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Title: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on September 15, 2017, 06:41:29 PM
Had thought about it for a while, but recently took the plunge to pick up a part made off the forum and got shaping - so here is my first batmaking attempt. Decided to aim for a fairly classic shape with a long middle and full profile, but in a short blade/longer handle combo - coming out to roughtly 1/2" longer than a standard bat.

Started out with one H4L partmade:
(https://s26.postimg.org/x9wrgcos9/IMG_20170909_130927.jpg)

After shaping she looked like this:
(https://s26.postimg.org/n681k781l/IMG_20170915_142510_01.jpg)

And after a good sand here we are, went for a Laver-esque toe:
(https://s26.postimg.org/mhz7199bt/IMG_20170915_170411.jpg)
(https://s26.postimg.org/edr2wimwp/IMG_20170915_170241.jpg)
(https://s26.postimg.org/wt6yg6bnd/IMG_20170915_170325.jpg)

Concaving? No thanks.
(https://s26.postimg.org/yeqtlqb95/IMG_20170915_170128_01.jpg)
(https://s26.postimg.org/az4b2n249/IMG_20170915_170113_01.jpg)

Angled toe to stop feathering
(https://s26.postimg.org/7puh9x3eh/IMG_20170915_170307_01.jpg)

Still needs binding, pressing cracks glueing and a bit of a final polish, but I'm pretty happy! Shape came out well after some warming my way into working on it, wasn't planning to have the middle extend as high up as it does but liked the way it came out! She's on the weighty side at roughly 2.10 in current form so I'm hopeful it'll come out around 2.12 which I'm fine with, bit heavier than I'd usually use but wanted to keep as much wood in there as possible, it feels good in the hands so we'll see how we go. Tapping it up feels very nice indeed so I'm feeling hopeful!
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: Gurujames on September 15, 2017, 06:45:57 PM
Not much wrong with that. Good job.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: play-yourself-in on September 15, 2017, 07:06:58 PM
Great job, i hope she goes well for you.  I guess if you play with a bat you've made yourself there is no one left to blame for a bad day at the crease...i wouldn't like that!!!!  :)
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: ppccopener on September 15, 2017, 07:18:15 PM
To be fair Dr Edge.....that's a pretty impressive effort for a first go.

You will be giving us hackers who failed in woodwork lessons at school ideas we might be able to have a go.

It's not east thou and the master batmakers really are that....superb at what they do.

The key thing after the shape is right is balance thou correct?

What does it feel like now ? Is it acceptable as it is like one you might get from a shop?

Top effort .
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: DorsetDan on September 15, 2017, 07:31:02 PM
Cracking effort, looks great!
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on September 15, 2017, 07:47:22 PM
Thanks all! @ppccopener I think the balance feels pretty good to me and should obviously improve with binding and grips, looking forward to getting it properly finished off and really seeing how it feels to bat with but at the moment I reckon it feels pretty nice in the hands. I'm obviously a bit biased though ha so looking froward to seeing what other people make of it as well!
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 16, 2017, 01:08:00 AM
If i ever have a crack at shaping i hope my first effort is half as good . Well done sir !
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: LBWCandidate on September 16, 2017, 05:53:10 PM
Looks good..I would prefer this shape if pickup is good!
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: KW9221 on September 16, 2017, 07:24:44 PM
Nice Work! It is something I would prefer to use.

Send the specs to B3 so I can order a custom made of this shape.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on September 16, 2017, 11:47:38 PM
Nice Work! It is something I would prefer to use.

Send the specs to B3 so I can order a custom made of this shape.
You flatter me! Do feel free to send the profile photo to the Doc if you genuinely fancy one, I believe that's all he needs.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: Churchy1989 on September 18, 2017, 10:57:50 AM
Top work Edge
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: JK Lewis on September 18, 2017, 05:11:46 PM
Fantastic work @edge , it looks great! Give it a really nice polish and then get some cool labels made up. Monster runs next season!
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on September 18, 2017, 05:56:05 PM
Fantastic work @edge , it looks great! Give it a really nice polish and then get some cool labels made up. Monster runs next season!
Cheers @JK Lewis , if I can get anywhere close to your feats with a self-made bat I'll be over the moon! Had been planning on keeping it plain but the idea of getting some stickers done is tempting me hard...
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: Seniorplayer on September 18, 2017, 06:41:18 PM
Thanks all! @ppccopener I think the balance feels pretty good to me and should obviously improve with binding and grips, looking forward to getting it properly finished off and really seeing how it feels to bat with but at the moment I reckon it feels pretty nice in the hands. I'm obviously a bit biased though ha so looking froward to seeing what other people make of it as well!

