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Title: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 18, 2009, 11:39:02 PM
Thought I'd ask peoples view on pressing and what type of pressing makes the bat "ping" more!



Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Tom on March 18, 2009, 11:49:25 PM
I would say well pressed, I know this is a broad statement too soft and the bat will just dent absorbing the impact. Too hard and you're not going to have a kind of trampoline effect.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 19, 2009, 08:07:27 AM
What an answer Tom! :D

Ok to put a spanner in the work for that answer for a second to make you think a bit more...

Stiffness in a round about soft way can potentially increase the energy returned to the ball.  A soft press bat will potentially hold the ball in the impact position long enough to allow for bat to go through a vibration cycle and therefore the trampoline effect.  [think of the slow mo's of bats and the wobbly bat]
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: raymond on March 19, 2009, 05:15:17 PM
I wonder if cricket bast will be made with the precision of golf clubs. They precisely locate the sweet spot and perfect the moment of inertia for optimum 'ping'. I suppose GM's machine is a step in this direction.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 19, 2009, 05:56:23 PM
nope you are not allowed the same materials and becasue willow is organic you would have to take that into consideration. So each piece will have to looked at to get anywhere near what you are saying....

GM's machine doesn't do this, it is for mass production
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 23, 2009, 10:01:45 PM
Stiffness in a round about soft way can potentially increase the energy returned to the ball.  A soft press bat will potentially hold the ball in the impact position long enough to allow for bat to go through a vibration cycle and therefore the trampoline effect.  [think of the slow mo's of bats and the wobbly bat]

I believe my return question after reading that made absolutely no sense!!!!!

So here goes again...

Stiffness in a roundabout sort of way can potentially increase the energy returned to the ball.  less vibration of the bat therefore less energy loss [Think Netwons laws of physics about energy has to go somewhere..]

And a soft pressed bat will potentially hold the ball in the impact position long enough to allow for bat to go through a vibration cycle and therefore the trampoline effect.  [think of the slow mo's of bats and the wobbly bat]

So now what do you all reckon on the pressing side of things...


Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Johnny on March 24, 2009, 01:03:05 PM
ahh... Netwon, such a celebrated physicist!

In terms of the pressing question, does that mean there is probably a range somewhere in the middle where there isn't much different. Pressed too softly and presumably that will absorb too much energy - pressed too hard and it would feel pretty awful I'm guessing (unless you can apply some sort of shock absorbtion in the handle) - so, I agree with Tom - well pressed is the optimum type of pressing!

I'm sensing that we should do some kind of Johnny Ball type experiment, where we get 3 bats - one pressed hard, one pressed softly and one in the middle and drop a ball from a fixed distance on to the blade and measure how far it bounces.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 24, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
one pressed hard, one pressed softly and one in the middle and drop a ball from a fixed distance on to the blade and measure how far it bounces.

Ah the Coefficient of restitution.... :D

Well if you had 3 different types of willow, grains, density etc you could end up thinking it is soft press but it isn't....
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Howzat on March 24, 2009, 06:04:01 PM
I was wondering would a toe be less prone to splitting if it was pressed hard? If so should all bats not have the toe pressed extra hard to eliminate breakages?
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 24, 2009, 11:36:24 PM
One to ponder on Leo... Pressing will compress the willow as you know...

So how would you eliminate the ripple of the willow if you just pressed the toe area?
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Tom on March 24, 2009, 11:42:35 PM
One company I know add moisture to the toe during pressing to prevent cracking.

As for pressing Norb, which one do you think is the best?
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 25, 2009, 09:29:43 AM
Yep that is prevent crack from the pressing process....


As for pressing Norb, which one do you think is the best?

I won't answer the question just yet...
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Chris1976 on March 25, 2009, 07:18:27 PM
A lot of pro's use lightly pressed bats...... lots of ping but wont last very long!  As club cricketers we want a balance of power and durability so we need to find the middle-ground... that is what most bat makers strive for.
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Post by: Talisman on March 25, 2009, 09:24:09 PM
I disagree with that, if you pressed bats you would know that there is an optimum pressure for any piece of wood and the owner and his playing ability will have nothing to do with it. I think that a bat going to a "Pro" would have a touch more pressing as they will not knock it in.

Norby, over to you.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 25, 2009, 10:28:41 PM
A lot of pro's use lightly pressed bats...... lots of ping but wont last very long!  As club cricketers we want a balance of power and durability so we need to find the middle-ground... that is what most bat makers strive for.

