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Title: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: petehosk on August 21, 2017, 06:33:53 PM
Didn't want to start this topic but some exciting news about Marlon Samuels and Chris Gayle in the Windies squad for ODI matches!! #BoxOffice
If the Tests end up being as disappointing as the 1st Test, at least this gives us something to look forward to!  :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on August 21, 2017, 07:28:28 PM
If Narine was playing with his new founded opening abilities then it might form some semblance of a contest. But he's not and I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: petehosk on August 21, 2017, 07:35:59 PM
Well, if Gayle is playing I will want to see!!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on August 21, 2017, 07:48:17 PM
Narine > Gayle
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on August 22, 2017, 08:42:38 AM
Not getting to excited although Samuels and Gayle will impriove the  team the Windies ODI are a  side that failed to qualify for the ICC trophy in June.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: GoodLeave on September 01, 2017, 02:39:27 PM
Narine and K.Pollard now in the squad.

Might be the best side they've put out since WT20 Final. C. Brathwaite to captain. Stokes having flashbacks.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: six and out on September 01, 2017, 03:51:36 PM
I think it could be a very interesting little series. It has a lot of sub plots that have the potential to turn it into great games.

Gayle, Samuels, Narine etc.. will want to impress and show the WI what they have been missing.
Stokes vs Samuels is always worth a watch
I think England will look at the likes of Livingstone, Crane and the Curran brothers again.
Plus if someone has a belter of a series it could get them on the plane.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: petehosk on September 01, 2017, 05:33:33 PM
Plus if someone has a belter of a series it could get them on the plane.

Agree with this for ODI! This is how Malan was considered so could be a place.....
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 04, 2017, 11:50:54 AM
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41146926 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41146926)

Marlon Samuels giving it the big one!
Thought it was cricket, not a boxing match...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 04, 2017, 11:54:06 AM
Someone mentioned elsewhere that Stokes reputation as a bit of a see you next Tuesday are exaggerated by genuine see you next Tuesday's like Samuels picking fights with him.

Do hope Ben gives him stick, mind.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: six and out on September 04, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
Someone mentioned elsewhere that Stokes reputation as a bit of a see you next Tuesday are exaggerated by genuine see you next Tuesday's like Samuels picking fights with him.

Do hope Ben gives him stick, mind.

I think it's quite simple really.....

In the T20 Stokes should give Samuels a lot of grief (Samuels will give it back) get the extra de-merit points he needs for a ban.... then he takes it during the ODI's and be clear for the Ashes.


Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 04, 2017, 12:32:12 PM
"I have things in place" - really?  who is this tool and why do the media give him oxygen?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ScottParko on September 04, 2017, 12:35:11 PM
"I have things in place" - really?  who is this tool and why do the media give him oxygen?

Sounds like a threat to me. Wonder if the ICC take a look at these quotes.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 04, 2017, 12:45:19 PM
It's not a threat, it's the anal effluent of a fading talent, who needs to provoke a fight in the media to get him up for the ensuing series.

Sadly, Stokes will probably react to it.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 04, 2017, 12:50:45 PM
It's a far better game when bat and ball do the talking. Ambrose said nothing to anyone apparently apart from Waugh and when Jones asked him to take off his sweat bands.

I suppose if your 7ft and bowling unplayable balls not much really needs to be said.

Samuels seems to think he is some sort of big shot,he is really not that good.

Contrast that to Hope who I saw in a press conference recently, calm,collected and respectful after twin tons

Great to see
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: six and out on September 04, 2017, 06:45:31 PM
England T20I squad: Morgan(c), Bairstow, Ball, Buttler, T. Curran, Dawson, Hales, Jordan, Malan, Plunkett, Rashid, Root, Roy, Willey

England ODI squad: Morgan(c), Ali, Bairstow, Ball, Buttler, T. Curran, Hales, Plunkett, Rashid, Root, Roy, Stokes, Willey, Woakes
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 04, 2017, 07:17:45 PM
Dawson in the T20 squad, but no Mason Crane...  :(
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Big Mac on September 04, 2017, 07:22:25 PM
Shame on you guys, Samuels is brilliant.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: six and out on September 04, 2017, 07:30:39 PM
Dawson in the T20 squad, but no Mason Crane...  :(

Yep i thought it strange no Crane after his performance last time out.

Also interesting no Wood in either squad. I would have thought he has to play at some point before the Ashes?

I would have liked to maybe see some recognition for achievements in this year's Blast as well. So maybe someone like Harry Guerney get a chance.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 04, 2017, 07:34:12 PM
Yep i thought it strange no Crane after his performance last time out.

Also interesting no Wood in either squad. I would have thought he has to play at some point before the Ashes?

I would have liked to maybe see some recognition for achievements in this year's Blast as well. So maybe someone like Harry Guerney get a chance.

He's been tried and disposed of already though  :(
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 04, 2017, 07:35:24 PM
Pick Dawson and leave out Crane - Hampshire have to play Crane in the 4 dayers? Quite boring squads for an end of summer series v WI, would have liked to see a different batting or all-round option or two.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: six and out on September 04, 2017, 07:49:22 PM
He's been tried and disposed of already though  :(

True but that was in 2014 when we were playing awful white ball cricket in general.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 04, 2017, 07:54:29 PM
More concerned we are not finding out about a second spinner for Australia. Normally they at least give  someone a few games in one days at least.

Unless I'm missing it completely and we will take Dawson and Rashid ? We are going to need two spinners I think at Sydney.cant believe it will be Dawson or Rashid to go with Ali.

If it is going to be crane as well on tour v surprised he is not picked here.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Sam on September 04, 2017, 09:12:16 PM
More concerned we are not finding out about a second spinner for Australia. Normally they at least give  someone a few games in one days at least.

Unless I'm missing it completely and we will take Dawson and Rashid ? We are going to need two spinners I think at Sydney.cant believe it will be Dawson or Rashid to go with Ali.

If it is going to be crane as well on tour v surprised he is not picked here.

Could be viewing it as him playing the last few championship games of the season being more beneficial than playing limited overs cricket for him. He's also not been made available for Hampshire's championship game tomorrow suggesting they haven't completely written off him playing at Lords yet.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ScottParko on September 05, 2017, 10:43:32 PM
As a Durham lad I'm left feeling like I've had a bit of a kick in the balls with Stokes not getting picked for the one t20 at Durham. Durham obviously using Stokes in the billing for the game and we obviously need any help we can get but nope he's been 'rested'. On a positive note we have got a floodlit ODI against the Aussies next year which I wasn't expecting.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 06, 2017, 07:18:36 AM
I'm going to the T20 at Durham and was a little disappointed at the lack of Stokes and Ali but still looking forward to it  :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 16, 2017, 06:43:00 PM
Brilliant work from the bowlers to claw this back after Gayle/Lewis had tonked it around. Rashid's control has come on leaps and bounds.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 16, 2017, 07:45:47 PM
Did Root have a word with Hales after he hit Williams for a front foot pull to the cow corner? Root didn't seem happy.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 16, 2017, 07:57:46 PM
Hales has been ridiculous this summer
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 16, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
Well there's no better time to get runs than now with root at the other end

If there is a middle order spot for Oz Hales is making a case.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: TGB1997 on September 18, 2017, 09:57:12 AM
I thought the bowlers bowled very poorly at Gayle and Lewis but as mentioned previously Rashid controlled the innings nicely. The problem with the batting was when we lost one wicket we had a habit of losing two or three in quick succession.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Manormanic on September 18, 2017, 11:48:04 AM
I didn't think they did a great job structuring the line up to be honesh - hiding YJB away at six made no sense, when he would have been better coming in at four and controlling the chase, with the two hitters in behind him for acceleration.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Manormanic on September 18, 2017, 11:48:42 AM
It certainly showed how valuable Wor Sturkes is - he just balances the side so perfectly.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: petehosk on September 18, 2017, 11:55:42 AM
To be fair Stokes was prob due for a rest!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: TGB1997 on September 18, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
To be fair Stokes was prob due for a rest!
I agree but I think it was risky giving both Stokes and Moeen Ali out the team as they are the two proper consistent all rounders but tbh a T20 isn't the end of the world
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 18, 2017, 12:48:09 PM
Even though it was just the one game, wouldn't this have counted as a series for the purpose of world rankings?

