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Title: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on May 24, 2017, 09:30:43 AM
Any thoughts on this one starting today - it's rather crept up on me and seems a little low key.

I expect the Saffers to prove a pretty tough test, and it will be a job for us to keep their ferocious batting in check. I suspect it will suit us to chase down their totals.

Does our team pick itself, no likely surprises?

Perhaps a weakness for SA is their back up seam bowling?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 09:38:46 AM
ah. at last, an England thread....  :)

I could be in a minority here but make us second favourites
should be a run feast I reckon

any tickets left Monday? might be worth a trip to London taan

amla and ab de v to shine
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 24, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
england to win but it wont be easy, i think we have too much batting especially middle order, should be a run fest
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 24, 2017, 10:43:18 AM
Cue three whole months of De Kock jokes
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: petehosk on May 24, 2017, 12:35:54 PM
SA win toss and prefer to chase! They are No1 ODI at the moment so will be an interesting match!
I would love to see England do well but anything is possible with AB playing!
Entertaining it should be  ;)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 24, 2017, 12:38:50 PM
Plukett in good selection on that pitch but no room for Bairstow.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 12:39:41 PM
SA win toss and prefer to chase! They are No1 ODI at the moment so will be an interesting match!
I would love to see England do well but anything is possible with AB playing!
Entertaining it should be  ;)

don't underestimate Amla thou.  AB is out of this world no qurstion.

but you would have to go back quite a long way to see someone hit the ball so beautifully and destructively from a slight build and with a light bat.

Actually reminds me a bit of Azuruddin....
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: petehosk on May 24, 2017, 12:40:58 PM
I could be proved wrong but still not sure why England would play Ali and Rashid unless the wicket is expected to turn? Hey-ho!

And Amla is one of my fave batsman to watch so would never underestimate! De Kock is capable of magic too!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Kieron_BT on May 24, 2017, 12:41:32 PM
England 1 Alex Hales, 2 Jason Roy, 3 Joe Root, 4 Eoin Morgan, 5 Ben Stokes, 6 Jos Buttler, 7 Moeen Ali, 8 Chris Woakes, 9 Adil Rashid, 10 Liam Plunkett, 11 Mark Wood

South Africa 1 Quinton de Kock (wk), 2 Hashim Amla, 3 Faf du Plessis, 4 AB de Villiers (capt), 5 JP Duminy, 6 David Miller, 7 Wayne Parnell, 8 Chris Morris, 9 Andile Phehlukwayo, 10 Kagiso Rabada, 11 Imran Tahir

Jeez, they are two strong sides!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 12:45:45 PM
I could be proved wrong but still not sure why England would play Ali and Rashid unless the wicket is expected to turn? Hey-ho!

And Amla is one of my fave batsman to watch so would never underestimate! De Kock is capable of magic too!

de kock !!!!  don't start  !!!   :)

ali and Rashid is the plan we think....and no place for jonny B.......I think this line up is going to start Champions league games
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: petehosk on May 24, 2017, 12:46:10 PM
I still think that the following would be even stronger!
JJ Roy, AD Hales, JE Root, EJG Morgan*, Bairstow, BA Stokes, JC Buttler†, MM Ali (or Rashid), CR Woakes, LE Plunkett, MA Wood

Still gives you Wood, Plunkett, Stokes and Woakes for pace, then Ali and Root to spin it! And the batting looks even stronger now!
Just my opinion.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 24, 2017, 12:50:27 PM
No bairstow (no swearing please) sake
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 24, 2017, 12:53:35 PM
I could be proved wrong but still not sure why England would play Ali and Rashid unless the wicket is expected to turn? Hey-ho!

And Amla is one of my fave batsman to watch so would never underestimate! De Kock is capable of magic too!

To take the pace of the ball v De Knock
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 12:57:34 PM
No bairstow (no swearing please) sake

id have PH's team above. one spinner, Root to fill in. Bairstow plays from my armchair selection.

anyone who caught a radio interview the other day perhaps noticed , as I did, Bairstow not shy of an opinion and 'not the number 1 popular person in the dressing room'......now without 2 and 2 making 5 it did make me think slightly.  :)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 24, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
When you hear Holding this is the confirmation of the English summer.

RONS
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: calcurtis98 on May 24, 2017, 01:09:08 PM
Parnell gets Roy.

3 for 1
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 24, 2017, 01:14:40 PM
Parnell is a very good bowler in England if there's swing and his brain is switched on.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Felix Tito on May 24, 2017, 01:18:04 PM
Why exactly should Bairstow be an automatic selection? If he comes in at 5, that means Stokes and Buttler being wasted at 6 and 7. Bairstow's only realistic hope is Roy/Hales getting axed.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Felix Tito on May 24, 2017, 01:18:31 PM
Parnell is a very good bowler in England if there's swing and his brain is switched on.
Parnell still only 27  :o been around forever
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 01:29:48 PM
Why exactly should Bairstow be an automatic selection? If he comes in at 5, that means Stokes and Buttler being wasted at 6 and 7. Bairstow's only realistic hope is Roy/Hales getting axed.

well because he is one of the best 5 batsmen in the Country. Butler and stokes are not wasted down there. everyone goes for it in today team to try to hit 400

it's not 2007 Felix.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Felix Tito on May 24, 2017, 01:35:22 PM
well because he is one of the best 5 batsmen in the Country. Butler and stokes are not wasted down there. everyone goes for it in today team to try to hit 400

it's not 2007 Felix.
Buttler has the 3 fastest 100s ever for England therefore he should be guaranteed a top 6 berth. Stokes is the crown jewel. He's guaranteed a slot in the top 5. Bairstow's list A record is poor so hardly knocking the door down. If we needed another opener Sam Hain averages 55 and has more hundreds thab Bairstow anyway.