Why would a lightly pressed bat give you lots of ping?
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 27, 2009, 09:06:05 PM
Ok here is my answer to the question....

Pressing is based on the willow.... If you have a piece of willow with lots of grains on it then you'd press the cleft lighter... Why because the grains will already add a certain amount of rigidity / stiffness and therefore it doesnt require the same pressue.  A loose [only a few] grains will require more pressure as you don't have the stiffness you need

a lightly pressed bat in any of those scenarios will not give you extra peformance you'd get a dull thud and a dent....

Ok that all said a lightly pressed bat if done properly will give you ping and if anyone can work what I'm getting at here I should really offer them a prize...

Now I'm going to talk about sound.... If you are lucky enough to have a bat that is in your opinion a pinging machine... Hit it with a mallet and listen then get another bat, if you can, that isn't quite there and hit it and listen.  note the difference in the sound, there is a difference...! If that isn't an option or you are ballsy enough go to a shop with a mallet and pick out a top of range Newbery or Salix [slightly bowed if possible] tap them with a mallet listen and pick out a bat that has gone through a product line note the difference.... The sound difference is related to vibration [energy loss] and therefore ping...

I doubt that made a huge amount of sense but was a good advert for Newbery and Salix's press :D
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: BrianLara400* on March 28, 2009, 03:40:42 AM
Well I suppose that is all logical, though I attended a demonstration a few years ago in which they tapped up bats seeking those with a nice ring (light vibration was mentioned) to their note when struck with the uhmwpe mallet for their higher gradings. Generally he's not the type of maker to seek the safe middle ground when pressing.
Are there explanations or reasons why there could be a discrepancy?
And why do the Salix & Newbery presses come in for mention?
I was going to make some rough sketches up as I had planned on building one over winter, do you beleive there are special features in certain bat press designs that set them apart? (other than the operator ;))
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Talisman on March 28, 2009, 07:52:56 AM
A Press is only as good as the operator, Newbery and GN have the same one. However GN use it in a production line without any care or adjustments, that is why their pressing will never be consistent.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 28, 2009, 08:59:52 AM
Well I suppose that is all logical, though I attended a demonstration a few years ago in which they tapped up bats seeking those with a nice ring (light vibration was mentioned) to their note when struck with the uhmwpe mallet for their higher gradings. Generally he's not the type of maker to seek the safe middle ground when pressing.
Are there explanations or reasons why there could be a discrepancy?
And why do the Salix & Newbery presses come in for mention?
I was going to make some rough sketches up as I had planned on building one over winter, do you beleive there are special features in certain bat press designs that set them apart? (other than the operator ;))

Mornin' Glen and welcome to the world of listening to Willow

Talisman has given you a good answer... Those that adjust based on the willow are getting the most from there pressing those that don't generally get a happy medium...

Salix and Newbery get a mention because I think they are the 2 best press bats on the market.

Yes pm me about press designs I've got 2 on the go both different from the norm which I doubt is surprise to you... but the operator needs a good eye and ear to know what needs to be done
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: BrianLara400* on March 28, 2009, 10:55:54 AM
I probably should have clarified a bit better, I did beleive it or not allready know about idividuality and pressing accordingly - hence why I rate GN bats about 1/10th the distance I can levitate them with my mind, and why I feel sick each time they get a plug on the lunch time cricket show. What I was getting at is he theoretically right to be be striving for that slight vibration, or is that indicating as you say an inefficiency in the transference of energy?
And as for the press designs Ive seen a few and had in mind something along the lines of a roller mounted on a cantilever arm? anyway Ill send a PM.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Tom on March 28, 2009, 01:44:06 PM
Norb do you know if all Salix bats are pressed by them?
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 28, 2009, 06:38:40 PM
Norb do you know if all Salix bats are pressed by them?