If the pick up feels right then the balance is right. Well done.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: FattusCattus on September 19, 2017, 08:44:29 AM
Cheers @JK Lewis , if I can get anywhere close to your feats with a self-made bat I'll be over the moon! Had been planning on keeping it plain but the idea of getting some stickers done is tempting me hard...

Stickers is always a nice touch, however I'm not sure of the benefits of branding it 'Edge Bats'  ;)
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: DorsetDan on September 19, 2017, 09:04:23 AM
Stickers is always a nice touch, however I'm not sure of the benefits of branding it 'Edge Bats'  ;)

A collaboration brought to you in conjunction with Duck and Run and Woodworm  :D
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on September 19, 2017, 09:35:44 AM
Stickers is always a nice touch, however I'm not sure of the benefits of branding it 'Edge Bats'  ;)
"Edge bats - if you can't find the middle, at least you've got the Edge!" :D
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on September 25, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
Twine turned up in the post at the weekend so here we are, all done. Sanded up to a nice finish, and went old school with black binding. 2.12 on the nose with one grip, picks up nicely - happy edge! Just need to get it knocked in for forum nets now.

(https://s26.postimg.org/qqbwfqevt/IMG_20170925_151915.jpg)
(https://s26.postimg.org/flmxugh5l/IMG_20170925_152747.jpg)
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: Buzz on September 25, 2017, 03:16:15 PM
Looks good, you have done a great job with that.

If I could have one ask this winter it would be cor loads more threads like this!
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on September 25, 2017, 05:36:23 PM
Looks good, you have done a great job with that.

If I could have one ask this winter it would be cor loads more threads like this!
Thanks @Buzz , I'm really pleased with it - turned out much better than I thought it would for a first attempt! Would definitely encourage anyone thinking of it to have a go at shaping.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: DorsetDan on September 25, 2017, 05:54:51 PM
Carbon fibre binding next time? :)
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on September 25, 2017, 06:09:07 PM
Carbon fibre binding next time? :)
It's definitely on the cards when I get my hands on a bit more workspace! Kevlar/aramid composite wrap of the handle is the way forward I reckon, watch this space.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: InternalTraining on September 25, 2017, 06:20:15 PM
very nicely done, @edge !
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on November 03, 2017, 06:57:23 PM
Have been reminded that I haven't posted photos of the stickers! Went quite minimalist, what do you think?
(http://s1.postimg.org/9kv9u07r7z/IMG_20171004_151416.jpg)
(http://s1.postimg.org/6bw5xckwqn/IMG_20171004_151444.jpg)
(http://s1.postimg.org/4k372g2epr/IMG_20171004_151519.jpg)
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: Northern monkey on November 03, 2017, 07:28:31 PM
I've just finished a part made from Matt today.
Yours looks a cracking job!
Really like the stickers.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: Alvaro on November 03, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
Fantastic @edge You must be pleased as punch.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: t2ylo on November 03, 2017, 08:14:34 PM
Love this thread - well done mate it looks fantastic
First ton with your self made bat, thatís a moment right there.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: Gurujames on November 03, 2017, 08:24:18 PM
Often Less is more with branding and the stickers have a classy look. Personally I'm unsure about square toes as I haven't experienced one myself, but it looks like a very useable bat. What is it's weight?
Good job. Will we see it at nets in a few weeks?
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on November 03, 2017, 10:54:00 PM
Love this thread - well done mate it looks fantastic
First ton with your self made bat, thatís a moment right there.
Thanks mate, self made bat is stage one complete at least! Will get working on the ton ;)

@Gurujames thought I'd go for a Laver-style toe as quite like it personally, will see how it holds up! Not too worried about cracking with the corners rounded off. Bare and with one grip it was 2.12, in current state with two grips and stickers/scuff she's a healthy 2.14. Fingers crossed I'll get the necessary pass for nets, if so then it'll definitely make an appearance.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: jamesisapayne on November 04, 2017, 10:58:07 PM
Cracking stuff Ed looks a real top quality effort, finished really well and a lovely shape.