And no side picks only batsmen. You need role players. Only Roy, Hales and Morgan don't bowl in this side. If you axed Ali/Rashid that's another option reduced.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 24, 2017, 01:53:04 PM
Why exactly should Bairstow be an automatic selection? If he comes in at 5, that means Stokes and Buttler being wasted at 6 and 7. Bairstow's only realistic hope is Roy/Hales getting axed.

Because Roy is not in form and Johny is
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: edge on May 24, 2017, 01:53:52 PM
Buttler's a once in a generation player, tbh he's probably a bit low at 6!

@ppccopener , maybe Bairstow isn't the most popular player because he keeps having a moan in the media about not getting selected? I know I'd have been pretty unimpressed if I was an England player with the stuff he came out with when Billings got given the gloves Vs Ireland. In contrast, Moeen was pretty generous with praise for Rashid when dropped in the same games.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 02:15:41 PM
Buttler's a once in a generation player, tbh he's probably a bit low at 6!

@ppccopener , maybe Bairstow isn't the most popular player because he keeps having a moan in the media about not getting selected? I know I'd have been pretty unimpressed if I was an England player with the stuff he came out with when Billings got given the gloves Vs Ireland. In contrast, Moeen was pretty generous with praise for Rashid when dropped in the same games.

totally agree re butler, he is amazing to watch.

must admit must of missed the media with YJB moaning about not getting picked, hav'nt  seen anything of that.

it's a team game at the end of the day everyone has to fit into the ethic, I never had bairstow down as a tricky character thou-not in a million years.

but to get him into this team...im 100 per cent sure he should be in. who to leave out?  tricky......but this top level sport.

for me...Root bowls a bit, Ali misses out.

but if you take @Seniorplayer 's point and Roy is in no form at all...Root moves up to open, Bairstow slots in. Ali still plays in the side.

 :)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: LcWoodward on May 24, 2017, 02:39:59 PM
Surely you have Buttler in with the option of promotion when the situation is right though.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 24, 2017, 02:44:52 PM
Ho Joe you could have left that bouncer !
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: northernboy1987 on May 24, 2017, 02:45:02 PM
Oh Joseph.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 02:52:08 PM
Surely you have Buttler in with the option of promotion when the situation is right though.

For sure. If we happen to be behind the rate-I cant see that myself the way we play, but say we are....can't think of a better player to come in with 20 overs to go.

Even butler needs a bit of time to see the ball.  probably the only non power hitter we have in the top 7 is Root.........but he has many other qualities
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 24, 2017, 02:59:07 PM
What an awful review
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 24, 2017, 03:12:08 PM
 The match is a day nighter its a Beautiful day for seeing the ball the pitch is  a belter for batting yet both Captains before the start of play said they would have bowled first shows how confident both sides are in there batting line ups  ie
You score 300 and we will get them
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
we are a bit far from 300 at the moment. we need a big score today

they have some batting !
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: northernboy1987 on May 24, 2017, 03:18:57 PM
Interesting (?) stat brought up on Cricinfo: "We are now in the strange situation where Eoin Morgan has scored more ODI runs than anyone who has ever played for England, but he is not (yet) England's record ODI run scorer"
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 24, 2017, 03:25:19 PM
Interesting (?) stat brought up on Cricinfo: "We are now in the strange situation where Eoin Morgan has scored more ODI runs than anyone who has ever played for England, but he is not (yet) England's record ODI run scorer"

How many did he score for iIreland
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 24, 2017, 03:32:14 PM
744
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 03:47:43 PM
Bairstow needs to be in this side. He's not exactly a FIG JAM Kevin Pieterson

Heavens to Betsy.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on May 24, 2017, 03:52:23 PM
Bairstow has shown that he is disappointed at his treatment, which I think is entirely fair given that he has been the form player in England for fully the years now. The question shouldn't be "how do you fit him in" so much as "who has to make way".
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 24, 2017, 04:26:10 PM
BAT DEEP
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 04:28:09 PM
35 ball 50 for Mo just when we need it

right who said Moeen gets left out

Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 24, 2017, 04:40:51 PM
3rd ton for Morgan this year. Who wanted him removed again?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 24, 2017, 07:03:09 PM
3rd ton for Morgan this year. Who wanted him removed again?

Me but only because he refused to tour.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 24, 2017, 07:19:28 PM
What is the name of the bat/brand used by Duminy? Keeley?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 24, 2017, 07:21:53 PM
What is the name of the bat/brand used by Duminy? Keeley?