Personally can't get my head around needing a rest when Stokes would've been looking at a 4 over bowling spell and half an hour or so of batting at the very worst - surely he'll do far more than that in just an average days training?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: TGB1997 on September 18, 2017, 12:52:53 PM
Even though it was just the one game, wouldn't this have counted as a series for the purpose of world rankings?

Personally can't get my head around needing a rest when Stokes would've been looking at a 4 over bowling spell and half an hour or so of batting at the very worst - surely he'll do far more than that in just an average days training?
That's a very valid point as he's been spoken to in the past about doing too much and burning himself out
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 18, 2017, 01:01:28 PM
Thought we were just a batsman light, chasing a decent target and losing wickets in clusters at unhelpful times. Would have been a good time for David Willey, in particular, to show why he bats in the top order in domestic cricket!

To be fair, imagine Stokes was probably quite grateful for a few days at home with the family with his feet up! More about having a week off training than missing the game I'd have thought. Odd that we didn't select our three top allrounders and didn't call up anyone to replace them though, if you're going to rest players then surely it's the best time to get a look at who might be the next generation?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 18, 2017, 01:18:35 PM
Bairstow opening in this game no one can say he doesn't deserve a chance
Dont look good for Jason roy thou long term
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: TGB1997 on September 18, 2017, 01:25:38 PM
Bairstow opening in this game no one can say he doesn't deserve a chance
Dont look good for Jason roy thou long term
I think they need to persist with Roy as he's been solid at the top of the order with Hales for a few years now, I'll never forget being at the Oval in the ODI vs Sri Lanka last year watching his hundred with was in some respects a KP style innings. Lets also not forget Hales had a sticky patch and was fully supported by the ECB. I think Roy is one of those players who is firstly going through a rough patch where nothing goes his way and secondly the way he plays in a positive manner from ball one can be hit and miss but when he gets going hes destructive as we've seen from Roy in both Surrey and England games. As an added bonus he's very strong the field which means a lot in modern white ball cricket.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 18, 2017, 03:31:55 PM
First thought on seeing the team England are a specialist batsman ligh
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 18, 2017, 04:24:57 PM
I think they need to persist with Roy as he's been solid at the top of the order with Hales for a few years now, I'll never forget being at the Oval in the ODI vs Sri Lanka last year watching his hundred with was in some respects a KP style innings. Lets also not forget Hales had a sticky patch and was fully supported by the ECB. I think Roy is one of those players who is firstly going through a rough patch where nothing goes his way and secondly the way he plays in a positive manner from ball one can be hit and miss but when he gets going hes destructive as we've seen from Roy in both Surrey and England games. As an added bonus he's very strong the field which means a lot in modern white ball cricket.

I really like Jason roy. But he must play himself in a bit.
The best batsmen in the world do i don't see why he can't

Yes we want a fast start but he needs a chance-kp a good example of getting in in test and one day cricket
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: TGB1997 on September 19, 2017, 07:19:57 AM
I really like Jason roy. But he must play himself in a bit.
The best batsmen in the world do i don't see why he can't

Yes we want a fast start but he needs a chance-kp a good example of getting in in test and one day cricket
Totally agree with that as he feels to help Hales he needs a fast start, if the balls there to hit, hit it yes I agree take some time
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 19, 2017, 09:44:27 AM
Anyone know what the forecast is like for today?

Also, a little fun challenge - predict England's highest run scorer, highest wicket taker and most economical bowler (for 4 overs or more) for today:

Stokes - Rashid - Plunkett

There you go, guaranteed bad games for those 3!!! :)
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 19, 2017, 10:07:57 AM
Anyone know what the forecast is like for today?

Also, a little fun challenge - predict England's highest run scorer, highest wicket taker and most economical bowler (for 4 overs or more) for today:

Stokes - Rashid - Plunkett

There you go, guaranteed bad games for those 3!!! :)

Think I agree with your bowlers but I think Hales or YJB will top score.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: TGB1997 on September 19, 2017, 11:05:48 AM
Anyone know what the forecast is like for today?

Also, a little fun challenge - predict England's highest run scorer, highest wicket taker and most economical bowler (for 4 overs or more) for today:

Stokes - Rashid - Plunkett

There you go, guaranteed bad games for those 3!!! :)

Highest run scorer- Bairstow

Highest wicket taker- Plunkett

Most economical bowler- Plunkett
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 19, 2017, 11:55:58 AM
I love Paul Collingwood
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 19, 2017, 12:13:04 PM
Well, this is somewhat developing into a farce
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: csnew on September 19, 2017, 12:33:39 PM
Doubt they'll get a game. Conditions not fit enough...they were lucky west indies agreed to finish the t20 game
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: justnotcricket86 on September 19, 2017, 01:37:12 PM
Root drops Gayle 3rd ball

At Slip

Again
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 19, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
Our catching this summer has been absolutely diabolical
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 19, 2017, 01:50:04 PM
  You can't bowl there to Gale as Woakes as found out 92 metres that one.
And now Willey puts the ball in Gales arc  93 metres that six
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: csnew on September 19, 2017, 01:52:05 PM
Dishing up some nice half volleys here to gayle and their disappearing. Don't mind this entertainment though
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 19, 2017, 02:10:00 PM
Gales injured hamstring struggling to run
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 19, 2017, 02:11:30 PM
Gales injured hamstring struggling to run

Have you seen him play before? He always struggles to run!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 19, 2017, 03:17:52 PM
WHAT A GRAB!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 19, 2017, 03:20:33 PM
Oh Marlon, what a shame..........
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 19, 2017, 03:28:09 PM
Go take a walk on the boundary, Marlon. Lovely.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 19, 2017, 03:39:35 PM
WHAT A GRAB!
Would have been a dolly if he hadn't been wandering around in no man's land 10 yards off the boundary! Can never believe it when professional cricketers get the basics wrong like that.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 19, 2017, 03:41:36 PM
Would have been a dolly if he hadn't been wandering around in no man's land 10 yards off the boundary! Can never believe it when professional cricketers get the basics wrong like that.

Only seen a very quick highlight clip tbh, presumed he'd come in off the fence.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 19, 2017, 03:47:48 PM
Only seen a very quick highlight clip tbh, presumed he'd come in off the fence.
Same here, but he's definitely going sideways, would have been much easier if he was stood on the fence. Harsh maybe given the catch, but that kind of thing does my head in (can you tell how my side's fielding went this season ha?). The good old 'saving two' fielding position straight out of village cricket!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 19, 2017, 03:50:09 PM
Same here, but he's definitely going sideways, would have been much easier if he was stood on the fence. Harsh maybe given the catch, but that kind of thing does my head in (can you tell how my side's fielding went this season ha?). The good old 'saving two' fielding position straight out of village cricket!

