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Equipment => Bats => Bat Care => Topic started by: teamdragon46 on June 23, 2017, 08:24:51 PM

Title: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: teamdragon46 on June 23, 2017, 08:24:51 PM
While knocking in the edges, some cracks have formed on the inside edge. I tried to use super glue to fix them, but when continuing to knock the edges in it got worse and worse. Any tips on how to fix this? The inside edge still needs some knocking in. I've attached the pictures below.


http://imgur.com/a/EHIkz (http://imgur.com/a/EHIkz)
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: LEACHY48 on June 23, 2017, 08:29:40 PM
I'd be sending that straight back - however I'd also question your oiling and knocking, as it seems strange for it to have cracked underneath the edge of your hitting on top of the 45 degree angle on the edge as you should be.
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on June 23, 2017, 08:44:29 PM
I'm sure there was another thread about how excellent CA bats are recently... :-[
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: brokenbat on June 23, 2017, 08:45:52 PM
While knocking in the edges, some cracks have formed on the inside edge. I tried to use super glue to fix them, but when continuing to knock the edges in it got worse and worse. Any tips on how to fix this? The inside edge still needs some knocking in. I've attached the pictures below.


[url]http://imgur.com/a/EHIkz[/url] ([url]http://imgur.com/a/EHIkz[/url])


i think this happened cuz you didn't ease your way into it (maybe "rolling" the edge prior to knocking it would have been better?). that said.. what will happen now, is that crack will spread a bit more along the length of the blade. this is NOT a big deal.. i'd say keep knocking it, let the cracks spread a bit, and THEN shove some glue in there and clamp it (using tape) overnight.
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: brokenbat on June 23, 2017, 08:46:26 PM
also... you oiled it, right?
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: teamdragon46 on June 23, 2017, 08:49:21 PM
also... you oiled it, right?

Yes, I both oiled it and rolled the edges with the handle of the mallet. I've knocked in a CA 3000 before, and the edges didnt crack like this, however maybe this wood is softer and i went too hard too quickly? Luckily the cracks are on the inside edge also.
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: teamdragon46 on June 23, 2017, 08:50:26 PM
Also, what do you mean by taping it overnight?
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: KW9221 on June 23, 2017, 08:59:01 PM
I'm sure there was another thread about how excellent CA bats are recently... :-[
It wouldn't jump to any conclusion about bat Quality yet. You need to question the knocking in technique.

What kind of mallet were you using? How hard were you hitting the edges? What angle were you holding it?
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: Gurujames on June 23, 2017, 09:02:58 PM
Also, what do you mean by taping it overnight?
It means apply PVA glue into the crack and use packing tape to hold the two sides together while it sets overnight.
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on June 23, 2017, 09:06:59 PM
It wouldn't jump to any conclusion about bat Quality yet. You need to question the knocking in technique.


Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet, does it...
My comment was, for those who were wondering, tongue in cheek
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: teamdragon46 on June 23, 2017, 09:11:51 PM
It wouldn't jump to any conclusion about bat Quality yet. You need to question the knocking in technique.

What kind of mallet were you using? How hard were you hitting the edges? What angle were you holding it?


http://www.kookaburra.biz/~/media/images/products/full/cricket/extras/caa116-cricket-bat-mallet.png?h=1024&la=en-AU&w=1024 (http://www.kookaburra.biz/~/media/images/products/full/cricket/extras/caa116-cricket-bat-mallet.png?h=1024&la=en-AU&w=1024)

The mallet I was using was just like that, I was hitting the edges at a 30-45 degree angle, rouding them first with the handle then progressively getting harder. Unfortunately for me, I think i progressed too fast and that led to the cracks.
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: jd163 on June 23, 2017, 09:28:17 PM
Small amount of glue can fix it. Happened to few of my bats and it is a natural product so no one knows how durable it can be.
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: teamdragon46 on June 23, 2017, 09:38:53 PM
Small amount of glue can fix it. Happened to few of my bats and it is a natural product so no one knows how durable it can be.

Did the glue stop the crack from spreading or did the crack spread regardless?
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: InternalTraining on June 24, 2017, 12:50:07 AM
While knocking in the edges, some cracks have formed on the inside edge. I tried to use super glue to fix them, but when continuing to knock the edges in it got worse and worse. Any tips on how to fix this? The inside edge still needs some knocking in. I've attached the pictures below.


[url]http://imgur.com/a/EHIkz[/url] ([url]http://imgur.com/a/EHIkz[/url])


Your first post to the forum is about a cracked edge of a CA, you are off to a good start. :D

I have similar cracks on one of my bats. I glued with super glue, sanded it, and used the bat. :) No issues really. After a while, I applied a 2x4 piece of  anti-scuff sheet to one of the edges to just keep the crack in check.