Where did you get the stickers from?
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on November 05, 2017, 06:47:10 AM
Cracking stuff Ed looks a real top quality effort, finished really well and a lovely shape.

Where did you get the stickers from?
Thanks mate! Got a few sets printed up by a local vinyl printers who did a decent job.
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: edge on April 05, 2018, 01:01:51 PM
Was just thinking we haven't had enough bat making threads on the forum lately, so.thought I'd post an update ;) Been out in the garden sanding up this one this afternoon, quite pleased with how it's coming! Just need to work on a better method for binding the handle...

(https://s7.postimg.org/cnd9kjw57/IMG_20180405_135145_02.jpg)
Title: Re: My first bat shaping effort
Post by: Yorkershire on April 05, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
Was just thinking we haven't had enough bat making threads on the forum lately, so.thought I'd post an update ;) Been out in the garden sanding up this one this afternoon, quite pleased with how it's coming! Just need to work on a better method for binding the handle...

(https://s7.postimg.org/cnd9kjw57/IMG_20180405_135145_02.jpg)

Looks a great effort!
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: jamesisapayne on April 05, 2018, 01:46:08 PM
Looking lovely Ed!

Did you use any of the tools you had off me yet?

Also did you see the youtube video I made a while back - made a cordless drill-powered binding lathe with some wood, pillow bearings and threaded rod.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edJ0CsAZbmI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edJ0CsAZbmI)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 05, 2018, 01:49:22 PM
Looking lovely Ed!

Did you use any of the tools you had off me yet?

Also did you see the youtube video I made a while back - made a cordless drill-powered binding lathe with some wood, pillow bearings and threaded rod.
Yeah they were dead useful for doing the shoulders on this, thanks mate - much better than just relying on a rasp like I did for the previous bat! Didn't see the video, can you post a link? Sounds like the kind of thing I'm considering knocking up so could be quite useful!
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: jamesisapayne on April 05, 2018, 03:46:23 PM
Didn't see the video, can you post a link? Sounds like the kind of thing I'm considering knocking up so could be quite useful!

Attached it to the last post mate but here it is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edJ0CsAZbmI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edJ0CsAZbmI)

Do you want it?
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 05, 2018, 04:32:06 PM
I'll drop you a PM.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: JK Lewis on April 08, 2018, 12:47:27 PM
Lovely job mate well done. Perfect timing for the season, we just need the sun to come out!  :)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: potzy248 on April 08, 2018, 07:53:27 PM
Yip, pretty good job there mate. Big fan of the finished product.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 23, 2018, 05:38:50 PM
Other projects have got in the way lately but I've got round to getting bat #002 finished, very pleased with this one. My take on the very popular Joe Root type slight duckbill shape, with a rounded spine as I've always liked them but never owned one myself. Serbian G1 cleft with all the grains you could wish for, 2lb11 and picks up really nicely - if you ask me anyway! I'll let the pictures do the rest of the talking:

(https://s7.postimg.cc/4o8l4twgr/IMG_20180423_165906.jpg)
(https://s7.postimg.cc/dj9ffd8ej/IMG_20180423_165917_01.jpg)
(https://s7.postimg.cc/63a5t6ffv/IMG_20180423_165806.jpg)
(https://s7.postimg.cc/kmhaukt57/IMG_20180423_165819.jpg)
(https://s7.postimg.cc/acevvbnu3/IMG_20180423_165720.jpg)
(https://s7.postimg.cc/qnezrnnh7/IMG_20180423_165746.jpg)
(https://s7.postimg.cc/sf7ymjrej/IMG_20180423_165738_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Buzz on April 23, 2018, 06:01:31 PM
Absolutely lovely bat well done.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: InternalTraining on April 23, 2018, 06:24:24 PM
... Serbian G1 cleft with all the grains you could wish for, 2lb11 and picks up really nicely - if you ask me anyway!

Very nicely done!

What do you think of the Serbian willow?

How's the bat's ping?
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: JK Lewis on April 23, 2018, 07:21:37 PM
Awesome job again Ed, really well done. The profile is fantastic, I'd best get over your way for some lessons. Get busy knocking it in, have a go with it this weekend!  :)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 23, 2018, 07:23:22 PM
Very nicely done!