The worst as a "spinner" (term used loosely) is when you put a man out on the hoik and they drift in from the line and it goes over their head for a one bounce four, which to be fair is what would have happened there at club level.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 19, 2017, 04:05:34 PM
The worst as a "spinner" (term used loosely) is when you put a man out on the hoik and they drift in from the line and it goes over their head for a one bounce four, which to be fair is what would have happened there at club level.
To be fair the worst I've seen was actually the other way round - teammate on a hattrick and fivefer, colt in to bat, skipper brings everyone in catching but forgets to move himself and stays on the circle at backward point... batsman cuts limply and it lobs gently up to land 5 yards in front of him! The fines were strong that day.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 19, 2017, 04:15:53 PM
To be fair the worst I've seen was actually the other way round - teammate on a hattrick and fivefer, colt in to bat, skipper brings everyone in catching but forgets to move himself and stays on the circle at backward point... batsman cuts limply and it lobs gently up to land 5 yards in front of him! The fines were strong that day.

Ouch.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 19, 2017, 04:41:21 PM
England 205 to win shouldnt be difficult.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 19, 2017, 04:49:13 PM
So - Most wickets Stokes - Most economical - Rashid.  Who knew?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: t2ylo on September 19, 2017, 05:24:55 PM
YJB to open in red ball cricket & Buttler with the gloves?

Surely not...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: charliemott on September 19, 2017, 06:22:15 PM
YJB to open in red ball cricket & Buttler with the gloves?

Surely not...

Would rather foakes personally!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: roco on September 19, 2017, 07:17:02 PM
YJB

You could see he was nervous that stokes was going to hit runs before he got his ton

Stokes was itching
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 19, 2017, 07:17:28 PM
Jroy looked annoyed... I wonder why?!??
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 19, 2017, 07:21:39 PM
Excellent running between root and bairstow that's an area we are good on.

And also.....a lesson from the pros how we can improve our cricket. Myself included of course  :)
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 19, 2017, 07:26:19 PM
Johnny shows why he should have played in the champions trophy if he had done so England might have won it.
Anyway we now have a partner for Hales.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 19, 2017, 07:26:57 PM
YJB <3
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Kieron_BT on September 20, 2017, 08:19:34 AM
Tino Best and Fidel Edwards trying to make themselves relevant on Twitter!

https://twitter.com/tinobest/status/910191485366276096
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 20, 2017, 08:40:47 AM
Crikey! That went well for him, especially from those who claim to have played against him!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 20, 2017, 08:51:34 AM
The simple reply of "Tino Worst" was my favourite response :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 20, 2017, 08:53:34 AM
Hales' response is hilarious https://twitter.com/AlexHales1/status/910226464129380354
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 20, 2017, 08:58:32 AM
Hales' response is hilarious https://twitter.com/AlexHales1/status/910226464129380354

Swept aside like Billings did to him in the Blast last season. https://vine.co/v/i3gPjqvDzmB
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: petehosk on September 20, 2017, 09:17:23 AM
My face response was from Ollie Pringle:

You played a @LashingsWorldXI game this season against me, you were the worst person ever, sh1te attitude,sh1te bloke,sh1te hair, sh1te bowling.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Woodyspin on September 20, 2017, 09:27:36 AM
A hilarious stumping, and a 95 against a weakened attack and 2 6fers. Other than that who's Tino?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: petehosk on September 20, 2017, 09:39:45 AM
On another subject, am I the only one who thinks that Willey is a little too slow to be in the ODI team?
I know he is an ok bowler who has some decent games and can bat a bit too. But with some of the guys on the sidelines I think we meed to look at the best XI to pick. Willey is bowling at around 80mph which wouldn't be an issue if he bowled as well as Vernon Philander, but he doesn't!
I know Curren and Ball are in the squad, but would anyone else give TRJ a run-out in the ODI? Or am I the only one who thinks that TRJ could offer some some extra class to the ODI team?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 20, 2017, 09:54:43 AM
On another subject, am I the only one who thinks that Willey is a little too slow to be in the ODI team?
I know he is an ok bowler who has some decent games and can bat a bit too. But with some of the guys on the sidelines I think we meed to look at the best XI to pick. Willey is bowling at around 80mph which wouldn't be an issue if he bowled as well as Vernon Philander, but he doesn't!
I know Curren and Ball are in the squad, but would anyone else give TRJ a run-out in the ODI? Or am I the only one who thinks that TRJ could offer some some extra class to the ODI team?

Problem is with Willey, he's only really a genuine threat to top batsmen when the ball is swinging, which means you're basically playing him as half a bowler (4-5 over spell with the new ball), once it stops swinging he's too slow to worry most top order players.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 20, 2017, 09:58:23 AM
On another subject, am I the only one who thinks that Willey is a little too slow to be in the ODI team?
I know he is an ok bowler who has some decent games and can bat a bit too. But with some of the guys on the sidelines I think we meed to look at the best XI to pick. Willey is bowling at around 80mph which wouldn't be an issue if he bowled as well as Vernon Philander, but he doesn't!
I know Curren and Ball are in the squad, but would anyone else give TRJ a run-out in the ODI? Or am I the only one who thinks that TRJ could offer some some extra class to the ODI team?
Left arm angle and early wickets are very valuable in ODIs these days to be fair, and Willey does a good job on those. Where his place is in danger is when the ball's not moving, so he's less effective early or not used later on in the innnings (edit:northern got there first), but to be fair he seems to be improving at the death.

Presumably he'll come under serious threat if/when Sam Curran gets on the international scene, otherwise I reckon his place in the squad is nailed on and spot in the XI pretty solid? Haven't seen enough of TRJ in odis yet but I'd take Willey over Ball I think.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 20, 2017, 10:28:24 AM
TRJ would do okay bowls with rhythm and   mainly  wicket to wicket has  a bouncer which lands on a good length  and troubles batsman
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 20, 2017, 11:46:09 AM
Also Cricinfo's little thing on Samuels/Stokes is funny https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo/status/910154959068336128
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 20, 2017, 12:05:47 PM
TRJ would do okay bowls with rhythm and   mainly  wicket to wicket has  a bouncer which lands on a good length  and troubles batsman

He's too similar to Woakes though!
England like Willey because he's a left armer and is something different. It would be a very samey attack without him.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 20, 2017, 12:09:21 PM
He's too similar to Woakes though!
England like Willey because he's a left armer and is something different. It would be a very samey attack without him.

#DROPWOAKES
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 20, 2017, 12:11:17 PM
#DROPWOAKES

Could this be the first post that @Seniorplayer actually agrees with??? ;) :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: petehosk on September 20, 2017, 12:26:40 PM
To be fair, Woakes looked sharper yesterday. He also looked back to his quicker pace too!!
Not sure what was wrong with him before (probably not 100% from his injury) but he is looking better again now  :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 20, 2017, 01:10:41 PM
I don't think Willey is quite up there at the moment.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 20, 2017, 03:21:14 PM
To be fair, Woakes looked sharper yesterday. He also looked back to his quicker pace too!!
Not sure what was wrong with him before (probably not 100% from his injury) but he is looking better again now  :D
Pace was okay but
 according to The commentators yesterday Woakes was lacking in rhythm
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 20, 2017, 03:59:20 PM
I don't think Willey is quite up there at the moment.

