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Title: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on February 21, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
Partially inspired by the give away end of season say at GCCC, but also a thread I have been meaning to start for ages.

Will start this by saying I don't think I've ever even seen one in the flesh, never mind used one in anger, but I wondered if those who have could share some experiences/thoughts, about what exactly makes these bats so sought after.

I get that they are huge, but they also mostly come in pretty heavy weights too, is part of it just a bit of edge/spine envy?

I also wondered if people know/can make an educated guess as to why they do manage to get a lot of bats that are big for their weight (even if they are 2'15), obviously a skinny handle and no binding saves a bit of weight, but are they clefts drier than standard, do they have a willow supplier that isn't Wrights (I know GN have their own source, but Robertsbridge doesn't seem to be producing anything similar.

The performance reviews seem to have been excellent, is it due to the size, the pressing, placebo effect of a giant bat.

Mostly just curious as to why people thing they are ahead of the game. And why nobody else seems to have been able to replicate it, so far.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Ajdal on February 21, 2018, 09:01:19 AM
I have the XXX-11 handcrafted and a GM players edition(QDK). The XXX-11 costed me 25% more, but the ping on the GM is much better. Very hard to mistime a shot with the GM. The XXX-11 isn't an oversized bat to be honest, some may disagree but I have been told by the owner of Meulemens that they are in-fact made from regular sized clefts and not the over-sized clefts that are used for the Kabooms and 50+ bats. The XXX-11 is a very good bat don't get me wrong, but it's not that special size wise. CA bats for example pack as much wood as them, just that the GN has much of the willow concentrated in the middle. It has a flat face so that adds 3-4 mm to the edge size.

Having said that, I also own a big 50+ bat which has an unbelievable ping but that's 2.14. Just pings everywhere and has 18-19 grains. In my opinion, the big bats from GN Australia are special and it's something only they are doing. So if you can afford one, and most importantly have the strength to wield one, get one as they are pretty special all the ones I have seen. The regular sized/weight bats are not that special and way too expensive, can get better value for money elsewhere.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: cesare_in on February 21, 2018, 09:02:21 AM
Very very good post. Will eagerly await folks who own these to share their wisdom and experiences.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Alvaro on February 21, 2018, 09:06:04 AM
I have not seen one in the flesh, but proportionately the handles often look like toothpicks. Is this really the case?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on February 21, 2018, 09:09:10 AM
I have not seen one in the flesh, but proportionately the handles often look like toothpicks. Is this really the case?

That's my impression, but that alone (or combined with no twine) isn't enough to get bats that big for the weights I don't think. Did wonder if similar handles on say a CA would be accepted as readily.

On that note, I have actually seen one model that is similar, the CA Dragon. Again haven't seen one in the flesh though.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Ajdal on February 21, 2018, 09:11:11 AM
I have not seen one in the flesh, but proportionately the handles often look like toothpicks. Is this really the case?

Handles are skinny and have a very pronounced oval shape. Legend and XXX have the skinniest handles. Predator3(Aussie), XP-80, 50+ and Kabooms have similar handle shape, slightly less skinny at least the ones I have.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on February 21, 2018, 09:19:37 AM
@thedoctor Straky- you guys at B3 are obviously well on top of cleft and bat weights to a high degree of precision, what sort of weight difference can there be between the thickest/heaviest handle and the thinnest/lightest ones?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: edge on February 21, 2018, 09:28:01 AM
Handles are tiny and not bound so no wonder they feel nice, they must flex like mad.

In my limited experience of picking up and tapping up a few... they're big and they pick up light. That's about it, obviously they do perform but I don't think better than any other source of good bats. Tapped up alright but nothing special. Personally I really didn't like the handles or any of the shapes I've seen! Haven't had a bat with one admittedly but wouldn't remotely consider buying one if I'd been looking at what I've seen in a shop.

Re. other makers doing massive bats - the previous forum crazes of H4L monsters and oversized B3s have both seen some comparable size/weight bats haven't they?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: JB on February 21, 2018, 09:30:13 AM
The handles on mine are really thin, need at least 2 decent thickness grips to get them to how I like them.

I haven't used the XXX11 yet but the XP80 and 50+ absolutely fly! But saying that so does the H4L Custom i used all last year
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on February 21, 2018, 09:32:55 AM
http://www.eclipseallsports.co.uk/index.php/dragon-50mm-01.html (http://www.eclipseallsports.co.uk/index.php/dragon-50mm-01.html)

This is the CA, that to my eyes looks like a Kaboom copy.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Umi on February 21, 2018, 09:35:15 AM
The GN big bats pick up considerably lighter than their weight, well balanced, feel really nice in the hands. The most impressive part is how big they are for their weight and how light it feels despite being 2.14
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on February 21, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
The GN big bats pick up considerably lighter than their weight, well balanced, feel really nice in the hands. The most impressive part is how big they are for their weight and how light it feels despite being 2.14

I'm guessing you own one, any ideas as to how/why it is so big for the weight?

