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Title: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on January 15, 2017, 12:13:51 AM
Aussies announced their touring party for their 4 match series in India

Steven Smith (capt), David Warner, Matt Renshaw, Usman Khawaja, Shaun Marsh, Pete Handscomb, Glenn Maxwell, Matthew Wade, Mitchell Marsh, Ashton Agar, Steve O'Keefe, Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, Josh Hazlewood, Jackson Bird, Nathan Lyon

The Big Show's back. Both Marsh brothers also return. 4 spinners including a rookie called Swepson(never heard of him)

Poor old Cartright axed after only 1 innings...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on January 15, 2017, 12:45:21 AM
Trying to think of anything either Marsh has done to warrant selection and can't

They'll get tonked like we did
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: CrickFreak on January 15, 2017, 03:15:31 AM
Trying to think of anything either Marsh has done to warrant selection and can't

They'll get tonked like we did

Completely agree. I never understood their selection, very ordinary for Test cricket.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on January 15, 2017, 04:33:14 AM
Swepson is a leg spinner with potential. Picked up a bag of wickets mid 2016 against SA A and India A
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Aussiecollector on January 15, 2017, 07:41:57 AM
If that's the team they think can take on india at home  then god help us with the ashes
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on January 15, 2017, 08:03:44 AM
The Aussie obsession with agar continues. Hasn't shown any potential with the ball
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on January 15, 2017, 08:40:03 AM
What's with Aussies one shot selection policy for newbies.


Chris Lynn, steve smith said in the build up "Lynn has a license to thrill" ". dropped after 1 game.


Test squad announced, 16man, no hilton Cartwright, no nic Maddison, no callum ferguson. But both marsh brother are back in there!!

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on January 15, 2017, 08:50:10 AM
What's with Aussies one shot selection policy for newbies.


Chris Lynn, steve smith said in the build up "Lynn has a license to thrill" ". dropped after 1 game.


Test squad announced, 16man, no hilton Cartwright, no nic Maddison, no callum ferguson. But both marsh brother are back in there!!
Lynns injured, Maddison didn't show enough, Ferguson was a bandaid attempt. Shaun Marsh should ne there, Mitch Marsh's se;ection baffles me.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on January 15, 2017, 09:15:38 AM
Lynns injured, Maddison didn't show enough, Ferguson was a bandaid attempt. Shaun Marsh should ne there, Mitch Marsh's se;ection baffles me.

Didn't know Lynn was innired(I should research more)

Agree on Maddison and both marsh brothers. Just think fergusons and cartwright(among a few others) should have a decent run, they chop and change too much.

And seem to go back one decisions("maxwell hasn't scored enough runs and no shield century in years" a month later maxwell in squad with out playing any shield cricket since).

Shaun marsh is an opener, shouldn't get a game with renshaw and warner opening, even if an injury occurs I'd rather have khawaja move up(as he has been doing) than marsh getting a game.

All baffling, but then Aussies aren't the only ones hat do it.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on January 15, 2017, 09:22:55 AM
Shaun Marsh will bat at 6 I reckon.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on January 15, 2017, 09:23:00 AM
If maxwell and the marsh brothers are back in there cannot be enough quality in the state game, or the selectors have got a bit mixed up. There does seem some odd decisions made selection wise lately for Australia.

Coming off the back of a couple of series wins they may well do better than us in India. A lot rests of Warner and smith thou for runs
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on January 15, 2017, 10:06:39 PM
Mitchell Marsh has reinjured his bowling shoulder and is a doubt for the Indian tour. They really should take Faulkner his style is good for Indian pitches
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Bat and Ball Cricket on January 16, 2017, 02:21:56 AM
If maxwell and the marsh brothers are back in there cannot be enough quality in the state game, or the selectors have got a bit mixed up. There does seem some odd decisions made selection wise lately for Australia.

Coming off the back of a couple of series wins they may well do better than us in India. A lot rests of Warner and smith thou for runs

On the money @ppccopener ! If the Indians work out Smith and Warner early, we are in trouble!

I can't understand why they gave Cartwright a game in Sydney, without bothering to take him to India.
Think ahead and put in a guy you want to take on tour.

I'm ok with them dropping players back to state cricket to build their technique. But they have to knock on the door to get back in.
From memory, Matt Hayden made over 1000 runs in three consecutive seasons before being put back into the test team.
After the 2005 Ashes, Michael Clarke got dropped but runs and a double century at state level and heavy runs in ODI's kept him in contention. It was only Watson's injury that got him into the team for the 2006/7 Ashes. Once back though, he made two hundreds in two games and the rest is history as they say.

These guys need consistency. Maxwell has one good innings for Australia in 10. Sure on that day he is a match winner, but you can't be in an international team at the prospect of being a hero, but ending up being a zero most of the time.

Shaun Marsh can't stay fit.

Sorry, why was Mitch Marsh in the team in the first place? As someone that likes to call themselves an all-rounder, i support there being one in the team. But the selectors need to set a criteria and stick to it.
An all-rounder must be able to be picked on one discipline alone. Meaning they should be able to be picked in the team as either a batsmen or a bowler and just happen to do the other pretty well. Mitchell Marsh doesn't fit this criteria.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on January 16, 2017, 04:33:39 PM
in an interesting move Australia have hired Monty Panesar before the India tour

 :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on January 16, 2017, 04:48:09 PM
that squad is destined to get hammered in india. I just cant see how they will compete.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on January 16, 2017, 04:52:17 PM
it will be a yardstick how good or bad we(England) were in India.

I expected us to lose, maybe thought it would be a bit closer(we nearly won the first test)

Australia have a better bowling attack than England I think, maybe we have abetter batting line up thou
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on January 16, 2017, 04:55:01 PM
like u, I expected England to do better
I think aussies are even worse equipped to challenge india in these conditions
so subject to no weather disruptions, money is on 4-0

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: six and out on January 16, 2017, 04:55:24 PM
do you think that some of the selections are 'horses for courses' after the Aussies have seen us get thumped so they are trying to patch a side together for this series to compete.

by this i mean Maxwell has tons of experience playing in India and offers an extra spin option and if you play Mitch Marsh you can in theory play an extra spinner/seamer/batter in your line up - whether either player is good enough to play

it will be very interesting to see if Swepson plays as apparently Warne rates him highly
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on January 16, 2017, 05:01:40 PM
the question six and out is are there any Aussies spinners good enough to get wickets when their batters are superb players of spin....

that's one of the issues isn't it?  scoring runs is the other, you need scoreboard pressure, you just need 400 every game and hope it works.

I have to say, ive been watching cricket a long time and playing a very strong India away is close to as impossible a task as it gets.....

windies away in the 80's maybe would be on a par.......
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: jblowe on January 16, 2017, 05:08:19 PM
Sorry OZ, your chaps will come home with the same results as our lads.  India will prepare pitches which suit them, your good pace attack will be nullified as soon as the shine has gone off the ball and then Kohli and Co will repeat what the did to us.  Expect some long hot days watch India score runs.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: six and out on January 16, 2017, 05:14:01 PM
the question six and out is are there any Aussies spinners good enough to get wickets when their batters are superb players of spin....

that's one of the issues isn't it?  scoring runs is the other, you need scoreboard pressure, you just need 400 every game and hope it works.

I have to say, ive been watching cricket a long time and playing a very strong India away is close to as impossible a task as it gets.....

windies away in the 80's maybe would be on a par.......

as you say i do think it is a near impossible task at the moment - when you look at the times India have been beaten at home it has been by spinners having amazing series (Monty and Swann) and at least 2 batters (Cook and KP) doing the same. Basically a perfect storm needs to happen including winning tosses.

Have Australia got the spinners -

Lyon - definitely not
Agar - definitely not
O'Keefe - probably not
Swepson - unknown quantity

Have they got the batters - Certainly a few of them are capable eg. Smith, Warner but after that no so sure - it will be a lot of theirs 1st tour of India as well i think - i actually think there are a lot of comparable's to our tour just gone in fact.

I think the only chance they have is that Starc has an amazing Series getting early wickets with the new ball and other wickets with the ball reversing. And the obvious that Smith and Warner score massive runs!


Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: CrickFreak on January 16, 2017, 05:20:22 PM
I think winning in India will depend on how well the visitors bat. In past, teams have batted well couple of times in the series, especially first innings, but have been very inconsistent. The secret is to bat consistently and score 400+ regularly. This will put Indian batsmen under pressure and even the ordinary spinners will look like greatest spinners world has ever seen. Last time India were defeated was by England. And that was because their batsmen batted well. Many say Swann and Monty were the difference but I think it was batting by Cook and KP.
If the batters put only 250-300, indian batsmen will never be under pressure and your bowlers will always be under pressure to take 20.

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on January 16, 2017, 05:29:48 PM
I think winning in India will depend on how well the visitors bat. In past, teams have batted well couple of times in the series, especially first innings, but have been very inconsistent. The secret is to bat consistently and score 400+ regularly. This will put Indian batsmen under pressure and even the ordinary spinners will look like greatest spinners world has ever seen. Last time India were defeated was by England. And that was because their batsmen batted well. Many say Swann and Monty were the difference but I think it was batting by Cook and KP.
If the batters put only 250-300, indian batsmen will never be under pressure and your bowlers will always be under pressure to take 20.



youre dead right there, monty and swann(who could tie an end up when needed) bowled ready well, but up top we put big runs on the board.

Add in Kevin Pieterson's arguable best ever hundred on a raging turner to win us a test and we did have the perfect storm...


there's a huge amount of pressure on Smith and Warner I think.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on January 18, 2017, 10:40:47 AM
I think there are multiple 'horses for courses' selections in the Aussies squad ie/ S.Marsh , Maxwell are seen as being a good bat in subcontinental conditions.  Personally,  other than Smith and Warner , I think Handscomb could have a big series.  I think O'Keefe will have a good series and challenge Starc for leading oz wicket taker . As much as some selections are a tad odd / i dont agree with them etc , at least they have stopped calling M.Marsh a batting allrounder . I wonder if we will encounter similar wickets to what England played on ?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on January 18, 2017, 11:08:31 AM
Has Monty been stung by a bee?

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/monty-panesar-sriram-sridharan-spin-bowling-consultant-cricket-australia-okeefe-renshaw-ncc-brisbane/2017-01-17 (http://www.cricket.com.au/news/monty-panesar-sriram-sridharan-spin-bowling-consultant-cricket-australia-okeefe-renshaw-ncc-brisbane/2017-01-17)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 17, 2017, 03:25:49 PM
Australia feasted on a rather dreadful India A side today during their only warm up game. Australia axed Khawaja(can't play spin) for Shaun Marsh. Mitchell Marsh was also selected. Anyway Smith and S Marsh both made 100s.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 20, 2017, 01:00:40 PM
So Lyon and O'Keefe where slapped silly by India A. Gonna be a little by old your when these two are getting flogged around...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on February 20, 2017, 06:06:04 PM
Australia will have the same problem that we had - they will really struggle to take 20 wickets, and lack sufficient batsmen who are decent players of spin. 

On the former point, they might be slightly better placed than us - Starc has the extreme pace that we lacked to take a few early doors - on the latter its much of a muchness.  We had four (Cook, Root, Bairstow, Ali) plus a hitter (Stokes) and a youngster (Hameed/Jennings) and they have three (Warner, Shaun Marsh, Smith) plus a couple with potential (Renshaw, Handscomb).  Probably be a similar result. 
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 20, 2017, 06:49:16 PM
I saw Cummings bowling the other day not sure if he is in the squad now he is fit, although he is so injury prone it's crazy.

I think the Aussies will do a bit better than us, England could of won the first .....but we didn't and by the end we were were not capable of winning anything over 5 days

The problem Australia will have I think is Starc is the trump card, superb bowler he is, but but but if there is no spinner to keep things tied down he will be bowling too much.

He's a strike bowler but to do that it's got to be short sharp spells, and Indian pitches kill pace off the wicket.

India I don't think will let Lyon bowl maidens, and that's the problem I think.

Massive pressure on smith and Warner to get runs too.

I've been watching the Aussies for 30 years and I don't think I've seen a weaker batting line up.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on February 20, 2017, 07:45:38 PM
I don't see Lyon as being that much of a threat, but I reckon O'Keefe could surprise a few people.  He doesn't turn it much but controls his pace well, like Ravi Jadeja and Rangana Herath, both of whom have been successful in those conditions recently.  It won't be enough, but it will be something.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on February 20, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
I've been watching the Aussies for 30 years and I don't think I've seen a weaker batting line up.

Weaker than the one we blew away for 60? 

Harsh!  :( :D :o
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 20, 2017, 08:01:05 PM
Weaker than the one we blew away for 60? 

Harsh!  :( :D :o

That was one of those magic days you just can't believe what was happening. I still rate Clarke as one of the best batters I've seen, not sure he's a decent bloke, but that not important.

Warner and smith get runs, they are vital and whether we like watching the,(smith) he is a phenomenal player.

After them two.....don't know, who is high class in that side now? I don't know.

We lost 0-4.....I'm following this series very closely. India will win but will Australia do better than we did.....
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on February 20, 2017, 08:07:41 PM
Warner, Rodgers, Smith, Clarke, Voges, S Marsh, Nevill

Versus

Warner, Renshaw, S Marsh, Smith, Handscomb, Wade, M Marsh

Not a whole lot in it really...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 20, 2017, 08:17:15 PM
Interesting to see what pitches they prepare, can't imagine them giving aus the same flat tracks England had (bar 1 test). Think it will be those pitches NZ and SA got
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 20, 2017, 09:40:03 PM
Don't see Warner scoring too many, he's pretty hopeless on slow low pitches. Smith will probably score a few and the rest will be dead wood against Ashwin and Jadeja.

Lyon bowls too slowly hence why the batsmen run and smash him to the moon and back in Asia
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Nmcgee on February 20, 2017, 10:27:02 PM
I wonder whether this will be the series that sends Lyon back to first class domestic cricket on a permanent basis.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 20, 2017, 10:47:53 PM
I'll stick my danglies out there and go Aussies to win 2-1, really looking forward to the series. Smith, Starc and Lyon to excel. Mitch Marsh to baffle me on his selection again.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Nmcgee on February 20, 2017, 11:47:08 PM
I'll go with a drawn series with one of the new faces to surprise with a great series.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Over Gully on February 21, 2017, 03:39:58 AM
I can't believe anyone can realistically think Australia will be anything other than cannon fodder over there. Our batsmen are flat track bullies, and that is fine at home, however we have been exposed in any conditions where the ball moves about a bit. Remember the shambolic tour of SL? We just don't have enough good players of spin bowling. Smith is fine, Handscomb is a good player of spin, but on made to order dustbowls with 4 left handers in the top 7 (if we go with Warner, Renshaw, S.Marsh, Wade), plus the likes of Starc and Hazlewood being lefties, Ravi Ashwin will have a field day. I can't see anything other than India 4-0.

PS: Add to that like likelihood of a spin attack consisting of Lyon and O'Keefe, it will go to all parts!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Nmcgee on February 21, 2017, 04:36:16 AM
It's a slightly optimistic prediction, yes  :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 21, 2017, 05:25:57 AM
If Australia do come out of this current series with a draw with the players they have it will be one of the best overseas performances since.....I can remember  :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 22, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
Bunsen expected with india playing 3 spinners...smith better hope he wins the toss.
No chance of the aussies drawing this tour given they couldn't even beat a weak sri lanka team.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on February 22, 2017, 06:05:38 PM
Bunsen expected with india playing 3 spinners...smith better hope he wins the toss.
No chance of the aussies drawing this tour given they couldn't even beat a weak sri lanka team.


.....yeah looks a bunsen indeed , but the curator seems to think it's a pacemans paradise!   :) ;)

Geez i hope the Aussies can pull off a miracle . But even with a flogging almost guaranteed I'm still more excited about this series than I have been for any in ages . Can't wait .
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 22, 2017, 11:29:15 PM
I think we are making a mistake if we don't pick our best bowlers and just pick spinners for the sake of it.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 22, 2017, 11:48:13 PM
Bunsen expected with india playing 3 spinners...smith better hope he wins the toss.
No chance of the aussies drawing this tour given they couldn't even beat a weak sri lanka team.

You never know, Ashwin might step on a ball and roll his ankle in the pre game warm up...... That could change the outlook of the series.  ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: CrickFreak on February 22, 2017, 11:48:39 PM
Bunsen expected with india playing 3 spinners...smith better hope he wins the toss.
No chance of the aussies drawing this tour given they couldn't even beat a weak sri lanka team.

The "toss" myth was proven wrong just recently  ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Over Gully on February 23, 2017, 12:29:53 AM
I think we are making a mistake if we don't pick our best bowlers and just pick spinners for the sake of it.

Agree 100%. Agar is not a top-class spinner, Maxwell is a part-timer and Swepson, who has looked promising at T20 level, is an unknown quantity in FC cricket. To drop one of the best fast bowlers in the world for one of those 3 would be a massive mistake. Likely Aussie XI appears to be:

Warner
Renshaw
S.Marsh
Smith
Handscomb
M.Marsh
Wade
Starc
Hazlewood
O'Keefe
Lyon

Again M.Marsh has dome nothing to deserve a recall...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on February 23, 2017, 01:29:20 AM
Can't wait for the match to start in 2.5 hrs! I hope aussies give some tough competition and take it to second half of day 5 in most of the games irrespective of the result.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 23, 2017, 01:51:06 AM
Genuinely excited! Not as down on the team as some on here but definitely note some dead wood. I really hope Renshaw and Handscomb consolidate their great starts. Desperate for Starc to be brutal!!!!

We'll have a bat thanks!!!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on February 23, 2017, 03:47:28 AM
Good that Aus will bat first..It will maximize their winning chances...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on February 23, 2017, 05:45:33 AM
Renshaw left the field quickly then! Looked like he was going to make a mess of his underwear.

Retired ill
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 23, 2017, 06:10:41 AM
Renshaw left the field quickly then! Looked like he was going to make a mess of his underwear.

Retired ill

Hahaha. Get the kid some Imodium!!! Great start by Australia. The pitch...........what can ya say??  :(
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 23, 2017, 07:03:50 AM
Steve Smith... How does he keep scoring over 10 with the technique he has? The most ive seen him move his feets in the past 30 minutes is in his trigger
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 23, 2017, 07:06:49 AM
One more here and the aussies will be knocked over for under 200. Bunsen! Test won't go past 3 days
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on February 23, 2017, 07:11:49 AM
One more here and the aussies will be knocked over for under 200. Bunsen! Test won't go past 3 days

Bold claim when there 100 for 1 nearly half way through day 1.


Just out of interest, when was your last positive post about non NZ cricket? You didn't used to be this negative.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on February 23, 2017, 08:00:43 AM
It's obvious India don't want to take any chances by preparing this wicket. Puffs of dust and crumbling and it's not even the end of day one... Not sure why they didn't just prepare excellent wickets like they did when they played England
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on February 23, 2017, 08:01:21 AM
Hey - the Aussies are doing alright here - I guess it's a case of whether they lose 2 or 3 wickets in a cluster. That's a test of their mettle!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 23, 2017, 08:14:35 AM
It's obvious India don't want to take any chances by preparing this wicket. Puffs of dust and crumbling and it's not even the end of day one... Not sure why they didn't just prepare excellent wickets like they did when they played England

Did you see that one from Ashwin? Pitched off hit the square leg umpire in the gonads?

Good start from aussies i would be happy if i was Australian(which i am not)
Gday
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 23, 2017, 08:28:30 AM
Handscomb undone by Jadeja's straight onner, Renshaw's plugged up and back out there.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 23, 2017, 08:29:48 AM
Smith gone now, will they get 200 without him? @csnew could be right!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on February 23, 2017, 08:31:18 AM
Apologies to csnew, his bold claim is coming true.



Why oh why is Mitch marsh back in the side? Has he done owt to warrant selection??
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 23, 2017, 08:35:17 AM

Why oh why is Mitch marsh back in the side? Has he done owt to warrant selection??

#bringbackwatto
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 23, 2017, 08:35:38 AM
no Renshaw will be in the runs today
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 23, 2017, 08:41:55 AM
Apologies to csnew, his bold claim is coming true.

Why oh why is Mitch marsh back in the side? Has he done owt to warrant selection??

I'll be slightly more positive and say the aussies might get to 210 now ;). Aussie tail is far too long in these conditions, M marsh and wade are very poor players of spin.

The Indian spinners haven't bowled particularly well given the conditions
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 23, 2017, 09:01:35 AM
It's obvious India don't want to take any chances by preparing this wicket. Puffs of dust and crumbling and it's not even the end of day one... Not sure why they didn't just prepare excellent wickets like they did when they played England
When India last went to Australia wasn't it 100 after 100 for Smith and Warner on pretty flat pitches? India(and world cricket knows) stifle those two and Australia will most likely crumble
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 23, 2017, 09:13:53 AM
Brilliant set up to get M Marsh. Clueless against spin - rather have maxwell in the side
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on February 23, 2017, 09:14:37 AM
If someone can tell me why Mitch Marsh is relevant in Australian cricket I will buy you a pint.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: petehosk on February 23, 2017, 09:20:58 AM
If someone can tell me why Mitch Marsh is relevant in Australian cricket I will buy you a pint.