Hehehehe
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 24, 2017, 10:32:59 AM
Bairstow  out bit to much bounce for that shot Johnny
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 24, 2017, 10:51:55 AM
#BairstowOut
#NextOpenerPlease
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: t2ylo on September 24, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
Root, Moeen, Stokes, Bairstow, Hales & Buttler

We are quite fun to watch these days.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 24, 2017, 01:36:32 PM
Wow Moeen  100 off 53 balls second fastest ODI hundred for England After Buttler
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Kulli on September 24, 2017, 01:38:21 PM
That was outrageous!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 24, 2017, 01:38:50 PM
That's an appalling drop from Nurse! But, they get their man.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 24, 2017, 01:39:59 PM
That looks like a small ground. I wonder how long are those boundaries.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: lexx on September 24, 2017, 01:42:11 PM
What an innings from mo! He's had the summer if his life and that was just amazing to watch.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: JB on September 24, 2017, 02:01:14 PM
That looks like a small ground. I wonder how long are those boundaries.

Sky commentators said around 60m @InternalTraining, not sure how accurate that is though
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on September 24, 2017, 02:36:20 PM
That looks like a small ground. I wonder how long are those boundaries.

Straight isnít very long but width wise itís wuote a hit, friend owns the penthouse flat at long on and Klinger stuck one on his balcony
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: csnew on September 24, 2017, 03:27:22 PM
Not sure how the umpire over turned that samules decision. Wasnít a clear spike. Not that itís going to make much of a difference to the outcome of the game
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Kulli on September 24, 2017, 03:32:03 PM
Not sure how the umpire over turned that samules decision. Wasnít a clear spike. Not that itís going to make much of a difference to the outcome of the game
I wondered that too, surely the ball passing very close to the bat could also create a small noise?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: csnew on September 24, 2017, 03:37:04 PM
I wondered that too, surely the ball passing very close to the bat could also create a small noise?

He had a massive swipe so couldíve been the speed of the bat or more likely his spikes. There were plenty of small noises during that graphic anyway. Odd to over turn it
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 24, 2017, 07:49:49 PM
Odd yes the rule states the third umpire has to have clear evidence to overturn the on field umps decision.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 24, 2017, 08:02:27 PM
Willey's out lads.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 24, 2017, 08:40:07 PM
I love Moeen Ali
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 25, 2017, 12:13:19 PM
Straight isnít very long but width wise itís wuote a hit, friend owns the penthouse flat at long on and Klinger stuck one on his balcony
Having one of those balconies means you get regular white ball gifts from Klinger, I collected a few in my time there! 60m straight sounds about right. Martin Guptill put one on the roof of the flats in a champo game, that was a serious hit...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 26, 2017, 11:51:11 AM
Stokes and Hales not at nets today, Strauss is giving a statement of some kind surely. Something's up...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 26, 2017, 12:11:04 PM
And there we have it, Stokes arrested in Bristol on early Monday morning. Talk about embarrassing.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: golders on September 26, 2017, 12:19:34 PM
Oh dear oh dear,our Ashes plans in disarray before we've even landed in Australia!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: six and out on September 26, 2017, 12:20:23 PM
And there we have it, Stokes arrested in Bristol on early Monday morning. Talk about embarrassing.

Embarrassing maybe..... but i was more worried they were injured!!

 
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 26, 2017, 12:23:10 PM
Any CBFers in Bristol who can shed more light on the incident? What's Benji doing?!!! He is the perfect candidate for England captaincy in all formats.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: roco on September 26, 2017, 12:26:01 PM
both not available for next one dayer hmmmm must have been more than a tussle.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: frooper11 on September 26, 2017, 12:26:49 PM
Any CBFers in Bristol who can shed more light on the incident? What's Benji doing?!!! He is the perfect candidate for England captaincy in all formats.

Will keep an eye out in the local rag but won't hold out much hope as they seem to be akin to a remake of 1980's/90's BBC TV series "Press Gang", journalism at it's most rubbishest.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 26, 2017, 12:27:25 PM
Oh gawd
I thought there was nothing to do on a night out in Bristol?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 26, 2017, 12:31:40 PM
He may have been released without charge but I am suspecting someone's tried picking a fight with him and it's gone from there. Either way it's disappointing, I thought he'd grown up since the whole Lions thing with Matt Coles and lockergate
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: tate035 on September 26, 2017, 12:34:04 PM
And there we have it, Stokes arrested in Bristol on early Monday morning. Talk about embarrassing.

Not actually been charged though... Let's not jump to conclusions. Didn't do Warner or Root any harm after a little conflab..  ;)
Personally it's not always the case of "growing up" as none of us know the details so let's stop judging before the FACTS come out...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: justnotcricket86 on September 26, 2017, 12:37:36 PM
This looks pretty FACTUAL to me

https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/912656327511506944

Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: frooper11 on September 26, 2017, 12:38:32 PM
Any CBFers in Bristol who can shed more light on the incident? What's Benji doing?!!! He is the perfect candidate for England captaincy in all formats.

Avon & Somerset Police appealing for witnesses to an incident in a Clifton Triangle bar at 2.35am in which a 27yo Male had facial injuries and a 26yo Male being arrested on suspicion of causing ABH, since released under investigation whilst enquiries continue. Read into this what you like I guess.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: six and out on September 26, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
Strauss making the statement....

https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/912658284733239296

Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: tate035 on September 26, 2017, 12:48:06 PM
This looks pretty FACTUAL to me

https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/912656327511506944

What exactly is FACTUAL in the release??  I can't see anywhere the discussions between the parties involved mentioned. Also what the circumstances were as to why one person was left with injuries and yet the other wasn't..
Will.wait for the COMPLETE facts to be released to be honest. :)
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: justnotcricket86 on September 26, 2017, 12:49:26 PM
From what I can gather by reading the terminology, he's clouted/been accused of clouting someone but there is insufficient evidence to hold him without charge.

It's the pending further investigation bit that is worrying, he may still be charged
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 26, 2017, 01:50:28 PM
Yes exactly. It's pretty serious should this go any further thou ABH the cops won't let go easily I don't think.

Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Kieron_BT on September 26, 2017, 01:59:52 PM
Was Marlon Samuels also on a night out?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 26, 2017, 02:08:01 PM
Sounds like MBargo on a Sunday night on the Triangle, early hours of a Monday morning that's often a pretty easy place for a couple of big drunk lads to find themselves in a scrap. Hopefully not as bad as it sounds, but doesn't sound good does it.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 26, 2017, 02:22:44 PM
Was Marlon Samuels also on a night out?

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: roco on September 26, 2017, 02:25:31 PM
Thank god he didn't try it on with Gayle
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: justnotcricket86 on September 26, 2017, 02:38:58 PM
Thank god he didn't try it on with Gayle

Gayle unlikely to run after him...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: petehosk on September 26, 2017, 02:54:12 PM
Gayle wouldn't need to run!  :o
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: thecord on September 26, 2017, 03:47:28 PM
The biggest crime here is that they couldnít find anywhere better to go in Bristol than Mbargo!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 26, 2017, 03:49:00 PM
"Somerset and Avon police confirmed that a 26-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of causing actual bodily harm - an offence which carries a maximum prison sentence of five years - while another man was taken to hospital with facial injuries."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20823300/ben-stokes-arrested-bristol-incident (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20823300/ben-stokes-arrested-bristol-incident)

That's serious business!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: GoodLeave on September 26, 2017, 03:49:48 PM
Should ban interesting toss up for Morgan:

Nass: Any changes?

Morgan: Just one, Stokes comes out of the side due to pending incarceration.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 26, 2017, 04:22:27 PM
Should ban interesting toss up for Morgan:

Nass: Any changes?

Morgan: Just one, Stokes comes out of the side due to pending incarceration.