Beat me to it, to that end, I don't think I ever worked out what Faf uses?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 24, 2017, 07:37:05 PM
Beat me to it, to that end, I don't think I ever worked out what Faf uses?


http://www.ixusport.com/cricket_za/training-videos (http://www.ixusport.com/cricket_za/training-videos)

Faf - iXu .
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: No.4 on May 24, 2017, 07:46:23 PM
What is the name of the bat/brand used by Duminy? Keeley?


MK cricket.  http://mkhandcrafted.co.za (http://mkhandcrafted.co.za)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 24, 2017, 07:48:57 PM
[url]http://www.ixusport.com/cricket_za/training-videos[/url] ([url]http://www.ixusport.com/cricket_za/training-videos[/url])

Faf - iXu .


Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Fancied a good look at Kook Surge, then Morris does that.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 24, 2017, 07:52:39 PM
Protean lads have squandered their good start.

ABD finds himself all alone. Again!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 24, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
Protean lads have squandered their good start.

ABD finds himself all alone. Again!

Now he finds Plunket.

Where is Alex and his "England are going to win the Champions Trophy" Klaxon when you need him?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: DorsetDan on May 24, 2017, 07:58:40 PM
Big wicket! In other news, those shirts don't look as bad as they did in the first look thread :)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 24, 2017, 08:00:55 PM
Now he finds Plunket.

Where is Alex and his "England are going to win the Champions Trophy" Klaxon when you need him?

May as well just give us the trophy.

Moeen's bowled well today
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 24, 2017, 08:01:42 PM
I don't think that bat is working for AB; he should just send me that bat - looks like a Warner stickered up with MRF ...
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 24, 2017, 08:06:39 PM
I don't think that bat is working for AB; he should just send me that bat - looks like a Warner stickered up with MRF ...

What happened to the Oath?

Also, I thought Ben could catch?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 24, 2017, 08:11:07 PM
^ Oath is about not "buying" new bats. Gifts are welcome. :D
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 24, 2017, 08:14:33 PM
Poor shot selection  by the south Africans
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
Didn't look to be picking Rashid which makes run scoring very difficult. Good performance by us thou
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 24, 2017, 08:48:41 PM
Woakes robbed of the Man of the Match award!  ;)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 24, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
Woakes robbed of the Man of the Match award!  ;)

According to vic marks on the radio, woaksey hit 87 mph, wood 88...  :)

That's gas Chris....or whatever is is they say these days( can't beat 'serious wheels for me) and I'm not talking diamonds cut split rim alloys.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 25, 2017, 06:52:16 AM
Woakes robbed of the Man of the Match award!  ;)
Cam
Don't see how you can give someone man of the match who  gets taillenders out when the game is all but lost and  who gets a wicket bowling long hops 
Let the storm begin
SA need batters who can hang  in there with AB.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 25, 2017, 07:18:41 AM
Cam
Don't see how you can give someone man of the match who  gets taillenders out when the game is all but lost and  who gets a wicket bowling long hops 
Let the storm begin
SA need batters who can hang  in there with AB.

🎣

To quote Robson: "Fish On!"
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 25, 2017, 09:09:26 AM
Now he finds Plunket.

Where is Alex and his "England are going to win the Champions Trophy" Klaxon when you need him?

Me? And have faith!! They stand the best chance they have had for years and if Morgan is right and this is he best odi team he's played in, (which includes a World Cup winning squad) then we have a damn good chance!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 25, 2017, 09:12:29 AM
🎣

To quote Robson: "Fish On!"

Not fishing cricket watching !
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 25, 2017, 09:20:00 AM
Not fishing cricket watching !

as you were watching you will have seen Mr Woakes get that well renowned tailender Quinton De Kock out too, must be terrible and dropped instantly!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on May 25, 2017, 09:20:56 AM
A firing Morgan makes this England batting line up look so much more potent and secure! If he continues to get decent runs in the middle order then I think we have a very good chance of winning the tournament.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 25, 2017, 09:34:39 AM
A firing Morgan makes this England batting line up look so much more potent and secure! If he continues to get decent runs in the middle order then I think we have a very good chance of winning the tournament.

morgan is all or nothing but when it's 'all' he gets tons and they win games.

he was bigging up Ali after the game it's clear he is playing regardless. It was a superb knock by Mo thou yesterday

Im lucky enough to have tickets for the final and at the moment i'm expecting England to be there  :)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 25, 2017, 10:03:16 AM
Me? And have faith!! They stand the best chance they have had for years and if Morgan is right and this is he best odi team he's played in, (which includes a World Cup winning squad) then we have a damn good chance!

Ah, different Alex, but by all means, happy to hear your Klaxon!  :D
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 25, 2017, 10:11:36 AM
as you were watching you will have seen Mr Woakes get that well renowned tailender Quinton De Kock out too, must be terrible and dropped instantly!

The ball went so high in the air that wicket should have been credited solely to Butler  :D
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 25, 2017, 12:42:40 PM
Stat Attack:

England's 339 yesterday was our 20th score over 300 since the 2015 World Cup.

8 more than SA in 2nd.

Stat Courtesy of Sky Sports.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Mr_Orange on May 25, 2017, 01:42:12 PM
Stat Attack:

England's 339 yesterday was our 20th score over 300 since the 2015 World Cup.