I am confused too! If he bowled part time spin I could half understand...but he is medium pace isn't he?
They would be have been better playing a top order batsmen instead as I can't see his bowling being used, although I could be wrong.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 23, 2017, 09:32:08 AM
Renshaw has been seriously impressive!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 23, 2017, 09:33:41 AM
I am confused too! If he bowled part time spin I could half understand...but he is medium pace isn't he?
They would be have been better playing a top order batsmen instead as I can't see his bowling being used, although I could be wrong.
His selection is bizarre, it's not as though he went away and scored runs, I can't see any justification for it.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 23, 2017, 09:43:45 AM
and there goes wade too! Surely they should give a young keeper a go now
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 23, 2017, 09:45:24 AM
His selection is bizarre, it's not as though he went away and scored runs, I can't see any justification for it.

Are you suggesting he was chosen on name alone......?  ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: petehosk on February 23, 2017, 09:57:39 AM
Well batted Renshaw! Sounds like he was undone by a decent ball.
He probably deserved to see the day through to the close...but he is gone now.
they will do well to see the day through now  :o
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on February 23, 2017, 10:15:20 AM
As I said previously Renshaw is exactly what Australia has needed for quite a while now
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 23, 2017, 10:16:43 AM
Saha's catch to get rid of O'Keefe was pretty special. Umesh Yadav 4/25 on a sandpit top bowling
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 23, 2017, 10:20:51 AM
As I said previously Renshaw is exactly what Australia has needed for quite a while now

An Englishman?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: petehosk on February 23, 2017, 10:32:22 AM
Sounds like Starc is going Ninja on the bowling!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 23, 2017, 10:41:08 AM
Warne needs to get his head out of his backside, Australia's innings has been dreadful and he keeps making out 250 is a great score. Australia's spinners are probably the worst India will have faced during this elongated home summer.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 23, 2017, 10:50:33 AM
Are you suggesting he was chosen on name alone......?  ;)
Nope, he was chosen on this fascination of needing an allrounder, even if there's not one good enough.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 23, 2017, 10:56:37 AM
is 250 enough on this wicket?

that's the thing, even if it is exploding everywhere the Indians play spin fantastically

and can Lyon trouble them?

 :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 23, 2017, 10:57:55 AM
Starc and Hazlewood would need to do bulk of damage.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 23, 2017, 10:59:37 AM
India to bat tomorrow rock up 400-500 by lunch on day 3 and win by an innings before stumps?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 23, 2017, 12:18:39 PM
Nope, he was chosen on this fascination of needing an allrounder, even if there's not one good enough.

The comment was a little scurrilous. But the hosk is right. Its a nothing selection. Clearly not selected for his spin, and has no place in an Australian plan to fall back on form pacemen. And thats before considering his at best average form with the bat and recent injury concerns. Hes just nowhere. Pick a spinner, pick a bat that can part time and your already more valuable than M.M. I like him but its a mistake. Likely a costly one.

However, huge man crush on Renshaw! And hoping for a Johnson style form indicator from Starcs innings!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on February 23, 2017, 12:48:42 PM
M.Marsh at 8 instead of Hazlewood.  Maxi at 6, or Agar at 7 even ......but M.Marsh should be 'banned from entry' into any top 7 anywhere .
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on February 23, 2017, 12:50:31 PM
no Renshaw will be in the runs today



You were right ....on two counts !  :D :(
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 23, 2017, 12:58:50 PM


You were right ....on two counts !  :D :(

at last someone got my joke  :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 24, 2017, 05:26:38 AM
400-500 by lunch seems to have been an optimistic prediction....
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 24, 2017, 05:36:23 AM
Dont think the morning could of gone any better
Lyon needs to have a good day as well thou not just the seamers to keep it tight
Good stuff from the Aussies!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Over Gully on February 24, 2017, 05:39:05 AM
Dont think the morning could of gone any better
Lyon needs to have a good day as well thou not just the seamers to keep it tight
Good stuff from the Aussies!

Pity we can't bat! But one again quality pace bowling doing the job. Lyon has to make the most of these conditions.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 24, 2017, 05:48:20 AM
aust and eng very similar, the best bowlers by a street are the seamers-starc is top class so thats your strength
We had a chance to win the first test and didnt nail it, australia need to pile in here big time
Getting kholi is massive
As i said before if Lyon can bowl tight he is doing a job, Starc and hazlewood cant bowl all day and be effective
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 24, 2017, 07:17:42 AM
Stephen O'Keefe with a triple wicket over. India in tatters 94-6
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 24, 2017, 07:19:16 AM
95-7 the pie chucker Lyon gets Ashwin
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 24, 2017, 07:32:50 AM
Monty's done wonders with o'keefe. Massive lead on this pitch, surely the aussies can't mess this one up
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 24, 2017, 07:35:41 AM
Monty's done wonders with o'keefe. Massive lead on this pitch, surely the aussies can't mess this one up
With the run chase King Kohli in the opposition nothings certain yet
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 24, 2017, 07:38:31 AM
5/33 for O'Keefe.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on February 24, 2017, 07:40:06 AM
India might have to dish up some flat tracks for rest of series as they look empty here.


Australia seems miles ahead of England on these pitches. Despite what many thought before this series.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on February 24, 2017, 07:46:20 AM
Monty's done wonders with o'keefe. Massive lead on this pitch, surely the aussies can't mess this one up

Post of the week
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 24, 2017, 07:46:50 AM
India might have to dish up some flat tracks for rest of series as they look empty here.


Australia seems miles ahead of England on these pitches. Despite what many thought before this series.
India where dreadful with the new ball yesterday. Gifted Australia the first session, unlikely to be repeated in the series
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 24, 2017, 07:47:37 AM
Post of the week

The only explanation for an Aussie spinner doing well in India ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 24, 2017, 07:47:59 AM
6/35 SoK. India 105 all out
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 24, 2017, 07:54:35 AM
Be interesting to see if kohli is attacking enough to open with spin, don't think he will. Dhoni would have given the conditions
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on February 24, 2017, 07:55:24 AM
I said in an earlier post on this thread that SOK would challenge Starc as top oz wicket taker in this series.  He has similarities to Jadeja and Herath so how bad could he be !!? Those who say he is nothing more than a club bowler might think twice now . Afterall,  his first class stats ( bowling on unhelpful oz tracks mind) isn't a fluke and has been consistent over many years now .
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 24, 2017, 07:56:02 AM
Be interesting to see if kohli is attacking enough to open with spin, don't think he will. Dhoni would have given the conditions

Was wrong looks like he will. Perfect time for warner to tee off and take this game away
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 24, 2017, 07:59:45 AM
Warner doesn't survive the first over
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 24, 2017, 08:01:00 AM
Warner is the master FTB. Slogs two boundaries yet clueless against spin
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on February 24, 2017, 08:02:27 AM
Hmmmmm ......21 wickets in the first day and a half of the test . Wicket must be a road  ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 24, 2017, 08:03:35 AM
I said in an earlier post on this thread that SOK would challenge Starc as top oz wicket taker in this series.  He has similarities to Jadeja and Herath so how bad could he be !!? Those who say he is nothing more than a club bowler might think twice now . Afterall,  his first class stats ( bowling on unhelpful oz tracks mind) isn't a fluke and has been consistent over many years now .
SoK, after lunch, showed he's probably a better bowler than Jadeja. He got his wickets due to the drift he gets. Jadeja doesn't really get any drift
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: langer17 on February 24, 2017, 08:04:30 AM
If Australia gets a lead of 250 then it's going to bloody tough to get based on how much it's turning half way through day 2
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: liscon12 on February 24, 2017, 08:05:34 AM
Was wrong looks like he will. Perfect time for warner to tee off and take this game away
Warner doesn't survive the first over
These two posts combined are the funniest I've read in a while hahaha :D :D :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on February 24, 2017, 08:15:47 AM
Isn't test cricket great?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 24, 2017, 08:18:00 AM
Hmmmmm ......21 wickets in the first day and a half of the test . Wicket must be a road  ;)

If it happens on a green top no one has any issues, seems it's only an issue when it happens in Asia
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 24, 2017, 08:20:04 AM
If it happens on a green top no one has any issues, seems it's only an issue when it happens in Asia

Massive difference between the two.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: langer17 on February 24, 2017, 08:26:14 AM
If it happens on a green top no one has any issues, seems it's only an issue when it happens in Asia

The difference is that green tops aren't crumbling before a balls has even been bowled.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 24, 2017, 08:28:51 AM
I don't hate Australia, they are just our rivals going back years.  :)

don't want to read anymore posts about the pitch

Australia are away and have to play on whatever they are given, same as teams coming here and they get seaming tracks

So massive credit to the Aussies due here

so far, they have been superb, yes only the first match and all that....


Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on February 24, 2017, 08:40:21 AM
For Aussie fans, predictions of doom are rather like a particularly wet fart - you're equally glad when either one doesn't actually follow through.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on February 24, 2017, 08:42:17 AM
Both marsh's proving great additions in this test........(could be in the same boat with 9 men)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 24, 2017, 08:48:43 AM
Renshaw not opening must have a dose of the squirts.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 24, 2017, 08:53:06 AM
Renshaw not opening must have a dose of the squirts.
He was off the field I think and had to wait an amount of time before he can bat, I am almost certain I didn't dream hearing that.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 24, 2017, 09:05:15 AM
He was off the field I think and had to wait an amount of time before he can bat, I am almost certain I didn't dream hearing that.

you are almost certainly right .

interesting to read Borders comments about Renshaw being off the field. He is the captain who hammered Jones years ago for being sick on the field

tough bloke Border  :) we should have a 'hardest Aussie' thread

border
steve Waugh
david boon


all up there in my book
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 24, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Langer.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Nmcgee on February 24, 2017, 09:14:04 AM
Allan Border should stick to flogging circulation boosters and less on passing judgement on current test cricketers.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 24, 2017, 09:14:36 AM
You stop the list at AB, legend. Google AB giving Craig McDermott a spray on the field, it's gold.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 24, 2017, 09:17:29 AM
Allan Border should stick to flogging circulation boosters and less on passing judgement on current test cricketers.
People on here are allowed an opinion but former test captains aren't? I doubt there's a more respected opinion in world cricket.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Nmcgee on February 24, 2017, 09:18:01 AM
Yawn.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 24, 2017, 09:19:45 AM
Yawn.
Tired or ignorant?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 24, 2017, 09:22:41 AM
So whats a safe total?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Nmcgee on February 24, 2017, 09:23:42 AM
Tired. Let's not forget this is a bloke who didn't win a series for 3 consecutive years. Let's not judge the current players. I think he's hard on Renshaw. I think he should support the guys.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 24, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
Tired. Let's not forget this is a bloke who didn't win a series for 3 consecutive years. Let's not judge the current players. I think he's hard on Renshaw.
Had very little to work with but revived Aussie cricket whilst averaging over 50 in a golden era of fast bowling, he was a grumpy so and so but I think he has earnt a right to an opinion, especially when he's being paid to give it. I don't like older players that bash modern ones either but he's certainly no Boycott.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 24, 2017, 09:31:41 AM
So whats a safe total?
As many as we can get, Kohli wiil still be thinking he can chase anything. I would still be nervous of anything under 350 lead.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: liscon12 on February 24, 2017, 09:48:12 AM
Seeing Matt Renshaw wretching up on an Indian pitch is not what I want to see while eating my Shreddies today.

Good fight by the Yorkshireman but just shows how confident the Aussies are in the batting if they're not prepared to retire him!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Nmcgee on February 24, 2017, 09:48:52 AM
AB was my captain too, when I grew up, but I think he's unreasonable here. I loved AB as a kid but I think he was wrong here.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Nmcgee on February 24, 2017, 09:52:14 AM
240 in front. Keep going boys.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: cesare_in on February 24, 2017, 09:55:44 AM
Don't think can come back now.. it's a lost cause IMHO.

Aussies are making it look a lot easier to bat on this wicket..
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: kaartman on February 24, 2017, 10:08:31 AM
As a reasonable Indian fan, I cannot wait for someone to bitch slap 1) everyone that has been over hyping Indian team in last 5-6 months 2) curator for this pitch 3) post match interview  ;) :(
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on February 24, 2017, 10:08:58 AM
you are almost certainly right .

interesting to read Borders comments about Renshaw being off the field. He is the captain who hammered Jones years ago for being sick on the field

tough bloke Border  :) we should have a 'hardest Aussie' thread

border
steve Waugh
david boon


all up there in my book

Dean Jones
Justin Langer
Len Pascoe
Dennis Lillee
Ricky Ponting
Greg Matthews
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on February 24, 2017, 10:12:21 AM
If it happens on a green top no one has any issues, seems it's only an issue when it happens in Asia



I only mentioned it due to the groundsmans comments before the game . If an english green top was prepared and the groundsman ridiculously said the pitch would turn from ball one , then that would be worthy of comment too.
But , ultimately,  the more rank turners and green tops the better the test cricket , so no problem with the pitch from me.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 24, 2017, 12:47:19 PM
As many as we can get, Kohli wiil still be thinking he can chase anything. I would still be nervous of anything under 350 lead.


Nervous Aussie here.....

(http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad99/Manno31/D91BA849-E8EE-4C7C-8B31-7C1669271B88.jpg)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on February 24, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Looks certain Aus win from here...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: iand123 on February 24, 2017, 03:02:18 PM
As a reasonable Indian fan, I cannot wait for someone to bitch slap 1) everyone that has been over hyping Indian team in last 5-6 months 2) curator for this pitch 3) post match interview  ;) :(

The worst bit by far of any Indian game is when Ravi Shastri comes out for the post match interview, winds me right up
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 24, 2017, 03:03:20 PM
The worst bit by far of any Indian game is when Ravi Shastri comes out for the post match interview, winds me right up

''THAT'S GONE LIKE A TRACER BULLET''
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: GoodLeave on February 24, 2017, 09:55:04 PM
Steve O'Keefe and Nathan Lyon.

Worlds best spin bowling partnership.

Who'd have thought it?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on February 24, 2017, 10:18:17 PM
I believe today proved me right - O'Keefe is a decent bowler and Lyon remains a clubbie!

Was lovely to see Kohli start to lose his rag!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on February 24, 2017, 10:19:10 PM
Steve O'Keefe and Nathan Lyon.

Worlds best spin bowling partnership.

Who'd have thought it?
No one
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on February 25, 2017, 12:28:19 AM
I think in comparing other recent teams which toured Ind versus current Aus (and thus predicting the 4-0 whitewashes on Aus), most folks under estimated/ignored the quality of the aussie pace attack in addition to the extensive spin preparations of the Aussie batsmen. Despite SOK's  outstanding performance, I think the flood gates were really opened by the superb bowling of hazlewood and starc when they accounted for all three Test inform batsmen vijay, pujara and kohli..

Lyon and SOK performance was really a bonus performance showing that if India go about preparing spin surfaces, they also have to handle these two with quite a bit of difficulty ...And despite Indians being great players of spin, in reality the major difference between visiting teams and indian teams is in the indian spin bowling quality more than the ability of the batsmen to handle spin...I am sure if India and Eng played with Ashwin and Jadeja playing for Eng and moeen and rashid playing for india rest all being same, the results would have been quite different...Ashwin and Jadeja would run through the Indian lineup equally easily on those rank turners..
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 25, 2017, 05:26:15 AM
Good points ABD.


And thats a very very good ton from Smith.
This guy gets runs when they are needed.
Starc looks like he knows how to bat too for a bowler
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 25, 2017, 07:16:45 AM
Good points ABD.


And thats a very very good ton from Smith.
This guy gets runs when they are needed.
Starc looks like he knows how to bat too for a bowler
Smith was dropped 5 times...if only the Indians where so generous to Cookie/Root we might've won the series...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 25, 2017, 07:20:20 AM
Smith was dropped 5 times...if only the Indians where so generous to Cookie/Root we might've won the series...
I'd always thought you were South African Felix, not sure why.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 25, 2017, 07:23:01 AM
Both reviews gone for India, shame that. Be great to see Kohli get a roughie with no review left.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on February 25, 2017, 07:29:19 AM
Both reviews gone for India, shame that. Be great to see Kohli get a roughie with no review left.

This is what happens when your late to the party.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on February 25, 2017, 07:33:55 AM
Smith was dropped 5 times...if only the Indians where so generous to Cookie/Root we might've won the series...

The problem with that statement is that Cook was bowled and out lbw more than anything... And Root was lbw quite a few times as well. So I don't Root or Cook we're going to be their saviours
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: edge on February 25, 2017, 07:35:36 AM
Smith was dropped 5 times...
This, drop an opposition captain 5 times in a low scoring game and you won't win many. Just watched the highlights of day 2 and a lot of India's batting was pretty poor tbh, few filthy slogs in there.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smokem on February 25, 2017, 08:06:25 AM
Love the look of disbelieve in kohli's face after getting bowled shoulder arms to o'keefe
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 25, 2017, 08:11:25 AM
The pace the left armer is bowling is interesting, he is firing it in.....on a pitch that turns that's very very hard to play.

Perhaps in contrast to the eng series just watching Ali and Rashid I've always thought it's slow thru the air.

Swann and panesar used to bowl it with a bit of pace, like okeefe is doing here.....

Lyon looks to give it more loop and air when he is bowling
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: JG on February 25, 2017, 08:17:56 AM
Both reviews gone for India, shame that. Be great to see Kohli get a roughie with no review left.

Reckon they should of been able to review the use of a review? The second was an absolute howler!!  :o  Maybe they'll find a loophole for Kohli, as captain, to make an overall decision while they're out there batting so he stands a chance  ;)

Anyway, antoher one bites the dust. WICKETS IN THE CRICKET
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 25, 2017, 08:23:40 AM
How has O'Keefe with a f/c bowling average of 23 only played 5 Tests? Even on a raging turner Lyon is rubbish yet this clown has played nearly 60 Tests
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 25, 2017, 08:27:58 AM
Cheeky little 10fer for O'Keefe. 10/64 extraordinary
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Big Mac on February 25, 2017, 08:29:40 AM
If slow deliveries that do nothing at all are this dangerous at test level then I expect a call from the chairman of selectors this summer.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 25, 2017, 08:38:57 AM
If slow deliveries that do nothing at all are this dangerous at test level then I expect a call from the chairman of selectors this summer.

I was just thinking this, if slow deliveries that don't turn and bounce are the order of the day I reckon I could average sub 20 quite comfortably in Asia :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 25, 2017, 08:40:40 AM
Second 5fer of the match for SoK. Test cricket easy game hey? 5/33
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 25, 2017, 08:42:30 AM
turing into a complete rout of India this which lets be honest, is a surprise.

It's a different game when you're playing under pressure.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 25, 2017, 08:44:48 AM
Another chance down off Lyons bowling, he is almost unplayable, great foil for O'Keefe's straight balls. Be some good reading when I go back through all the predictions later.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 25, 2017, 08:46:16 AM
Another chance down off Lyons bowling, he is almost unplayable, great foil for O'Keefe's straight balls. Be some good reading when I go back through all the predictions later.
One match pal...probably get pummelled in the other 3...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 25, 2017, 08:47:48 AM
One match pal...probably get pummelled in the other 3...
My glass is half full, not half empty.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: procricket on February 25, 2017, 08:49:32 AM
Fair play Australia, Smith is tuff as old boots and flor all there slating they have better bowlers than England.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: procricket on February 25, 2017, 08:49:53 AM
Dean Jones
Justin Langer
Len Pascoe
Dennis Lillee
Ricky Ponting
Greg Matthews

Steve Smith is without doubt a game changer and shows what hard work and ability.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 25, 2017, 08:52:51 AM
Another chance down off Lyons bowling, he is almost unplayable, great foil for O'Keefe's straight balls. Be some good reading when I go back through all the predictions later.

I expected you to get battered. Fair play.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 25, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
I expected you to get battered. Fair play.
I wasn't overly confident. I just think India are not quite as good as they get pumped up to be and we are nowhere near as bad as some experts with big chips on their shoulders make out. Be interesting to see what pitches get served up next, I think this one helped us more than a flat road would.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: procricket on February 25, 2017, 09:02:00 AM
I wasn't overly confident. I just think India are not quite as good as they get pumped up to be and we are nowhere near as bad as some experts with big chips on their shoulders make out. Be interesting to see what pitches get served up next, I think this one helped us more than a flat road would.

Not so sure you have strike bowlers, proper consistent ones and with your bowling line up I think you have decent balance. I think your one or two players from a very good side.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on February 25, 2017, 09:02:20 AM
Ah, the 3 day test match
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 25, 2017, 09:03:02 AM
I wasn't overly confident. I just think India are not quite as good as they get pumped up to be and we are nowhere near as bad as some experts with big chips on their shoulders make out. Be interesting to see what pitches get served up next, I think this one helped us more than a flat road would.

I think most teams (probably quite rightly) are terrified of Warner if they prepare a road. I'm not sure even the most die hard Aussie expected this from SOK though.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 25, 2017, 09:06:02 AM
Not so sure you have strike bowlers, proper consistent ones and with your bowling line up I think you have decent balance. I think your one or two players from a very good side.
Yeah I don't disagree, short a good keeper and all rounder.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smokem on February 25, 2017, 09:06:33 AM
He's bowling the right way for the conditions - with mostly side spin and letting natural variation take its cause. Lyon not really adapting to the conditions to be honest.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 25, 2017, 09:11:45 AM
DRS is playing it's part as well, India's home intimidation has diminished a little.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Big Mac on February 25, 2017, 09:17:06 AM
For real though, an XI made up of random CBFers could have scored this many runs against O'Keefe. This has been embarrassing batting from India.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on February 25, 2017, 09:20:07 AM
What a result for the aussies! Never saw that coming - outplayed India in every department.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Alvaro on February 25, 2017, 09:21:19 AM
I reckon they won't have any homework tonight.