I'll say this about every bat ummm if made in the then UK yes!
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Tom on March 28, 2009, 06:46:52 PM
What would classify as made in the UK?
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 28, 2009, 07:40:45 PM
An english willow cleft that hasn't be exported from the UK
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Talisman on March 28, 2009, 07:50:13 PM
I think we all know that Salix polish far more bats than they make.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SillyShilly on March 28, 2009, 07:57:12 PM
I'm seeming to pick up the vibe that there is a certain discordance in the bat-making world......are pretty much all of the bats you pick up off the shelf made in India, if so is this a real problem if they are made using English willow (not that nurtured crap!) - i know that Bradbury used to make there bats in a little shed in deepest darkest somerset (which is now the location of an over-priced restaraunt named 'Podshavers' - a bit of irony?) and now they are made in India and i have had quite a few people comment on the decrease in quality after this switch over!
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: ianbuchanan on March 28, 2009, 10:18:09 PM
lol where abouts in somerset is podshavers mate?
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SillyShilly on March 28, 2009, 10:21:54 PM
Bishops Lydeard - just outside of taunton - went there for my 21st, left there with my trousers round my ankles.......very expensive!
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: ianbuchanan on March 28, 2009, 10:37:46 PM
lol we're playing them in a pre season friendly this year! haha my mate lives in the pub there, its called the bird in hand....
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on March 29, 2009, 08:25:04 AM
I think we all know that Salix polish far more bats than they make.

My mate of mate who is the uncles brother of a pro has one.... Well there is a guy around the corner who has been up to Salix [Saturdays I think] and had one handmae.... Very nice bat, lovely sound to it...
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Chaim on March 29, 2009, 01:08:37 PM
Lucifer......... wow what a name
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Talisman on March 29, 2009, 02:28:40 PM
Your Mum is very understanding Lucifer, driving you about when you want a new bat. I hope you appreciate her efforts and thank her, or you won't be her special little boy forever.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Jamieh on December 11, 2009, 09:18:28 AM
is it possible to build you own press? All pictures I've seen of presses use a screw type press which suggests to me the pressure applied is more about feeling than a specific pressure? having seen the one at hunts i was wondering if it was possible to build a press and what materials you would need? a very crude idea would be to use a bottle jack and some box sections attached to a roller.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Washington on December 11, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
Sounds like your a bit of a budding bat maker perhaps Jamieh . . .
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Jamieh on December 11, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
Well, I've "shaped" a few pressed and handled clefts which i really enjoy, and have been thinking about ways to build a press as I'd really like to do the whole thing (just as a hobby really, don't expect or want to be a brand as such!) from the raw cleft. Have done a few rough plans, involving the bits and bobs i mentioned, but not had a go at constructing one yet! I just wondered if pro bat makers have a way of measuring the pressure applied or if it's more of a feeling thing, my other problem is moving the bat through the press, but thats a problem for another day, ha ha
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Washington on December 11, 2009, 02:36:30 PM
Sounds interesting mate, its something ive always fancied doing but not had the space in my house . . .but im moving to a bigger house which has an outbuilding so might do it next year!!
 
By the sounds of it they seem to press by feel as each cleft will be different to the next. . . im no expert tho!!

Easy mate just attach ruuning teeth to the bat tray and have cogs either side linked with a handle, rotate and away you go!!
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Jamieh on December 11, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
Thankfully I have a bit of room... and an understanding wife, ha ha. Mind you, I'm sure she thinks i'm slightly crazy playing with my bats on the weekend!

Assumed it must just be a feel thing, and guess that makes it a much more skillful process, judging the right pressure for each cleft.

Yes, had thought about running it on a cog and chain. Had planned to dismantle the wifes bike when she wasn't around, ha ha, but not sure if I'd have the stregth to be able manually drive the cleft through at the required pressure. I'm assuming that if you put up to 2 tonnes of pressure throught the roller and onto the bat face, it would need some serious strength to pull the cleft through, but not really sure!
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Washington on December 11, 2009, 03:05:44 PM
Haha yeah always good to have one of those!! Yeah you should see the missus when im knocking in a new bat she looks at me as if im susan boyle or something!!

Yeah i guess thats what makes and breaks a bat really . . .good pressing!