8 more than SA in 2nd.

Stat Courtesy of Sky Sports.

Would be interesting to know how many 300+ scores were made before this. Wouldn't be surprised if it was about the same or not much more than 20!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Kieron_BT on May 25, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
Would be interesting to know how many 300+ scores were made before this. Wouldn't be surprised if it was about the same or not much more than 20!


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/highest_innings_totals.html?class=2;id=1;type=team (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/highest_innings_totals.html?class=2;id=1;type=team)

There might be a couple missing from here as it stops at a score of 302 but just taking this list there have been 31 scores of over 300 before the World Cup I think
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: csnew on May 25, 2017, 03:16:29 PM
Think playing on better pitches (roads) as opposed to the green tops Anderson use to ask for has also helped
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 25, 2017, 03:35:38 PM
Think playing on better pitches (roads) as opposed to the green tops Anderson use to ask for has also helped
it might well do, but it's only a couple of years ago we were miles behind how other countries played one day cricket as well. bayliss morgan have changed that, and the players of course.

it was years back I remember a WC jayasuriya gong for it from ball one

I think that was against us as well.  :)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 25, 2017, 04:19:44 PM
ok lads...we know Stokes playing means we can play Ali......and im not saying Ali only plays when he does but Morgan pretty much said it on interview

now...stokes looks to be out of the next match

we don't have a class all rounder (who didn't play) to replace him so where so the selectors go?

a bowler(ball), or jonny bairstow .....

now this could be interesting selection  :)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 25, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
ok lads...we know Stokes playing means we can play Ali......and im not saying Ali only plays when he does but Morgan pretty much said it on interview

now...stokes looks to be out of the next match

we don't have a class all rounder (who didn't play) to replace him so where so the selectors go?

a bowler(ball), or jonny bairstow .....

now this could be interesting selection  :)

Bairstow win the toss   bat first  and score  big runs take he game away from SA
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 25, 2017, 04:35:55 PM
as you were watching you will have seen Mr Woakes get that well renowned tailender Quinton De Kock out too, must be terrible and dropped instantly!

Your right Alex Mr Woakes did get one proper batsman out that said all the SA batters looked as if they were feeling the scoreboard pressure...
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 25, 2017, 04:37:34 PM
Bairstow win the toss   bat first  and score  big runs take he game away from SA

that's the way I would go this time. England in the past have looked to fill positions rather than players...gawd knows how many times we played an allrounder after Both, in truth none were up to scratch

Stokes is world class, if we don't have anyone close to him, it's got to be a specialist
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 25, 2017, 04:52:38 PM
It's not the England way though to bowl second  and pressure teams  with there fielding they prefer under Morgan to bat second and pace themselves in a run chase.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: edge on May 25, 2017, 05:22:56 PM
Stat Attack:

England's 339 yesterday was our 20th score over 300 since the 2015 World Cup.

8 more than SA in 2nd.

Stat Courtesy of Sky Sports.
Bloody selectors, can't believe they stick with this batting lineup... ;)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 27, 2017, 09:36:38 AM
Forget that @edge Woaksey out injured !!! What a cataclysmic disaster


Right that that I'm not even watching without Chris!!


Jake ball in, he's got wheels!!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 27, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
SA win the toss and Bowl first again.

3 changes for SA - Maharaj, Behardien & Pretorious in, Parnell, Tahir & Duminy out

1 change for ENG - Ball in, Woakes out (Injured, 3-4 days)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: edge on May 27, 2017, 09:43:06 AM
Forget that @edge Woaksey out injured !!! What a cataclysmic disaster


Right that that I'm not even watching without Chris!!


Jake ball in, he's got wheels!!
Bloody IPL! Woakes is a lot more crucial to the England side than he gets credit for, good test for Ball against SA though.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 27, 2017, 10:25:49 AM
Rabada really is excellent
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: csnew on May 27, 2017, 10:33:06 AM
Roy's woefully out of form. Surely time to drop him
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 27, 2017, 10:40:55 AM
Errrrrrr, no
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: northernboy1987 on May 27, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
I'm following the text commentary at work on the BBC website and I swear some of the people that text in have never watched cricket before in their lives......

"I simply don't understand why Root's position is never questioned. He is far too slow for one day cricket. Every time. His strike rate never gets above 80 and he puts pressure on everyone else. Bairstow is a far superior one day player.
Richard in London"

Have a word with yourself Richard in London.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 27, 2017, 01:00:53 PM
Lucky to be in there to an extent, but Stokes really is something else. Hope to see a 300+ score here
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 27, 2017, 01:13:52 PM
Not sure if Ben has made a deal with Satan or what, but he's made SA pay!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 27, 2017, 04:27:39 PM
Benji needs to take care of his left knee. Champions Trophy is a week away and England can't afford injured players. England are the favorites to win the Champions Trophy but also don't want peak too early either.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 27, 2017, 05:15:54 PM
Take out SA's top guys and they have nothing left in their batting.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 27, 2017, 05:52:24 PM
Mark Wood you absolute beauty, although that was a classic SA choke
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 27, 2017, 05:55:39 PM
^ SA just cannot close the deal. Sheesh.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: csnew on May 28, 2017, 07:24:06 AM
Pre tournament practice for SA - get that choking out of the way
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 28, 2017, 08:33:22 AM
Pre tournament practice for SA - get that choking out of the way

Not the biggest choke of the day.