Comprehensive.

Interesting to see how Virat assesses his own team.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on February 25, 2017, 09:44:12 AM
Next 3 pitches should be roads ....then india will likely win . Indias batsmen showed no mettle . Kohli had a shocker in both innings , and that's not likely to happen too often . As an aussie I'm stoked but not counting any chickens yet ....not by a long shot .
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 25, 2017, 10:01:17 AM
Not sure they can prepare roads as such...
The aussies have struck early and done what we should of done
Very very impressive from australia
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 25, 2017, 10:10:32 AM
Cricinfo would be melting down at the moment with excuses.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: parthnayak on February 25, 2017, 10:50:42 AM
One win and all bashing started eh ? I for one was expecting Australia to put a big fight because the way they are ... And the first batting, Starc innings and poor Indian batting led to collapse. India will come back stronger but I believe this win was the everything combined together which also included Australia playing better than expected . No excuses but they were too good in alien condition and they used it properly .
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on February 25, 2017, 04:02:34 PM
Will the Aussies bring Maxwell or Agar in for the next test to strengthen their all round team too? Can't see a need for Mitch Marsh in this side at all!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on February 25, 2017, 05:56:18 PM
One thing was clear from this game - Aus batsmen played for straight one as a strategy (unlike all the other teams Eng/Sa/Nz which visited india recently) and hence so many missed outside edges but few actually getting outside edge while Indian batsmen played for turn and hence so many lbws. So looks like the blueprint for success in subcontinent is uncovered (w.r.t. left arm spinners at least) - play for the straight one and be happy for outside edge misses...

I haven't analyzed Lyon's/Ashwin's  wickets enough to come to a definitive conclusion on strategy for off spinners but at least a simple solution as above for countering left arm spinners is quite a good (and big) start for visiting teams in subcontinent as shown by Aussies!  It holds for left hand batsmen facing off spinners as well..

Extrapolating for offspinners, I think strategy for off spinners is to play for turn/protect stumps and be happy for straight ones missing the outside edge!!



Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on February 25, 2017, 05:59:03 PM
The game showed that for us "spinners" who can do all things except spin the ball, there is still hope left  :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 25, 2017, 06:31:27 PM
From the coverage  I saw this morning, which was only about 2 hours, okeefe was landing left arm darts in the right place. That's really it to be honest. If you have the one the goes straight on and the one that turns(the pitch or your talent) you will do well. A bit like Jadeja who I think is an excellent bowler. Look at okeefes pace, he was bowling good pace for that pitch.

You don't have to look far back to Swann and panesar our two best of recent years. and look at the freebies Ali and Rashid serve up around some good balls. hitting that length puts batsmen under pressure and if it turning like this pitch you are in trouble.

The fact that Australia outplayed India in these conditions is a bit of a surprise but the Aussies deserved it, it's no good saying India were poor....that's a poor argument, Australia were very good.When India were put under pressure they crumbled....on their own pitches.



Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on February 25, 2017, 06:41:15 PM
From the coverage  I saw this morning, which was only about 2 hours, okeefe was landing left arm darts in the right place. That's really it to be honest.

Agreed...Many spinners can keep bowling without spin, but key is to put it in the right length as SOK did...As Michael Clarke nicely said in the commentary "the challenge of playing in these conditions  is that some balls will spin and some dont and that is from natural variation in the pitch"

If the bowler is doing doing it himself, some batters will pick it out of his hand, but if the pitch is doing it, there is not much the batsman can do in knowing which will spin and which wont..
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on February 25, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
... it's no good saying India were poor....that's a poor argument, Australia were very good.When India were put under pressure they crumbled....on their own pitches.

True..Aus played brilliantly and turned the pressure tables on India. More importantly Indians capitulated under pressure that Aussies and other things generated...The fact that no one expected Aus to do well let alone win worked to their advantage while Indians were under expectation that they will rip apart the opposition and nothing less. there was talk that the batting is so strong where a 300 scoring guy cant find place in xi..all these things put pressure...Aus also had new comers in their team without many big names and they  played boldly having nothing to lose while Indian top 5 were all big names though two of them Rahul and Rahane were not in great form, so they ended putting more pressure on themselves..

2 of the guys Ishant and Pujara couldnt get selected in IPL auction while a bunch of uncapped players got picked up for big amounts  - these things also play on the morale tbh..You could see Ishant and Ashwin on day 1, they looked quite jaded more like on a day 5 rather as on day 1...

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 25, 2017, 08:56:26 PM
The main reason why O'Keefe was so successful was because he bowls round armed under cutters. Looking at the highlights Ashwin, Jadeja and even Lyon where getting too much turn most off the time. Batsmen where missing the square turners by 6-8 inches at times. The latter three obviously give it far more of a rip than O'Keefe. O'Keefe's money delivery is the straight on one, once he got the odd one to turn marginally, he was in the game big time.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smokem on February 25, 2017, 11:36:36 PM
Not just round arm, but more side spin and not so much over spin. That's how you get the natural variation. That's how they bowled most of their deliveries, except Lyon who still bowled with a fair bit of over spin. The highlights won't show you many of the straight balls the Aussies didn't get out to.

You can argue that the Aussies got a bit lucky at times but for some strange reason the Indian batsmen just didn't handle the conditions as well. For what it's worth, the Sri Lankan spinners bowled the same way to Aussies when they were in SL last year. It seems the Aussies have developed a plan to combat these conditions and this type of spin bowling. There's still a long way to go but hopefully they can keep it going.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on February 26, 2017, 01:44:12 AM
One win and all bashing started eh ? I for one was expecting Australia to put a big fight because the way they are ... And the first batting, Starc innings and poor Indian batting led to collapse. India will come back stronger but I believe this win was the everything combined together which also included Australia playing better than expected . No excuses but they were too good in alien condition and they used it properly .
Hardly bashing is it?

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: InternalTraining on February 26, 2017, 02:42:11 AM
One thing was clear from this game - Aus batsmen played for straight one as a strategy (unlike all the other teams Eng/Sa/Nz which visited india recently) and hence so many missed outside edges but few actually getting outside edge while Indian batsmen played for turn and hence so many lbws. So looks like the blueprint for success in subcontinent is uncovered (w.r.t. left arm spinners at least) - play for the straight one and be happy for outside edge misses...

I haven't analyzed Lyon's/Ashwin's  wickets enough to come to a definitive conclusion on strategy for off spinners but at least a simple solution as above for countering left arm spinners is quite a good (and big) start for visiting teams in subcontinent as shown by Aussies!  It holds for left hand batsmen facing off spinners as well..

Extrapolating for offspinners, I think strategy for off spinners is to play for turn/protect stumps and be happy for straight ones missing the outside edge!!

And yes, before I get flooded with requests, I may state that I AM  open to taking up batting consultant/analyst role for teams :)

Very good post!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on February 26, 2017, 06:26:03 AM
Another point here is that catches win matches.  India dropped a lot in this game - Smith was put down, what, five times in the second dig, whilst for Australia Handscomb looked like he could catch the Flash.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on February 26, 2017, 07:25:29 AM
Australia did drop a few in the second innings as well
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on February 26, 2017, 10:29:13 AM
Australia did drop a few in the second innings as well

Yes, but that was after they'd taken three blinders in the first, when India were basically just waiting to lose.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on February 26, 2017, 10:56:08 AM
Yes, but that was after they'd taken three blinders in the first, when India were basically just waiting to lose.

So.... Catches don't win matches now?  :D ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on February 26, 2017, 02:51:08 PM
So.... Catches don't win matches now?  :D ;)

Hardly what I said, is it?   Australia converted more of their chances, and all the ones at key times.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: six and out on February 27, 2017, 08:11:35 PM
I love this from Monty, apparently O'Keefe is like a Hyundai i30...

http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10784277/india-v-australia-monty-panesar-compares-steve-okeefe-to-a-reliable-car (http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10784277/india-v-australia-monty-panesar-compares-steve-okeefe-to-a-reliable-car)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on February 27, 2017, 08:25:35 PM
Great stuff. panesar was an excellent bowler.
Its early days in coaching but the aussies are not daft....has monty had an affect on the left armer in this early stage?
Very hard to tell the impact of coaching.
Ive seen a bit, not a lot of the test..looked like okeefe bowled it 'into' the pitch at pace..same as Monty used to
Coincidence?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on February 28, 2017, 05:19:48 AM
I think Monty bowled into the pitch at pace and Sok natually does the same , so probably more like Monty just confirming that 'your method is what works in india , dont doubt yourself or change anything'.  Different scenario for Lyon though as his natural methods are not nearly as well suited to s.c.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on February 28, 2017, 10:04:52 PM
Sorry but there's no comparison between Monty and SoK. The main difference is Monty could turn it square whereas SoK bamboozled the Indians with lack of turn
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 06:08:40 AM
Aussies started well taking 2/72 with a wicket falling on the last ball before lunch.... The Aussies are bowling really well. Starc and Hazlewood opened well followed by SOK and Gary really putting the Indians on the back foot
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 07:05:57 AM
And Gazza bamboozles Kohli 😄
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 04, 2017, 07:07:54 AM
Pressure telling on kohli already?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 04, 2017, 07:09:17 AM
Plumb and wasted a review, absolute gold.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 08:35:06 AM
Great bowling by Sok
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: uknsaunders on March 04, 2017, 08:44:18 AM
I was watching it and when India were 100 odd for 3 I thought "looks a better track", then in the last half hour okeefe has got it to shoot, bounce and turn square. This isn't lasting 5 days if it keeps going through the top!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 04, 2017, 08:54:38 AM
Pitch has already gone! 275 might be a good score here
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 08:57:21 AM
I was watching it and when India were 100 odd for 3 I thought "looks a better track", then in the last half hour okeefe has got it to shoot, bounce and turn square. This isn't lasting 5 days if it keeps going through the top!

Lyon was getting it to bounce and turn nicely from the beginning but it's like someone has turned a switch on and now it's turning square and who knows when's going to bounce or nearly roll
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 09:22:52 AM
And there is a Michelle for Lyon. 55 wickets against India
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 04, 2017, 09:23:36 AM
How someone as talentless as Lyon is playing Test cricket is beyond me. India gifted this mug a 5fer
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 04, 2017, 09:33:45 AM
Surprised jadeja still doesn't have a bat sponsor.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 09:40:45 AM
How someone as talentless as Lyon is playing Test cricket is beyond me. India gifted this mug a 5fer

Great bowling for a 6fer haha
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: uknsaunders on March 04, 2017, 09:41:27 AM
To be fair it's only one end that's gone, poor old okeefe had to spend most of the time bowling at the relatively flat end.  When he had a few overs at lyon end it was turning to first slip! In that context even lyon should be able to get batsman out.

I reckon jadeja darts will be a real handful from that end.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: GoldenArm on March 04, 2017, 09:42:26 AM
How someone as talentless as Lyon is playing Test cricket is beyond me. India gifted this mug a 5fer

I'd pick him over the English spinners all day every day!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 04, 2017, 09:50:38 AM
The clown has 7 wickets.. Embarrassing wouldn't get a game in the second xi in county cricket
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 09:51:41 AM
How someone as talentless as Lyon is playing Test cricket is beyond me. India gifted this mug a 5fer


Great bowling for a 6fer haha

Oops sorry 7fer 🤣😂
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 04, 2017, 09:52:53 AM
The bin man gets 8fer sad day for Test cricket
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 04, 2017, 09:53:45 AM
I'd pick him over the English spinners all day every day!
I'd play with 10 than have Lyon  in my side
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 04, 2017, 09:54:59 AM
How someone as talentless as Lyon is playing Test cricket is beyond me. India gifted this mug a 5fer
Ha Ha what a clown, admitting you are wrong would be much easier than continuing to show your lack of knowledge.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 09:55:00 AM
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 09:55:59 AM
That's an excellent spell of bowling from Lyon.

Great innings from Rahul as well
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 04, 2017, 09:57:55 AM
Most successful Aussie bowler in India.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: uknsaunders on March 04, 2017, 09:58:50 AM
The clown has 7 wickets.. Embarrassing wouldn't get a game in the second xi in county cricket

That's a bit harsh, given our test spinners couldn't stick it on a length in India. I think the Australian spinners are doing the job England needed to squeeze India.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 04, 2017, 09:59:55 AM
Lyon's done well to build pressure by keeping it tight as opposed to other spinners who've given freebies away
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 10:02:01 AM
It's not a bad score till both teams bat.... Let's see the magic of Ashwin and Jadeja on this wicket
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: roco on March 04, 2017, 10:02:31 AM
Just shows how poor our spinners are

Lyon always seems a solid bowler to me who gets a bad rep

He bowls really attacking lines which sometimes get punished
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 04, 2017, 10:03:01 AM
That's a bit harsh, given our test spinners couldn't stick it on a length in India. I think the Australian spinners are doing the job England needed to squeeze India.
Ali, Dawson and Ansari where batting all rounders. Rashid was wild but bagged a few.

If the pitches where like this Ali would outbowl Lyon everyday of the week
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 04, 2017, 10:03:14 AM
Given the state of spin bowling for England since swann retired if you genuinely dont think he would be first choice for our team you cannot be thinking straight
 :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: GoldenArm on March 04, 2017, 10:04:15 AM
I'd play with 10 than have Lyon  in my side

Haha 😂 didn't realise you were a straight up troll. Control, revs, wickets.  Can't ask more from a spinner than that.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 04, 2017, 10:04:23 AM
It's not a bad score till both teams bat.... Let's see the magic of Ashwin and Jadeja on this wicket
You're right, Aussies need as many as we can get in this first dig. balls starting to roll in this first over.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: uknsaunders on March 04, 2017, 10:04:29 AM
Australia have got their tactics right as well. You need finger spinners in India and a good left armed finger spinner. They are staying patient and concentrating on bowling tightly, not getting carried away with the spin. Why the England brains trust picked two offies and a leggy, then left our best left arm finger spinner at home I'll never know.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 04, 2017, 10:04:53 AM
Ha Ha what a clown, admitting you are wrong would be much easier than continuing to show your lack of knowledge.
Lyon is a bum, fluked a career instead of sticking to his job of being a bin man
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 04, 2017, 10:06:10 AM
Haha 😂 didn't realise you were a straight up troll. Control, revs, wickets.  Can't ask more from a spinner than that.
Getting slapped silly by Pakistan and South Africa just a few months ago. Lyon is pony
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: roco on March 04, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
Even as a seasoned convict basher myself

Lyon would walk into our team as 1st choice spinner as ours are poor
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Kulli on March 04, 2017, 10:07:03 AM
Australia have got their tactics right as well. You need finger spinners in India and a good left armed finger spinner. They are staying patient and concentrating on bowling tightly, not getting carried away with the spin. Why the England brains trust picked two offies and a leggy, then left our best left arm finger spinner at home I'll never know.
Who is out best SLA?

Probably still Panasar!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: roco on March 04, 2017, 10:09:11 AM
I like look of Dawson

Nothing special but but if gilo about him
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 04, 2017, 10:10:44 AM
Kohli's seen Lyon take 8 wickets so he starts with 2 seamers. Aussies must be loving it
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 04, 2017, 10:11:38 AM
Who is out best SLA?

Probably still Panasar!

Yes...but not really because he dont play much i think he is still out of contract
Of the current left armers its got to be samit patel. By miles and miles!

The fact monty has not got his career back on track cannot please any England fans.its a shame.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 04, 2017, 10:12:33 AM
Kohli's seen Lyon take 8 wickets so he starts with 2 seamers. Aussies must be loving it
Kohli probably feeling pity on the bin man...Letting Lyon savour his flukey achievement
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: jamesisapayne on March 04, 2017, 10:24:00 AM
Getting slapped silly by Pakistan and South Africa just a few months ago. Lyon is pony

Kohli probably feeling pity on the bin man...Letting Lyon savour his flukey achievement

You must be the troll formerly known as Gerry SA. Surely, it must be true.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2017, 11:11:17 AM
Great quote from Sunny G " The harder you practice the luckier you get"
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: brokenbat on March 04, 2017, 11:37:32 AM

If the pitches where like this Ali would outbowl Lyon everyday of the week

wrong
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: uknsaunders on March 04, 2017, 02:19:29 PM
Who is out best SLA?

Probably still Panasar!

In terms of wickets it was jack leach. To be fair Samit couldn't of bowled worse than the guys who went. Taking batty was indeed batty when faced with a team mostly made up of right handers. Rashid did ok, but historically it's been the domain of the finger spinners. Even Warne struggled, albeit against Indian batsman who really could play spin.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: uknsaunders on March 04, 2017, 02:21:31 PM
wrong

Agree. Lyon is a modern day Ashley Giles, much maligned but does a job.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Buzz on March 04, 2017, 03:52:20 PM
Agree. Lyon is a modern day Ashley Giles, much maligned but does a job.

Are you serious? He has just got 8-50. He is no Swann but he is a very high class bowler. A different league to Giles.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: brokenbat on March 04, 2017, 03:57:43 PM
Are you serious? He has just got 8-50. He is no Swann but he is a very high class bowler. A different league to Giles.

Indeed..You know he is top class when shashtri is using Lyon as an example for ashwin to follow!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Kulli on March 04, 2017, 05:34:49 PM
In terms of wickets it was jack leach. To be fair Samit couldn't of bowled worse than the guys who went. Taking batty was indeed batty when faced with a team mostly made up of right handers. Rashid did ok, but historically it's been the domain of the finger spinners. Even Warne struggled, albeit against Indian batsman who really could play spin.
I think Leach us shown on the Lions tour that the selectors made the right decision leaving him at home.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: brokenbat on March 04, 2017, 05:44:46 PM
A lot of club cricketers scoff at off spin, and think its easy to play. It may be why people are incredulous at Lyon's performance. The devil is in the details (i.e. subtle variations, which are actually VERY difficult to achieve at the top level).

This article sums it up perfectly. Lyon has learnt a lot from the drubbing handed out to him by Younis Khan in the UAE - he learnt from his mistakes, and added subtle variations to his stock delivery. Using these variations effectively (i.e. planning the correct sequence to set up the batsmen) has helped him outfox the Indians. As a budding offie myself, I really enjoyed reading this...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1085297.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1085297.html)

We witnessed, perhaps, the best bowling from an overseas spinner in India. The pitch in Bengaluru was a typical Indian pitch, which had cracks running right through but they were neither wide nor loose on the first day. The islands between those cracks were firm and even though the pitch was a little drier than expected for the opening day of a Test match, it was nowhere close to what we saw in Pune. KL Rahul's innings showed that barring a couple of balls misbehaving, there were no demons in the pitch that can't be negotiated with skills and application. Considering these factors, Nathan Lyon's 8 for 50 become unforgettable. He didn't start as Steven Smith's first-choice spinner at the beginning of the day but ended not only on a hat-trick (which he could complete in the second innings) but also as arguably the best Australian bowler on the tour thus far.

We must focus and spend some time on reading Lyon's pitch map against the right-handers (he bowled only a few deliveries to Ravindra Jadeja) and it will not only highlight the accuracy (the grouping shows that there was nothing too full or too short) but also the line that was reasonably outside off. By bowling that line, he probed both edges of the bat and created doubts.


Nathan Lyon's beehive to right-handers    ESPNcricinfo Ltd
The beehive highlights the amount of extra bounce he managed to extract from the pitch. The best bit about Lyon's bowling is his action, for he puts his entire body behind the ball. In addition to that, he puts a lot of revolutions with the seam pointing towards leg slip (not even fine leg) and that allows him to get more bounce than the rest. There is a lot of over-spin and very little of side-spin in Lyon's bowling and the reason for that could be his conditioning to succeed on hard Australian surfaces. Since there is very little grip available in Australia, he has used bounce as his key weapon to attack.

The following four dismissals highlighted the whole repertoire of Lyon's skill set.

Cheteshwar Pujara c Handscomb b Lyon 17

While facing spinners, the first thing you must judge (besides reading the spin) is the length, for that determines your primary response of either going forward or deep inside the crease. Lyon got the ball to kick sharply so often that those lines got blurred right in the beginning of his spell. The ball that dismissed Pujara was a classic case of the extra bounce creating problems as it pitched at a length that forced the batsman to contemplate coming forward but since it wasn't close enough to smother the spin, Pujara probably got stuck in two minds and also at the crease. The ball took the inside edge onto the thigh pad en route to the fielder at short leg.