At least they won't be able to use 'rotation'
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: GoodLeave on September 26, 2017, 05:23:08 PM
Atleast the Aussie press will be kind.

How many puns can you make about "convicts coming home" anyway?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 27, 2017, 11:30:18 AM
Willey out - Ball's in.

Fantastic!  :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: petehosk on September 27, 2017, 11:32:47 AM
Good move there but suspect that everyone will be a bit out of sorts!
I hope I'm wrong but think we may be out cheaply today  :(
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Kulli on September 27, 2017, 12:01:29 PM
Forget Stokes, here's Woakes!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 27, 2017, 12:04:35 PM
Woakes looks back to his best!
Can't say he's short of match fitness now!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 27, 2017, 12:08:34 PM
Woakes!!!

Agnew has him opening in the ashes

Love it
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: iand123 on September 27, 2017, 12:15:32 PM
Woakes!!!

Agnew has him opening in the ashes

Love it

Harsh on Stoneman that  :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: mo_town on September 27, 2017, 12:19:36 PM
Willey out - Ball's in.

Fantastic!  :D


 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 27, 2017, 12:20:08 PM
Somewhere in Worcestershire a forum legend is celebrating with a pint of stout.

Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 27, 2017, 12:31:55 PM
Woakes looks back to his best!
Can't say he's short of match fitness now!

 Windes ninth in the world cloud cover ball zipping around
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Big Mac on September 27, 2017, 12:53:46 PM
Yep near end of tour match Windes ninth in the world cloud cover ball zipping around

I wonder if being wrong all the time would make me this obstinately miserable
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 27, 2017, 01:37:48 PM
I wonder if being wrong all the time would make me this obstinately miserable

Well  anyone. Who calls Rashid a bit crap should. Know.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Big Mac on September 27, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Well  anyone. Who calls Rashid a bit crap should. Know.

How can I have been so foolish?

Adil Rashid, test average of 42.78 and 10 first-class wickets in 7 games for Yorkshire at an average of 50.00 this season, is a test quality bowler.

Meanwhile Woakes only has a test average 30.60 and 7 wickets @ 22.71 in 2 FC games for Warwickshire this season which means he always has been, currently is, and will forever be, absolutely useless and deserving of nothing less than unending scorn from everyone on the planet.

I can't believe I was so blind.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 27, 2017, 02:12:26 PM
Different game since the sun burnt through  the clouds Batting looks easier
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: csnew on September 27, 2017, 02:33:47 PM
This is some hitting from Lewis! Ali getting a taste of his own medicine
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 27, 2017, 02:47:45 PM
England have not bowled many Yorkers its to predictable should they bowl like this  in Oz Warner Smith and Co will think it's there birthdays.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 27, 2017, 02:55:12 PM
Lewis goes off on a stretcher shame he could have broke the windies individual IDO record.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Big Mac on September 27, 2017, 03:00:04 PM
Lewis goes off on a stretcher shame he could have broke the windies individual IDO record.

Would have been great to see him hit a double century, don't think anybody has managed it in England have they?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Woodyspin on September 27, 2017, 03:19:45 PM
Would have been great to see him hit a double century, don't think anybody has managed it in England have they?

Nope. no one. then again no one has scored more and gone off injured either so win win!  :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 27, 2017, 03:20:49 PM
Would have been great to see him hit a double century, don't think anybody has managed it in England have they?
No
Think Hales has the highest individual ODI  score of 171
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Big Mac on September 27, 2017, 03:24:25 PM
Nope. no one. then again no one has scored more and gone off injured either so win win!  :D

Wonder how much solace he'll take in the not out? A chap we played against two seasons ago dislocated his kneecap swivelling for a pull shot and was on the floor writhing in pain with his knee sticking out of the side of his leg. I went over and pointed out that it would be good for his average but somehow it didn't seem to improve his mood.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 27, 2017, 03:45:41 PM
DIegressing slightly  forthright  halftime  interview from Trevor Bayless re Aus  tour selections
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: t2ylo on September 27, 2017, 04:35:12 PM
Jason Roy demonstrating the "change of grip, change of luck" superbly

Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 27, 2017, 05:09:07 PM
Jason Roy demonstrating the "change of grip, change of luck" superbly

Roy out playing a dab rather than a big shot.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 27, 2017, 06:29:17 PM
How we have clawed back the DLS is beyond me. Love these two.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 27, 2017, 07:14:33 PM
Will the England boys be out clubbing to celebrate their series win tonight?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 27, 2017, 07:38:19 PM
Jason Holder has a good team that needs experience. A fine knock from Lewis today!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 27, 2017, 07:42:27 PM
Will the England boys be out clubbing to celebrate their series win tonight?

Ummmm.the brights lights of London hold many a temptation.but I think the hotel bar might be safest.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: GoodLeave on September 27, 2017, 07:47:15 PM
Will the England boys be out clubbing to celebrate their series win tonight?

As long as they're not out clubbing Joe Public they should be fine.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 27, 2017, 07:52:34 PM
As long as they're not out clubbing Joe Public they should be fine.
To be fair, Strauss had asked the team to try and connect with the fans and Stokes just got the wrong end of the stick.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 27, 2017, 08:30:50 PM
I wonder what the team meeting that sky eluded to was about? Stokes? Ashes? Lions squad?

I'd assume it was a warning about going out on the lash

Have a feeling the players have had a b******ing from Strauss/bayliss
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: golders on September 27, 2017, 09:24:07 PM
Just heard on talk sport that some video footage has emerged of a scuffle involving Stokes,can't find it anywhere though...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 27, 2017, 09:40:20 PM
Just heard on talk sport that some video footage has emerged of a scuffle involving Stokes,can't find it anywhere though...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4563420/england-cricket-ace-ben-stokes-nightclub-brawl-video/?editorialView=yes (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4563420/england-cricket-ace-ben-stokes-nightclub-brawl-video/?editorialView=yes)
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 27, 2017, 09:43:05 PM
Probably time to revisit the ' who can replace Stokes' section.

Can't see him going to Australia now
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Buzz on September 27, 2017, 09:43:25 PM
Grim.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 27, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
I really can't see him going now either. Stupid, stupid man.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 27, 2017, 09:50:29 PM
He ain't gonna go Strauss will have to pull the plug.

I think he's hanging onto his England shirt by a thread
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: cricketbadger on September 27, 2017, 09:59:54 PM
What an absolute bellend. Always knew he was firey but that lad he whacked at the end was retreating and not even fighting back. He doesn't deserve to go to Aus, let his country down. Great role model
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 27, 2017, 10:08:42 PM
Certainly doesn't look good however I'd say his only saving grace would be it seemed provoked, I'm  not defending it in anyway as it's despicable behaviour, Nothing has been verified yet so let's wait and hope!

But Being the pessimist about England cricket I am.... who do we replace him with?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 27, 2017, 10:13:14 PM
Certainly doesn't look good however I'd say his only saving grace would be it seemed provoked, I'm  not defending it in anyway as it's despicable behaviour, Nothing has been verified yet so let's wait and hope!

But Being the pessimist about England cricket I am.... who do we replace him with?

Exactly...and precisely no one because he's that good. Woakes moves up to 6.

Strauss like him or dislike him he is in an impossible position, I hate to type this but he will sack Stokes . His England career is over.

Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 27, 2017, 10:26:00 PM
Exactly...and precisely no one because he's that good. Woakes moves up to 6.

Strauss like him or dislike him he is in an impossible position, I hate to type this but he will sack Stokes . His England career is over.

Hate to agree with this!

