialist positions. Openers are able to deal with the moving ball, leave well, select the right shots consistently and able to bat for long periods consistently. A three is someone who can do this and push on a bit (aka, generally better than your openers as they can do that just as well AND play a more expansive game.

Root sadly as much as people here dont like to admit it, is very very poor vs the moving ball (hes consistently found out by it).yet, when the ball is older and youre looking for busy players to tick over at 4+ with little risk.. hes your man.. making him actually a dam good 4/5

We can keep pretending Bairstow (another good 5/6) and root will solve the top order issues or we can be honest and admit that our systems and formats are simply not producing the types of players required.

Hameed was literally the only opener since cook to surface and the coaches ruined him with their demand for more shots and attacking play.. now he keeps getting out. Australia have done the same to renshaw.. he scores runs in shield because its crap but against decent bowling.. will get found out.

Thats your issue. Our game isnt very good so players like hales, Roy, Lyth and others can bat top 3 and will score. Yet, if you put them vs good bowlers not on a road theyll be toast. They will also lack consistency and the ability to adapt to different pitches and situations as they generally play one way (shock horror, like England generally do now).

Personally I think its gone too far to fix and so test cricket will simply adapt to being a slightly longer ODI (4 days, regularly over in 3 if its not a road). Simply because, our system (dont care about other nations) wont produce the technical and mental abilities required.

If youre a regular 15 yr old, show me where you will learn to bat long consistency at about 45-55 SR ? (Say 100-250 balls) . Show me where a player or tail will learn the skills needed to survive for 3 sessions ...
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2018, 04:21:32 PM »

i personally wouldn't drop everyone but would reduce to skeleton selections:

at the minute my confirmed picks would be:
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4) Root
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7) Bairstow
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9)Leach
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11) Anderson

Leach is only a sure for me as hes had one game did ok and looks the bets spinner we have tried, would be totally unfair to drop him now

then Malan, stokes, woakes  are close to being selected barring a rubbish start to the season so that covers 5/6/8

id like to see a young quick picked to bat at 10, then its anyone from

livingstone, westley, vince, cook, stoneman, hammeed, gubbins, northeast, hain, jennings, Alex Davies to force their way into the 11
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2018, 05:15:41 PM »

The best news is that Pakistan is coming in only a few weeks. So our new look team will be up against another high quality seam attack.
We could well loose again.
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2018, 05:44:26 PM »

The best news is that Pakistan is coming in only a few weeks. So our new look team will be up against another high quality seam attack.
We could well loose again.
Aside from Azhar Ali, Pakistan's batting is more brittle than ours
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2018, 06:06:50 PM »

The best news is that Pakistan is coming in only a few weeks. So our new look team will be up against another high quality seam attack.
We could well loose again.

I see us winning against Pakistan as they're coming early and they'll struggle with the seaming and swinging ball.
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Re: Whither England Now?
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2018, 06:35:22 PM »

1.Stoneman
2.Cook/Hameed.
3.Malan
4.Root.
5.Bairstow
6.Stokes
7.Foakes
8.S Curran
9.Leach/Bess
10.Broad/Another quick
11.Anderson

S Curran needs a bit more this season but i think there a geniune all-rounder in there.
The geniune quick I'm not sure who.
Bairstow for me needs to grow as a out and out batsman. Yes i know he only averages 29 as a batter only.
I also like Sam Hain and Livingstone.


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