Virat Kohli lbw b Lyon 12

The ball that dismissed Kohli would seem like another error of judgment in reading the line from the Indian captain, but to know why it happened we must look at the first ball of the same over. The first ball landed a couple of feet outside off (into the rough created by Mitchell Starc), spun and jumped to hit Kohli on the waist. Once the batsman sees that happening, the strategic and technical response is to avoid putting bat to ball for similar deliveries, for there are two fielders (short leg and leg gully) to catch the flick off the back foot and it's not always possible to ride the bounce and play it along the ground against a viciously turning ball. A similar delivery consumed R Ashwin later in the day and that is a fine example of the dangers of attempting to ride the bounce against spin. There was nothing wrong with Kohli's planning but he picked the wrong length and line to let one go. the fifth ball of the over was a lot fuller than the one that jumped and a little closer to the off stump too. It's not easy to deceive a top batsman in the air but Lyon did that, once again.

Ajinkya Rahane st Wade b Lyon 17

The subtle variation in the air accounted for Rahane. Most of Lyon's deliveries would start angling into the right-handers and the turn would further accentuate the problems, but on this occasion the ball drifted away ever so slightly in the air and foxed Rahane. Earlier in the spell, Rahane had hit a lofted drive over the midwicket fielder and, perhaps, was trying to repeat something similar. This time, though, the ball kept going away from him after pitching, and that was enough to beat the bat. Another classical offspinner dismissal.

Wriddhiman Saha c Smith b Lyon 1

Lyon kept the shiny part of the ball towards his palm and bowled it a little flatter with the palm facing skywards. The reason of doing so is to ensure that the ball lands on the shinier surface and goes straight while skidding through the surface, and that's exactly what it did. Saha got deceived with the trajectory when the ball pitched outside off and he went back to nick the ball to Smitha at slip. Yet another excellent display of top quality finger-spin bowling.

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Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Big Mac on March 04, 2017, 11:21:02 PM
Agree. Lyon is a modern day Ashley Giles, much maligned but does a job.

rofl. Lyon is far better than The King of Spain ever was.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: uknsaunders on March 04, 2017, 11:30:59 PM
Why do people take things so literally? Read what I said properly, then have a think about what I meant.

Did I say Lyon was Ashley Giles, no, did I say he was much maligned but does a job, like...Ashley Giles, yes. I wasn't comparing relative abilities.

For gods sake.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 05, 2017, 06:07:58 AM
Aussies finding it hard going but they are really digging in and fighting hard
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 05, 2017, 07:53:01 AM
Great grit shown by these 2. Lead under 70 - another good session and this series is in the bag
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 05, 2017, 08:05:46 AM
Great grit shown by these 2. Lead under 70 - another good session and this series is in the bag

Not yet..l The Aussies will have to bat on this wicket last
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 05, 2017, 08:07:24 AM
Not yet..l The Aussies will have to bat on this wicket last

Need a lead of around 100 and they should be safe given how the Indians have batted
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 05, 2017, 08:08:20 AM
Not yet..l The Aussies will have to bat on this wicket last
Hopefully they won't if they can chisel out a lead of more than 100
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 05, 2017, 08:13:19 AM
I have to say Ashwin hasn't looked anywhere near as dangerous as Lyon did... Yet
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 05, 2017, 08:16:07 AM
Jadeja is another story... I think they have way under bowled him today
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 05, 2017, 08:47:48 AM
5 down at tea. Aussies continue to play with 10 men - what is the point of M marsh. Yes he got a grubber and was unlucky but done nothing to warrant selection.

Just need a medium pacer to hit that same spot over and over and the batsman got no chance if it does that!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 05, 2017, 08:49:07 AM
Celebrations from the Indians seem a bit over the top. They've not even won the match
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 05, 2017, 08:59:15 AM
I think the game has been played in good spirit to be honest
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 05, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
At least one of he Marshes is getting runs when it's needed.

If the Aussies can get a 50 run lead from here they will be delighted I would think. And firm favourites.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 05, 2017, 09:30:59 AM
Marsh lucky there with the no ball. Was plumb. Indians not had much luck this series
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 05, 2017, 09:45:07 AM
Ashwin seems cooked too much bowling in a short space of time
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: HellomynameisJ on March 05, 2017, 10:31:51 AM
Both sides have had their luck in this series, Australians just look to have blunted the Indian spinners for the most part, especially through that crucial middle session, credit where credit is due to the Indian seamers, bowled their guts out all day, India also well and truly fluffed the reviews again. If the Aussies can go beyond 150 with their lead, they may not need their second innings.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: LateBloomer on March 05, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
Quality from Renshaw, patience and grit
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Byo on March 05, 2017, 10:59:59 AM
Marsh lucky there with the no ball. Was plumb. Indians not had much luck this series
Bowling a no ball is not bad luck, it's just bad bowling. It's not hard to stay behind the line.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 05, 2017, 11:10:37 AM
I still don't understand why they have under bowled Jadeja.. I think on this wicket he could be the most dangerous
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Bwcc on March 05, 2017, 01:08:26 PM
I have to say Ashwin hasn't looked anywhere near as dangerous as Lyon did... Yet

No one can match the goat
Niceeeeee garyyyy
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on March 05, 2017, 02:16:14 PM
Celebrations from the Indians seem a bit over the top. They've not even won the match

I've not watched anything but I imagine the Sharma/Smith thing rallied everyone up somewhat. Can't stand Sharma and his sendoffs at the best of times

Also this video is amazing, can't stop laughing https://streamable.com/lhcoz
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: i12breakfree on March 05, 2017, 04:22:15 PM
did you guys see the bats that Oz team uses. Everyone seems to have a thick edge big bat. Starc had this full profile big bat. I need one
if those bat limit size laws pass , Australia will be the most impacted.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 05, 2017, 07:45:39 PM
Even with the new bat limits they will still be pretty big bats... Renshaws and Marsh's Atomics weren't overly large
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 06, 2017, 07:50:38 AM
Australia posted a lead of 87, Jadeja ended up with up 6 wickets but bizarrely bowled vastly fewer overs than the other 3 Indian bowlers.

88-2 India KL Rahul 51 to go with his 90 in the first innings. Before Smith got him a worldie at slip.

Rahul has been the best batsman thus far in this series.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 06, 2017, 08:04:19 AM
Need a lot of luck on this pitch to get runs, marsh had it in the first innings and now pujara. Agree that Rahul looks the most comfortable in these conditions.
Key partnership this one, probably determine the result
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Kulli on March 06, 2017, 08:04:31 AM
I still don't understand why they have under bowled Jadeja.. I think on this wicket he could be the most dangerous

Yup, I presumed he was injured when I tuned in yesterday morning midway though the day's play.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 06, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
2 big wickets near the end of the session. Was jadeja sent in as a pinch hitter?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Kulli on March 06, 2017, 08:54:09 AM
2 big wickets near the end of the session. Was jadeja sent in as a pinch hitter?

Nah, because it was easier going for leftie's I'd say, played like a dick regardless.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 06, 2017, 10:01:27 AM
I've watched a couple of post innings interviews with Renshaw and I just love this kids attitude.

 " I was just trying to enjoy it out there and have fun"
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 06, 2017, 10:20:53 AM
The aussies need a wicket here, runs flowing now
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on March 06, 2017, 10:24:12 AM
is 200 a winning score?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 06, 2017, 11:06:44 AM
Effectively 126-4. Pujara did well after his early luck
Don't buy the commentators saying the pitch has gone flat - still turning and bouncing. Lyon's finger injury didn't help.

Aussies missing a 5th bowler (M Marsh doesn't count) - Smith should have bowled himself a couple overs.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 06, 2017, 11:11:22 AM
India batting itself back into the game, we will struggle to chase to many more.

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on March 06, 2017, 11:11:38 AM
think 200 would be enough.
if u factoring in that aussies have to bat last

good to see Kohli is human, a few failures for him thus far
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Kulli on March 06, 2017, 11:14:03 AM
Another 70-80 runs tomorrow and it's going to take something special for Oz to chase it down IMO, india have needed a lot of luck to get to the position they're in.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: HellomynameisJ on March 06, 2017, 11:23:57 AM
Australian seamers have been completely out bowled by india, both Hazelwood and Starc failed to build any sort of pressure going at 4 runs an over, whereas sharma and yadav went at around 2. Interesting to note that mitch marsh only bowled 3 overs for 4 runs, seems as though smith is really underbowling him. I can't see australia chasing over 200, but the pitch seems to have settled somewhat, interesting couple of days ahead.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 06, 2017, 10:14:45 PM
India's revival is down to not just gifting their wickets to Lyon and SoK. India milked the spinners, and niether Lyon nor SoK have the genius to actually get top class players out. Starc has been very poor. Australia missing someone like Pattinson.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 06, 2017, 10:24:20 PM
India's revival is down to not just gifting their wickets to Lyon and SoK. India milked the spinners, and niether Lyon nor SoK have the genius to actually get top class players out. Starc has been very poor. Australia missing someone like Pattinson.


India did gift their wickets away, I don't think anyone sensible would dispute it.. however, these Indian batsmen are over rated and aren't top class at all. They don't appear to have the techniqie or midset to bat long when it's not a road. What renshaw did was really good test match batting until he too succumbed to biff biff and charged recklessly down the wicket
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 05:57:55 AM
Just the session the aussies needed to give themselves a chance. Poor batting from India throwing a couple wickets away

Hazlewood can bowl away from Australia!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 07, 2017, 06:16:07 AM
188 to win
A warner blitz to get them off and running?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 07:23:19 AM
Warner's struggles on the subcontinent continue
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 07, 2017, 08:32:05 AM
I think the Indians may just scrape in for a win
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 08:32:46 AM
M marsh to take his side home ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 09:12:32 AM
Ashwin's come to the party when his team needed him - still hasn't bowled great but got the results

Khawaja/maxwell should be in for marsh for the next game
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on March 07, 2017, 09:16:59 AM
This has been a hell of a test match, you cant beat ones like this. Some pathetic and rather childish sendoffs, mind.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 07, 2017, 09:30:26 AM
Jadeja caused Australia's meltdown geezer is like a machine 7 overs for 4 runs
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 07, 2017, 09:32:34 AM
And as I said on day 1 Lyon is rubbish. Got gifted 8 wickets but when the match was there to be won in the Indian second innings, he reverted back to his useless self.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 09:33:03 AM
Jadeja caused Australia's meltdown geezer is like a machine 7 overs for 4 runs

Yet he's been under bowled this test match!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 07, 2017, 09:33:31 AM
25th 5fer for Ashwin
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 07, 2017, 09:35:38 AM
6fer Ashwin Australia's nightmare resurfaces 118 all out
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 09:37:37 AM
And that's the end of that! Good comeback from the Indian's after conceding a big lead on this pitch.

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: parthnayak on March 07, 2017, 09:40:25 AM
For the send offs, This character Smith does get under your skin with his acts , never ending chirping and out of this world batting technique he has . :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on March 07, 2017, 09:41:03 AM
Great fightback from India or poor by Australia for not putting them to the sword? Genuine question as I've not been watching only following sporadically via text commentary.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 07, 2017, 09:44:07 AM
And as I said on day 1 Lyon is rubbish. Got gifted 8 wickets but when the match was there to be won in the Indian second innings, he reverted back to his useless self.

I believe it was Starc that let this game slip... going at almost 5 an over... Lyon was economical which helped Hazlewood take 6 scalps
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: coolcucumber_1 on March 07, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
Missed the grit shown by marsh & Renshaw this time to make a match out of it....Much better captaincy by Kohli this innings though.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 09:59:54 AM
Warner averaging less than 30 on the subcontinent...had a fair few tours now as well.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 07, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
For the send offs, This character Smith does get under your skin with his acts , never ending chirping and out of this world batting technique he has . :)
Mild compared to Kholi though.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on March 07, 2017, 10:26:50 AM
Could it simply be a series of win toss, win game?

Although, I am sure same was been said of the England series, lol
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 10:30:22 AM
Could it simply be a series of win toss, win game?

Although, I am sure same was been said of the England series, lol

Conditions were harder on day 1 according to rahul given the dampness. Ball bounced and gripped more
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 07, 2017, 10:31:22 AM
Knew we would struggle chasing much over 100. Anyone catch Smith looking to the sheds for help with review? Glad umpires jumped on it straight away, thought Kholi's aggression towards the umpires over it was pretty ordinary too.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 10:35:01 AM
Knew we would struggle chasing much over 100. Anyone catch Smith looking to the sheds for help with review? Glad umpires jumped on it straight away, thought Kholi's aggression towards the umpires over it was pretty ordinary too.


Think handscombe was to blame from the video, he was encouring smith to look at the changing rooms
http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4362/drs-dressing-room-review-system (http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4362/drs-dressing-room-review-system)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on March 07, 2017, 10:37:54 AM
Conditions were harder on day 1 according to rahul given the dampness. Ball bounced and gripped more

but of course he would say that  :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 10:51:18 AM
but of course he would say that  :D

easy solution then - smith needs to practice his tossing skills ;) - KW lost every single toss against them
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: springbok45 on March 07, 2017, 10:57:30 AM
Think handscombe was to blame from the video, he was encouring smith to look at the changing rooms
[url]http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4362/drs-dressing-room-review-system[/url] ([url]http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4362/drs-dressing-room-review-system[/url])


Good work by the umpires there, on it straight away with both the review and having a word with virat otherwise pretty poor from both sides.

Horrible ball to get mind not making it into the picture after its pitched.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: edge on March 07, 2017, 01:14:10 PM
Pretty poor from Smith after the game trying to blame it on a junior player, clearly wasn't an idea Smith was surprised by. Wonder if it'll go further.

Always difficult when it's Australia vs India, figuring out who you want to win is like trying to decide who you're rooting for in a fight to the death between Piers Morgan and Simon Cowell ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 07, 2017, 01:19:40 PM
I believe it was Starc that let this game slip... going at almost 5 an over... Lyon was economical which helped Hazlewood take 6 scalps
In Lyon's 60 odd Test career he's only ever taken two 5fers in the second innings whether it be the third or fourth innings of the match.

7/152 against India at Adelaide afar India tried to chase down nearly 400 on the last day. Of the 7 wickets most where slogs caught on the boundary

5/50 against England at the MCG. Where we merrilyslog him up in the air.

Lyon has zero talent to actually get good players out. Merely relies on them slogging him up in the air

India also showed that SoK is hardly the next Bishen Bedi...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on March 07, 2017, 03:11:49 PM
Respect for Smith and Handscomb reduced a little after seeing how they tried to use Dressing room for DRS.  It is not rocket science, if it was allowed, everyone will use it, not sure how Aussies were thinking they would get away with such open deviation..Good to see Nigel Long come hard at Smith and intervening...now wonder how many times earlier they have used it when in the field particularly when facing the dressing room direction already, would be hard to check in such cases when the player is wearing sunglasses lol..
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ScottParko on March 07, 2017, 03:23:57 PM
Pretty poor from Smith after the game trying to blame it on a junior player, clearly wasn't an idea Smith was surprised by. Wonder if it'll go further.

Always difficult when it's Australia vs India, figuring out who you want to win is like trying to decide who you're rooting for in a fight to the death between Piers Morgan and Simon Cowell ;)

That's exactly what I thought. Virat reckons he spoke to the umpires at least twice before that incident about it, so I suspect this tactic was probably a prearranged thing. Smith has sold his 'mate' down the river by suggesting Handscombe told him to do it.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on March 07, 2017, 03:27:27 PM
Smith has sold his 'mate' down the river by suggesting Handscombe told him to do it.

Pretty poor from Smith throwing newbie Handscomb under the bus though Handscomb didn't come out a saint either...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 03:56:30 PM
Kohli basically called the Aussies cheats post match press conference (yes he didn't use the word).
Kohli and smith going at it in press conferences is becoming pretty entertaining

Imagine much more verbals before and during the next match.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: six and out on March 07, 2017, 04:01:18 PM
Kohli basically called the Aussies cheats post match press conference (yes he didn't use the word).
Kohli and smith going at it in press conferences is becoming pretty entertaining

Imagine much more verbals before and during the next match.

yes i watched both press conferences and Kohli's was quite funny, twice he basically called Smith/the Aussies cheats but said 'i don't want to say the word but you know....'

then Smith says 'oh me and Virat just had a couple of conversations on the field nothing out of the ordinary....'

you can just imagine how they went down  ;) ;) ;)

3rd test is going to be spicy

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: CrickFreak on March 07, 2017, 04:39:36 PM
Being India fan, very happy with the win. Some solid batting by Rahul on this pitch. This kid is talented and will get better. Hope he values his wicket more.
Very gripping and exciting game but conditions were horrific. Whether its a seamer friendly or spinner friendly track, it should have consistent bounce. How are you supposed to play a 145 KPH delivery which does not bounce more than 6 inches.
I feel ICC needs to step in and do something about how teams are taking home advantage to extreme. Teams are scoring more runs in ODI than in a test inning. Some might say the new generation cricketers dont have test match temperament but thats not the case. Same guys are scoring double, triple hundreds.
Maybe bilateral series should be played part at home and part away. Or have a neutral curator like neutral umpires. Test cricket is becoming test of how many you win rather than test of real cricketing skills.

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 07, 2017, 04:44:41 PM
All this bickering is pure drama. Watch after 30 days .. At IPL you will see a pic of Kohli-Starc smiling in RCB training and Smith & Ashwin planning their attack for Pune  :D :D :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 07, 2017, 05:06:22 PM
Being India fan, very happy with the win. Some solid batting by Rahul on this pitch. This kid is talented and will get better. Hope he values his wicket more.
Very gripping and exciting game but conditions were horrific. Whether its a seamer friendly or spinner friendly track, it should have consistent bounce. How are you supposed to play a 145 KPH delivery which does not bounce more than 6 inches.
I feel ICC needs to step in and do something about how teams are taking home advantage to extreme. Teams are scoring more runs in ODI than in a test inning. Some might say the new generation cricketers dont have test match temperament but thats not the case. Same guys are scoring double, triple hundreds.
Maybe bilateral series should be played part at home and part away. Or have a neutral curator like neutral umpires. Test cricket is becoming test of how many you win rather than test of real cricketing skills.

You don't need ICC here. Not atleast in the case of Bangalore or Pune. BCCI interference in pitches should stop at the point where they ask curators to prepare wickets aiding team India. Curators know the soil composition and how much moisture is needed to ensure the pitch can hold for 4-5 days. In Pune the big fuss was due to BCCI getting involved and asking curators not water the pitch a day before the game. This resulted in a dust bowl and caused a major problem for team India.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: CrickFreak on March 07, 2017, 05:21:14 PM
You don't need ICC here. Not atleast in the case of Bangalore or Pune. BCCI interference in pitches should stop at the point where they ask curators to prepare wickets aiding team India. Curators know the soil composition and how much moisture is needed to ensure the pitch can hold for 4-5 days. In Pune the big fuss was due to BCCI getting involved and asking curators not water the pitch a day before the game. This resulted in a dust bowl and caused a major problem for team India.

Very ignorant if you think BCCI is the only board which does that. In some recently concluded test matches in NZ, SA, you could not differentiate which strip on the square is being used for the game. Thats how green they were. One of the NZ vs SA test pitch in SA was just uneven as B'lore pitch. Same were given to India in England during the last tour.
there are numerous instances recently. And the curators are not doing it, they just follow home team cricket board's direction.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 07, 2017, 05:34:24 PM
Very ignorant if you think BCCI is the only board which does that. In some recently concluded test matches in NZ, SA, you could not differentiate which strip on the square is being used for the game. Thats how green they were. One of the NZ vs SA test pitch in SA was just uneven as B'lore pitch. Same were given to India in England during the last tour.
there are numerous instances recently. And the curators are not doing it, they just follow home team cricket board's direction.

I am not being ignorant here. BCCI recently has undergone transition where-in new administration has come in to replace the old administration. This kind of issues with pitches are addressed very quickly by the old administration (Srinivasan, Manohar, Anurag Thakur etc). New administration is a little flustered and they ended up giving out bad directions to curators. Pune pitch curator was apparently fined for bad pitch tag. I don't agree with that either, since he was just following instructions from someone at BCCI. This is clearly BCCI's doing and fault. ICC doesn't need to come in here and tell BCCI what is going wrong. BCCI can themselves look at their legacy and see how they used to handle these issues before and follow the same approach.

Bangalore pitch-curators know very well how to prepare the flattest batting track with a hint of spin. If BCCI had let them do their job then we would have clearly seen a 400+ score from either of the teams. Check the IPL scorecards - this is a pitch where teams score 175+ runs in 20 overs !!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on March 07, 2017, 06:01:32 PM
Rightly said, don't mind countries prepare pace or spin pitches, but bounce has to be consistent.
Saffas made green tops to negate Herath and Faf was open about it. But you can't have  a short pitched ball bouncing onto shoe height in cricket at any level let alone at international level. And yes, even 5th day of Test match is supposed to be played on a cricket pitch, not on ankle shooter strips.