What do you think of the Serbian willow?

How's the bat's ping?
It's just the same as normal willow to be honest! The two I've had have been quite dry though so a little harder to work with, but as a finished product I doubt many people could spot the difference. Will be interested to see how this one plays - high hopes as tapping it up is very good.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Biggie Smalls on April 24, 2018, 07:37:29 AM
That looks awesome !
It actually reminds me of an ST .....only the photos weren't of the bat on a rock next to the ocean . :D
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Neon Cricket on April 24, 2018, 08:22:16 AM
Lovely bat Ed, top work!


What do you think of the Serbian willow?

Just to add my two cents, the Serbian willow bat that I had as a bit of a tester has now become my match bat... honestly the performance is as good, if not better, than anything I've had previously. Highly recommended from a personal standpoint.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on April 24, 2018, 08:34:06 AM
Really like the shape of the handle. Almost rectangular by the look of it.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 24, 2018, 08:49:42 AM
Really like the shape of the handle. Almost rectangular by the look of it.
Cheers, I'm a big believer in a solid handle/shoulders being a really important part of the bat so I try and take out as little as possible around there when blending the shoulders in to the handle - right at the bottom it's quite square sided where it follows the shoulders, then smooths into a nice traditional oval for the main section of the handle.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: sgcricket on April 24, 2018, 08:52:42 AM
Looks really good. Great work there!
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: InternalTraining on April 24, 2018, 01:47:37 PM
Just to add my two cents, the Serbian willow bat that I had as a bit of a tester has now become my match bat... honestly the performance is as good, if not better, than anything I've had previously. Highly recommended from a personal standpoint.

Thanks for sharing this. Even though Serbian willow is great, it is not a cost effective substitute for English willow as prices are not much different. True?
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: jblowe on April 24, 2018, 01:52:46 PM
I like the landscaped garden!!! and the bat is not bad either
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Neon Cricket on April 30, 2018, 02:17:43 PM
Thanks for sharing this. Even though Serbian willow is great, it is not a cost effective substitute for English willow as prices are not much different. True?

They're only slightly cheaper once the importing costs are taken into account, but it's more a case of the supply being abundant compared to EW. It's no secret that EW is in vast demand, which isn't currently being met, so hopefully the Serbian Willow can help with the shortage (plus the trees are much older meaning the grain lovers amongst us should be pleased!)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on May 31, 2018, 04:08:54 PM
#003 is a bit of a beast, got a very light cleft and so tried to make the biggest bat I could from it with just a smidge of concaving. 2lb10, not the prettiest but she's definitely a pinger, I'm looking forward to giving this one a go.

(https://s15.postimg.cc/5n5t52s5n/IMG_20180531_143059.jpg)
(https://s15.postimg.cc/d352qzaqz/IMG_20180531_143254_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: InternalTraining on May 31, 2018, 05:36:20 PM
Big bat for 2-10!! Nice shape too.

Spine is running along the blade. How's the pickup?
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: i12breakfree on May 31, 2018, 05:41:23 PM
Looks really nice..thick full profile
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on June 01, 2018, 11:57:45 AM
Bat gauge arrived, good job I don't play professional cricket ;)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/5czo7xcy3/IMG_20180601_125209_01.jpg)

@InternalTraining picks up really nicely I think, very pleased with the balance.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on July 17, 2018, 10:58:17 AM
Hard at work shaping a couple ready for CBF Vs Kilve  today

(https://s22.postimg.cc/g5ob8ypmp/IMG_20180717_115617.jpg)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on July 17, 2018, 12:22:59 PM
Ready for sanding

(https://s22.postimg.cc/vrfa462jl/IMG_20180717_132042.jpg)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on July 26, 2018, 08:57:33 AM
Will post more photos later but here they are ready to head down to Kilve today, two lovely sticks:
(https://s22.postimg.cc/xzu0fp7sh/IMG_20180726_093747.jpg)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on July 27, 2018, 03:18:21 PM
Face and profile shots of #004 and #005:

(https://s33.postimg.cc/gpbpvsikv/IMG_20180726_093838.jpg)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/dih6c9dlb/IMG_20180726_093622.jpg)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/3l65j8nzz/IMG_20180726_093713.jpg)