I'm hoping ecb look at it that he isn't the first bloke to have a drunken fight and be arrested for that and he won't be the last, certainly vice captaincy gone he might get lucky over his career but have a lengthy ban
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: play-yourself-in on September 27, 2017, 10:33:06 PM
He got in trouble on a lions tour a few years back for boozing. Silly man, I hope that he can turn this around. I'm not that sure on the laws around this sort of thing, anyone know what a potential punishment will be?

Other sports people have come back from things like this so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 27, 2017, 10:38:40 PM
He got in trouble on a lions tour a few years back for boozing. Silly man, I hope that he can turn this around. I'm not that sure on the laws around this sort of thing, anyone know what a potential punishment will be?

Other sports people have come back from things like this so fingers crossed.

A quick look through uni notes, anything from "medium level community order" to 3 years imprisonment
This appears to look a more serious offence but wouldn't want to speculate, wouldn't be surprised if there's a suspended jail term
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: tate035 on September 27, 2017, 10:42:54 PM
He got in trouble on a lions tour a few years back for boozing. Silly man, I hope that he can turn this around. I'm not that sure on the laws around this sort of thing, anyone know what a potential punishment will be?

Other sports people have come back from things like this so fingers crossed.

If you watch it properly you will see Stokes has reacted when the bloke has attempted to bottle someone... Yes he has lost it and carried on the assault however its all aimed at the bloke who attempted to bottle someone..
Personally I wouldn't like to say what his punishment should be because I'm not sure how I would react if I saw someone trying to use a bottle...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Tom on September 27, 2017, 10:44:19 PM
Should be locked up, IMO. Goes beyond self defence and anything else.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 27, 2017, 10:45:29 PM
His England career is over.

Don't be silly!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: golders on September 27, 2017, 10:53:31 PM
How about Ravi Bopara for a like for like replacement?!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 27, 2017, 11:05:23 PM
How about Ravi Bopara for a like for like replacement?!

Darren Stevens?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: billyb on September 27, 2017, 11:06:06 PM
Really can't see him not being locked up for this.

I'm pretty sure I've seen two videos? But in both, it looks pretty awful.

A sad day for world cricket, arguably- a man with the world at his feet.

Yet he only has himself to blame.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 27, 2017, 11:25:39 PM
Had a look at the sentencing guidelines for ABH, likely he'll just get a community order unless the bloke he punched was 'seriously' injured.
Whatever happens, be interesting to see how cricket takes this in comparison to other walks of life. Beating someone up on a night out didn't stop Steven Gerrard becoming England captain, for example.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 28, 2017, 02:00:07 AM
Quote
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4563420/england-cricket-ace-ben-stokes-nightclub-brawl-video/?editorialView=yes (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4563420/england-cricket-ace-ben-stokes-nightclub-brawl-video/?editorialView=yes)

He took out 3 scrawny guys...threw 15 punches in a minutes. With a fitness level that generates his kind of bat speed, that level of boxing/punching prowess is expected. I love Benji but that was effing idiotic! He is a match winning international/test level cricketer, a champ in the making, and in a dark, empty street, he is fighting nobodies. The lad needs psychiatric help! What the F***!!!!!!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 28, 2017, 02:00:59 AM
Had a look at the sentencing guidelines for ABH, likely he'll just get a community order unless the bloke he punched was 'seriously' injured.
Whatever happens, be interesting to see how cricket takes this in comparison to other walks of life. Beating someone up on a night out didn't stop Steven Gerrard becoming England captain, for example.

What's ABH? Assault with bodily harm?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 28, 2017, 02:04:37 AM
What's ABH? Assault with bodily harm?
Close enough, actual bodily harm.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 28, 2017, 02:07:58 AM
In the video, there is a tall guy trying to stop Stokes, is that Hales? There are two other guys who are standing by and watching the scrap.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 28, 2017, 02:14:27 AM
In the video, there is a tall guy trying to stop Stokes, is that Hales? There are two other guys who are standing by and watching the scrap.
Does look like Hales, but given that earlier in the video he's giving someone's head a kicking, I hope it isn't!

Hard to really see properly, but 'Stokes' in the video doesn't seem to have as many tattoos as you'd expect... *clutches at straws*
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 28, 2017, 02:19:11 AM
Does look like Hales, but given that earlier in the video he's giving someone's head a kicking, I hope it isn't!

He is probably Hales, has a bit of a whiny quality on the street like he does on the cricket field. :D :D :D

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Hard to really see properly, but 'Stokes' in the video doesn't seem to have as many tattoos as you'd expect... *clutches at straws*

I think it is Stokes. He was moving like an MMA fighter. He is a street fighting fit lad! :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 28, 2017, 06:29:54 AM
Right, so who do we think will be called up to replace Stokes?

Won't get near jail-time (his pockets are deep enough) but no doubt they'll be an ECB suspension - can't see how they could possibly justify taking him this winter after that video



Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: csnew on September 28, 2017, 06:32:31 AM
Oh dear! That video does look pretty bad for mr stokes. Canít see him escaping a ban. Just depends when the board decides to enforce that ban.

Pathetic stuff from stokes. Bet Marlon Samules is sat somewhere with his pads on and feet up laughing his head off. Then again a few of the aussies will be doing the same after watching that
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 28, 2017, 07:24:26 AM
What is it with pissed-up Rambo's wanting drunken violence? 

If I've had a skinfull, all I want to do is hug everyone (especially a pretty lady), eat something Turkish and go to sleep.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 28, 2017, 07:25:12 AM
If that that is Hales in the video, he doesn't seem to step in manfully and drag Stokes away - he actually looks rather ineffectual.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 28, 2017, 07:36:50 AM
Not condoning Stokes's actions at all but it does appear that these lads have been threatening him and Hales with a bottle (in fact it looks like Hales is pretty close to receiving a bottle to the back of the head at one point), that's a pretty serious threat in my book.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 28, 2017, 07:46:41 AM
well it would seem that being able to prove 'severe provocation' may well be the only way to get him off the hook.

One would hope the ECB have a lawyer shoot straight down to Bristol to be involved in the interview process, and that someone has taken Ben and Alex to one side and got their side of the story.

ECB must be forced into clarifying the situation soon to avoid further media speculation.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: petehosk on September 28, 2017, 07:54:18 AM
I suspect he will still go to Aus, but as punishment will be stripped of his Vice-Captain status!
Or put another way, they will pull every string to get him on the plane!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: smilley792 on September 28, 2017, 08:04:03 AM
Having read many reports, I have to disagree with most on here.

All seem to agree that the guy floored had earlier attacked someone with a bottle.

Some say stokes.
Some say one of stokes party.
Other say a female not part of stokes group.

If any off that is true, then stokes deserves a medal.
Any scum waving bottles around at people while drunk don't tend to know when to stop, lots of story's in the news about guys fighting. Everyone moves on, accept the dude that starts it that follows and waits to attack from behind.

Don't take chances! If someone attacks you with a weapon. Put them in the hospital.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: justnotcricket86 on September 28, 2017, 08:10:18 AM
Having read many reports, I have to disagree with most on here.

All seem to agree that the guy floored had earlier attacked someone with a bottle.

Some say stokes.
Some say one of stokes party.
Other say a female not part of stokes group.

If any off that is true, then stokes deserves a medal.
Any scum waving bottles around at people while drunk don't tend to know when to stop, lots of story's in the news about guys fighting. Everyone moves on, accept the dude that starts it that follows and waits to attack from behind.

Don't take chances! If someone attacks you with a weapon. Put them in the hospital.