To be fair to Aussies, they make the most neutral home pitches overall if you take the whole series into consideration. They provide teams with pace, spin, flat roads etc at various venues so good teams can really compete if they play well on some of the grounds if not on the one or two pacy grounds. Can't say that for the rest of the teams.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: t2ylo on March 07, 2017, 06:07:09 PM
Warners decision still befuddles me - how is that out ever?
Miles down. Never in line. Clipping the stumps... Surely u give that not out & nobody is daft enough to review???
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: edge on March 07, 2017, 06:27:45 PM
To be fair to Aussies, they make the most neutral home pitches overall if you take the whole series into consideration. They provide teams with pace, spin, flat roads etc at various venues so good teams can really compete if they play well on some of the grounds if not on the one or two pacy grounds. Can't say that for the rest of the teams.
10-20 years ago they did, now they're all drop in pitches! In combination with the Kookaburra ball, possibly the worst test pitches going? Flat flat flat and lifeless compared to how they used to be. India just don't seem to be able to make their minds up, pitches for the England tour were excellent but every so often they go nuts and order up a pitch that's knackered by the end of the second day. Still think the home advantage apparently increasing is more than a little down to most away teams rocking up 10 days before the start of a series and playing one 3 day warm-up game against a lousy chairman's XI before going into a test.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on March 07, 2017, 06:47:54 PM
@edge Agree, nowadays in Aus it is mostly flat roads...would love to see at least one juicy pacy pitch at Perth as in the old days and a turner at sydney, but times have changed with T20s advent ..
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Shinpathy on March 07, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
Pretty poor from Smith throwing newbie Handscomb under the bus though Handscomb didn't come out a saint either...

From the replays it did look like Handscomb was pointing Smith towards the dressing room.

Doubt this was a isolated incident, maybe the cameras need to focus more on the players before they review to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 07, 2017, 09:31:56 PM
Warners decision still befuddles me - how is that out ever?
Miles down. Never in line. Clipping the stumps... Surely u give that not out & nobody is daft enough to review???

I guess it comes down to the non-striker. Renshaw or Smith, not sure who are there at that time. It was probably a judgement call from Aussies which went wrong ...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 07, 2017, 09:54:48 PM
I guess it comes down to the non-striker. Renshaw or Smith, not sure who are there at that time. It was probably a judgement call from Aussies which went wrong ...

Should have asked the dressing room  :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 07, 2017, 09:57:16 PM
From the replays it did look like Handscomb was pointing Smith towards the dressing room.

Doubt this was a isolated incident, maybe the cameras need to focus more on the players before they review to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again.

The umpire stepped in pretty quick I've just watched the highlights.Smith is the captain he must know you can't refer to the dressing room and expect the on field umpires not to step in.

Good from the umpires on the field , poor from Smith thou. Shaun marsh got a shocker that was missing by miles must of been worth a review?

Good match, good comeback by India and all set for the third test  :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 07, 2017, 10:06:19 PM
Good from the umpires on the field , poor from Smith thou. Shaun marsh got a shocker that was missing by miles must of been worth a review?


Saw this tweet and i guess this explains why Marsh walked.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/saravdsrc/IMG_6907_zpsn8nhddvz.png)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Righthand on March 07, 2017, 10:14:55 PM
Great fightback from India. I feel they have the edge going into the 3rd match now- probably another big spinning wicket.

Smith's actions should be regarded as cheating? I mean he clearly looked up at the dressing room and made a gesture with his hands. Nigel did interrupt immediately though and credit to him. The speed at which he interrupted suggests that he probably was was warned by Kohli? I'm not Indian but I think this issue shouldn't be taken lightly- there should be some form of punishment if Smith is found guilty. 
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 07, 2017, 10:15:27 PM
That tweet surely cannot be true thats crazy!!  :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 07, 2017, 10:19:33 PM
Great fightback from India. I feel they have the edge going into the 3rd match now- probably another big spinning wicket.

Smith's actions should be regarded as cheating? I mean he clearly looked up at the dressing room and made a gesture with his hands. Nigel did interrupt immediately though and credit to him. The speed at which he interrupted suggests that he probably was was warned by Kohli? I'm not Indian but I think this issue shouldn't be taken lightly- there should be some form of punishment if Smith is found guilty.

I would regard this as momentary lapse of judgement. From the video it looks like Handscomb pointed Smith to look up and that's what he did. As soon as Nigel interrupted he walked away without asking any questions. So i don't think there was an intention to cheat but at the heat of the moment, he seems to have brushed the line but didn't cross it. Kohli mentioned in the press that Starc was looking up to dressing room during Australian bowling for certain reviews. This might have prompted Nigel to walk up and stop Smith, during batting, before something goes out of control.

For what its worth .. i think the series is now on fire ! Aussies played nice in the press conference before and after first test - crediting indian bowlers, ensuring not to rub Kohli on the wrong side. Now the spark has started somewhere and it has picked up momentum. Game on !!!!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 07, 2017, 10:45:32 PM
That tweet surely cannot be true thats crazy!!  :)

Smith looks gormless enough I believe it...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Shinpathy on March 07, 2017, 11:21:17 PM
Gotta feel for Shaun Marsh, that was a shocker.

Smith probably saving DRS for himself.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: InternalTraining on March 07, 2017, 11:26:53 PM
Kohli in his answers to the press was very clear that this (looking at the gallery) was going for 3 days and not a brain fade. Smith has a lot going for himself personally and the team as well, there is no need for this. 
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on March 08, 2017, 05:31:42 AM
Irrespective of which team one supports, the series is setup nicely for the 3rd and 4th tests...Even an Indian fan would find the current scenario much more interesting than the previous tours where the Indians were easily running through all teams making it quite boring.  In Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon and SOK, Aussies have quality and variety to pose a threat on any kind of pitch that comes up next..
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Shinpathy on March 08, 2017, 06:48:53 AM
You feel once Warner Smith and Renshaw are out that a collapse looks ominous.

Shaun Marsh is very good vs spin but not as comfortable vs seam. Handscomb looks good but others are sitting ducks barring the odd cameo from Starc.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: joymarvin on March 08, 2017, 06:53:19 AM
All this bickering is pure drama. Watch after 30 days .. At IPL you will see a pic of Kohli-Starc smiling in RCB training and Smith & Ashwin planning their attack for Pune  :D :D :D

Starc is not playing this year's IPL.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on March 08, 2017, 07:50:36 AM
Mitch Marsh on his way home with an injury. Does that mean Agar or Maxwell in for the next text?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Shinpathy on March 08, 2017, 07:56:40 AM
Convenient for Mitchy Marsh to have an "injury now"

Poor guy, has no luck.

Expect AUS to be rickrolled hard next test now just like when he was dropped during last ashes for Shaun Marsh and AUS proceeded to get demolished while Broady took 8 for 15.

Then he was dropped for the Hobart test vs SAF, we all know what happened next.

Whoever replaces him seems to have a curse. Ferguson had 1 and 0 or something and Shaun Marsh had a pair I think?

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 08, 2017, 09:13:54 AM
For those who have written the Aussies off already you are crazy. This isn't the England team who went and played India on very good cricket pitches only to get spanked. This Aussie team has showed some fight this series on some very difficult batting tracks and on a track like those prepared for England this Aussie team would be far better equipped to take on the Indians
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on March 08, 2017, 11:26:19 AM
But then a 'one-eyed Jackaroo' like you would say that :)

Come to think of it, is a 'one-eyed Jackaroo' a euphemism?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 08, 2017, 11:31:09 AM
But then a 'one-eyed Jackaroo' like you would say that :)

Come to think of it, is a 'one-eyed Jackaroo' a euphemism?

I thought it was a compliment 🤓
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on March 08, 2017, 11:35:41 AM
If a Sheila compliments you on your 'One eyed Jackaroo', then you are the luckiest raw-prawn in Tittybong!  :D

(Yes it's real - look it up!)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: mo_town on March 08, 2017, 01:30:12 PM
Being India fan, very happy with the win. Some solid batting by Rahul on this pitch. This kid is talented and will get better. Hope he values his wicket more.
Very gripping and exciting game but conditions were horrific. Whether its a seamer friendly or spinner friendly track, it should have consistent bounce. How are you supposed to play a 145 KPH delivery which does not bounce more than 6 inches.
I feel ICC needs to step in and do something about how teams are taking home advantage to extreme. Teams are scoring more runs in ODI than in a test inning. Some might say the new generation cricketers dont have test match temperament but thats not the case. Same guys are scoring double, triple hundreds.
Maybe bilateral series should be played part at home and part away. Or have a neutral curator like neutral umpires. Test cricket is becoming test of how many you win rather than test of real cricketing skills.

These challenging pitches are not a bad things in my opinion. Pitches like these guarantee a result and take away the boring bits of a test match where the pitch is flat and batsmen snooze to fifties and hundreds. I hope all countries prepare pitches which have the home advantage and challenge the visiting oppositions. As we saw in the first test, a pitch favouring the home team doesnt necessarily mean an easy win for the home side. Test cricket desperately needs these challenging pitches.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 08, 2017, 01:42:14 PM
For those who have written the Aussies off already you are crazy. This isn't the England team who went and played India on very good cricket pitches only to get spanked. This Aussie team has showed some fight this series on some very difficult batting tracks and on a track like those prepared for England this Aussie team would be far better equipped to take on the Indians
Australia played as well as they could in the first Test. Everything worked for them. Second Test Australia played as well as they could for 60% of the match yet ended up getting routed. India have barely gotten out of second gear whereas Australia have needed to play at their best to have a level series 
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: mo_town on March 08, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
India were pushed to their limit and needed to dig deep to salvage a win in Bangalore. Disagree that India have barely gotten out of second gear.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 08, 2017, 01:50:34 PM
Kohli has been woeful with the bat thus far and Ashwin hasn't even bowled well yet he's got 13 wickets. When these two find their proper form Australia will be lucky to avoid an innings defeat
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: CrickFreak on March 08, 2017, 04:42:44 PM
These challenging pitches are not a bad things in my opinion. Pitches like these guarantee a result and take away the boring bits of a test match where the pitch is flat and batsmen snooze to fifties and hundreds. I hope all countries prepare pitches which have the home advantage and challenge the visiting oppositions. As we saw in the first test, a pitch favouring the home team doesnt necessarily mean an easy win for the home side. Test cricket desperately needs these challenging pitches.

Everyone wants to see a result in a test match but the pitch should offer equal competition between bat and ball. A pitch playing uneven from day 2 is not ideal. A spin friendly or pace friendly pitch is completely acceptable as long as it holds a consistent bounce for at least 3-4 days. It also challenges the pace bowlers to develop new skills to bowl on  a spinning track and likewise for spinners on hard pitches. The batsmen will be challenged in either case. No one wants a flat track!!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Shinpathy on March 08, 2017, 09:45:21 PM
Jadeja has been the real star with the ball, unbelievable consistency ball after ball giving absolutely nothing away and mounting the pressure.

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Shinpathy on March 08, 2017, 11:45:06 PM
More aggressive verbals from the Indian camp  :) :) :) mental disintegration.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1085899.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1085899.html)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 08, 2017, 11:51:40 PM
More aggressive verbals from the Indian camp  :) :) :) mental disintegration.

[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1085899.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1085899.html[/url])
Yet Australia won't cry about it like India does when it happens in return, biggest hypocrites in world cricket.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: LateBloomer on March 09, 2017, 12:54:02 AM
More aggressive verbals from the Indian camp  :) :) :) mental disintegration.

[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1085899.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1085899.html[/url])


Theres a quote there that says Virats onfield behaviour has been exemplary. That must be a joke, hes one of the most petulant players ive seen in international cricket

India in general act like schoolboys when it comes to on field words. Similar thing happened in England when they couldnt wait to tell tales. Keep your mouth shut and what goes on the field stays on the field. Smith was in the wrong of course but was dealt with by the umpire. The continued media tale telling is just child-like

Im not sure why you'd ever want to start a sledging war with Australians in any case. I feel that Pujara might get a word or two back in the next test!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ursmasti on March 09, 2017, 04:22:08 AM
Yet Australia won't cry about it like India does when it happens in return, biggest hypocrites in world cricket.
Wonder if samething kohli does what smith did aus will keep quite and take it as part of game ... i dont think aus are one of the fair play team ... so no point in comparing one to another
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on March 09, 2017, 04:43:03 AM
Take it easy folks...It is natural to like/support one team but the environment is much better when there is no hatred towards the other team. Everyone is trying hard to win and sometimes lines may be crossed but that is why umpires, third umpire/ICC are there to make sure the play is within limits. I dont think it is necessary to call either team names in dislike..

At end of the day, as cricket lovers, we like all teams as they compete hard to win and small things like these shouldn't be blown out of proportion...Smith tried something, didnt work out, Kohli and couple indian players made some comments like U-10 game etc later in the press, Aussies said target Kohli with some comparison and so on....that's it,  no harm done to either side.... every one is trying to play some mind games on both sides, ...so what, no big deal...small bit of spiciness is also good for entertainment, its over, move on...If the other team is not playing with our team let's say as we dont like them, would that make us happy? Surely not right...Everyone still wants more games against them as well as against the other top teams...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: CrickFreak on March 09, 2017, 04:59:07 AM
Yet Australia won't cry about it like India does when it happens in return, biggest hypocrites in world cricket.

It just wont happen so Australia wont get a chance.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 09, 2017, 05:17:52 AM
Wonder if samething kohli does what smith did aus will keep quite and take it as part of game ... i dont think aus are one of the fair play team ... so no point in comparing one to another
Sorry but that makes no sense, are you suggesting that because one team displays poor behavior it makes it ok for the opposition? Kohli is a petulant child and his behavior is disgraceful and he has quite a few mates.  India are the great pretender of world cricket, in more ways than one.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 09, 2017, 05:18:27 AM
It just wont happen so Australia wont get a chance.
What won't happen?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: edge on March 09, 2017, 06:28:56 AM
Yet Australia won't cry about it like India does when it happens in return, biggest hypocrites in world cricket.
Nah they'll get their chief executive to cry about it instead! ;)

Thought both board press releases were hilarious from Steve Smith, outstanding cricketer and person to the mature and seasoned Mr Virat Kohli. No word on whether they come from the right kind of family like Ali Cook though.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 09, 2017, 06:29:58 AM
Kohli has been woeful with the bat thus far and Ashwin hasn't even bowled well yet he's got 13 wickets. When these two find their proper form Australia will be lucky to avoid an innings defeat

They have pla.yed only as good as Australia have let them
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: lazza32 on March 09, 2017, 08:26:09 AM
These challenging pitches are not a bad things in my opinion. Pitches like these guarantee a result and take away the boring bits of a test match where the pitch is flat and batsmen snooze to fifties and hundreds. I hope all countries prepare pitches which have the home advantage and challenge the visiting oppositions. As we saw in the first test, a pitch favouring the home team doesnt necessarily mean an easy win for the home side. Test cricket desperately needs these challenging pitches.

Mark my word. The next 2 results will hinge on who wins the coin toss.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on March 09, 2017, 08:55:24 AM
Always makes me laugh when either of these two sides start whining at each other and complaining about verbals from the opposition!

They want to take leaf out of England's book, man up, and get on with the game without complaining.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 09, 2017, 09:40:14 AM
Always makes me laugh when either of these two sides start whining at each other and complaining about verbals from the opposition!

They want to take leaf out of England's book, man up, and get on with the game without complaining.

BARMY ARMY, BARMY ARMY!!  repeat repeat
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 09, 2017, 01:53:29 PM
They have pla.yed only as good as Australia have let them
Hardly the case. India lost the first Test by not giving SoK any respect. Second Test he was a non factor. SoK might bowl economically but he's had his moment on this tour. As for Lyon a got lucky in the first innings at Bangalore and returned to his usual standard in the second dig.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 09, 2017, 01:53:55 PM
Marcus Stonis replaces the hapless and hopeless Mitchell Marsh
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 09, 2017, 01:55:09 PM
Always makes me laugh when either of these two sides start whining at each other and complaining about verbals from the opposition!

They want to take leaf out of England's book, man up, and get on with the game without complaining.
You fail to mention Jimmy Anderson crying about India not producing any green tops in the recently concluded series...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on March 09, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
Of all the people on here F-Tit - I didn't think it would be you who bit! :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: LateBloomer on March 09, 2017, 04:26:51 PM
You fail to mention Jimmy Anderson crying about India not producing any green tops in the recently concluded series...

You love Jimmy Ger
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 10, 2017, 08:38:02 AM
Mitchell Starc returning home with stress fracture in his right foot. Replacements could be injury prone duo Pattinson or Cummins
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 10, 2017, 09:24:18 AM
Massive blow for the aussies! needed his runs with the bat  :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on March 10, 2017, 05:40:49 PM
My sixth sense tells me Stoinis is going to change the game for Aus in the next test.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 11, 2017, 08:45:55 AM
Patrick Cummins replaces the injured Starc, looks like Cummins might actually get a second Test cap...only 6 years after his first
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on March 11, 2017, 10:14:54 AM
Patrick Cummins replaces the injured Starc, looks like Cummins might actually get a second Test cap...only 6 years after his first


Those 6 years = more than a quarter of his life !
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: bk on March 11, 2017, 10:41:29 AM
Put your money on a Swepson 5-for in the 3rd Test. Guaranteed that Boof will select him to keep up the Mitch count.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 13, 2017, 08:44:40 AM
Looks like the Wade/Maxwell feud isn't over yet. Wade bigging up Stonis for a Test debut in Ranchi, based on Stonis' 'superior bowling'.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2017, 12:07:26 PM
Looks like the Wade/Maxwell feud isn't over yet. Wade bigging up Stonis for a Test debut in Ranchi, based on Stonis' 'superior bowling'.

Perhaps Wade should be more concerned about his own performances than those of Maxwell?
He's hardly set the world on fire since his recall, has he...

And to keep Wade looking over his shoulder, since being dropped because of his batting Peter Nevill has scored 3 hundreds in the Shield ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on March 13, 2017, 02:29:38 PM
Safe to day the shield is not of the standard it was ten to fifteen years ago...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 13, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
Perhaps Wade should be more concerned about his own performances than those of Maxwell?
He's hardly set the world on fire since his recall, has he...

And to keep Wade looking over his shoulder, since being dropped because of his batting Peter Nevill has scored 3 hundreds in the Shield ;)
Wade's keeping has been surprisingly good so far in India. But aside from Renshaw and Smith the rest have looked hopeless with the bat.

Don't really rate Nevill at all TBH
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: edge on March 13, 2017, 11:09:39 PM
Batting? I thought Nevill got dropped for Wade because Aus needed another (No Swearing Please) to keep the quota up after Haddin retired?

In other news, Warner doesn't know the lbw law: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1086496.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1086496.html)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sarg on March 14, 2017, 12:49:19 AM
In other news, Warner doesn't know the lbw law: [url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1086496.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1086496.html[/url])


Even though he arrives at the decision through the wrong reasons, It's probably best Warner puts away the flashy shots on these decks. Best wait for Maxwell to come in show that he puts zero thought into shot selection.  ;)   
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: GoodLeave on March 14, 2017, 08:54:51 AM

In other news, Warner doesn't know the lbw law: [url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1086496.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1086496.html[/url])


Neither did I. Turns out I have the same IQ points as DW. Oh dear.

However, this now means I can switch hit everything. To the Nets!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 14, 2017, 10:24:15 AM
Apparenty Ranchi pitch set to be even more disgraceful than Pune and Bangalore.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 14, 2017, 10:55:35 AM
Have they chosen the strip yet?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on March 14, 2017, 11:22:48 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C63B1e7VoAAk79H.jpg:small)

Err, OK.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on March 14, 2017, 11:44:17 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C63B1e7VoAAk79H.jpg:small)

Err, OK.

That looks shocking!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sarg on March 14, 2017, 12:01:23 PM
Fat chance the bloke with a ticket to day 5 is happy with that either.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on March 14, 2017, 12:01:41 PM
Good god , say it isn't so ....if one of those decks is used for the test it will be a travesty  !
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 14, 2017, 12:03:53 PM
Indian don't learn, a pitch like that gives the aussies a chance - definitely need to win the toss on that!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 14, 2017, 12:04:29 PM
looks like one of the decks we play on in Middlesex

you need a lid on yr head and one on your toes

 :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 14, 2017, 12:06:11 PM
It will be fine... They are giving Kohli a choice of 3
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: parthnayak on March 14, 2017, 12:47:51 PM
What did you guys see in that pitch that I may have missed ? Seems like typical subcontinent pitch .
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 14, 2017, 01:06:38 PM
What did you guys see in that pitch that I may have missed ? Seems like typical subcontinent substandard pitch .

Lets not pretend that its anything other than complete garbage.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: GoodLeave on March 14, 2017, 01:43:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C63B1e7VoAAk79H.jpg:small)

Road.

No really, it looks like a road.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on March 14, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
I'd score runs on that in me Auntie's Pinny with a stick of Rhubarb!!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 14, 2017, 02:36:24 PM
I'd score runs on that in me Auntie's Pinny with a stick of Rhubarb!!

Hmmm.... is that a pros rhubarb?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 14, 2017, 03:24:02 PM
Is the dark patch in the middle where they have watered it, the end has dried but not the middle(so far)

is that correct?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: GoodLeave on March 14, 2017, 03:27:20 PM
Is the dark patch in the middle where they have watered it, the end has dried but not the middle(so far)

is that correct?

Think that's the centre of the earth.

No idea who's going to win. But I'd have a fiver on the match not seeing 600 runs!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 14, 2017, 03:39:32 PM
Think that's the centre of the earth.

No idea who's going to win. But I'd have a fiver on the match not seeing 600 runs!

thing is......depending on how you look at test cricket.......the Aussies have competed out in India, apart from the first test(which we could of won), England didn't.

if this is a result pitch and goes like the others have( I saw a lot of the second test, some of the bounce was borderline acceptable in my opinion)

would you want a result wicket to give the best chance of winning? that's the question really...