Very pleased with these, particularly the shape of #004 - aimed to pack all the wood into where it counts so it's a very full convex middle and the weight and balance has been taken elsewhere where it isn't needed. Both approx 2.11 and both will be up for sale so feel free to get in touch ;)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Gurujames on July 27, 2018, 03:21:38 PM
Lovely full oval handles on these too. Great work ed.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: SLA on July 27, 2018, 03:35:35 PM
Bat gauge arrived, good job I don't play professional cricket ;)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/5czo7xcy3/IMG_20180601_125209_01.jpg)

@InternalTraining picks up really nicely I think, very pleased with the balance.

Actually, unless your league has specifically written an exception into its playing conditions, it applies to all levels of cricket.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on July 27, 2018, 03:41:21 PM
Actually, unless your league has specifically written an exception into its playing conditions, it applies to all levels of cricket.
Not yet it doesn't - delayed for clubbies until 2020, and even then noone in my league will be checking.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 27, 2018, 04:33:19 PM
Actually, unless your league has specifically written an exception into its playing conditions, it applies to all levels of cricket.

I don't think that is the case. As Edge says unless it's specifically stated it won't effect club players until at least 2020.
I'm sure there was something about being able to continue using illegal sticks for the natural life of the bat too, but I'm not sure that is enforceable.

Out of curiosity I just checked the rules for the league I play in, there wasn't a single mention of bats under the equipment section, but a thrilling 2 pages detailing the size and location of sponsors logos that are permitted on shirts and jumpers!
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 23, 2019, 11:25:02 AM
Been a while since the last post on here, but here's a fresh stick in the finishing stages, destined for a forumite:

(https://i.postimg.cc/qMX4y0RT/IMG-20190423-120143.jpg)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: LukeFramBurton on April 23, 2019, 12:11:49 PM
Iíve not seen a clamp like that since A Level biology!

Looks a lovely shape, Iíll be keeping an eye out for the pictures of the finished article.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 23, 2019, 12:44:16 PM
Iíve not seen a clamp like that since A Level biology!
Why were you using a bike workstand in biology?! 😂
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: SLA on April 23, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
I don't think that is the case. As Edge says unless it's specifically stated it won't effect club players until at least 2020.
I'm sure there was something about being able to continue using illegal sticks for the natural life of the bat too, but I'm not sure that is enforceable.

Out of curiosity I just checked the rules for the league I play in, there wasn't a single mention of bats under the equipment section, but a thrilling 2 pages detailing the size and location of sponsors logos that are permitted on shirts and jumpers!

It's in the Laws, so the only case in which it doesn't apply is if the local playing conditions explicitly contradict it.

"5.7 Bat size limits
5.7.1 The overall length of the bat, when the lower portion of the handle is inserted, shall not be more than 38 in/96.52 cm.
5.7.2 The blade of the bat shall not exceed the following dimensions:
Width: 4.25in / 10.8 cm
Depth: 2.64in / 6.7 cm
Edges: 1.56in / 4.0cm."

Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: alexhilly1492 on April 23, 2019, 01:28:53 PM
It's in the Laws, so the only case in which it doesn't apply is if the local playing conditions explicitly contradict it.

"5.7 Bat size limits
5.7.1 The overall length of the bat, when the lower portion of the handle is inserted, shall not be more than 38 in/96.52 cm.
5.7.2 The blade of the bat shall not exceed the following dimensions:
Width: 4.25in / 10.8 cm
Depth: 2.64in / 6.7 cm
Edges: 1.56in / 4.0cm."

yeah, thats for professional cricket or any new bats manufactured after a certiain date if those bats wanted to be used in first class cricket etc,

they also said the natural lifespan of any bats manufactured before the laws changed then the no pro player could still use them.

if this was to be enforced on all old bats can you imagine how many amateurs would have to buy a new bat or stop playing! it would be stupid!
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: SLA on April 23, 2019, 02:01:47 PM
yeah, thats for professional cricket or any new bats manufactured after a certiain date if those bats wanted to be used in first class cricket etc,

they also said the natural lifespan of any bats manufactured before the laws changed then the no pro player could still use them.

if this was to be enforced on all old bats can you imagine how many amateurs would have to buy a new bat or stop playing! it would be stupid!