haha glad to see the wife is coming in handy!! Yeah same principle but would have to be more robust. If you look at matts pictures on his hell4leather website his press is all manual but the turning wheel is big like a steering wheel on a yacht . . .so i guess there may be a succession of gogs like a gear system maybe?
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on December 11, 2009, 03:29:13 PM
Jamieh look up mangle press for those types of presses. You maybe better off with a threaded bar for the movement that way it is convertable to a motor drive
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Jamieh on December 11, 2009, 04:17:07 PM
thanks for the advice norbair, a little above my head I'm afraid, but I think I kind of get it! mechanical engineering is certainly not my forte! Think I'll have to go back to the drawing board, and see what i can come up with.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: hell4leather cricket on December 11, 2009, 04:40:32 PM
i built my own press,they are quite simple in princple,However i was lucky as my dad is an engineer as built it. But as dan said at the moment is done by hand, but now i going to convert it to electric!
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Washington on December 11, 2009, 04:46:37 PM
lazy . . . .haha
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Post by: hell4leather cricket on December 11, 2009, 04:59:57 PM
im getting old! lol
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on December 11, 2009, 05:17:17 PM
and you need about 5 arms to operate it :D
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Post by: hell4leather cricket on December 11, 2009, 05:24:13 PM
very true norb! pressing a button is so much easier!
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Washington on December 11, 2009, 05:28:14 PM
Is there a huge difference in time saving going electrical?
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Post by: Howzat on December 11, 2009, 05:54:07 PM
I would imagine its more ease of use?
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Post by: Watsontotty on December 11, 2009, 11:50:16 PM
In my humble opinion i consider pressing to be the major factor in a bats performance, obviously you can bring in other factors like quality of willow etc but it still in my opinion comes back to the pressing. Press too much and performance will deteriorate considerably and press too light and the durability will be compromised. Its a case of satisfying the bet of both worlds which is what makes this difficult for the manufacturer as we as end users have massively differing opinions on what makes a good bat.

That's where i feel the custom makers can corner the market as they can press the bat strictly to the customers wishes and not just pressed so the bat will last and not come back as a return. Obviously the custom makers need to offer advise on what can be the negative side of a lightly pressed bat and then in my opinion that meets the duty of care.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Jamieh on December 12, 2009, 08:52:06 AM
well explained watson! Exactly why I'd like to build my own press so i can take responsibility for the whole process, but probably quite a large project for someone who's just making a few bats for fun in the garage! Still not a bad little project to have! Matt, don't suppose your old man fancies working as a bat press consultant? ha ha
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: hell4leather cricket on December 12, 2009, 09:52:09 AM
I was lucky when i built mine that where dad worked had guys that could weld ,now the guy who done it doesnt work there,so it would be harder to get one built now. Tell you what i will do though  i will take some pictures and post a review of my press ? fair enough ?
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SillyShilly on December 12, 2009, 10:03:23 AM
How would you say the press was going Matt? Pressing is not something you pick up over night i'd imagine
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Washington on December 12, 2009, 10:30:38 AM
Jamieh I read somewhere on this forum that you dont necessarily need a bat press to make a bat . . .seeing as your only thinking of making a few bats might be more cost effective to press them by hand? Im sure someone said you can do it by knocking it in . . .obviously this will take a lot of time and patience!!
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Jamieh on December 12, 2009, 11:35:59 AM
that's awesome matt, would be really interested to hear/see that.

I had wondered about doing it manually, but figured it would take an absolute age and be very hard to be consistent.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on December 14, 2009, 09:54:32 AM
Is there a huge difference in time saving going electrical?

Yep especially on a single roller press as you end up having to adjust the pressure as you wind the cleft through the press.  On a motorised press it obviously frees you up to be able to do this
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Jamieh on December 14, 2009, 10:37:42 AM
Assuming it would be quite physically demanding doing manually as well, well certainly when compared to motorised.

Norbair, when you say adjusting as the cleft goes through is this just a judgement/eye thing? or would you start at a specific pressure and then build up? I'm interested in the process, would you be able to explain this more? I assumed you would start at a low pressure, put the cleft through, and then based on feeling increase the pressure and run the cleft through again, repeating until you have reached the desired feel (ping?).

Also, what would be the sort of variation in how much pressure used? I mean, is there a big difference between clefts, and what would be the minimum and maximum amount pressed (whilst still achieving a good result that is). when I visited hunts, they seemed to put all clefts through at the same pressure, which is obviously good for consistency, but bad in terms of differences in indivual clefts, and made me wonder how much difference or variation in clefts there could be?

Apologies if that is not very clear, I know what I mean, but hard to put into words, ha ha.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on December 14, 2009, 12:37:30 PM
I've already mentioned on this thread a bit about pressing and differing clefts. [page 2 I think]

My press is different from the normal presses you may associate with this... I press in a different way to everyone else, well when it turns back up from its changes I do :D One of the things I knew when I set out on the pressing route was how could I get what I wanted from pressing without having ten, twenty years of experience behind me.  So I went about designing a press that would in some way press based on my theoretical knowledge but do it in practice, I hope in the final change it will do this.[I'm a bit of geek :-\ ]  I am lucky that I do have access to bat makers with decades of experience behind them that can help out but, as is common, you sometimes find your views differ on different things but you take it all in when they are talking to you.  Then again if we all did the same thing we'd never any get variety!