It could make it a lottery, but would you gamble to win.....win the toss, put some runs on the board and hope the pitch goes up and down like the last one...


tricky..... :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on March 14, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Apparently a winning score in ODIs there is 250 odd.

I'll wait and see how the match winds up, but I put money on it not going 3 days
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 14, 2017, 10:55:10 PM
Ranchi is a low scoring location for ODI. Ball tends to keep low and spinners do come into effect. I would say this is an expected behavior. Batting friendly tracks are generally - Delhi, Chennai, Bombay and Kolkata.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 16, 2017, 08:13:48 AM
Maxwell selected for this one. Good toss to win for the aussies.

Warner continues to fail on the subcontinent?? Surprised more isn't made of that.

Smith on course for another 100 - they'd be hoping for 320 from here
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 16, 2017, 08:24:49 AM
good toss to win, the Aussies are doing pretty well so far.

if as predicted the pitch 'goes' first innings runs could be priceless.

there's a few Aussies never mastered sub continent conditions even thou they are high quality players.

Ponting being the best example

personally ive been impressed with Renshaw....he's the English guy right?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 16, 2017, 08:28:43 AM
good toss to win, the Aussies are doing pretty well so far.

if as predicted the pitch 'goes' first innings runs could be priceless.

there's a few Aussies never mastered sub continent conditions even thou they are high quality players.

Ponting being the best example

personally ive been impressed with Renshaw....he's the English guy right?
More English than KP, Trott and co anyway.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Kulli on March 16, 2017, 08:30:22 AM
He's one of the English guys  :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 16, 2017, 08:34:49 AM
He's one of the English guys  :D

I thought he was the one.

he's consistent, seems to be a find, they need someone solid I always though Chris Rodgers was a bit under rated myself. Renshaw could be a similar player-solid,steady and patient.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on March 16, 2017, 08:36:18 AM
More English than KP, Trott and co anyway.

So yes.......



Maxwell to 19..... has he already done more than m marsh and wade with the bat this series??
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on March 16, 2017, 08:39:07 AM
Also this stat just popped up on cricinfo


" and Smith becomes the seventh-fastest to 5000 runs. Seventh-fastest in terms of innings, and third-fastest in terms of matches played "

Pretty impressive for a guy not rated on here
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 16, 2017, 08:51:01 AM
And averaging 80 against India
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on March 16, 2017, 08:52:11 AM
Also this stat just popped up on cricinfo


" and Smith becomes the seventh-fastest to 5000 runs. Seventh-fastest in terms of innings, and third-fastest in terms of matches played "

Pretty impressive for a guy not rated on here

Can't argue with the stats! I think the stick he gets is for his technique, it just looks like it shouldn't work but he somehow scores shed loads! I personally think he has a very good chance of going down as an all time Aussie great.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 16, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Good to see maxwell grind it out and he does play spin well if he keeps his head on
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: liscon12 on March 16, 2017, 09:09:40 AM
And he just comes across as a massive dick!

On or off the field his persona is just that of a arrogant selfish Aussie
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on March 16, 2017, 09:37:17 AM
No no Liscers! Don't beat around the bush! Say what you mean!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on March 16, 2017, 09:53:42 AM
And he just comes across as a massive dick!

On or off the field his persona is just that of a arrogant selfish Aussie

I like maxwell, which probably explains how I'm perceived on here...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: liscon12 on March 16, 2017, 09:56:00 AM
Steve Smith is who I'm referring to
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on March 16, 2017, 09:58:18 AM
Steve Smith is who I'm referring to

Oh, yeah he doesn't always come across in good light in interviews. But if he keeps scoring runs then atleast his home people will love him.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 16, 2017, 10:02:41 AM
50 up for maxwell...wade's probably spewing in the changing rooms!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on March 16, 2017, 10:16:24 AM
Wasn't Strauss born in Australia?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 16, 2017, 10:21:09 AM
Wasn't Strauss born in Australia?

no of course he wasn't god help us we had Aussie leading us to the number 1 team in the world

Strauss went to Radley and speaks like Prince phillip of course he is English

(born in SA  :) )
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: HellomynameisJ on March 16, 2017, 10:21:22 AM
Not sure the record books will care about how Smith comes across in interviews, being a stand up chap didnt bump up Bradmans average, the guy is crazy good, makes tons all over the world in all condtions and in all situations, credit where it's due I reckon, regardless of face value judgements.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on March 16, 2017, 10:29:24 AM
That Saha thing was hilarious
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on March 16, 2017, 10:35:25 AM
Smiths slowest ever ton.

Longest maxwell ever batted in test cricket.


Day of strange records!! Well batted both of them chaps. India under pressure again.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 16, 2017, 11:12:38 AM
And he just comes across as a massive dick!

On or off the field his persona is just that of a arrogant selfish Aussie

Not sure I see arrogant or selfish.... Confident and determined I'd call it
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on March 16, 2017, 11:20:16 AM
no of course he wasn't god help us we had Aussie leading us to the number 1 team in the world

Strauss went to Radley and speaks like Prince phillip of course he is English

(born in SA  :) )
thats right: born in South Africa but didnt he spend part of his yourh in Australia (learning the fundamentals and intricacies of cricket) ?  :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 16, 2017, 11:25:58 AM
thats right: born in South Africa but didnt he spend part of his yourh in Australia (learning the fundamentals and intricacies of cricket) ?  :)

Haha!!!  well he played as youth on the green fields of Radley college

but yes.....he did spend time in Australia you are correct

his wife is Australian I believe as well. There's a connection yes.


Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on March 16, 2017, 12:12:01 PM
For anyone that missed it https://streamable.com/fxn88
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 16, 2017, 12:19:48 PM
Smith letting his bat do all the talking whilst kohli's got an injured shoulder.
Pitch not playing as bad as it looks - credit to smith and maxwell: made it look easy.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 16, 2017, 12:20:54 PM
Great day for Australia

they are in the box seats. India under pressure folded in the first test, wonder if it will be same again
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 16, 2017, 01:42:01 PM
It's taken awhile but Glenn Maxwell has finally come of age. Penny seems to have dropped. Must've been frustrated seeing the likes of Ferguson, Mitch Marsh, Cartwright getting chances ahead of him. Maxwell's talent has never been in doubt but whether he had the temperament for Test cricket. Played in second gear and still made it look easy.

Steven Smith looks like a clown at times but can the kid bat. You don't average 60 by fluke. Top class
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: edge on March 16, 2017, 04:11:41 PM
Haha!!!  well he played as youth on the green fields of Radley college

but yes.....he did spend time in Australia you are correct

his wife is Australian I believe as well. There's a connection yes.
On the subject of England players born elsewhere... few years old but this is one of the funniest things ever to come out of Australia for those who haven't seen it before https://youtu.be/RcQ3ptLUiw8
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on March 16, 2017, 04:46:34 PM
what do the forum think is a good first innings score on this wicket?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Vic Nicholas on March 16, 2017, 06:23:59 PM
no of course he wasn't god help us we had Aussie leading us to the number 1 team in the world

Strauss went to Radley and speaks like Prince phillip of course he is English

(born in SA  :) )



Strauss was born in SA.

Moved to UK at 5.

Moved to Melbourne at 8. Attended Caulfield Grammar.

Moved back to UK at 15.

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Vic Nicholas on March 16, 2017, 06:27:49 PM
what do the forum think is a good first innings score on this wicket?

450 at least.

500 would do the trick. Scoreboard pressure would suffocate the Indians and if Oz have a 200 run lead when batting second, they will turn it into a 400 lead quick smart and India will be forced to bat last on a pitch that will surely break up.

Australia have one hand on the BG trophy. Just need to make a minimum of another 150...200 better still.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 16, 2017, 07:30:05 PM
Big Show in the runs.
From all the sh!t he's been talking abiut being a better batsman, I'm expecting at least a double hundred from Matt Wade....
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 16, 2017, 07:49:36 PM
Maxwell might be having a lone beer with a smug look on his face tonight. He may or may not be a big time Charlie but he batted well in a crucial partnership with Smith.

Once in a while it's nice to prove people wrong I suppose.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 16, 2017, 09:27:25 PM
Pitch looks like a nice batting track. It would be a shame if Indian batsman don't put a competitive score here.

Maxwell stands between India and the BG trophy. He plays Ashwin and Jadeja in IPL. He seems well versed with their tricks. In some of the shots, he got out of shape but ensured that ball hit the ground before reaching anyone's hands. Uncharacteristic innings but i believe Maxwell is driven to stake his claim in test line up. From the current looks of things he is going to be averaging better than David Warner !
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 17, 2017, 09:05:57 AM
Think the pitch has played pretty well despite looking poor - looks pretty flat.

Maxwell's got the kick up the backside he needed - wade's comments must've motivated him
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 17, 2017, 09:16:30 AM
Think the pitch has played pretty well despite looking poor - looks pretty flat.

Maxwell's got the kick up the backside he needed - wade's comments must've motivated him


whether they have or havnt motivated him could be the answer to a bit of a problem for Australia

I think even the aussie fans would conclude neither shaun nor mitch marsh really is the answer in that middle order
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 17, 2017, 09:26:33 AM
Think in the upcoming Ashes series Australia might go with Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Pattinson. With Maxwell at 6 as the spin option
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 17, 2017, 12:08:45 PM
Time to complain how flat the pitch is and how boring matches are on roads  :D :D

Difficult to see either side getting 20 wickets now
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 17, 2017, 02:30:09 PM
Nothing wrong with the pitch. Umesh, Jadeja and Cummins showed how to bowl on this surface. India will fancy their chances if they get a lead of 100. Ashwin was subdued in the first innings but on days 4/5 could well be unplayable.

SoK is an honest bowler. No magic or mystery. Bowls a little too slowly compared to Jadeja. Lyon was totally rubbish. Out of his depth when batsmen don't gift him wickets
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 17, 2017, 03:58:53 PM
Time to complain how flat the pitch is and how boring matches are on roads  :D :D

Difficult to see either side getting 20 wickets now

It is a boring match so far sadly. I wasn't hoping it would TEST the batters rather than simply be a road
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 17, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet!!

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4416/breaking-bat (http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4416/breaking-bat)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on March 17, 2017, 04:23:44 PM
I'll try getnin there first.




"Storm damage"
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 17, 2017, 04:33:03 PM
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet!!

[url]http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4416/breaking-bat[/url] ([url]http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4416/breaking-bat[/url])


hmmm...   well at the risk of getting hit by the forum bus  :)  the only way I can understand that bats  are bigger and generally just huge these days - going on the basis super light(low density?) clefts are in same supply as they were 20 years ago- is that the moisture is taken out of them and the press far less, so this sort of thing will happen more and more

could be wrong of course!  haha
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Alvaro on March 17, 2017, 06:46:52 PM
On the plus side, he needs a smaller frame for his 'bat I scored my debut Test hundred' display.

Good on him.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 18, 2017, 09:42:15 AM
Australia certainly look to have Kohli's number so far this series... Only scoring 46 runs from 5 innings at 9.20 ave
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on March 18, 2017, 10:18:05 AM
Cummings bowling well, pace, swing adnusing his bouncer and slower ball variations well.

4for on here so for is a good haul.



If aus can get him and starc fit together. Wow
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on March 18, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
Odd question- does anyone know what gloves Ravi Ashwin uses?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on March 18, 2017, 10:28:45 AM
Cummins is showing how useful raw pace can be on these slower Indian pitches, some brutal short stuff!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: LateBloomer on March 18, 2017, 11:01:30 AM

If aus can get him and starc fit together. Wow

I was thinking this earlier, pretty potent attack including hazlewood/pattinson aswell. Fingers crossed they both twinge a hamstring mid November
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: gaurav23 on March 18, 2017, 12:41:21 PM
Odd question- does anyone know what gloves Ravi Ashwin uses?

'Rns Unik' mostly
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 18, 2017, 07:16:24 PM
Cummins is an extraordinary talent. The next Steyn kind of ability
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: LateBloomer on March 18, 2017, 07:30:09 PM
Cummins is an extraordinary talent. The next Steyn kind of ability

You cannot be serious Ger
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Northern monkey on March 18, 2017, 10:58:43 PM
Just watched highlights
Pujara batted superbly
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 19, 2017, 05:31:57 AM
Odd question- does anyone know what gloves Ravi Ashwin uses?

Ashwin's glove is RNS split finger model. His bat is a modified David Warner profile. It has a mid to high sweet spot but features big edges. So some sort of low density cleft being used. His pads are the Morrant 2-strap ultralite model.

How do i know all this stuff? Watched him practice in nets at Chennai cricket stadium during Ind vs Eng test series. I guess he is still using the same gear ...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 19, 2017, 08:36:12 AM
Pujara's batted 500 balls! What concentration
Surprised India haven't shown some intent to score quicker and put the aussies in tonight.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Byo on March 19, 2017, 08:44:44 AM
Wickets like this are doing nothing to help test match cricket, all rather dull.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 19, 2017, 08:58:14 AM
I bet this isn't rated a 'poor' wicket.. god awful wicket, this isn't testing any of the  batsmen in any way other than concentration.

Bowlers wickets please to test the batters
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 19, 2017, 10:35:00 AM
Let's see if aus have the fight to just bat time and see the game out, they can't win
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Blazer on March 19, 2017, 10:50:08 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if the match ends up in a draw and this series. Australia surprised India first match and nearly made it 2nd test until the last day. As India cannot risk a home defeat, the next track is likely to be another road.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 19, 2017, 10:54:37 AM
Completely different wicket with the Indian spinners bowling.
Warner's looking like he wants to slog everything - don't see him lasting till close.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 19, 2017, 10:57:57 AM
And warner goes - time to drop him? He's had enough failures on the sub continent now
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: coolcucumber_1 on March 19, 2017, 11:13:30 AM
Definitely not a road ....  a sporting track i would say as you have to get your defense straight otherwise its lights out ...atleast when jadeja is bowling.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 19, 2017, 11:36:07 AM
Lyon's lack of talent exposed yet again. Offers absolutely nothing. Australia better off playing Hazlewood Cummins Bird plus SoK
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 19, 2017, 11:36:07 AM
India all over the Aussies now and all but certain to win
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 19, 2017, 12:19:10 PM
And warner goes - time to drop him? He's had enough failures on the sub continent now

Sure he's crap on non roads but he scores so many on roads his avg will always be high enough that he won't be dropped.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 19, 2017, 12:19:53 PM
Definitely not a road ....  a sporting track i would say as you have to get your defense straight otherwise its lights out ...atleast when jadeja is bowling.

1000 runs ?? It's a road
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: gaurav23 on March 19, 2017, 01:13:27 PM
1000 runs ?? It's a road

Batsmen grinding at less than 3/over and you call it a road ?? Well,it's a forum again ;-)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Buzz on March 19, 2017, 05:47:30 PM
When Aus are cleaned up for 120 tomorrow will it still be a road?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 19, 2017, 05:48:31 PM
When Aus are cleaned up for 120 tomorrow will it still be a road?

Well it remains to be seen if that happens ... given the way ball is turning for Jadeja, i am giving that a 60% chance !
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 19, 2017, 05:56:16 PM
When Aus are cleaned up for 120 tomorrow will it still be a road?

Tbf buzz I would put it more down to tiredness and a sheer unwillingness to just bat more than the wicket. Wicket is doing very little and it's day 5
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 19, 2017, 06:57:48 PM
The wicket was turning today day 4. For India to bat past Australia is a pretty big effort and they may well get their rewards tommorow with a win.
It's test cricket it's supposed to be hard over 5 days

From what I have seen the track actually has more pace in it than normal Indian tracks, Cummins is quick and he was getting it thou with decent pace and bounce when he was at full tilt.

Certainly wouldn't describe this wicket as a road.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: CrickFreak on March 19, 2017, 07:50:30 PM
Only pitch which can be labelled as "road" was the one produced by Rajkot against England. this is typical Indian pitch which deteriorates as game progresses and sometimes rapidly after day 3.
India win is a huge possibility unless couple of aussies can anchor down and bat couple of sessions.
this is a great display of how to bat second in India if you lose the toss. Most of the visitors would have mentally lost it after seeing 451 on the board and fold for 200 or less.
Visitors need to learn to do this and take toss out of the equation.
VK has failed so far and wont be too long we see a big score from him. Hopefully he does in last test and win 3-1 (assuming India wont have to bat again in this test  :D).
Day 5....
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: t2ylo on March 19, 2017, 07:55:16 PM
Really enjoying this series.
Normal intimidating & exhausting volume of runs service looks to have resumed thanks to Pujara.
Aussies have taken actual spinners rather than part timers which makes them more competitive
But main difference from India's utter dominance of England is Kohli's lack of runs - just goes to show that even at the very top of the game one truly sensational player is often the difference between the sides.
We are seeing India (without VK) being taken to the wire by an Aussie side that is not their most tremendous... in India!!!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: CrickFreak on March 19, 2017, 08:00:01 PM
Really enjoying this series.
Normal intimidating & exhausting volume of runs service looks to have resumed thanks to Pujara.
Aussies have taken actual spinners rather than part timers which makes them more competitive
But main difference from India's utter dominance of England is Kohli's lack of runs - just goes to show that even at the very top of the game one truly sensational player is often the difference between the sides.
We are seeing India (without VK) being taken to the wire by an Aussie side that is not their most tremendous... in India!!!

He is captain and a batsman. Its always going to be tough when one of the top 4 batter fails 5 times back to back. and being one of the most prolific scorer in the team, it hurts more...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 19, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
Not sure anyone who's watched the last few overs can call it a road now - the 2 wickets that fell turned.
Don't think India can ever win in terms of what wickets they produce, they'll always be criticism particularly on this forum.

Think India are still pretty defensive in there method, other sides would have got on with it a bit earlier and given themselves 20 overs at the end. India did the same against England and still won, but if they have the aussies 9 down and run out of time then they'll look back. Eventually it will cost them
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Shinpathy on March 19, 2017, 11:26:04 PM
LOL no way Aussies will last the whole day.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 20, 2017, 03:34:20 AM
LOL no way Aussies will last the whole day.

It'll be a miracle if they make it to tea.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: parthnayak on March 20, 2017, 04:44:49 AM
My take ... It will be draw... ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 20, 2017, 04:48:48 AM
My take ... It will be draw... ;)
Smith and Renshaw need to bat bulk of the day for us to stand a chance.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 20, 2017, 05:41:19 AM
Did I say tea?

I meant lunch..
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Kulli on March 20, 2017, 07:25:15 AM
Bookies have it a dead heat between India win and draw at the moment.

100-1 on Australia to win :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 20, 2017, 08:29:10 AM
aussies battling away good to see it's benn an old fashioned test match

could S.Marsh redeem himself in one innings?

 :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on March 20, 2017, 08:58:31 AM
Please can we discuss Steve Smith's glorious leave https://streamable.com/iypxa

Followed by his average captaincy
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: GoodLeave on March 20, 2017, 09:12:39 AM
Please can we discuss Steve Smith's glorious leave https://streamable.com/iypxa

Followed by his average captaincy

Wow. Do I know that feeling well...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on March 20, 2017, 09:39:21 AM
Good application by these two, Handscomb looks a real find for the Aussies.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 20, 2017, 10:19:52 AM
LOL no way Aussies will last the whole day.
Did I say tea?

I meant lunch..
When Aus are cleaned up for 120 tomorrow will it still be a road?

Any more expert opinions? Lol

It ain't over till it's over
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 20, 2017, 10:25:41 AM
It could only take a wicket then comes a collapse
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 20, 2017, 10:56:40 AM
Gutsy innings by the Aussies... Haven't seen that from an Aussie team for quite awhile
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Kulli on March 20, 2017, 10:58:54 AM
Gutsy innings by the Aussies... Haven't seen that from an Aussie team for quite awhile

Just needed a couple of englishmen in the batting to stiffen it up a bit ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 20, 2017, 11:09:30 AM
Be interesting to see what pitch gets served up next, massive test this next one.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 20, 2017, 11:15:51 AM
Be interesting to see how the aussies go if they lose the toss. Already spent 200 overs in the field
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on March 20, 2017, 11:17:07 AM
Fantastic effort that after 200 overs in the field. Fair play.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 20, 2017, 11:19:54 AM
Just needed a couple of englishmen in the batting to stiffen it up a bit ;)

You guys could do with a few of them  ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 20, 2017, 11:27:11 AM
Be interesting to see how the aussies go if they lose the toss. Already spent 200 overs in the field
How many did India spend in the field?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: benparkinson1 on March 20, 2017, 11:28:39 AM
does anyone else really love wades pink new balance kit. and his new wicket keeping gloves
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 20, 2017, 11:33:13 AM
How many did India spend in the field?

237 in total
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 20, 2017, 11:37:34 AM
237 in total
Hope they don't lose the toss
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 20, 2017, 11:44:21 AM
Hope they don't lose the toss

Yep - i'd also back the aussies pace reliant bowling line up to hold up if they lose the toss ;). Easier for the home side given there use to there home conditions, but I'm sure you would disagree
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: skip1973 on March 20, 2017, 11:55:01 AM
Yep - i'd also back the aussies pace reliant bowling line up to hold up if they lose the toss ;). Easier for the home side given there use to there home conditions, but I'm sure you would disagree
I only disagree with things that are wrong.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 20, 2017, 12:15:38 PM
Gutsy innings by the Aussies... Haven't seen that from an Aussie team for quite awhile

Hence the expert conservative prediction.

