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Title: THAT IS ENGLAND!
Post by: Vic Nicholas on January 07, 2014, 10:49:37 AM
This song has been getting a lot of airplay in Oz:

That's In England! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcQ3ptLUiw8#ws)
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Post by: cricketbadger on January 07, 2014, 11:08:43 AM
Fawad Ahmed
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Post by: tim2000s on January 07, 2014, 11:15:39 AM
But of course, we won't mention any Aussie players who weren't born in Australia...

Including Khawaja, Symonds, Kepler Wessels, Brendon Julian or Moises Henriques...
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Post by: lazza32 on January 07, 2014, 11:25:05 AM
out of curiosity how many of the foreign born players learnt there art in england? i.e peiterson learnt how to play in south africa. (this is a genuine question and not a piss take)
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Post by: smilley792 on January 07, 2014, 11:31:37 AM
out of curiosity how many of the foreign born players learnt there art in england? i.e peiterson learnt how to play in south africa. (this is a genuine question and not a piss take)

Didn't pietersen leave South Africa as an off spinner that batted abit?
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Post by: cricketboy2010 on January 07, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
This hasn't been getting any airtime...
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Post by: Manormanic on January 07, 2014, 11:48:23 AM
out of curiosity how many of the foreign born players learnt there art in england? i.e peiterson learnt how to play in south africa. (this is a genuine question and not a piss take)

Genuine Yarpies, fire the braai - Pietersen, Trott, Ballance (okay, Zimbok)

Mostly Yarpie/ bat for both sides - Dernbach, Lumb

Almost Entirewly English, Old Chap (and pass the Earl Grey) - Prior, Kieswetter, Strauss
Title: Re: THAT IS ENGLAND!
Post by: Manormanic on January 07, 2014, 11:49:51 AM
Didn't pietersen leave South Africa as an off spinner that batted abit?

His last FC game in South AFrica he bowled fourth change and batted nine.  He came over here to Notts and started off batting at six and bowling, sort of like a spinning version of Ben Stokes, but the bowling died out after a couple of seasons (oddly in large part due to an onslaught from Darren Lehmann - read into that what you will)
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Post by: Vic Nicholas on January 07, 2014, 11:58:46 AM
Fawad Ahmed

How many tests has he played?
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Post by: Manormanic on January 07, 2014, 12:01:30 PM
How many tests has he played?

playing devil's advocate, how many new Citizenship laws have England passed for Matt Prior?  :D
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Post by: cricketbadger on January 07, 2014, 12:02:27 PM
How many tests has he played?

what difference does it make? He's played ODI cricket
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Post by: Vic Nicholas on January 07, 2014, 12:03:59 PM
But of course, we won't mention any Aussie players who weren't born in Australia...

Including Khawaja, Symonds, Kepler Wessels, Brendon Julian or Moises Henriques...

Khawaja: Was brought to Australia as a 3 year old. How prescient of CA to realise his potential.

Symonds: Was adopted by an Australian family when he was all of three months old (Maybe CA had something to do with it?) BTW, you do realise that his biological parents are Jamiacan (dad) and Danish (mum) - don't you? Not very English.

Kepler Wessels: You guys are still pissed off because he was the only one of Saffers who knocked back your filthy lucre.

Brendon Julian: Parents immigrated to Oz when he was a baby.

Moises Henriques: Parents immigrated to Oz when he was a baby. Also, Portugal isn't a test playing nation.
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Post by: Vic Nicholas on January 07, 2014, 12:05:20 PM
what difference does it make? He's played ODI cricket

All those mercenaries mentioned in that song played test cricket for England.
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Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on January 07, 2014, 12:07:04 PM
This thread isnt going to end well....
Title: Re: THAT IS ENGLAND!
Post by: Vic Nicholas on January 07, 2014, 12:07:18 PM
playing devil's advocate, how many new Citizenship laws have England passed for Matt Prior?  :D

Well, at the very least the ECCB has changed the qualifying period from four years to seven years.

I suspect because the Saffers were getting understandably pissed that their players were getting poached.
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Post by: Vic Nicholas on January 07, 2014, 12:09:21 PM
This thread isnt going to end well....

Chill out Tom!

The song is intended to be funny...and it is!

It even throws a reference to Greg Inglis (who plays State of Origin for QLD) as actually being born in NSW!

This sort of stuff goes on everywhere in different guises.
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Post by: Vic Nicholas on January 07, 2014, 12:11:45 PM
Here is the original "That's In Queensland":

That's In Queensland 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFi2mT9G65A#ws)
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Post by: cricketbadger on January 07, 2014, 12:12:08 PM
Why does it matter to you Australians anyway, you have the Ashes, now let us sit and feel sorry for ourselves, and not bait us further
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Post by: Vic Nicholas on January 07, 2014, 12:21:10 PM
Cricket is a national obsession in Oz, cricketbadger.

Sorry if go over the top once in a while! :)
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Post by: cricketbadger on January 07, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
I know mate, i'm obsessed myself
But I'm currently in a state of mourning
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Post by: Vic Nicholas on January 07, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
I know mate, i'm obsessed myself
But I'm currently in a state of mourning

As I spent most of 2013 in that state, I know exactly what you are going through!
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Post by: awp on January 07, 2014, 12:39:26 PM
I've poked ribs with the 'league of nations' stick but happy to advise I really dont care where anyone was born..... does anyone really?  It is funny that you blokes get so  easily riled up about it though.....
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Post by: FattusCattus on January 07, 2014, 01:02:38 PM
We're uptight Brits AW! It's what we're best at!