What makes you think that? These are literally the laws of cricket. All cricket in the UK is by default played by these laws unless local playing conditions specifically override them.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: alexhilly1492 on April 23, 2019, 02:11:25 PM
What makes you think that? These are literally the laws of cricket. All cricket in the UK is by default played by these laws unless local playing conditions specifically override them.

the announcement from the ICC at the time of the change.

it was made very clear then, Im looking for the article now
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: SLA on April 23, 2019, 03:08:28 PM
the announcement from the ICC at the time of the change.

it was made very clear then, Im looking for the article now

What the ICC thinks is irrelevant, the ICC are not the ultimate authority on the laws of cricket, the MCC are, and if its in the laws, then its in the laws.

Our league regulations state "Matches shall be conducted in accordance with M.C.C. Laws with the exceptions contained in these Rules", I'm sure yours do too.

They also say nothing about bat size regulations that overrules Law 5.7. Thus, those regulations ARE in force in our league. They'll be in effect by default in every league in the UK, that hasn't explicitly inserted a clause into its playing regulations to override it.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Northern monkey on April 23, 2019, 03:11:36 PM
Edge,,,,,lovely lovely shape,,,,picks up like a feather Iíll bet
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: six and out on April 23, 2019, 03:44:43 PM
What the ICC thinks is irrelevant, the ICC are not the ultimate authority on the laws of cricket, the MCC are, and if its in the laws, then its in the laws.

Our league regulations state "Matches shall be conducted in accordance with M.C.C. Laws with the exceptions contained in these Rules", I'm sure yours do too.

They also say nothing about bat size regulations that overrules Law 5.7. Thus, those regulations ARE in force in our league. They'll be in effect by default in every league in the UK, that hasn't explicitly inserted a clause into its playing regulations to override it.

From B3's website about the changes. They are not in force in the recreational game yet.

https://b3cricket.com/latest/mcc-law-cricket-bat-size-regulations/

Also - lovely shape and looking bat @edge
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: SLA on April 23, 2019, 03:50:45 PM
From B3's website about the changes. They are not in force in the recreational game yet.

https://b3cricket.com/latest/mcc-law-cricket-bat-size-regulations/

Also - lovely shape and looking bat @edge

I love B3, but that's nonsense.

The bat size regulations are now part of the laws, like they're literally written there in black and white. They're as much as part of the laws as the lbw rule. The laws of cricket apply to every game of cricket, whether amateur or professional. Unless the game you are playing in has specific exemptions written into the playing conditions, then this applies to you.

I'm not sure how clearer I can make this. What is it that you're not understanding? Do you not understand that they're in the laws, or do you not understand that the laws apply to all forms of cricket unless overruled by specific playing conditions?



Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: alexhilly1492 on April 23, 2019, 03:53:54 PM
I love B3, but that's nonsense.

The bat size regulations are now part of the laws, like they're literally written there in black and white. They're as much as part of the laws as the lbw rule. The laws of cricket apply to every game of cricket, whether amateur or professional. Unless the game you are playing in has specific exemptions written into the playing conditions, then this applies to you.

I'm not sure how clearer I can make this. What is it that you're not understanding? Do you not understand that they're in the laws, or do you not understand that the laws apply to all forms of cricket unless overruled by specific playing conditions?

MCC has announced specific limitations on the size of cricket bats that will be included in the new Code of Laws.

Bat size limitations to become Law, modes of dismissal to be reduced and language of the Laws to cater for both sexes.
Batsmen will be protected from Ďbouncing batí run outs.
New Code of Laws will be the first to be issued since 2000.
After the new Code is issued on 1 October 2017, the maximum dimensions of a cricket bat will be 108mm in width, 67mm in depth with 40mm edges.

The move comes after consultations with bat manufacturers, the Federation of International Cricketersí Associations, International Cricket Council, MCC World Cricket committee, umpiresí associations and other global governing bodies on the balance between bat and ball.

A bat gauge will ensure that the new limits are adhered to in the professional game, whilst a moratorium period, allowing players to use their existing bats which may be in breach of the Law, will be allowed in the amateur game. The length of the moratorium will be determined by local governing bodies and may vary for different levels of cricket

to quote @SLA  "Im not sure how clearer I can make this..." read the above including the red part
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: SLA on April 23, 2019, 04:00:49 PM
MCC has announced specific limitations on the size of cricket bats that will be included in the new Code of Laws.

