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Title: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: Johnny on February 15, 2018, 12:29:39 PM
Reports coming out that Rashid will be negotiating a white ball only contract going forward with Yorkshire.

I think it's a shame if true. Personally I'd like to have seen him play more test cricket.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 15, 2018, 12:38:06 PM
Full article here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/02/15/adil-rashid-turns-back-first-class-cricket-agreeing-white-ball/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/02/15/adil-rashid-turns-back-first-class-cricket-agreeing-white-ball/)

Interesting read, especially as they say other players are considering the same deal.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: rickjames on February 15, 2018, 12:44:03 PM
Don't really blame him considering he only gets selected when we're in the subcontinent...
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: pablomarmite on February 15, 2018, 01:06:05 PM
Considering the chances some players have had over the years I think he has been really hard done by in relation to test cricket. In my opinion should have played in the Ashes and I’m sure the selection of Crane ahead of him has had big impact on his decision.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 15, 2018, 01:20:05 PM
Full article here

[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/02/15/adil-rashid-turns-back-first-class-cricket-agreeing-white-ball/[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/02/15/adil-rashid-turns-back-first-class-cricket-agreeing-white-ball/[/url])

Interesting read, especially as they say other players are considering the same deal.


I think one of the other players will be David Willey

Anyone got any other guesses?
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 15, 2018, 01:30:59 PM
I would say Chris Jordan is probably one of the players they refer too
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: rickjames on February 15, 2018, 01:31:01 PM
Probably Plunkett, Jordan, God knows who else
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 15, 2018, 01:32:13 PM
Mark Wood may eventually go that way as well. His body isn't up to FC or Test cricket, clearly
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: six and out on February 15, 2018, 01:48:04 PM
It is disappointing but if Rashid doesn't think he has a chance of being selected for the Test side then why play red ball for Yorkshire? sorry all the Yorkshire lads on here but if he isn't tied up playing for Yorkshire in April and May he becomes a fair more attractive player for IPL and PSL teams.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: joeljonno on February 15, 2018, 01:51:45 PM
I think one of the other players will be David Willey

Anyone got any other guesses?

I think it will depend how much he plays for Yorkshire this season now he's fit and after Sidebottom's retirement. Think a LAO is always a good option.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 15, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
Buttler another? Morgan? Hales? Roy?
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: six and out on February 15, 2018, 02:03:11 PM
i think a lot depends on the following -

1. Does the player feel he has a chance of getting in the Test side
2. Does/Is the player earning the big bucks in the various T20 leagues around the world
3. General ambition of the player
4. Age of the player

For example Butler is already earning big bucks in the IPL etc... and knows he probably isn't getting in the Test side so is the ideal candidate for a White Ball only contract. Whereas Hales possibly has a chance of a batting slot if he plunders rules for Notts and again didn't get picked up in the IPL etc...
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: InternalTraining on February 15, 2018, 03:18:19 PM
Players are clearly not feeling secure and it is ECB's responsibility.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: edge on February 15, 2018, 04:01:20 PM
Don't see that many going for this, where are the advantages if you're an England player? Can go and play the IPL anyway, CPL clashes with domestic games, what else are you gonna do? Most of the blast clashes with England games anyway so he won't even play much of that. Presumably Rashid has just decided he can't be arsed with 4 dayers which I suppose he's entitled to. Suspect I'd just wave him off to another county if I was Yorkshire given he'll play about 4 games a season, why bother paying.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on February 15, 2018, 06:18:40 PM
No reason why the following wouldn’t follow suit as they are simply not red ball quality players


Jordan
Hales
Roy
Morgan
Buttler
Plunkett (aging)
Wood (body broken so why bother)
Willey (simply not good enough)
Duckett


List could go on
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: ppccopener on February 15, 2018, 06:52:53 PM
Ive read Willey quoted as saying he is about to give up on red ball cricket so he's next I reckon

Not sure really how to feel about Rashid, old style view maybe play for Yorkshire as he will get in their side in championship cricket, but he has no chance of playing tests. England don't rate him, or do rate him and don't like his attitude.

But more and more players will only play white ball I think.

At present if you are contracted to England, those contracts are separated and paid accordingly between one day and test, or those few that play both.....

That is correct right, do someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: Tailendfielder on February 15, 2018, 07:25:42 PM
Regardless of there ability’s to play international cricket it will reduce the quality of first class game. This is a bad thing
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on February 15, 2018, 07:36:43 PM
This will become a trend, and lets not pretend it's about anything other than players optimizing income.

I was proved right, from the beginning, about Rashid not playing many Tests.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: ppccopener on February 15, 2018, 07:43:19 PM
I suppose if you look at bad case senario, more one day international class players don't play first class and that opens up more gaps for Kolpack players(if they are still called that) to come over and play...

Or it means more opportunities for Academy players to come thru.

Those that watch 4 day cricket would feel short changed not seeing the likes of Hales or Butler or Roy maybe.

I didn't realise Morgan had not played a first class game for Middlesex since 2015.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: liscon12 on February 15, 2018, 07:50:17 PM
I didn't realise Morgan had not played a first class game for Middlesex since 2015.

He's not good enough to get into their FC team as Middlesex, they had plenty of opportunity to play him last.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on February 15, 2018, 08:21:38 PM
Maybe one day there will be a complete split?
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: kdale6 on February 16, 2018, 09:07:37 AM
The decision makes sense for me - he’s been overlooked for both Dawson and Crane in recent times when he’s arguably a better  candidate for the slot than both

Consistent performer for England in the one day arena so why not capitalise whilst he can!
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: mo_town on February 19, 2018, 10:54:10 AM
With all due respect to Adil Rashid's decision, I think the 'play red ball cricket only to get selected in test team' attitude is really poor. Its good to have the ambition to get selected in the test team but county cricket is not just a glorified selection session.

County cricket is serious business. All clubs fight hard to win their respective divisions. If one cannot take it seriously as well then I guess the counties are better off without such players.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: sgcricket on February 19, 2018, 11:15:49 AM
Totally understand Rashid’s viewpoint here. That conract gives him flexibility to play and earn. Will see this happening regularly in quite a few countries. WI players started it
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: cricketbadger on February 19, 2018, 11:20:31 AM
At the end of the day he's got to look after himself and his future, will be free to get around the world and earn the big bucks in white ball cricket. He doesn't owe anything to England, they've wasted enough of his time trailing him around the world carrying drinks and picking what may seem like weaker players instead of him to play. His bowling hasn't been quite up to scratch at times for Yorkshire anyway, at times being more effective with the bat. Interestingly I have a few friends in common with him, few guys play at my club who are pals with him and regularly net with him, so if I get chance will try have a chat to him about this whole situation
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on February 19, 2018, 12:03:32 PM
Check out Michael Henderson's excellent piece in this month's Cricketer. Not specifically about Rashid, but a good take on the issue.
Title: Re: Rashid to quit red ball cricket
Post by: mo_town on February 19, 2018, 12:28:34 PM
I agree its their livelihood and not just a hobby like most of us here, but players moving away would have a negative effect on the quality of county cricket which would in turn have a knock on effect on the quality of players playing at the highest level. This is why I personally like the IPL. Local talent earns a lot of money to play for 2 months, gets international exposure and also still continues to play at the county level. If it wasnt for IPL, I am sure a lot of good players who were in demand in T20 cricket would stop playing for their county sides.