Edges and toes can be tricky. I made a big fuss about certain (popular) bat's toe cracking while knocking recently. :D

Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: Hoover on June 24, 2017, 01:00:00 AM
I'd be sending that straight back - however I'd also question your oiling and knocking, as it seems strange for it to have cracked underneath the edge of your hitting on top of the 45 degree angle on the edge as you should be.
Send it back ?
How is this the manufacturers' fault ?
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: bostoncricketer on June 24, 2017, 04:03:48 AM
Don't understand why people rush to blame the manufacturer or the person knocking in when something like this happens. Why can't it be just bad luck combined with the fact that its just wood and can split when hit?

No amount of glue will prevent further splitting when a ball hits it if its left unprotected. Only option in my view is to stop knocking in and cover it with a 3-4 layers of edge tape and forget about it.
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: Biggie Smalls on June 24, 2017, 08:35:37 AM
I noticed your bat has ca burnt in stampings . They haven't been used on ca bats for about 2 seasons ( maybe more like a year and half , give or take)... point is - this bat is old stock . A bit more oil than normal ( who knows where its been sitting all this time /how much it has dried out ) , boning the edges , sanding the edges slightly,  then gentle knocking for an hour or more( before commencing 'normal' knocking in )  would have been the way i approached it .

Also , recently , i was preparing a stanford and had a few small cracks develop on the edge just above the sf burnt in stamping . I think the stamping , if deep enough/ close enough to the actual edge , creates a bit of a weak point on the edge above the stamp . I applied some pva , sanded the crack /rounded it off , and it was fine .
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: LEACHY48 on June 24, 2017, 08:46:51 AM
Send it back ?
How is this the manufacturers' fault ?
@Hoover
My argument would be that if the bat cannot withstand the knocking in process then it was probably drier than a nuns chuff and no amount of oil will change that because all oil does is seal in existing moisture - if there is no existing moisture to seal in then oil is useless. Furthermore if the bat is breaking during the knocking in process it needs to be replaced because there is no longevity and the bat will not last past a few weeks in all probability. I've had one bat break during knocking and it was replaced straight away no questions asked.
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: Number4 on June 24, 2017, 10:12:01 AM
@Hoover
My argument would be that if the bat cannot withstand the knocking in process then it was probably drier than a nuns chuff and no amount of oil will change that because all oil does is seal in existing moisture - if there is no existing moisture to seal in then oil is useless. Furthermore if the bat is breaking during the knocking in process it needs to be replaced because there is no longevity and the bat will not last past a few weeks in all probability. I've had one bat break during knocking and it was replaced straight away no questions asked.

And you know the knocking in techniques used were correct? Do you know if he hit the edges full force with a mallet? Does this not get taken into account?
Title: Re: MRF toe cracking while knocking in
Post by: Psi on January 07, 2019, 12:34:08 PM
Just started knocking in a new MRF Genius Grand edition. Have oiled lightly with two coats. But I just noticed a hairline crack on the blade that seems to go diagonally through the toe.
Do you think this is a problem and I should stop knocking in? I am using a wooden mallet and started pretty gently, but I heard that MRF bats can be very soft when new...

Not sure how to include photos on this forum. Hopefully this works:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qmiMXfe96uVxXVfe6

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/qmiMXfe96uVxXVfe6)
Title: Re: MRF toe cracking while knocking in
Post by: richyreed on January 07, 2019, 01:51:06 PM
Just started knocking in a new MRF Genius Grand edition. Have oiled lightly with two coats. But I just noticed a hairline crack on the blade that seems to go diagonally through the toe.
Do you think this is a problem and I should stop knocking in? I am using a wooden mallet and started pretty gently, but I heard that MRF bats can be very soft when new...

Not sure how to include photos on this forum. Hopefully this works:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qmiMXfe96uVxXVfe6 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/qmiMXfe96uVxXVfe6)

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/qmiMXfe96uVxXVfe6)

It doesn't seem to be too bad of a crack, if it went all the way through the toe then you'd be in trouble. I would put some super glue on it and give it a light sand and it should be fine. Paul has done a good video about a bat with a similar problem - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-AvpPmsdkg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-AvpPmsdkg)
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: Psi on January 07, 2019, 02:10:07 PM
Thanks. Yes the video was helpful. Don't think I can get superglue into the crack as it hasn't opened up at all. But I'll keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: richyreed on January 07, 2019, 02:38:57 PM
I would still put a light layer of superglue on it and give it a sand. If it's left and it's used you risk the crack getting more severe.
Title: Re: MRF toe cracking while knocking in
Post by: InternalTraining on January 07, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
An old thread. :)

Use regular glue (instead of super glue), sand, and gently knock. No need to worry or panic. Make sure you enjoy the bat and get lots of use out of it.
Title: Re: CA 12000 edges cracking while knocking in
Post by: Psi on January 07, 2019, 03:17:15 PM
Thanks to both - I will glue it and continue. Yes I do plan to get lots of good use out of it :)