There are other batmakers on this forum who I'm sure will be able to help with answers to those questions but it is an eye knowledge thing if they are pressing individually or a happy medium for a long run.

As for Hunts, I dont think it is just them, most that have a big run to do will press everything the same.   Do clefts differ dramtically well that is a yes and no answer.  

If the bat maker was physically picking up the clefts and running them through I'd like to think they could pick up a cleft and feel that this is a good one or have a quick tap on it and hold it back for special attention later.  Alas I imagine it is some other chap that does the clefts feeding and just wants to get the job done

If you have an aim for what you want from your pressing I suggest you design from the bottom up based on a pics available. Or find a local engineering works with a few old boys in there [or down the pub] and tell them what you are after. They'll work wonders on the design and it won't be over engineered

Press pressure banded about is up to 2tonnes a newsletter from James Laver [http://www.laverwood.co.nz/newsletter/16.htm]

"In the early part of the bat making process the surface of the willow cleft is compressed with a roller, applying approximately 2 & 1/2 tonnes per square inch of pressure to the surface. This reduces the size of the piece
of willow by some 5mm and provides a protective seal on the bat that is enhanced by knocking the bat in."
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Jamieh on December 14, 2009, 06:35:05 PM
Sounds interesting! Without asking for your trade secrets what would be the advantages of your way of pressing?

yes, I've done a bit of a design based on pics of others and what I'd like to achieve, which is the ability to adjust and measure the pressure applied accurately for future reference, etc. but don't have the advantage of knowing any batmakers except for those who have been kind enough on here to offer advice, so I'm sure once I have a crack at building something Ill run into problems!

Think I'm about ready to have a bash at creating something, the only component I am missing for my prototype is a roller! not really sure where to find something appropriate (size and shape) seems like most have a convex shape on the rollers to give the edges and face a bit of initial shape.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SAF Bats on December 14, 2009, 09:13:52 PM
Sounds interesting! Without asking for your trade secrets what would be the advantages of your way of pressing?

Consistency across various cleft types and ensuring I press to a certain thinkness on the blade

yes, I've done a bit of a design based on pics of others and what I'd like to achieve, which is the ability to adjust and measure the pressure applied accurately for future reference, etc. but don't have the advantage of knowing any batmakers except for those who have been kind enough on here to offer advice, so I'm sure once I have a crack at building something Ill run into problems!

Think I'm about ready to have a bash at creating something, the only component I am missing for my prototype is a roller! not really sure where to find something appropriate (size and shape) seems like most have a convex shape on the rollers to give the edges and face a bit of initial shape.

You can get a roller made up from your local engineering workshop ensure you get a good finish on it... If you have a part made you should be able to get the roller radius from the curve on the blade or guestimate for a finished bat
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: tuffers007 on November 04, 2014, 06:54:01 PM
Consistency across various cleft types and ensuring I press to a certain thinkness on the blade

You can get a roller made up from your local engineering workshop ensure you get a good finish on it... If you have a part made you should be able to get the roller radius from the curve on the blade or guestimate for a finished bat

have made 5 bats from pre pressed and handled clefts so i am of course now an expert in bats!
on a serious note i would love to press my own. are pressing machines easy to get hold off or are they more of a custom build? reason i ask is i can only find them for sale from overseas(pakistan,india). would be a great to be able to do everything including the pressing!
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on November 04, 2014, 08:58:12 PM
have made 5 bats from pre pressed and handled clefts so i am of course now an expert in bats!
on a serious note i would love to press my own. are pressing machines easy to get hold off or are they more of a custom build? reason i ask is i can only find them for sale from overseas(pakistan,india). would be a great to be able to do everything including the pressing!

I will give the advice that was given to me a quite while back. Stick to what your doing at the moment. Whilst it's fantastic that you want to do it all, get some more practice in and really learn what you are doing. Last effort looked a lovely shape but it's only your 4th. I was keen to do it all but I was conscious of not running before I could walk. I went from part mades to just pressed clefts which I handled myself and then finally once I was happy the handling was spot on I purchased the press. Probably a good 100 plus bats in between the 2 stages.