Bat size limitations to become Law, modes of dismissal to be reduced and language of the Laws to cater for both sexes.
Batsmen will be protected from Ďbouncing batí run outs.
New Code of Laws will be the first to be issued since 2000.
After the new Code is issued on 1 October 2017, the maximum dimensions of a cricket bat will be 108mm in width, 67mm in depth with 40mm edges.

The move comes after consultations with bat manufacturers, the Federation of International Cricketersí Associations, International Cricket Council, MCC World Cricket committee, umpiresí associations and other global governing bodies on the balance between bat and ball.

A bat gauge will ensure that the new limits are adhered to in the professional game, whilst a moratorium period, allowing players to use their existing bats which may be in breach of the Law, will be allowed in the amateur game.

to quote @SLA  "Im not sure how clearer I can make this..." read the above including the red part

Sigh. Why are you quoting an old out-of-date press release at me? Obviously I've read the old press release, I read it at the time, I'm well aware of what they claimed they were going to do, I'm not an idiot.


But the bottom line is, whether or not that is what they intended, it isn't what has happened. The new bat size limits ARE part of the laws, and the laws apply to all forms of cricket, by default.

So you can forget all this (No Swearing Please) about a moratorium until 2020. Unless your league has written an exemption into its playing conditions, the bat size laws do apply to YOUR league and have done so since the moment law 5.7 was introduced.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: SLA on April 23, 2019, 04:03:25 PM
I just checked the rules for the league I play in, there wasn't a single mention of bats under the equipment section

So law 5.7 is in force by default then, because presumably your league regs also say "All games to be played according to MCC Laws of cricket unless stated otherwise".
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 23, 2019, 04:07:49 PM
Edge,,,,,lovely lovely shape,,,,picks up like a feather Iíll bet
Thanks mate, really pleased with how this one's turned out.

Big bats are definitely ok as long as you play below ECB prem leagues, similar to carbon handles etc etc. Perhaps take it to the bat laws thread if people really want to discuss the minutiae further!
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Gurujames on April 23, 2019, 04:14:23 PM
Good work Ed. Looks like a nice high middle and no doubt your trademark awesome shaped handle. Good job.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: SLA on April 23, 2019, 04:22:55 PM
Thanks mate, really pleased with how this one's turned out.

Big bats are definitely ok as long as you play below ECB prem leagues, similar to carbon handles etc etc. Perhaps take it to the bat laws thread if people really want to discuss the minutiae further!

Do you actually have a link to an actual law or regulation that states that though? Or is this just hearsay?
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: DorsetDan on April 23, 2019, 04:38:35 PM
Lookiní awesome Ed! Anything new for yourself this season?

SLA can you please quit clogging up threads repeating the same thing over and over? Maybe you are right maybe not.  Letís focus on the original thread eh
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 23, 2019, 05:07:35 PM
Lookiní awesome Ed! Anything new for yourself this season?
Cheers Dan, in an unusual move for me I haven't got any new sticks this year, although keeping this one for myself was tempting! The big one that started all this bat size chat off went so well last year I'm not even considering replacing it.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Tailendfielder on April 23, 2019, 05:26:34 PM
Looks good Ed!
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: thecord on April 23, 2019, 07:52:37 PM
Nice work again Ed, hope youíre well and ready for the new season
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: velvetsky01 on April 23, 2019, 07:59:24 PM
Love the shape Ed your bat making skills are coming on no end!!
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 23, 2019, 10:58:03 PM
Nice work again Ed, hope youíre well and ready for the new season
Cheers Phil, looking forawrd to starting again! Best of luck to you and the Fram this year too.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 25, 2019, 01:04:06 PM
All done and it's come up really nice I think, good size bat for a concave back and lovely looking butterfly stains:

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJfLN9pt/IMG-20190425-131901.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NM4GKyfg/IMG-20190425-132052.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/sXyDfPz6/IMG-20190425-132108.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/3x4wtJ9B/IMG-20190425-132126-01.jpg)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: alexhilly1492 on April 25, 2019, 01:16:01 PM
That's looks awesome mate

Love the character in that blade
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: jamesisapayne on April 25, 2019, 02:35:50 PM
Lovely stuff Ed, some proper butterfly markings on that and nice looking grains - your workmanship is looking great!
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Chompy9760 on April 26, 2019, 01:21:26 AM
You are a true craftsman Edge - they are all beautifully done!