Happy to be proven wrong though :)

My expert opinion is also that the only reason the aussies arent 2 - 0 up is because they didnt open with lion in the second innings last match. Huge let off for india.....
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 20, 2017, 01:56:10 PM
not sure the convicts...erm sorry...the Australians are getting enough credit on this thread, serious effort to bat the day out and keep it at 1-1

so well done........oh this is grating like a jockstrap full of gravel........well d..........o...........n.................e

the Aussies !!!

too far ahead to think about the Ashes but if they are this competitive it's going to be a close series.

 :o
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on March 20, 2017, 05:28:52 PM
To be fair, I'd make them pretty decent favourites in their home conditions - they have a clear advantage in pace firepower, and their batsmen won't be found out. England will be heavily reliant on getting their upper middle order right over the next seven months.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 20, 2017, 05:38:38 PM
To be fair, I'd make them pretty decent favourites in their home conditions - they have a clear advantage in pace firepower, and their batsmen won't be found out. England will be heavily reliant on getting their upper middle order right over the next seven months.


.....Starc and especially Cummins seem to get injured. Cummins has got real pace, he's quick.... Starc is a superb bowler. Hazlewood is ok...

If Starc and Cummins are both fit yes maybe they would favourites...Lyon is abetter spinner than we got......skin the cat any argument you want we just do not have anyone as good as him do we?

agree about our batting.....im not convinced myself we are settled.  Cook yes, Root, of course, Hameed yes(he will get tested) and Bairstow certainties....

is that enough.....I think we need one more 'banker' in the batting order.  :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on March 20, 2017, 07:12:55 PM
I'd take Hazlewood over Jimmy in Oz this winter.

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: LateBloomer on March 20, 2017, 09:00:59 PM
To be fair, I'd make them pretty decent favourites in their home conditions - they have a clear advantage in pace firepower, and their batsmen won't be found out. England will be heavily reliant on getting their upper middle order right over the next seven months.

Agreed. I made a point some time ago about England lacking pace which I stand by. And without a quality spinner in the squad I really make Australia strong favorites
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sctyd on March 20, 2017, 10:17:57 PM
not sure the convicts...erm sorry...the Australians are getting enough credit on this thread, serious effort to bat the day out and keep it at 1-1

so well done........oh this is grating like a jockstrap full of gravel........well d..........o...........n.................e

the Aussies !!!

too far ahead to think about the Ashes but if they are this competitive it's going to be a close series.

 :o

lol.. please be joking...

The next Ashes will be about as close as the last time England toured Australia.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sctyd on March 20, 2017, 10:24:20 PM
.....Starc and especially Cummins seem to get injured. Cummins has got real pace, he's quick.... Starc is a superb bowler. Hazlewood is ok...

If Starc and Cummins are both fit yes maybe they would favourites...Lyon is abetter spinner than we got......skin the cat any argument you want we just do not have anyone as good as him do we?

agree about our batting.....im not convinced myself we are settled.  Cook yes, Root, of course, Hameed yes(he will get tested) and Bairstow certainties....

is that enough.....I think we need one more 'banker' in the batting order.  :)

Hazelwood is okay....

Hazelwood - 117 wickets @ 25.05 econ 2.81 SR 53.4

These are not the statistics of somebody that is 'okay'. These stats place Hazelwood in the elite category. He is the #3 ranked test bowler at the moment.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 25, 2017, 03:30:22 AM
Kohli out?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on March 25, 2017, 03:44:34 AM
Why does Sky2 have to show highlights of last ashes tour , when Broad got 8 for bugger all against us , only 30mins before the test starts ? ..... it's making me so freakin nervous !  ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: HellomynameisJ on March 25, 2017, 03:54:26 AM
Aus win the toss, Kholi and Sharma out for Yadav and B.Kumar, India's two most fiery players out,  Australia unchanged.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 25, 2017, 04:18:00 AM
Matt Renshaw is gone ...

Karun Nair dropped David Warner on the very first ball of the match  :o
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 25, 2017, 05:39:28 AM
Aussies rattling along at the moment, great start from them.
Smith...once again...is getting runs. He doesnt have a copy of the MCC coaching manual is his back pocket-he dont need one!
Its not how its how many someone once said- how true  :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Buzz on March 25, 2017, 07:57:32 AM
Glenn Maxwell is a clown.

Steve Smith is extraordinary.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 25, 2017, 08:56:36 AM
Ahhhh.. the old middle order collapse weve come to know and love so much.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 25, 2017, 09:37:15 AM
Credit to the young spinner, he's bowled well
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 25, 2017, 10:05:27 AM
Smith just keeps getting better and better right now. 482 runs in this series already with one more innings to come - racked them up in some difficult conditions
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 26, 2017, 04:00:45 AM
Not sure if anyone has seen this video from the 3rd test re Maxi's broken bat

https://youtu.be/tMezMsfQNuI
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on March 26, 2017, 07:49:54 AM
Cummins vs Rahane is fun to watch.

We've had a missed ramp, a pull through midwicket, a top edge for six, and a duck/pull/shut his eyes shot.

90mph bouncers are the bomb
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 26, 2017, 08:38:41 AM
Much like his state teammate Jadeja, Pujara is also a machine. His love for batting is unrelenting.

Australia should've played Stonis ahead of Marsh so they don't end up running Cummins and Hazlewood into the ground
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 26, 2017, 09:52:17 AM
India's score looks deceiving with them playing the extra bowler.
Nair after his 300 vs England doesn't look too impressive.

Enjoying this pitch - something in it for the bowlers with a bit of extra bounce
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 26, 2017, 10:35:41 AM
Pie chucker Lyon with 4 wickets...embarrassing by India
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on March 26, 2017, 10:37:10 AM
@Felix Tito ... just wondering  - is Lyon still just a club bowler ?  ;) :( :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: procricket on March 26, 2017, 11:00:27 AM
Pie chucker Lyon with 4 wickets...embarrassing by India

why embarrassing, Lyon is a proven Test quality bowler is the G.O.A.T.

GOOD OFF SPINNER
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 26, 2017, 11:18:49 AM
GOAT? Who you kidding? An accolade like that is reserved for sportsmen like Bradman, Jordan, Schumacher, Senna, Woods etc not a village green bowler without an ounce of God given talent
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 26, 2017, 11:20:11 AM
@Felix Tito ... just wondering  - is Lyon still just a club bowler ?  ;) :( :D
Wouldn't let him mow the lawn at my hometown ground, let alone let him play for my club...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 26, 2017, 11:25:39 AM
Well and truly outbowled Ashwin this series.. Pretty good effort considering it's on Ashwin's home turf
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: LateBloomer on March 26, 2017, 11:26:27 AM
Wouldn't let him mow the lawn at my hometown ground, let alone let him play for my club...

Just out of interest - whats the name of your hometown club?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 26, 2017, 11:44:13 AM
Excellent day from the Aussies Cummins has def got wheels

As for Lyon....once again bowled a good line and got bounce on an awkward length

It's getting very tiresome reading stuff on here about him. The guy is a decent bowler and anyone who thinks he would not walk into the England team really can't be the full ticket.

Would agree he is matching Ashwin

Come on give the guy some credit  :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 26, 2017, 01:29:30 PM
Excellent day from the Aussies Cummins has def got wheels

As for Lyon....once again bowled a good line and got bounce on an awkward length

It's getting very tiresome reading stuff on here about him. The guy is a decent bowler and anyone who thinks he would not walk into the England team really can't be the full ticket.

Would agree he is matching Ashwin

Come on give the guy some credit  :)

In fairness, walking into the England team isn't difficult ! Moeen or Rashid ..
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: procricket on March 26, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
GOAT? Who you kidding? An accolade like that is reserved for sportsmen like Bradman, Jordan, Schumacher, Senna, Woods etc not a village green bowler without an ounce of God given talent

I go off what I watch he nearly as good as Swann and Swann was decent..

Lyons is decent but it all opinions he playing for his country whilst you and I are playing village greens !!! I think i beat him on kits stakes though !!!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on March 26, 2017, 02:30:11 PM
Wouldn't let him mow the lawn at my hometown ground, let alone let him play for my club...

Since Lyon has so far outbowled Ashwin this series , and since his overall record is better than many , and comparable to many decent test spinners (think Vettori for example) , it seems your  hometown club is one highly talented , very exclusive , picky club indeed ... knocking back test bowlers left , right and centre . ' Yeah mate , i know , i know , you took 200 odd test wickets , blah blah blah....but there's just no room for you at our club I'm afraid'.  :) ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on March 26, 2017, 02:41:43 PM
Since Lyon has so far outbowled Ashwin this series , and since his overall record is better than many , and comparable to many decent test spinners (think Vettori for example) , it seems your  hometown club is one highly talented , very exclusive , picky club indeed ... knocking back test bowlers left , right and centre . ' Yeah mate , i know , i know , you took 200 odd test wickets , blah blah blah....but there's just no room for you at our club I'm afraid'.  :) ;)

....maybe we can give you a run in 5th grade if you offer to open up the canteen on match days .  :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: billyb on March 26, 2017, 02:45:08 PM
....maybe we can give you a run in 5th grade if you offer to open up the canteen on match days .  :D

Maybe @Felix Tito is actually Adil Rashid or Mooen Ali, and is just jealous of the fact that Lyon is a proper (and better) spinner?
At least it'd explain why he's able to knock back very good players...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: petehosk on March 26, 2017, 04:35:52 PM
From my point of view and ignoring the stats which are always a little more flattering on some and less on others, depending on where they have played more.....
But the topic of Lyons!

Would I pick Lyons over Ashwin or Jadeja? No way! But I rate them as two of the best at the moment. Both decent with the bat too!
Would i rate Lyon as highly as Swann ot Vettori...again no.
However, Lyon is a decent bowler! Does he offer masses of rip or variations and tricky to play like Shane used to be? No!
But he does offer some consistency and bowls good lines.
I would ask 2 questions.....
1. Does he get wickets?
2. would I have him in the England line up?

And it would be a huge YES to both questions!
He does get regular wickets and trying to say otherwise is pointless. Some would argue that he only gets wickets when then batsmen go after him or play a rash shot - in other words, he rarely gets a wicket using skill and cunning and tactical bowling. But surely the skill and tactic Lyon uses is to bowl in a consistent way, so as to force the batsman into changing his shots and therefore make a mistake. Surely doing this is a skill in itself?

The guy takes wickets and seems to have found some decent form. Just my opinion!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: rickjames on March 27, 2017, 08:11:43 AM
I love how Maxwell has no understanding of the situation and just does his thing. Glorious.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 27, 2017, 08:23:01 AM
exactly what is needed to get the momentum back to Australia

whether he has a brain or not for the situation who knows

but counter attacking is dead right

gilchrist did this so so well in the past....

(to us mainly)

 :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 27, 2017, 09:38:18 AM
All down to wade here to get them to some sort of score. Setting india 175 could be tricky.

Another failure for mr warner - was dropped again by nair like in the first innings.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 27, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
getting harder to get runs on this but Australia with 150 lead could be in with a good shout

another terrific test match in store....

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 27, 2017, 10:15:47 AM
Its all over.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on March 27, 2017, 10:18:45 AM
Surely wades got to tee off now?? Get the runs on the board!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 27, 2017, 10:24:16 AM
8 off 78 that's proper blocking


time for some long handle at least it might scatter some fielders
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 27, 2017, 10:28:13 AM
def time now to lapprup anything in sight!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 27, 2017, 10:28:30 AM
Too late now - 9 down. Wade's got his tactics wrong
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 27, 2017, 10:42:14 AM
106 needed to win. Wade left high and dry.

a couple wickets before close and it could make this test match interesting
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on March 27, 2017, 10:44:38 AM
mm not sure
even if Aussies nab 2 wickets, they are probably 50/60 runs short from making it a defendable score.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on March 27, 2017, 10:45:48 AM
to be fair, the aussies have done much better than most expected. and have made india work hard for the entire series.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on March 27, 2017, 10:46:52 AM
def time now to lapprup anything in sight!

@ppccopener  - what the hell is a 'lapprup'?  :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 27, 2017, 10:47:08 AM
if only the aussies got there selection right earlier in the series, could've won or drawn this series.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 27, 2017, 10:47:43 AM
I love how Maxwell has no understanding of the situation and just does his thing. Glorious.

It's called playing your natural game.. Which is what we all should be doing
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 27, 2017, 10:54:20 AM
All down to wade here to get them to some sort of score. Setting india 175 could be tricky.

Another failure for mr warner - was dropped again by nair like in the first innings.

Serious question.... Why do people focus on Warner "failing" but no one says much at all about Kohli "failing". After all Warner outscored Kohli this series and was the 7th highest run scorer out scoring Kohli 5 to 1
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 27, 2017, 10:56:18 AM
Serious question.... Why do people focus on Warner "failing" but no one says much at all about Kohli "failing". After all Warner outscored Kohli this series and was the 7th highest run scorer out scoring Kohli 5 to 1

Might be something to do with warner constantly failing on the subcontinent?? Kohli gets plenty of stick regarding his record in england. Don't think enough has been made of warner's failures.

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on March 27, 2017, 11:06:06 AM
Both have had a shocker... But surely Kohli's returns are even worse.. given his playing at "home".

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 27, 2017, 11:08:42 AM
@ppccopener  - what the hell is a 'lapprup'?  :D

sounds like a new shot  doesn't it?

haha

'he's  lappruped that for a single behind square'

 :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 27, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Both have had a shocker... But surely Kohli's returns are even worse.. given his playing at "home".

This...

There were good batsmen in this series who scored less... Not great batting wickets this series either
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on March 27, 2017, 11:36:48 AM
sounds like a new shot  doesn't it?

haha

'he's  lappruped that for a single behind square'

 :)

It sounds like a Danish footballer - like; Michael Lapprup
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: wasted_talent on March 27, 2017, 11:43:20 AM
This...

There were good batsmen in this series who scored less... Not great batting wickets this series either

Yes wickets haven't been great , but isn't that when the world class players stand out? Smith has stood out...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 27, 2017, 11:53:34 AM
True... Only 3 batsmen have stood out this series... Smith, Pujara and Rahul
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on March 27, 2017, 12:00:12 PM
True... Only 3 batsmen have stood out this series... Smith, Pujara and Rahul

Smith and Pujara in particular have been nothing short of brilliant. (that hurt as an Englishman)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 27, 2017, 04:09:32 PM
It's called playing your natural game.. Which is what we all should be doing

Test cricket is about more than that, hence why it's the best format. Sometimes you have to adapt and not just go gunnho and walk off going 'oh well, I'll slog a few in a road in a week or two and be world class again'

Warmer is similar for example, seems incapable or unwilling to adapt his game.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 27, 2017, 04:10:21 PM
True... Only 3 batsmen have stood out this series... Smith, Pujara and Rahul

Very impressed with smith, he's unorthodox but knows how to adapt his game from stubborn defence into attack
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 27, 2017, 04:12:04 PM
exactly what is needed to get the momentum back to Australia

whether he has a brain or not for the situation who knows

but counter attacking is dead right

gilchrist did this so so well in the past....

(to us mainly)

 :)

Difference was.. gilly was a freak of nature
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Big Mac on March 27, 2017, 04:17:35 PM
@ppccopener  - what the hell is a 'lapprup'?  :D

It's what Scooby Doo calls his portable computer.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: GDP1964 on March 27, 2017, 04:33:41 PM
David Warner stay as you are don't change a thing be it T20 50 Over or Test Cricket you got there by doing what you do .
Any current Test playing Nation would have you in their starting line up all day long there are just certain cricketers that only play one way and he is one of them
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 27, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
It's what Scooby Doo calls his portable computer.

Glad the forum has had a laugh at my expense. for anyone still wondering what I was supposed type

it was of course   ' larrup'

haha  :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: FattusCattus on March 27, 2017, 04:45:06 PM
Which you stole from me - that's my word, I own it.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 27, 2017, 05:39:55 PM
David Warner stay as you are don't change a thing be it T20 50 Over or Test Cricket you got there by doing what you do .
Any current Test playing Nation would have you in their starting line up all day long there are just certain cricketers that only play one way and he is one of them

Definitely wouldn't be first pick on the subcontinent
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on March 27, 2017, 06:23:18 PM
Re Warner , id still pick him if this tour was starting again tomorrow. ....but Khawaja must be feeling hard done by . Marsh was picked over him with 'horses for courses' being the justification,  but seeing how unsuccessful Warner has been on the subcontinent , Khawaja must be thinking 'I couldn't do any worse than Bull over here , surely'.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on March 27, 2017, 06:40:19 PM
Harsh on Warner - he hasn't had a great series, but its hardly the most epic of all fails, and he has a lot of credit in the bank!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Biggie Smalls on March 27, 2017, 09:29:58 PM
Harsh on Warner - he hasn't had a great series, but its hardly the most epic of all fails, and he has a lot of credit in the bank!

Not sure if you're referring to my comment as 'harsh' , or other peoples , but I said I would still pick him if the tour was starting tomorrow  ( ie , even after witnessing his recent failures) , for the exact reasons you mentioned . He does have a lot of accumulated credit . I still think there's no reason why he can't make runs on the next Indian tour . I also think what if the Indian selectors dropped Sehwag after some failures in Australia or England - it would have robbed them of him having great innings for them at a later stage . Basically , my point was only that I feel for Khawaja .
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on March 27, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
Still think this game is not over yet. If Aussies can get a couple of wickets early in the morning, be assured they will put all the pressure on the rest of the batsmen, day 4 pitch is not going to be easy either..
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: adb club cricketer on March 27, 2017, 09:58:32 PM
Most people dont like the way Smith looks while batting, but when he is in full form as in this 4th test, he looks quite good to me (and I think he came to full form only in this 4th test despite scoring in the previous tests). Just seems to be in such a good position where he can dispatch any ball full or short...3 centuries in indian tour where even Kohli couldnt get going on the pitches, double century in england, loads of runs in aus - the bloke scores everywhere... such class...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: csnew on March 28, 2017, 06:13:03 AM
India win the series 2-1 but how well have the aussies played! Definitely surprised me given there recent form on the subcontinent.
They'll probably be kicking themselves that they didn't win the second test when the pressure was on India
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: mad_abt_cricket on March 28, 2017, 06:26:48 AM
This Indian team has something different .
Aggressive selection for the last test ( going in with 5 bowlers), also outperforming Australia on a fast and bouncy pitch will give this team the confidence and belief to do well abroad in such conditions.
Fast and hostile spell from Umesh and Bhuvi yesterday was something rare to see from an Indian team.
Credit to Australia, the way they performed in this series but I think they must be disappointed in this match specially the conditions suited them the most. They missed the trick by not going in with 3 fast bowlers.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 28, 2017, 07:25:16 AM
Australia put up a good fight in third test match. However they somehow didn't carry that defensive attitude into the fourth test match. First innings they were off to a flyer in the first session. But they lost their way in second and third session of the day. Score pretty much revolved around Steve Smith. They did a good job of pulling India back after a strong start from Rahul, Pujara and Rahane, but they failed to keep Jadeja under check. Second innings was the real turning point of this test match - getting Smith cheaply. This is where the momentum swung in India's favor. Maxwell's counter-attack was very entertaining, given that he has a lot of experience playing at Dharmshala for KXIP, and that was pretty much the only solid score in Australia's second innings. A lead of 150+ might have troubled India, but it seems like this line up was ready to chase down even 200.

Overall scorecard - I would say Australia did well considering their performance in Sri Lanka. They learnt from their mistakes and fixed them up. Big blow for Australia was the departure of Mitchell Starc. He would have been lethal in Dharmshala. Lean patch for David Warner also seemed to bog them down. I am wondering why didn't they try out Usman instead Renshaw/Warner.

India did well to bounce back after the disaster first match to take a 2-1 lead and win.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 28, 2017, 07:32:56 AM
well as a neutral it's been good to watch, the Aussies confounded most of us by playing far far better than we(England!) did out there

good performances from India too without any contribution from Kholi.

had Australia had Starc for the whole tour it might have been different.

So we know India are very strong at home, for them to be considered the world best team they must win away-sorry India fans but get out of your comfort zone and start winning away test matches.

All the best teams over the years have won away, that's now the real test of the best team.

England showed in sub continent just how far we have to go and rightly most England fans now want to see them winning away-not just in home conditions

well done the kangeroos-that was a superb effort
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: InternalTraining on March 28, 2017, 01:05:20 PM
It seemed like a very contentious Test series, lot was said on-and-off the field. Aussies need to tone it down.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 28, 2017, 01:17:43 PM
It seemed like a very contentious Test series, lot was said on-and-off the field. Aussies need to tone it down.

Wheres the rolls eyes emoji when you need one?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 28, 2017, 01:36:42 PM
This series was very similar to the India-England series in 2012. On that occasion England's seamers created pressure and the spinners ripped India to bits. In this series Umesh Yadav was arguably India's secret hero. Bowled rapidly took 16 wickets and his control of the reverse swing was fantastic. Umesh's wicket tally will become a mere footnote in the archived but without him Australia would've won the series.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Alvaro on March 28, 2017, 04:59:50 PM
A composite of England's batting and the Aussie bowling would give India a game!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on March 28, 2017, 06:55:37 PM
A composite of England's batting and the Aussie bowling would give India a game!

