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Title: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: FattusCattus on January 30, 2018, 01:24:01 PM
By that I mean guys picked in the test side as batters, but who were occasionally asked to turn their arms over and were more than useful, and may have even picked up a few wickets - I use Root as my current benchmark here:

Boycott
Gooch
Butcher
Trott
Wood (Barry?)
Hick
Maddy


I'm sure Butch picked up 3 or 4 wickets once against Aus, and am I right in thinking Ramps wasn't the filthiest offie ever?

I also remember Fat Gatt used to regularly have a trundle for Middx in the one day stuff.
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Alvaro on January 30, 2018, 01:30:06 PM
Wally Hammond?
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: FattusCattus on January 30, 2018, 01:31:55 PM
Did you see him Alvin - you're older than I thought?
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: mattw on January 30, 2018, 01:34:39 PM
I thought Michael Vaughan had a decent technique. Decent First Class average, but his test average is shocking.
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: wcc on January 30, 2018, 01:47:10 PM
Paul Collingwood.
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: felix on January 30, 2018, 02:01:18 PM
Athers was allegedly a half decent leggie in his younger days.  However I remember him bowling some absolute filth at India in 1990, though still got Dilip Vengsarkar out with a full bunger.  Cricinfo reminds me of his figures that day, 7-0-60-1, wouldn't look out of place in an ODI today.
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Neon Cricket on January 30, 2018, 02:25:32 PM
We're all over-complicating this. I challenge you to find a better test match bowler;

Mat   Inns   Balls   Runs   Wkts   BBI   BBM   Ave   Econ    SR
152   2        18        7        1     1/6   1/6    7.00    2.33  18.0
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 30, 2018, 02:28:51 PM
We're all over-complicating this. I challenge you to find a better test match bowler;

Mat   Inns   Balls   Runs   Wkts   BBI   BBM   Ave   Econ    SR
152   2        18        7        1     1/6   1/6    7.00    2.33  18.0

Bowled Chef.
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Mr_Orange on January 30, 2018, 02:35:12 PM
Purely for the title of this (and the first ball!)

I give you:
Alec Stewart - the demon bowler, a compilation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwHymc9gRVM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwHymc9gRVM)
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 30, 2018, 02:48:02 PM
Boycs going full village and bowling with his cap on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_412SamXVo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_412SamXVo)
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 30, 2018, 03:11:36 PM
Tony Gregg
Basil Dolivera
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Manormanic on January 30, 2018, 03:14:22 PM
Actually, I think a credible analysis is:

 Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests   4  2  102  56  4  3/16  3/16  14.00  3.29  25.5  0  0  0 
ODIs   14  7  228  175  4  1/13  1/13  43.75  4.60  57.0  0  0  0 
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: FattusCattus on January 30, 2018, 03:28:13 PM
Tony Gregg
Basil Dolivera

@seniormoment - I would suggest both of those might have been considered all-rounders rather than part timers?
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Alvaro on January 30, 2018, 04:26:26 PM
Did you see him Alvin - you're older than I thought?

Pathe, my dear.

But good point. Time for my medication.
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Rob580 on January 30, 2018, 04:29:57 PM
@seniormoment - I would suggest both of those might have been considered all-rounders rather than part timers?

Yeah, that Jimmy Anderson was a decent part timer.

I mean he only bowled part of the time, sometimes he was fielding, or watching, or sleeping.
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 30, 2018, 04:38:15 PM
Actually, I think a credible analysis is:

 Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests   4  2  102  56  4  3/16  3/16  14.00  3.29  25.5  0  0  0 
ODIs   14  7  228  175  4  1/13  1/13  43.75  4.60  57.0  0  0  0

Another Yorkie ;)
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Manormanic on January 30, 2018, 04:52:15 PM
Another Yorkie ;)

Indeed.  A quality one as well, based on those figures, and a batting average around 40...
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 30, 2018, 04:56:40 PM
Indeed.  A quality one as well, based on those figures, and a batting average around 40...

Not saying he wasn't mate, probably one for the underrated xi as well
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Rob580 on January 30, 2018, 04:59:44 PM
Indeed.  A quality one as well, based on those figures, and a batting average around 40...

And a superb coach....
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 30, 2018, 05:15:30 PM
@seniormoment - I would suggest both of those might have been considered all-rounders rather than part timers?
Would have thought
Both Batsman first dolly was also  used as a partnership breaker  47 wickets from 44 tests.


Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: play-yourself-in on January 30, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
I always thought Vaughan should have bowled more in test matches, i'm sure KP turned his arm over a few times too.
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 30, 2018, 05:48:31 PM
I always thought Vaughan should have bowled more in test matches, i'm sure KP turned his arm over a few times too.
He did
Didn't KP start out as a bowler
Title: Re: Who were the best 'Part time' England bowlers you saw?
Post by: Manormanic on January 30, 2018, 05:51:40 PM
He joined Notts as an off spinner who batted six/seven.  I saw his second game for them at Headingley, he bowled well for an early season green top.