Just a question on the last one, with all that irregularities on the bottom half of the blade, why wasn't the handle put in the other end?  I assume it was a partmade?
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 26, 2019, 01:33:18 AM
Cheers @Chompy9760 , very kind! It was a part made yep, but I would have done the same if I was handling it myself. The marks in the lower half of the blade are all just butterfly stains, which won't negatively affect the bat at all - in fact the stained areas usually ping a little better, so the one you can see showing through around the middle of the bat is actually in a great position on the blade. More importantly, most maker's first priority when choosing which end to handle is how the grains run through either end of the cleft, and the grains are beautifully straight through the toe, so it's ideal from that point of view too.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: JK Lewis on April 26, 2019, 01:36:59 AM
Nice work again Ed. Another bat, another ton? Best wishes for the new season.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Chompy9760 on April 26, 2019, 02:07:58 AM
Cheers @Chompy9760 , very kind! It was a part made yep, but I would have done the same if I was handling it myself. The marks in the lower half of the blade are all just butterfly stains, which won't negatively affect the bat at all - in fact the stained areas usually ping a little better, so the one you can see showing through around the middle of the bat is actually in a great position on the blade. More importantly, most maker's first priority when choosing which end to handle is how the grains run through either end of the cleft, and the grains are beautifully straight through the toe, so it's ideal from that point of view too.

Thanks for the reply - fair enough!  I can only judge from the pics, but the grains at the top of the bat also look lovely and straight, however I don't know what's under the sticker!

I've spent a fair bit of time cutting and splitting wood with an axe, and while I can't vouch for 'ping', I can tell you without doubt that it's at least twice as hard to split wood with with knots in it Vs straight grains.  Anyone swinging an axe aims to avoid the irregularites if possible, to get the most split wood with the least ammount of effort.  So I'm certain that you have a durable bat that is most unlikely to split. :)  I'll take that over looks any day.

The worst thing about having a durable bat, is that it lowers your chances of needing to make/buy another one :D
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 26, 2019, 02:49:44 AM
Nice work again Ed. Another bat, another ton? Best wishes for the new season.
Ha thanks Justin, hopeful for more this season but not with this one - it's off to someone else, so hopefully they get a few too.

@Chompy9760 sounds like you might be unfamiliar with butterfly stain - no knots here! Butterfly is a staining of the wood caused when the tree is pruned or branches crack off and some of the colouring from the bark leaks into the wood - looks a bit funny to some but makes bloody good bats. https://www.laverwood.com/laver-woods-cricket-bat-lore-ch-5-butterfly-willow/ (https://www.laverwood.com/laver-woods-cricket-bat-lore-ch-5-butterfly-willow/)
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: Chompy9760 on April 26, 2019, 03:37:02 AM
Not totally unfamiliar with butterfly, but obviously have plenty to learn!  Thanks for the link.  With a closer look I can see that the grains indeed go through the stain.

Sorry, I did not meed to imply that your bat had knots in it!  I remember reading on the JS Wright website that butterfly added to the strength of the bat, and was adding to it with my axe experiences.  Regrdless, I wouldn't be too proud to own that bat :)


Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: jonny77 on April 26, 2019, 06:41:06 AM
Great effort again @edge. Did you find the Butterfly willow different to work with? I remember in one of Aldreds videos he's says he prefers working with it.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on April 26, 2019, 01:11:33 PM
Great effort again @edge. Did you find the Butterfly willow different to work with? I remember in one of Aldreds videos he's says he prefers working with it.
I don't find it too different to be honest, other than it can be a bit harder around the stain so you need to pay extra attention there.
Title: Re: Edge batmaking
Post by: edge on July 12, 2019, 05:13:48 PM
Bat 007 ready for one of my clubmates, really pleased with the shape on this one. 2lb9.5 and just nips though the bat gauge.

(https://i.postimg.cc/w3m92HBM/IMG-20190712-175957.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3m92HBM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mzT6HYh7/IMG-20190712-180010.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mzT6HYh7)