A composite XI certainly would.  I had a play round with this, as there are lots of either/ors (the combination of spinners is particularly difficult) - for Indian conditions, based on what I've seen in the last two year cycle, I would go:

Cook
Warner
Root
Smith
Bairstow
Stokes
Handscomb
Starc
Cummins
Rashid/O'Keefe
Lyon

There are a couple of grey areas - as noted above, the second spinner is a difficult pick, and depends a lot on whether you want to block an end, in which case O'keefe, or attack - in which case Rashid gives third/fourth innings options.  A couragious alternative would be to pick neither, going instead for Hazlewood, and replace Handscomb with Moeen. 
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: CrickFreak on March 28, 2017, 07:00:52 PM
Was great test match to end a drama filled series... Shows it is hard to be a visitor anywhere. top 4 test teams are very strong at home and with more focus on winning, the home teams will always produce conditions suitable for home team in future.

England and Australia series have shown toss is irrelevant. Second innings is where visiting teams have lost, either failed to score or take wickets if India batted second.

Impressed by Rahul. No one talks much about it but he has held one end in every test inning against good aggressive bowling. Impressed by Yadav as well. He has matured and showing how much impact he can have. Cant wait to see India touring again. Self belief, confidence and spirit is really high right now.
Chiku failed miserably, sure he regrets a lot  :D
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: GoodLeave on March 28, 2017, 07:01:58 PM
A composite XI certainly would.  I had a play round with this, as there are lots of either/ors (the combination of spinners is particularly difficult) - for Indian conditions, based on what I've seen in the last two year cycle, I would go:

Cook
Warner
Root
Smith
Bairstow
Stokes
Handscomb
Starc
Cummins
Rashid/O'Keefe
Lyon

There are a couple of grey areas - as noted above, the second spinner is a difficult pick, and depends a lot on whether you want to block an end, in which case O'keefe, or attack - in which case Rashid gives third/fourth innings options.  A couragious alternative would be to pick neither, going instead for Hazlewood, and replace Handscomb with Moeen.

Sure. But swap Handscomb for Woakes. 3rd seamer.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 28, 2017, 07:08:15 PM
Using @Manormanic's side as a base

Cook
Warner Hameed (I know this may be a controversial selection)
Root
Smith*
Maxwell
Stokes
Bairstow+
Handscomb Woakes
Starc
Cummins Rashid/O'Keefe Lyon
Hazlewood
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on March 28, 2017, 07:08:36 PM
SOK
Sure. But swap Handscomb for Woakes. 3rd seamer.

No.  I reckon Cummins, Starc, Stokes is enough and if you did want a fourth seamer, as I noted, you would tend to go for Hazlewood and bolster the batting with Ali ahead of SOK or Rashid.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Manormanic on March 28, 2017, 07:09:50 PM
Using @Manormanic's side as a base

Cook
Warner Hameed (I know this may be a controversial selection)
Root
Smith*
Maxwell
Stokes
Bairstow+
Handscomb Woakes
Starc
Cummins Rashid/O'Keefe Lyon
Hazlewood

I can understand why you might consider the Big Show - but to bat him ahead of YJB and Stokes?  Really?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 28, 2017, 07:14:18 PM
I can understand why you might consider the Big Show - but to bat him ahead of YJB and Stokes?  Really?

More to do with Stoke's preference of batting at 6, and giving YJB an adequate rest before batting after keeping.
It was more the only place I could slot him in, rather than "he's better than those two"
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 28, 2017, 07:22:37 PM
Hameed
Renshaw
Cook
Smith
Root
bairstow
Woakes
Starc
Cummings
Hazelwood
Lyon

Nice solid start then powerful middle order and the bowlers have two wicket takers and two donkey work economy bowlers

Then the best spinner from the two teams

Bairstow is the only option as wk from the two teams
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: GoodLeave on March 28, 2017, 07:29:33 PM
SOK
No.  I reckon Cummins, Starc, Stokes is enough and if you did want a fourth seamer, as I noted, you would tend to go for Hazlewood and bolster the batting with Ali ahead of SOK or Rashid.

I see your point, but right now, I'd want my spinning options to be SOK & Lyon. Didnt see Stokes up there in the order though, so you're right, Woakes would be 4th seamer. Can't see the advantage of part time spin right now, everyone seems to be getting tonked.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Alvaro on March 28, 2017, 07:34:36 PM
Hameed
Cook
Smith
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Cummins
Starc
O'Keefe
Lyon
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 28, 2017, 07:43:29 PM
Woakes? You guys on the sauce? He was embarrassingly rubbish during the England series.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 28, 2017, 07:50:27 PM
Renshaw
Root
Smith (c)
Handscomb
Bairstow (w/k)
Stokes
Maxwell
Starc
Cummins
O'Keefe
Hazlewood

4 seamers, a pair of all rounders(Stokes and Maxwell) and an end blocking spinner. Right/left batting opening partnership.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: LateBloomer on March 28, 2017, 08:10:26 PM
Woakes? You guys on the sauce? He was embarrassingly rubbish during the England series.

Did you ever answer what your hometown club was?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 28, 2017, 08:19:20 PM
Did you ever answer what your hometown club was?

He has to decide if he's a South African boxer, an Aussie in England or just plain English first.... ;)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on March 28, 2017, 08:40:44 PM
Renshaw
Root
Smith (c)
Handscomb
Bairstow (w/k)
Stokes
Maxwell
Starc
Cummins
O'Keefe
Hazlewood

4 seamers, a pair of all rounders(Stokes and Maxwell) and an end blocking spinner. Right/left batting opening partnership.

This line up would have won only the Dharmashala test match. Lyon was key ...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sarg on March 29, 2017, 01:28:37 AM
Really enjoyed the series. Kudos to India who had the better spinners. Niggle between the teams was fascinating, but playing it out in the media was a low point. Kholi was a spud for starting that imo. The whole pitch doctoring debate was interesting too when Ranchi turned out to be the best pitch of the lot. End of the day Australia won 3/4 tosses and won one, drew one and lost the other. India won 1 toss and won that match. Playing in each others countries is not either team's strength. 

Unsure why Australia insisted on picking a all rounder in S Marsh or G Maxwell and not really use their bowling. Sure Marsh was injured in the second test and Maxwell is iffy as a spinner, but the theme was similar in Sri Lanka last season.

I really don't understand Smith's use of bowlers. All rounder is not a stopgap if a bowler breaks down and using them like this must impact on their confidence.

I feel that spot could have been more effectively used by a dedicated batsman used by Khawaja or Maxwell or even someone like Travis Head if they were primarily there to bat.

Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: northernboy1987 on March 29, 2017, 07:41:45 AM
Renshaw
Root
Smith (c)
Handscomb
Bairstow (w/k)
Stokes
Maxwell
Starc
Cummins
O'Keefe
Hazlewood

4 seamers, a pair of all rounders(Stokes and Maxwell) and an end blocking spinner. Right/left batting opening partnership.

How does Cook not get in? Averages over 50 with in India with 5 tons and hasn't he scored more runs there than any non Indian?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: ppccopener on March 29, 2017, 07:49:10 AM
How does Cook not get in? Averages over 50 with in India with 5 tons and hasn't he scored more runs there than any non Indian?

yeah well ten thousand test runs against the best opposition possible he's not getting in the side

that's how it goes

the real tragedy with these teams in where on earth is chris woakes?

 :)
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: smilley792 on March 29, 2017, 07:57:36 AM
Renshaw
Root
Smith (c)
Handscomb
Bairstow (w/k)
Stokes
Maxwell
Starc
Cummins
O'Keefe
Hazlewood

4 seamers, a pair of all rounders(Stokes and Maxwell) and an end blocking spinner. Right/left batting opening partnership.


Sheffield collegiate youngsters opening the batting!! That would have been nice to see for real on the international stage.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Alvaro on March 29, 2017, 08:27:00 AM
Interesting that Australia batsmen are being praised for their 'plans'. Here are the batting averages for the England and Australia batsmen from their respective India tours.

Root 491 @ 49.10
Ali 381 @ 42.33
Cook @ 36.90
Bairstow 352 @ 44
Stokes 345 @ 38.33
Hameed 219 @ 43.80
Jennings 167 @ 41.75
Buttler 154 @ 38.5

Smith 499 @ 71.28
Renshaw 232 @ 29
Handscomb 198 @ 28.28
Wade 196 @ 32.66
Warner 193 @ 24.12
Maxwell 159 @ 39.75
S Marsh 151 @ 18.87

Allowing for the fact that England played one game more, it simply highlights the difference Lyon and O'Keefe made to their team. As the old adage goes, batsmen set up matches, but bowlers win them.

Also, Warner is toot outside Australia and South Africa.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on March 29, 2017, 08:36:58 AM
Also allowing England played on very good batting wickets?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Alvaro on March 29, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
I think the pitches were similar across both series. Australia's bowling was fantastic, England's derisory.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: manno on March 29, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
Also allowing England played on very good batting wickets?

This. Comparing those two sets of averages....its apples and oranges. Youd need to look at the oppositions batting averages to have anything even remotely comparable.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Alvaro on March 29, 2017, 08:54:27 AM
This. Comparing those two sets of averages....its apples and oranges. Youd need to look at the oppositions batting averages to have anything even remotely comparable.

I don't think you can be that sure - the bowling really makes the difference and Australia are light years ahead of where England were.
 
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 31, 2017, 03:24:41 PM
How does Cook not get in? Averages over 50 with in India with 5 tons and hasn't he scored more runs there than any non Indian?
Can't win on here...pick a pair of yorkies and you're still not happy
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on March 31, 2017, 03:25:46 PM
Did you ever answer what your hometown club was?
I don't normally waste my time with the forums Josef Fritzl...
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Chmaiden on March 31, 2017, 04:36:06 PM
Warner needs to go back and work on technique....he's been worked out at the top and needs to get his confidence back.  He is quality but not up to pace at the moment
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Chmaiden on March 31, 2017, 04:36:46 PM
i like REnshaws attitude...nowhere near the finished article, but the toughest tour to start with and he didnt embarrass himself
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on April 01, 2017, 04:24:55 AM
Warner needs to go back and work on technique....he's been worked out at the top and needs to get his confidence back.  He is quality but not up to pace at the moment

Quite a funny statement this one... Like many before him he has had an average series in tough conditions. Far from being worked out... How many more series in his career will he play in India... HARDLY CAREER ENDING. He will be back smashing top class attacks around the park in no time
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on April 01, 2017, 07:49:44 AM
Quite a funny statement this one... Like many before him he has had an average series in tough conditions. Far from being worked out... How many more series in his career will he play in India... HARDLY CAREER ENDING. He will be back smashing top class attacks around the park in no time

He will... but only on roads.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on April 01, 2017, 08:16:58 AM
Time will tell I guess
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on April 01, 2017, 08:43:13 AM
Time will tell I guess
He will go back to aus and score runs. No ones even disagreeing with it lol
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: petehosk on April 01, 2017, 02:28:45 PM
It is worrying that even if England seemed to bat better or as well as the Aus batsmen in India (with obvious Smith exception) and yet Aus were so much more competitive due to their bowling! Some of the Aussie pace bowlers seem to be looking better. But in particular the spin options who take wickets - so frustrating not to be able to find a high quality spin bowler!  :( 
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on April 01, 2017, 02:58:33 PM
Warner is a just a dirty slogger on flat dead Australian pitches. He's clueless against swing or spin hence his pitiful returns in England, New Zealand, India and Sri Lanka. On dead Australian pitches he can merrily slog his cross bat shots. Only once in his career has he had anything noteworthy outside Australia, IIRC he scored 3 hundreds in South Africa 3 years ago. Again he was dropped around 8/9 times in that series.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on April 01, 2017, 03:10:51 PM
Warner is a just a dirty slogger on flat dead Australian pitches. He's clueless against swing or spin hence his pitiful returns in England, New Zealand, India and Sri Lanka. On dead Australian pitches he can merrily slog his cross bat shots. Only once in his career has he had anything noteworthy outside Australia, IIRC he scored 3 hundreds in South Africa 3 years ago. Again he was dropped around 8/9 times in that series.

As a slogger hater even I'll admit that he's a bit better than a buttler type slogger. However, he is a flat track bully who hnsaldy he plays a lot on so comes up with stats which make him appear better than he is.

It's the modern game though
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Felix Tito on April 01, 2017, 03:54:03 PM
Jos a slogger? Nah we're cultured down in the West Country!
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: LateBloomer on April 01, 2017, 05:58:24 PM
Jos a slogger? Nah we're cultured down in the West Country!

Which area of the Westcountry are you affiliated to Felix?
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on April 02, 2017, 05:11:46 AM
It is worrying that even if England seemed to bat better or as well as the Aus batsmen in India (with obvious Smith exception) and yet Aus were so much more competitive due to their bowling! Some of the Aussie pace bowlers seem to be looking better. But in particular the spin options who take wickets - so frustrating not to be able to find a high quality spin bowler!  :(

You still aren't taking into account the difference in pitches Pete... there was daylight between the quality of pitches between the 2 series. All you have to do is look at the run scoring list from both series. Only the top 4 batsmen in the Aus v Ind series scored over 200 runs. The top 14 batsmen in the Eng v ind series scored over 200 runs.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on April 02, 2017, 11:33:56 AM
You still aren't taking into account the difference in pitches Pete... there was daylight between the quality of pitches between the 2 series. All you have to do is look at the run scoring list from both series. Only the top 4 batsmen in the Aus v Ind series scored over 200 runs. The top 14 batsmen in the Eng v ind series scored over 200 runs.

I agree with @petehosk. Though pitches were certainly more favorable to batting in England tour, Aussies were more effective in mounting a challenge this time around. OKeefe was a mystery factor which worked out very well and gave Aussies a dream start. Lyon, an average spinner when compared to Shane Warne, demonstrated ruthless determination to keep pitching the ball in the cracks and exploit them. Such a level of determination or attack was missing from Rashid or Ansari. Effectiveness of aussie spinners made a big difference. Starc & Cummins were bowling quite fast and it was difficult to score off them. When both fast & spin bowlers were tightening the belt, India either collapsed or just sneaked through with just enough runs to defend the game. Honestly, Ranchi test, a batting friendly track, was the only place where India managed to score 400+. Rest of the test matches they struggled to cross 300.

England came in with a strong batting line up, but their bowling left a lot to be desired. Fast bowlers were ineffective - Indian batsman had no problems facing and scoring runs of them. Spinners were leaking runs - consistency and determination to exploit the cracks on surface - this was missing from Rashid & Ansari. Overall bowling unit wasn't firing in India and early departure of Anderson didn't help the cause.

Smith was the only consistent batsman - who India considered a challenge and were unable to break down until the final test match. On England's side - Root showed resistance but didn't create the fear factor - India were able to get him out consistently albeit after conceding some runs. Cook 2016 performance was more subdued when compared with his 2012 stats in India. Stokes, Hameed, Jennings etc played a great cameo once in a while but were consistently getting out as well. Once India managed to scalp - Cook, Root, Stokes .. they were on their way to knock of the rest very quickly. This didn't happen with Australia - since Smith was given them a hard time by scoring quick runs while rest of his team was falling apart, while aussie bowlers were quick to stranglehold the Indian top-order and effectively prevent them from scoring anything beyond double digits.

Bowling consistency, despite not having the best spinners in the world, ensured Aussie success against India in the sub-continent. England spinners who stared off well in Ahmedabad showed rapid disintegration of performance as the series proceeded further.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on April 02, 2017, 11:47:24 AM
I agree with @petehosk. Though pitches were certainly more favorable to batting in England tour, Aussies were more effective in mounting a challenge this time around. OKeefe was a mystery factor which worked out very well and gave Aussies a dream start. Lyon, an average spinner when compared to Shane Warne, demonstrated ruthless determination to keep pitching the ball in the cracks and exploit them. Such a level of determination or attack was missing from Rashid or Ansari. Effectiveness of aussie spinners made a big difference. Starc & Cummins were bowling quite fast and it was difficult to score off them. When both fast & spin bowlers were tightening the belt, India either collapsed or just sneaked through with just enough runs to defend the game. Honestly, Ranchi test, a batting friendly track, was the only place where India managed to score 400+. Rest of the test matches they struggled to cross 300.

England came in with a strong batting line up, but their bowling left a lot to be desired. Fast bowlers were ineffective - Indian batsman had no problems facing and scoring runs of them. Spinners were leaking runs - consistency and determination to exploit the cracks on surface - this was missing from Rashid & Ansari. Overall bowling unit wasn't firing in India and early departure of Anderson didn't help the cause.

Smith was the only consistent batsman - who India considered a challenge and were unable to break down until the final test match. On England's side - Root showed resistance but didn't create the fear factor - India were able to get him out consistently albeit after conceding some runs. Cook 2016 performance was more subdued when compared with his 2012 stats in India. Stokes, Hameed, Jennings etc played a great cameo once in a while but were consistently getting out as well. Once India managed to scalp - Cook, Root, Stokes .. they were on their way to knock of the rest very quickly. This didn't happen with Australia - since Smith was given them a hard time by scoring quick runs while rest of his team was falling apart, while aussie bowlers were quick to stranglehold the Indian top-order and effectively prevent them from scoring anything beyond double digits.

Bowling consistency, despite not having the best spinners in the world, ensured Aussie success against India in the sub-continent. England spinners who stared off well in Ahmedabad showed rapid disintegration of performance as the series proceeded further.

And the reason both teams scored many more runs? Not pitches? They were batsmen friendly not bowler friendly. Simple. England scored easily and India scored easily and of course the difference between the 2 sides came down to India's superior spin tandem in Ashwin and Jadeja

Rashid took more wickets than Lyon and O'Keefe and Ansari only bowled 43 overs compared to Rashids 230+ overs. And comparing Lyon to a Warne is ludicrous. Not even the same style of bowler let alone in the same era. Most spin bowlers are average when compared to Shane Warne.
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on April 02, 2017, 12:33:42 PM
And the reason both teams scored many more runs? Not pitches? They were batsmen friendly not bowler friendly. Simple. England scored easily and India scored easily and of course the difference between the 2 sides came down to India's superior spin tandem in Ashwin and Jadeja

Rashid took more wickets than Lyon and O'Keefe and Ansari only bowled 43 overs compared to Rashids 230+ overs. And comparing Lyon to a Warne is ludicrous. Not even the same style of bowler let alone in the same era. Most spin bowlers are average when compared to Shane Warne.

Agree no:4, the wickets England raced were easier to bat on by a long way. The fact stokes did well points to it as he's a flat track player not when it's tough generally. Root as you say did well but he again keeps getting out before winning games etc.

England didn't deserve to get anything from the tour, aus could have. Salsa though, aus did lack fight in the last game as they played some daft attacking shots
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: Number4 on April 02, 2017, 12:35:32 PM
Totally agree on AUS in the last game.. they beat themselves
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: sanredrose on April 02, 2017, 07:51:40 PM
And the reason both teams scored many more runs? Not pitches? They were batsmen friendly not bowler friendly. Simple. England scored easily and India scored easily and of course the difference between the 2 sides came down to India's superior spin tandem in Ashwin and Jadeja

I never said pitches were not batting friendly. Both teams scored but it finally came down to a bowling unit which was firing better than the other one.

Rashid took more wickets than Lyon and O'Keefe and Ansari only bowled 43 overs compared to Rashids 230+ overs. And comparing Lyon to a Warne is ludicrous. Not even the same style of bowler let alone in the same era. Most spin bowlers are average when compared to Shane Warne.

I think the stats which you have presented proves a point. Rashid bowled 230 plus overs in 5 test matches getting 23 wickets while conceding 800+ runs. Keefe & Lyon bowled around two-thirds of Rashid's share but they still seem to rate better given the runs conceded, wickets taken and they played only 4 test matches.

Rashid stat's in India tour

Player   Mat   Inns   Overs   Mdns   Runs   Wkts   BBI   BBM           Ave           Econ   SR   
AU Rashid   5   8   232.2   19   861   23   4/82   7/178   37.43   3.70   60.6

Okeefe & Lyon's stat's in India tour

Player         Mat   Inns   Overs   Mdns   Runs   Wkts   BBI   BBM           Ave           Econ   SR   
SNJ O'Keefe   4   7   179.1   36   442   19   6/35   12/70   23.26   2.46   56.5   
NM Lyon           4   7   166.2   19   480   19   8/50   8/132   25.26   2.88   52.5   
 
Lyon is not comparable to Shane Warne, but he came in Australia's lead spinner and he held his nerve to walk away with rich harvest of wickets while consistently posting challenges to Indian batsmen. Rashid didn't put up any difficulties for India, well i know you are going to argue this as boils down to the pitch .. so will concede then ... Pitches made the big difference between two tours, not the bowlers and certainly not their consistency. 
Title: Re: India vs Australia Test series
Post by: billyb on April 02, 2017, 10:30:52 PM
England's lack of quality spin is becoming a weakness. Would very much prefer Mason Crane being given some game time ahead of Rashid. We desperately need a genuinely good spinner. I don't follow the Ali/Rashid/Root argument- they simply haven't got the control of a genuine test match spinner. Yes, occasionally they'll pick up wickets- but even a faulty clock is right twice a day.