Agreed
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 28, 2017, 08:11:00 AM
Having read many reports, I have to disagree with most on here.

All seem to agree that the guy floored had earlier attacked someone with a bottle.

Some say stokes.
Some say one of stokes party.
Other say a female not part of stokes group.

If any off that is true, then stokes deserves a medal.
Any scum waving bottles around at people while drunk don't tend to know when to stop, lots of story's in the news about guys fighting. Everyone moves on, accept the dude that starts it that follows and waits to attack from behind.

Don't take chances! If someone attacks you with a weapon. Put them in the hospital.

I tend to agree. Perhaps it's a northern thing? Bottles are a cowards move.

I also think all the talk of going to jail and being banned for life etc. is way over the top, it'll be like Ponting back in the day giving the press conference with a black eye, he'll release a statement saying how sorry he is and how he's let people down etc. and we'll all move on with our lives.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: JTtaylor145 on September 28, 2017, 08:44:34 AM
I am in no way condoning what is alleged but the talk of banning him for life is a bit extreme (and I don't mean a Kookabuura Xtreme).

In a day and age when we see some athletes take drugs and cheat on more than one occasion and still are allowed back to the sport. Violence is not acceptable and both players could have been more sensible by not going out late in public.

But to give some context. Is Wayne Rooney going to be banned by Everton for drink driving? Is Maradona seen as less of a hero in Argentina because he was a drug taking and disgusting cheat (some bias there I appreciate)? There are even some question marks over our great Bobby Moore. Let's face it our cricketing hero's such as Botham and Hammond did some slightly suspect things during their lives.

The problem to a degree is society. We love to build someone up and almost take a perverse pleasure in knocking them down just as fast. These top class sports stars are people and they mess up, the have affairs, they occasional drink too much and they might occasionally cheat on their taxes. Is Messi going to be banned?

Of course Ben should be punished because that might make he modify his behavior in future. Maybe he should miss the winters tour, speak in public about what he did, attend some anger management course and change his life according. Then he should come back to the team and be a force for good.

How is banning him for life good for him, cricket, sport or for the paying public?

People make mistakes, select a suitable punishment, serve your time and come back. 
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 28, 2017, 09:20:30 AM
JT - I actually find myself agreeing with your post.

apart from this bit "Of course Ben should be punished because that might make he modify his behavior in future"  - history would suggest that he's not that good at changing his behaviour.

But as you say - he's only human.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: JTtaylor145 on September 28, 2017, 09:29:47 AM
@FattusCattus you seem to be surprised that you are agreeing with me Brucie???

You are right, there is form with Ben but then form is temporary and aggression is for life?

You just hope this might be the incident that really changes him for good.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 28, 2017, 09:49:36 AM
Don't take chances! If someone attacks you with a weapon. Put them in the hospital.

Oh, please!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 28, 2017, 09:52:26 AM
Perhaps it's a northern thing?

Oh, double please.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 28, 2017, 09:54:06 AM
What is it with pissed-up Rambo's wanting drunken violence? 

If I've had a skinfull, all I want to do is hug everyone (especially a pretty lady), eat something Turkish and go to sleep.

Have you tried ecstasy, Fattus?

Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 28, 2017, 10:15:33 AM
Oh, double please.

That was meant mildly tongue in cheek, untwist your knickers.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 28, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
Have you tried ecstasy, Fattus?

Every day spent in my own company is ecstasy!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 28, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
Have to say I'm quite surprised by the reaction on here, would've thought more people would be condemning Stokes rather than jumping to defend him.

All part and parcel of a public forum though, everyone is entitled to their opinion after all!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: GoodLeave on September 28, 2017, 12:43:29 PM
Oh Ben...

I was hoping this was just a random lashing out. But this is a prolonged assault (Whether or not the guy deserved it). Should have thrown a punch and realised his error. I could have gotten behind that, but this video makes it look really bad.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: tate035 on September 28, 2017, 12:48:58 PM
Have to say I'm quite surprised by the reaction on here, would've thought more people would be condemning Stokes rather than jumping to defend him.

All part and parcel of a public forum though, everyone is entitled to their opinion after all!

Think you will find those of us a little longer in the tooth have learnt to get ALL the facts before we jump to conclusions and condem people..

Also you have to put things into concept. Is what he did worse than what has happened to those girls in Rotherham/Newcastle/Oldham etc? Has he walked into a concert and taken people's lives or maimed them for life?

The majority of us agree his aggression went to far after the lad tried to attack people with a bottle but it didn't warrant the abuse and accusations thrown at him by people like yourself who didn't know the full facts...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 28, 2017, 01:17:27 PM
I'm lost? Have we actually started comparing a pis*ed up brawl to international terrorism? Come on now, lets not start taking things out of context.

Yes he's clearly aggravated by the bottle, I get that and understand that - but equally he didn't need to continually batter the bloke when he'd clearly backed off did he? I'm not saying a reaction wasn't warranted/provoked, I'm saying the decision he chose was too far.

As a side note, I've never claimed to have the full facts - as, unsurprisingly, none of us do. Lets just let this one lie as clearly there's been significant misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: tate035 on September 28, 2017, 01:28:56 PM
I'm lost? Have we actually started comparing a pis*ed up brawl to international terrorism? Come on now, lets not start taking things out of context.

Yes he's clearly aggravated by the bottle, I get that and understand that - but equally he didn't need to continually batter the bloke when he'd clearly backed off did he? I'm not saying a reaction wasn't warranted/provoked, I'm saying the decision he chose was too far.

As a side note, I've never claimed to have the full facts - as, unsurprisingly, none of us do. Lets just let this one lie as clearly there's been significant misunderstanding.

That's my point... If you didn't have the full facts (and you have admitted you don't) then why comment like you did??

I mentioned the other acts of terrorism and abuse against females as they are factual events that have happened yet have get less of a reaction than Stokes..

Hence why this Stokes incident needs to be put in context...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 28, 2017, 01:55:50 PM
That's my point... If you didn't have the full facts (and you have admitted you don't) then why comment like you did??

I mentioned the other acts of terrorism and abuse against females as they are factual events that have happened yet have get less of a reaction than Stokes..

Hence why this Stokes incident needs to be put in context...

If I'm not mistaken, we've both made our views on the incident public - you might want to refer to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black

As for claiming that Ben Stokes is getting more of a reaction than the events of Manchester arena, I literally don't know where to start.

(https://mrmumblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/55d77983c56c9.jpg)
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Big Mac on September 28, 2017, 03:14:55 PM
Think you will find those of us a little longer in the tooth have learnt to get ALL the facts before we jump to conclusions and condem people..

Also you have to put things into concept. Is what he did worse than what has happened to those girls in Rotherham/Newcastle/Oldham etc? Has he walked into a concert and taken people's lives or maimed them for life?

The majority of us agree his aggression went to far after the lad tried to attack people with a bottle but it didn't warrant the abuse and accusations thrown at him by people like yourself who didn't know the full facts...

(https://i.imgur.com/UXOt1hN.gif)
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: edge on September 28, 2017, 08:14:27 PM
Trying to get some Stokes/Hales cardboard masks sorted for the ODI tomorrow!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: FattusCattus on September 29, 2017, 02:05:02 PM
Anyone watching the current game (rather than just debating Benjamin!)?

What is happening with Jake Ball - is he bowling well and just unlucky, is he bowling badly?  He seems to have gone a little bit backwards from his England debut days?

Any views?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: golders on September 29, 2017, 02:09:20 PM
Anyone watching the current game (rather than just debating Benjamin!)?