93 runs of 41 balls last wicket partnership from Pakistan against Bangladesh at Edgbaston to win the game.

#BatDeep

Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ScottParko on May 28, 2017, 08:50:35 AM
Made in Durham.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 28, 2017, 01:50:04 PM
England need to be careful about Benji's knee and peaking too early.

It is probably better for SA to lose a few to better asses their weaknesses. They need a higher strike-rate replacement for Duminy/Ferhan.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 28, 2017, 04:14:37 PM
What a fabulous last over from Wood brilliant.
England now have a reliable death bowler.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 28, 2017, 04:27:46 PM
^ It was great!

England got amazing talent!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 28, 2017, 04:33:41 PM
 Rather than play in the third ODI With the series won England let  Stokes rest  his knee till Bangladesh on Thursday
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Sam on May 28, 2017, 05:17:01 PM
Dawson, Finn, Roland-Jones called into the squad. Must mean everything now got more than just Woakes and Stokes as injury concerns? Presumably one of the spinners at least for them to call Dawson up (who's just finished a championship game today on day 3).
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 28, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
Dawson, Finn, Roland-Jones called into the squad. Must mean everything now got more than just Woakes and Stokes as injury concerns? Presumably one of the spinners at least for them to call Dawson up (who's just finished a championship game today on day 3).

Confirmed.

Stokes (Knee)
Woakes (Thigh)
Ali (Groin)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 28, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
I wonder if YJB will play. Ah.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 29, 2017, 09:23:26 AM
I wonder if YJB will play. Ah.

I would say he's sure to
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 29, 2017, 09:28:22 AM
Confirmed.

Stokes (Knee)
Woakes (Thigh)
Ali (Groin)

Stokes is irreplaceable and so is an inform Ali l hope they are okay v Bangladesh on Thursday.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 29, 2017, 10:04:08 AM
Sigh
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: csnew on May 29, 2017, 10:04:37 AM
Oh dear mr Roy. His woeful form continues
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 29, 2017, 10:08:46 AM
Do we have to have that awkward conversation about Roy?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: fzrkev on May 29, 2017, 10:10:58 AM
Oh Joe! Deary me.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 29, 2017, 10:13:45 AM
What awkward conversation? They're not going to drop him just because he's had a series where he hasn't done anything.

On the other hand this sets up for a nice YJB double ton, great prep for carrying the drinks
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: csnew on May 29, 2017, 10:21:31 AM
3 down. Over to you bairstow. Perfect chance for him
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on May 29, 2017, 10:22:50 AM
4down

Can we says this was always gonna happen at some point with our opener constantly failing??
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 29, 2017, 10:25:55 AM
4 down wheels well off now. Suspect bairstow at 15 no after we are all out For 50 could have a right go in the dressing room

'My one chance and you muppets can't bat'

Haha  :)

As for Roy....out of from and yes @GoodLeave it's so close to the start of the proper matches but carrying a guy in the tournament won't work. It's tough he's a terrific player but if your out of form your out quick. Hard game it has always been.

Root up to open for me, bairstow slots in.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 29, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
5 down !! Glad I didn't go to lords today.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: roco on May 29, 2017, 10:27:44 AM
Surely just whacking is not the way here

As internationals should England not be able to rebuild?

Just throwing it away
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: csnew on May 29, 2017, 10:29:31 AM
This is really poor cricket. Clearly not a 350 day, use your brain and give the bowlers the first 15 overs
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 29, 2017, 10:30:43 AM
5 down !! Glad I didn't go to lords today.

Feel disappointed for the ones that did.
You expect better at the home of cricket.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: roco on May 29, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
The block has gone out of the game

First ball 5 down I know let's try a big drive
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 29, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
I'm going to have to find something else to do for the afternoon aren't I?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 29, 2017, 10:38:49 AM
4 down wheels well off now. Suspect bairstow at 15 no after we are all out For 50 could have a right go in the dressing room

'My one chance and you muppets can't bat'

Haha  :)

As for Roy....out of from and yes @GoodLeave it's so close to the start of the proper matches but carrying a guy in the tournament won't work. It's tough he's a terrific player but if your out of form your out quick. Hard game it has always been.

Root up to open for me, bairstow slots in.

I agree, on his day he's brilliant. But now 10 innings without a 50? Do we have another ODi opener, or do we have a reshuffle and move Root up?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 29, 2017, 10:42:53 AM
Root to open stick with Bairstow
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 29, 2017, 10:53:18 AM
I agree, on his day he's brilliant. But now 10 innings without a 50? Do we have another ODi opener, or do we have a reshuffle and move Root up?

Would very much doubt England want to make any changes now with a game on Thursday against Bangladesh....

End of the day your best batsmen are your best, when it's flat most score runs, what happens when it's bowler friendly? Yes not many wickets are these days but this is England and there are some quality bowlers around.

A lot of our guys have no feet movement, our very best batsman do have and that's the difference in ability.

