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Title: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: langer17 on July 19, 2011, 04:30:53 AM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/523745.html

Seems interesting, but I don't think they should do it.
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: stevie_94_ on July 19, 2011, 11:04:44 AM
Why not? Surely if its a final its better to have a result rather than someone win based on who scored more in the first innings or something
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: mdl_1979 on July 19, 2011, 11:08:04 AM
A timeless test for the World Championship Final is a great idea, if they aren't going to make the final a series. At least we would get a winner.
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: rp27 on July 19, 2011, 11:09:54 AM
Why not? Surely if its a final its better to have a result rather than someone win based on who scored more in the first innings or something
Because he knows if it's timeless the aussies arent going to win it! ;)
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: tim2000s on July 19, 2011, 11:10:41 AM
I think it's a great idea, but, and here's the big but, the ICC will be extremely worried that after four days the audiences will tail off and the cost of running the match will outweigh the value of having a test champion in marketing terms. Especially if India aren't in it.
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: langer17 on July 19, 2011, 11:18:30 AM
Why not? Surely if its a final its better to have a result rather than someone win based on who scored more in the first innings or something

I just think that with the 5 day test, teams know that they have 5 days to win, lose or draw so it adds some urgency to the games, especially on days 4 and 5. Without a 'time' limit, the game will just go through the motions untill someone wins, with no real excitement as you know that someone has to win, whereas with a game that has a time limit you don't know if it will be a win, loss or draw.
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: Lekka Global Alliance on July 19, 2011, 11:56:34 AM
Make it a 900 over game.
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: Kulli on July 19, 2011, 12:11:49 PM
Wasn't that world XI vs Oz game a few years ago 6 days?
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: Apple on July 19, 2011, 02:49:46 PM
I dont think you can have that, because the whole game changes if you don't have to win within 5 days, if you make the final timeless then you have to make every game timeless.
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: tommo256 on July 19, 2011, 02:57:51 PM
There will be batsmen im sure we English to count on to be there, Jonathon trott, would be good to have Boycott back to block out in a timeless test
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: Lekka Global Alliance on July 19, 2011, 03:13:51 PM
I may need to double check but have the ICC just suggested a "timeless test match" only 2 weeks after banning runners ?
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: tim2000s on July 19, 2011, 03:18:02 PM
I may need to double check but have the ICC just suggested a "timeless test match" only 2 weeks after banning runners ?
Yup, on the basis that as you injure yourself, the duration of the game shortens...
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: jonwilson on July 19, 2011, 04:53:47 PM
I just think that with the 5 day test, teams know that they have 5 days to win, lose or draw so it adds some urgency to the games, especially on days 4 and 5. Without a 'time' limit, the game will just go through the motions untill someone wins, with no real excitement as you know that someone has to win, whereas with a game that has a time limit you don't know if it will be a win, loss or draw.

Would agree.  No sense of urgency would make the game just so unbelievably dull.  Just imagine a nice flat batting track.  Extremely likely that the side winning the toss and batting first would win.  Bat and bat and bat etc.  To quote Neville Cardus (as quoted in the Guardian);

 "In the future, reports will begin 'so-and-so won the toss but it cannot be said they made full use of the first fortnight."

 I think the idea of a timeless test is actually quite dangerous in terms of Test Cricket.  Runs the risk of it making a mockery out of the game and people would simply pull the plug. 
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: tim2000s on July 19, 2011, 04:58:21 PM
I actually like the idea of playing a 450 over match, with each side having a maximum of 225 overs to win, over two innings...

But it's not a test match if you play it like that... It's just a different form of limited overs cricket as you know you will win or lose dependent on the outcome at the end of 450 overs.
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: Apple on July 19, 2011, 05:10:47 PM
Draws can be some of the most exciting and intresting games in test cricket. If its a draw just share the title!
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: Lekka Global Alliance on July 19, 2011, 05:15:03 PM
If the truth be told the current players could not sustain a "timeless test match".
Title: Re: 'Timeless' Test
Post by: jonwilson on July 19, 2011, 05:33:32 PM
If the truth be told the current players could not sustain a "timeless test match".

Would agree.  Would be interesting to see if the attacking batsman would modify his game.  Certainly from a bowling perspective, I cant see a quick bowler being able to bowl 80 - 90 overs in an innings.