What is happening with Jake Ball - is he bowling well and just unlucky, is he bowling badly?  He seems to have gone a little bit backwards from his England debut days?

Any views?

I think Plunkett knows his game and would be a far better option than Ball...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 29, 2017, 02:15:15 PM
Can someone please explain the point of Marlon Samuels
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 29, 2017, 02:25:16 PM
Anyone watching the current game (rather than just debating Benjamin!)?

What is happening with Jake Ball - is he bowling well and just unlucky, is he bowling badly?  He seems to have gone a little bit backwards from his England debut days?

Any views?
His bowling doesn't seemed to have progressed. Also he must know  that if you pitch the ball up to Gale just outside off stump he takes  a big swing with his  heavy bat and put you over the fence  landing the ball there once you  could understand  but not when you follow  it with another 3  balls in succession.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Big Mac on September 29, 2017, 02:30:24 PM
Can someone please explain the point of Marlon Samuels

(https://i.imgur.com/mi5g0Og.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8r5azmw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9MkNcfU.jpg)

After all that, Marlon has carte blanche as far as I'm concerned. Absolute hero.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 29, 2017, 03:32:35 PM
Ball really has been awful
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 29, 2017, 03:35:11 PM
Ball really has been awful

Was he as bad as the text commentary I've been following made him sound? Sounded like Curran and Plunkett were head and shoulders above him.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 29, 2017, 03:39:40 PM
concerningly for England Ball as a habit of going for over 80 runs to many times.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: tate035 on September 29, 2017, 03:50:35 PM
If I'm not mistaken, we've both made our views on the incident public - you might want to refer to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black

As for claiming that Ben Stokes is getting more of a reaction than the events of Manchester arena, I literally don't know where to start.

(https://mrmumblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/55d77983c56c9.jpg)

I never actually said that.  :o Again you seem to struggle with facts... And since you mentioned it, I have looked back at the forum and there has been more written about this incident than Manchester..
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Woodyspin on September 29, 2017, 03:59:15 PM
And since you mentioned it, I have looked back at the forum and there has been more written about this incident than Manchester..

That's because there are some keyboard wariors with a space bar as tough as GGG's chin on here
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: tate035 on September 29, 2017, 04:03:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UXOt1hN.gif)

Apologies, I shall try and write in smaller paragraphs with not so many words over 5 letters for you...

You could just use a dictionary.... Oh! You have already done that and got confused... :D :D

IMO of course... ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 29, 2017, 06:44:06 PM
Well done Bairstow game had an end of season look about it though.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 29, 2017, 06:50:32 PM
Well done Bairstow game had an end of season look about it though.


YJB has surely now cemented his place in the side.

Since his recall Jason Roy has looked good too. Shame he didn't ton up but 87 and 96 is surely enough he's guaranteed his spot too.

If he's picked again, will Alex Hales get straight back on or do England stick with these two?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 29, 2017, 06:57:11 PM


YJB has surely now cemented his place in the side.

Since his recall Jason Roy has looked good too. Shame he didn't ton up but 87 and 96 is surely enough he's guaranteed his spot too.

If he's picked again, will Alex Hales get straight back on or do England stick with these two?

Stick
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: rickjames on September 29, 2017, 07:07:12 PM
Root overtakes a Mr. Kohli to become the 3rd fastest player to 4000 runs in ODIs
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Big Mac on September 29, 2017, 10:30:41 PM
I never actually said that.  :o Again you seem to struggle with facts... And since you mentioned it, I have looked back at the forum and there has been more written about this incident than Manchester..

A cricket forum talked more about cricket than terrorism?

I am shocked...
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: golders on September 29, 2017, 10:52:25 PM
Bairstow's ODI average has shot up to almost 50 after his 2 tons... Class act!
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on September 30, 2017, 08:22:27 AM
Does Bairstows and Roy's performance at the top of the order put Morgan in danger again with Hales & Stokes both to eventually come back?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Manormanic on September 30, 2017, 08:23:50 AM
I doubt it, he, like Iron Gloves Buttler, is basically untouchable.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 30, 2017, 08:30:32 AM
Roy has always been the right man for the job, he just needed to give himself half a chance to get in first, even the very best players play themselves in a bit....

So pleased he has got runs now he is young and will improve.

Bairstow...well he's been in the best 5 batsmen in the Country for a while now, the problem has been getting him in ahead of someone else. If you were being ruthless you might say he should of played instead of Morgan for the last 12 months

But it does show we are so strong someone comes in and gets big runs when another player missed out for whatever reason.

Bairstow stays in for me opening and so does Roy.

Hales may or may not be in danger of loosing his contract with Stokes, but even if he was available has to sit out.

The only way to get Hales back in would be for Morgan. That's harsh but there's no other spaces.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 30, 2017, 08:43:15 AM
Root overtakes a Mr. Kohli to become the 3rd fastest player to 4000 runs in ODIs

Never heard of him.

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT




 :D
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 30, 2017, 08:46:06 AM
Roy has always been the right man for the job, he just needed to give himself half a chance to get in first, even the very best players play themselves in a bit....

So pleased he has got runs now he is young and will improve.

Bairstow...well he's been in the best 5 batsmen in the Country for a while now, the problem has been getting him in ahead of someone else. If you were being ruthless you might say he should of played instead of Morgan for the last 12 months

But it does show we are so strong someone comes in and gets big runs when another player missed out for whatever reason.

Bairstow stays in for me opening and so does Roy.

Hales may or may not be in danger of loosing his contract with Stokes, but even if he was available has to sit out.

The only way to get Hales back in would be for Morgan. That's harsh but there's no other spaces.
For one dayers Pick your inform players  then the Capt.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: ppccopener on September 30, 2017, 08:53:59 AM
For one dayers Pick your inform players  then the Capt.

Yes.....but not quite as easy as that. Morgan and Bayliss have absolutely transformed our one day cricket in 2 years. The captain has a big influence on how we play now.

There's some credit in the bank for Morgan maybe? We are a completely different side to 24 months ago.

Tough call....
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: joeljonno on September 30, 2017, 08:58:26 AM
For one dayers Pick your inform players  then the Capt.

Drop the ones who bring the game in to disrepute by fighting in the streets.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 30, 2017, 09:10:37 AM
Drop the ones who bring the game in to disrepute by fighting in the streets.
Should have written when full squad available
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Buzz on September 30, 2017, 10:10:39 AM
The odi selections are nice problems to have. The next load of ODIs are after the Ashes. Root will be rested to free up a slot for Hales and who knows about Stokes.

In a month's time there will be the headline "massive ashes boost as stokes is available" with mention of a fine in the small print of the article.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: tate035 on September 30, 2017, 10:16:45 AM
A cricket forum talked more about cricket than terrorism?

I am shocked...

Mmmmm.... Why I am I not surprised?
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 30, 2017, 12:37:02 PM
The odi selections are nice problems to have. The next load of ODIs are after the Ashes. Root will be rested to free up a slot for Hales and who knows about Stokes.

In a month's time there will be the headline "massive ashes boost as stokes is available" with mention of a fine in the small print of the article.
Yep that's what i reckon.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: Alvaro on September 30, 2017, 12:54:35 PM
Eoin Morgan is the best England captain since Brearley. Plus he always scores runs against the Aussies.
Title: Re: Eng vs WI ODI/T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on September 30, 2017, 02:47:40 PM
I am sure they are ALL loving the "unintended consequences" of one person's juvenile behavior. Good job!

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/648770/ben-stokes-fight-arrested-england-cricket (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/648770/ben-stokes-fight-arrested-england-cricket)