Bairstow for me, I've watched him a lot and I think he is one of the best 6 in the Country now.

Root to move up....we can still play Ali and Rashid in that team plus the seamers.

Roy has brilliant ability and it's a tough call this late, but it's a cruel game with no runs behind you.he should be left out for the first game.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Kulli on May 29, 2017, 11:16:10 AM
Surely just whacking is not the way here

As internationals should England not be able to rebuild?

Just throwing it away

Maybe they think there is no point in making 200, that they might as well make 150 aiming for 250+, makes for a pretty dull game if they do though.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 29, 2017, 11:23:29 AM
Root to open stick with Bairstow

This is the way I'm going.

Hales
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Willey
Rashid
Plunkett

Swap Willey for Ball (Bat 11) if you feel short on bowling.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Kulli on May 29, 2017, 11:24:29 AM
No Wood?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: GoodLeave on May 29, 2017, 11:26:04 AM
No Wood?

Gah!

Willey out, Wood in.

Guess I'll never be a selector.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: roco on May 29, 2017, 11:38:18 AM
Maybe they think there is no point in making 200, that they might as well make 150 aiming for 250+, makes for a pretty dull game if they do though.

At least give yourself a chance getting 200 if early wickets

Just brainless saying oh well we've lost anyway so just swing and we'll see what we get

Yjb and Willey were at least fighting

Yjb showing why he has to be in somehow
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 29, 2017, 11:41:12 AM
We are rebuilding a bit and scoring runs, who knows 200 might give us a chance on this wicket.

Bairstow is batting with brains and technique, Wiley did well too.

Roland Jones can bat I think
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Northern monkey on May 29, 2017, 12:07:16 PM
Roland jones bat looks an absolute stunner
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 29, 2017, 12:18:00 PM
. There was no need for Johnny  to come down the track.
But at least  he played  himself  in rather than try and belt it from the off.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 29, 2017, 12:28:01 PM
This is the way I'm going.

Hales
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Willey
Rashid
Plunkett

Swap Willey for Ball (Bat 11) if you feel short on bowling.

You need three seamers. Wouldn't  leave Wood out
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: LEACHY48 on May 29, 2017, 12:40:41 PM
Mindless batting all round with the exception of YJB, Roland Jones and Willey but even then the two that were dismissed did so in poor fashion - for only three double figures scores to be made in an international game is appalling. Only 2 maybe 3 of the top 7 were out to good balls. Ridiculous cricket.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 29, 2017, 01:12:10 PM
Mindless batting all round with the exception of YJB, Roland Jones and Willey but even then the two that were dismissed did so in poor fashion - for only three double figures scores to be made in an international game is appalling. Only 2 maybe 3 of the top 7 were out to good balls. Ridiculous cricket.

Even though YJB did batted well can't see England leaving Roy out to bring him in


Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: jamielsn15 on May 29, 2017, 01:23:44 PM
I see the new NB range is getting an outing on Twitter. Havent got Sky so not sure if its being used??

https://twitter.com/NBCricket/status/869126599593132035
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 29, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Is it just me, or does Quinton De Kock always look like he's about to cry?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 29, 2017, 01:31:17 PM
Is it just me, or does Quinton De Kock always look like he's about to cry?

YES!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Felix Tito on May 29, 2017, 02:31:41 PM
Jake Ball and Toby Roland-Jones are nothing more than county trundlers. England would've been better off having a look at the Overton twins.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 29, 2017, 02:35:18 PM
Jake Ball and Toby Roland-Jones are nothing more than county trundlers. England would've been better off having a look at the Overton twins.

Cheers Gerry
Roland-Jones snares Amla and Ball has just cleaned up De Kock.

Any more expert opinions you'd like to share?  ;)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: six and out on May 29, 2017, 03:24:00 PM
Mindless batting all round with the exception of YJB, Roland Jones and Willey but even then the two that were dismissed did so in poor fashion - for only three double figures scores to be made in an international game is appalling. Only 2 maybe 3 of the top 7 were out to good balls. Ridiculous cricket.

You say ridiculous cricket but this is way England play now. Morgan has said all along that they will go hard at it and if the get rolled for 100 then so be it.

They would rather see that than boring cricket. This is one of the main reasons England have scored so many runs in ODI's

Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on May 29, 2017, 05:38:21 PM
I saw the England dismissals and the lines SA bowled were just perfect! Imagine this caliber of bowling showing up in the Champions Trophy and the world's "T-20" batsmen will have short stays at the crease!

Bring back that bowling, lads!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 29, 2017, 08:58:47 PM
'Today on the show, we meet a man who just can't get a game'

(http://i.imgur.com/8BVIvDV.jpg)
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: northernboy1987 on May 30, 2017, 07:23:13 AM
"You think the reason you can't get a game in white ball cricket is not down to your ability but down to your flaming ginger hair, come back after the break when we put Andrew Strauss and Angus Fraser through a lie detector test"
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on May 30, 2017, 07:41:09 AM
interesting post match interviews I thought, Morgan saying Roy stays in the side as he has scored a lot of runs in the past. Bayliss wouldn't commit that far.

it's a tough call this one, Roy has potential to change a game, Bairstow...well.....he's just one of the best in the Country, test and one day cricket.