I can help source a press when youre ready. They aren't cheap and unless you know an engineer who welds and has access to everything it's going to cost you to make it in the UK. If youre pressing, you also need to think about machining the clefts down and then handling them, all of which isn't cheap.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Beachcricket on November 04, 2014, 09:03:46 PM
I will give the advice that was given to me a quite while back. Stick to what your doing at the moment. Whilst it's fantastic that you want to do it all, get some more practice in and really learn what you are doing. Last effort looked a lovely shape but it's only your 4th. I was keen to do it all but I was conscious of not running before I could walk. I went from part mades to just pressed clefts which I handled myself and then finally once I was happy the handling was spot on I purchased the press. Probably a good 100 plus bats in between the 2 stages.

I can help source a press when youre ready. They aren't cheap and unless you know an engineer who welds and has access to everything it's going to cost you to make it in the UK. If youre pressing, you also need to think about machining the clefts down and then handling them, all of which isn't cheap.

Great advice, listen to this.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: tuffers007 on November 04, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
I will give the advice that was given to me a quite while back. Stick to what your doing at the moment. Whilst it's fantastic that you want to do it all, get some more practice in and really learn what you are doing. Last effort looked a lovely shape but it's only your 4th. I was keen to do it all but I was conscious of not running before I could walk. I went from part mades to just pressed clefts which I handled myself and then finally once I was happy the handling was spot on I purchased the press. Probably a good 100 plus bats in between the 2 stages.

I can help source a press when youre ready. They aren't cheap and unless you know an engineer who welds and has access to everything it's going to cost you to make it in the UK. If youre pressing, you also need to think about machining the clefts down and then handling them, all of which isn't cheap.

cheers for the advice john. i will heed your words and concentrate on the partmades for now. i thoroughly enjoy the process of shaping. i guess im just too keen at the moment. thanks again john. i shall be in touch about the press in approx 100 bats time! 
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on November 04, 2014, 10:30:42 PM
cheers for the advice john. i will heed your words and concentrate on the partmades for now. i thoroughly enjoy the process of shaping. i guess im just too keen at the moment. thanks again john. i shall be in touch about the press in approx 100 bats time!

No worries mate. Do it when youre comfortable. Just felt that the advice I was given when in your position was probably the right for me at the time. You may be different but it's not only a decent financial commitment but also time effort and patience.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: TBONTB on November 07, 2014, 09:18:10 AM
Right this might make me sound like a bit of a lemon but here goes.

If you got an unpressed cleft, and hit it with a mallet lightly at first, getting harder as the fibres compress. Would it every get to the state of a pressed and knocked in cleft?

Also and again plonker time here, would it not reach the sort of natural pressing point? I know that presses exert tons of force onto an area, and knocking in would take weeks but would it work in principle?
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on November 07, 2014, 09:35:17 AM
Right this might make me sound like a bit of a lemon but here goes.

If you got an unpressed cleft, and hit it with a mallet lightly at first, getting harder as the fibres compress. Would it every get to the state of a pressed and knocked in cleft?

Also and again plonker time here, would it not reach the sort of natural pressing point? I know that presses exert tons of force onto an area, and knocking in would take weeks but would it work in principle?

potentially yes, it would take forever but could work. it would probably be pretty uneven tho as it would be very difficult to evenly press a bat knocking it in.
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Bambooman on November 07, 2014, 09:36:32 AM
Right this might make me sound like a bit of a lemon but here goes.

If you got an unpressed cleft, and hit it with a mallet lightly at first, getting harder as the fibres compress. Would it every get to the state of a pressed and knocked in cleft?

Also and again plonker time here, would it not reach the sort of natural pressing point? I know that presses exert tons of force onto an area, and knocking in would take weeks but would it work in principle?


Not a plonker at all. have a look at this thread
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=31617.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=31617.0)
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Northern monkey on January 24, 2020, 06:17:45 PM
Great old thread,,(yes I am a bit sad reading through this stuff,,but love all this
Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: Psi on January 24, 2020, 08:18:44 PM
Yes it's a great thread. Does anyone use this method nowadays? I'm not a materials expert, but repeatedly hitting wood with a hammer is not quite the same as pressing under a huge weight for short time is it? If it was, then we wouldn't need to knock a bat in after pressing.

Title: Re: Pressing...
Post by: SurreySam on January 24, 2020, 08:42:58 PM
Great old thread,,(yes I am a bit sad reading through this stuff,,but love all this

Not sad at all.  I've not been around here long and have been trawling the archives and hitting the search feature hard...there's plenty of interesting stuff should one choose to look for it.