However, you poke as many Poms as you want - it keeps us on our toes!
Title: Re: THAT IS ENGLAND!
Post by: joeljonno on January 07, 2014, 01:12:35 PM
Without watching the video, I guess KP will be a standout one, someone who chose to leave his "home" test playing nation for another.

There will be a lot who moved to a country very young or are from a non-test-playing nation.  Would be harsh to say to a teenager that he has to go live somewhere else if he wants to play test cricket in the future even though he had been living in this country for a number of years.

The ones who decide that they want to get residential status somewhere else, such as KP, are the ones which probably rile up most people.  They want to play at the best standard possible, clubs want the best eligible players, they are eligible due to certain rules, they all win in the end.

These ECB rules have been tightened up so hopefully it will be a lot more difficult to "choose" your nation.

England just make the most of the eligible player available (not that this test series proved that).
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Post by: MD2812 on January 07, 2014, 01:38:39 PM
This thread was made for Vic Nicholas! Loves a good Aus vs English argument!

If conquering/colonising 3/4 of the globe isn't good for a strong cricket team then what was it good for?

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Post by: Alvaro on January 07, 2014, 04:55:45 PM
The more I think about this, it's less the fact of the qualification and playing for England: if they're committed then fair beans. It's why we bloody need them in the first place. That's the crux of it.
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Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 07, 2014, 05:22:11 PM
Without watching the video, I guess KP will be a standout one, someone who chose to leave his "home" test playing nation for another.
Didn't Trott play age group cricket for South Africa up to U19s??
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Post by: alba caerulea on January 07, 2014, 05:52:08 PM
KP left due to a racist selection policy nothing else. Who here would not do the same if they were left out for a player of different skin colour or ethnic origin despite being a far better player? Justin Ontong I believe was one player picked ahead of KP under SAs racist quota system and what a fine international player he turned out to be

If South Africa was such a great country, sporting or otherwise, these guys wouldn't keep leaving it


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Post by: Manormanic on January 07, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
Moises Henriques: Parents immigrated to Oz when he was a baby. Also, Portugal isn't a test playing nation.

Nor for that matter are Ireland, Kenya, Papua New Guinea.....

I think the point with this argument is that there is no point - I doubt you would ever get two people, let alone two thousand, who would agree on a definition of what constitutes Englishness - or for that matter Australianness (save the genetic desire to drink bloody awful beer!) - I would not personally allow moves of convenience a la Trott, Pietersen, Lamb, Fawad and Balance but figure there is much less of an issue where a kid is almost exclusively raised in the country and none at all where the player is a kid born abroad to parents of the stated nationality (especially when many of the older guys mentioned were born whilst their parents were stationed abroad either militarily or diplomatically).   

Though as a side issue, I have found it funny to look at the number of players in Australian sports squads who have gone through Heathrow on their British passports  :D
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Post by: MD2812 on January 07, 2014, 08:21:23 PM
Would it be noble for a player who could play for England refuse meaning they never play test cricket?

Yes, for the day they're in the press.

They would then be forgotten......
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Post by: Nickauger on January 07, 2014, 08:33:30 PM
This thread was made for Vic Nicholas! Loves a good Aus vs English argument!

If conquering/colonising 3/4 of the globe isn't good for a strong cricket team then what was it good for?

This I totally agree with. As the strongrst and biggest empire in history,  why shouldn't we pick from wherever we want!
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Post by: awp on January 08, 2014, 04:38:28 AM
KP left due to a racist selection policy nothing else. Who here would not do the same if they were left out for a player of different skin colour or ethnic origin despite being a far better player? Justin Ontong I believe was one player picked ahead of KP under SAs racist quota system and what a fine international player he turned out to be

If South Africa was such a great country, sporting or otherwise, these guys wouldn't keep leaving it
Its only racist when a white person says/does it.........  ;)
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Post by: awp on January 08, 2014, 04:42:02 AM
what constitutes Englishness - or for that matter Australianness (save the genetic desire to drink bloody awful beer!)
You'll be on ASIO's watch list for saying things like that!
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Post by: Manormanic on January 08, 2014, 06:10:59 AM
You'll be on ASIO's watch list for saying things like that!

I only speak the truth!  :D
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Post by: Number4 on January 08, 2014, 06:35:22 AM
Yeah I'd much rather drink warm pints of piss mmmmm ;)
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Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 08, 2014, 05:18:34 PM
Yeah I'd much rather drink warm pints of piss mmmmm ;)

Nothing beats the WI so Both eng and aus suck in comparrison.. Just a shame they are crap at cricket now :(
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Post by: jamielsn15 on January 08, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
Yeah I'd much rather drink warm pints of piss mmmmm ;)

have fun with that, meanwhile I'll be down my local country pub starting with an ice cold pint followed by a local brewery ale served as it should be, at room temperature... ;)
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Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 08, 2014, 06:03:19 PM
have fun with that, meanwhile I'll be down my local country pub starting with an ice cold pint followed by a local brewery ale served as it should be, at room temperature... ;)

But they get better weather !!

Although, it still disturbs me that aus play on asto wickets!!! That's just not right
Title: Re: THAT IS ENGLAND!
Post by: cricketbadger on January 09, 2014, 09:46:30 AM
You should see the amount of cricket pitches over there though, there are thousands compared to over here. When riding on the bus or train I was amazed at how many pitches we would pass. I doubt they have enough groundsmen to be able to keep up with preparing grass wickets every week