We are going to play two spinners it seems so there's no real spaces available.

a few years ago we were rubbish at one day cricket, now we cant get everyone in the team who should be.

I would leave Roy out of Thursday, it' tough but he's not in form and Bairstow has been for a long time.

Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 30, 2017, 07:49:05 AM
The thing is if root wants to stay at three Bairstow could open  but cant see them dropping Roy
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Slackie on May 30, 2017, 08:26:16 AM
Rashid / Ali to go and Bairstow in, possible Ali out - although a handy bowler and a very good bat. Only other alternative could be to get rid of Buttler for Barstow but then again, the question of potential comes to the fore. Buttler shows flashes of brilliance.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on May 30, 2017, 08:26:29 AM
Nor can I - the ginger leprechaun as good as said "Jason is my mate and Jonny isn't, so there". Its the most obviously wrong call, but I cannot see them making the change this late in the piece.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Slackie on May 30, 2017, 08:29:02 AM
Hales and Roy have opened for a while - why disrupt this partnership before a major tournament? Who would open with Hales if Roy was to go?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: northernboy1987 on May 30, 2017, 08:31:31 AM
The only option imo is a direct swap Roy for Bairstow as opener, I don't think they will do it (and I'm not 100% sure they should either) but that's (in my opinion) the only way to get YJB into the side right now, all this talk of dropping Ali is rubbish he's just had a good couple of all round performances against the no1 ODI side why would you drop him?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: petehosk on May 30, 2017, 08:52:41 AM
I am sorry, but I can't see that the wickets will be that dry that they will merit 2 spin bowlers plus Root who can pass as a third spinner if called for!
And changing the opening pair is not really viable at this late stage!! So it would still be (assuming they are fit!)

Roy
Hales
Root
Morgan
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ali/Rashid
Woakes
Plunkett
Wood

Obviously change 4-6 round however, but I still think that would be the strongest team.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 30, 2017, 09:42:21 AM
England have played two spinners at home in 14 of 18 ODIs played since the Australia series in 2015. Only two of the four single spinner games were live matches.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 30, 2017, 09:53:40 AM
Hales and Roy have opened for a while - why disrupt this partnership before a major tournament? Who would open with Hales if Roy was to go?

Because Roy is out of form and Johnnys in form Root could open and Johnnys as done the  opening job for his county.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 30, 2017, 10:01:15 AM
A couple of games in a tinpot county competition is just like opening in a world tournament....

Good players come good.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Kulli on May 30, 2017, 10:20:09 AM
For all YJB's form and Roy's stinky run. there's still very little between their ODI averages and Roy has likely opened for all the games he's played. I like JB but don't really see that there's a spot for him in the side at the moment.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 30, 2017, 10:26:14 AM
A couple of games in a tinpot county competition is just like opening in a world tournament....

Good players come good.

Bairstow  has already come good and has been good the last eighteen months...
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 30, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
For all YJB's form and Roy's stinky run. there's still very little between their ODI averages and Roy has likely opened for all the games he's played. I like JB but don't really see that there's a spot for him in the side at the moment.

Averages don't count for much  when your out of form pick the inform guys and your more likely to win.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 30, 2017, 10:30:11 AM
Not in ODIs
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 30, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
Averages don't count for much  when your out of form pick the inform guys and your more likely to win.

You pick players with experience and hope they come good. If you look at teams that win big competitions, they are won with players with an average of 80 caps or so. The basics of selection should be identify players and stick with thme and they repay your trust. History is littered with people who couldn't buy a run suddenly clicking and winning games.

Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 30, 2017, 10:52:18 AM
For what it's worth I think Roy has earned the right to open, he's been in that gig for nearly two years now and for the most part it works. Form is temporary, class permanent etc.

Not sure about playing Stokes solely as a batsman as has been mentioned, mind.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Kulli on May 30, 2017, 11:03:43 AM
Averages don't count for much  when your out of form pick the inform guys and your more likely to win.

You have to maintain a degree of consistency of selection though, if everyone feels they're playing for their place every innings you won't see the team scoring 300 very often I'd bet.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 30, 2017, 11:12:16 AM
You pick players with experience and hope they come good. If you look at teams that win big competitions, they are won with players with an average of 80 caps or so. The basics of selection should be identify players and stick with thme and they repay your trust. History is littered with people who couldn't buy a run suddenly clicking and winning games.

There also comes a time  in most players careers regardless of how many caps  when they keep failing to Say your out of form go back to your county  score  runs and we will have you back.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 30, 2017, 11:30:04 AM
Fine, but not when you've been planning for a world tournament for two years. It's not three games against the West Indies. No other England batter plays like Roy at the top of the order. Would you really drop a player with a SR of 102 after 40 games?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on May 30, 2017, 11:47:18 AM
Fine, but not when you've been planning for a world tournament for two years. It's not three games against the West Indies. No other England batter plays like Roy at the top of the order. Would you really drop a player with a SR of 102 after 40 games?

Playing devils advocate, you are right - noone else scores singles figures every bloody game!
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 30, 2017, 11:56:28 AM
Indeed, five iffy ODIs in a row isn't great, but I'm confident it will come.

And for the record, I think Bairstow is a purer, better batsman, but not the type of player to replace Roy at this stage.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: richthekeeper on May 30, 2017, 12:06:44 PM
did anyone else go yesterday? it was a dubious sort of honour to watch such a capitulation, but I can't believe the absolute nonsense that has been spouted about the collapse. From Broad saying "we haven't done a lot wrong" to various pundits talking about how well the Saffers bowled, am I alone in thinking it was just a case of poor shot after terrible shot?

I'm all for England playing an aggressive form of cricket but when you arrive at the crease at 20-5 you might consider being a bit more circumspect. No, just me?
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: rickjames on May 30, 2017, 12:32:27 PM
did anyone else go yesterday? it was a dubious sort of honour to watch such a capitulation, but I can't believe the absolute nonsense that has been spouted about the collapse. From Broad saying "we haven't done a lot wrong" to various pundits talking about how well the Saffers bowled, am I alone in thinking it was just a case of poor shot after terrible shot?

I'm all for England playing an aggressive form of cricket but when you arrive at the crease at 20-5 you might consider being a bit more circumspect. No, just me?

However much you paid, you were robbed of a drivel induced day
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 30, 2017, 01:03:48 PM
did anyone else go yesterday? it was a dubious sort of honour to watch such a capitulation, but I can't believe the absolute nonsense that has been spouted about the collapse. From Broad saying "we haven't done a lot wrong" to various pundits talking about how well the Saffers bowled, am I alone in thinking it was just a case of poor shot after terrible shot?

I'm all for England playing an aggressive form of cricket but when you arrive at the crease at 20-5 you might consider being a bit more circumspect. No, just me?

Agree it's alright saying  we want players who go hard but to keep bringing the slips into play trying to drive the pitched up ball  on or just outside off stump  is poor cricket.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 30, 2017, 01:11:12 PM
Fine, but not when you've been planning for a world tournament for two years. It's not three games against the West Indies. No other England batter plays like Roy at the top of the order. Would you really drop a player with a SR of 102 after 40 games?

Well yes if he's out of form because they don't win you matches and you have an inform player on the sidelines
Anyway here's hoping Roy comes good as he's certain to play.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 30, 2017, 01:15:31 PM

That's why it's a team game, not everyone is in form at the same time.

England are brilliant at changing thinks at the last minute in limited overs cricket... And it's always gone BRILLIANTLY
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: LEACHY48 on May 30, 2017, 01:19:17 PM
You say ridiculous cricket but this is way England play now. Morgan has said all along that they will go hard at it and if the get rolled for 100 then so be it.

They would rather see that than boring cricket. This is one of the main reasons England have scored so many runs in ODI's

There's going hard and 'power hitting',  having attacking intent and playing your shots and then there's just being out and out silly. As a pro they should know that they cannot go in when we are 4 down and play a languishing drive in their first over having no real idea what the all is doing or the pitch for that matter.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 30, 2017, 01:30:58 PM
That's why it's a team game, not everyone is in form at the same time.

England are brilliant at changing thinks at the last minute in limited overs cricket... And it's always gone BRILLIANTLY

Yesterday wasn't
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on May 30, 2017, 01:35:06 PM
It was a dead rubber.
They did bloody well to win the match on Saturday. No one was carping about all-out aggression in that game.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: richthekeeper on May 30, 2017, 02:14:01 PM
There's going hard and 'power hitting',  having attacking intent and playing your shots and then there's just being out and out silly. As a pro they should know that they cannot go in when we are 4 down and play a languishing drive in their first over having no real idea what the all is doing or the pitch for that matter.

or worse, watching all your mates snick off and thinking you can play the same shot and get away with it?!  :D
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: edge on May 30, 2017, 04:08:05 PM
To be fair, Morgan's whole 'shoot the lights out' mentality is what's got England scoring 320+ regularly, but will inevitably lead at least occasionally to them getting shot out for not many. Easy to moan when it does happen, but without the whole batting lineup going aggressive in a big way they wouldn't be scoring as many as they usually do. Be happy about the big scores and suck it up when it goes wrong is their attitude I think, happy to take that point of view as a fan also! Otherwise bring Trott and Cook back, we'll never get bowled out for 150 but we won't be making 350+ too often either.
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: LEACHY48 on May 30, 2017, 04:15:52 PM
Yeah fair enough we score runs regularly but the key is consistency - you don't see the New Zealand rugby side being like we play attacking rugby so it's okay if we lose 1 in 10 games - absolutely not. At a professional level there still has to be some form of sense. Nothing should be robotic. It's not like 'we've been given this game plan we must stick to it religiously' they are all capable of thinking "damn our attacking cricket is backfiring let's reign it in a touch and rebuild and then go again". I just think if we are intent on becoming the best side in the world then "accepting the risk of getting rolled" is not a good enough mentality
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: dannyhall04 on June 01, 2017, 09:43:17 PM
Willey out, Wood in.

Fnar.  :D :D
Title: Re: ENG V SA ODI series
Post by: SL Bada on June 05, 2017, 06:55:19 AM
Looking forward to the Test series. Should be good. No Steyn is a shame though.