Obviously feel etc for the weight of that bat is done to shaping and the batmakers skill.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: simonmay5 on February 21, 2018, 10:01:32 AM
Having a few gn Australian made bats I believe they are extremely special I like a thin Handel and the sheer size of the xxx11 is incredible for the weight 2.8 with 45mm edges and 70mm spine is extremely impressive
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Northern monkey on February 21, 2018, 10:17:18 AM
I've seen Simons gn bats, and used one
They are unreal for the weight, performance is excellent, but it's the lack of dead weight for the size that impresses.

Must be down to cleft drying
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: DorsetDan on February 21, 2018, 10:21:42 AM
There is a thread already on this but I can't find it quickly.

There is a certain mystique about spending ridiculous amounts of money on a big bat from the other side of the world and having the in thing, but I think @edge sums it up saying he wouldn't remotely consider one if browsing in a shop- that was the same feeling I was left with. There is no way any of them remotely suited me but some late night browsing and a credit card in reach may tell a different story!

In many cases I imagine the specs sell the bats. Credit where it is due though, they seem to make the most of having their own willow and being one of the few to actually spot a market for this type of bat.

The Melben made GN's are nice and seem to be of consistent good all around quality but nothing that blows any other decent makers out of the water. Yes some people have exceptional Aus GN's but there are also exceptional feeling and performing B3/ H4L/ etc out there.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Umi on February 21, 2018, 10:26:04 AM
@Kulli i was skeptical of these GN big bats thinking theyíre heavy and big, but then I had a chance to use a friends 50+ and it blew me away. The weight was 2.14 and it felt like my 2.11 bat and performance was the best; these bats are special.

One of my friend owns a CA DRAGON with 50 mm edges, itís concaved, finishing is average, pick up and performance doesnít  come close to my GN Kaboom
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: simonmay5 on February 21, 2018, 10:35:29 AM
Having their own willow is a big plus point the only other company I seen that have similar is H4l as matt cuts all his own clefts etc so having the pick of the willow is key
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: coverpoint_pro on February 21, 2018, 10:36:38 AM
I have around 5 Gray Nics Australia bats.  For me it is just consistency.  They all pick up great and respond fantastically.

I have a velocity 1500 XL 2.10
XXX Limited Edition 2.9
XP70 2.10
Velocity Players 2.11 (lynn model)
and one of Cam Whites old sticks 2.8

Love the handles, love the pick up.  I just feel confident using them and confidence is the main thing!  I have had predators and atomics too and they were great.

You can find lower end bats in the predator and atomic range that are Aus made and the value for money is astounding!
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Number4 on February 21, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
The handle on my Atomic 1400 is not as thin as the kabooms and is slightly oval on the bottom hand. 42mm edges and weighing 2lb 9.6oz isnít actually massive and itís not the grainiest bat in the world although the grains are nice and straight with a clean face but man does this thing crack out of the middle. Probably one of the nicest shapes on the market with a very long middle starting an inch or 2 above the toe and going right up to just below the stickers. And the pickup on these are beautiful. Iíd buy one any day of the week
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on February 21, 2018, 10:58:11 AM
[url]http://www.eclipseallsports.co.uk/index.php/dragon-50mm-01.html[/url] ([url]http://www.eclipseallsports.co.uk/index.php/dragon-50mm-01.html[/url])

This is the CA, that to my eyes looks like a Kaboom copy.
i bought this actual bat and it is almost identical profile to the 50plus GNs that i have owned. The handle on the Dragon is round as opposed to oval on the GNs but is actually a bit thicker than them as well. The width is full size and im really impressed with how it taps up. I havent used itin a game yet but a quick net session showed promise although it doesnt have that crisp ping to it the GNs have.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on February 21, 2018, 11:59:16 AM
I think personally a large part of this question is that they are the "in thing" at the moment on here, it's been other brands and bats and shapes are other times.

I have an XP70 and 2 UK made GN bats ( both sample Bats that were sourced through Vitas) plus my Atomic which is one or the other and there is no noticeable difference personally between any of them in terms of performance, the UK made do have thicker handles not that any are that thick
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: HellomynameisJ on February 21, 2018, 12:06:02 PM
I have a Velocity Players choice, 2.10, 45mm edges, no concave and goes like a trampoline. My first AUS made and i wont use anything but from now on. I Paid $350aud for a bat made 45 minutes drive from my home under the watch of one of (if not the) best batmakers in the world, ive had some fantastic indian made GNs before, but can safely say that none come close to the aus made. I'll also add that they come in pricepoints for most budgets, its a no brainer for me, locally made, high quality at fair prices. Its truly a shame that GN UK dont have a similar operation as clearly the demand is there.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: simonmay5 on February 21, 2018, 12:07:06 PM
I think personally a large part of this question is that they are the "in thing" at the moment on here, it's been other brands and bats and shapes are other times.

I have an XP70 and 2 UK made GN bats ( both sample Bats that were sourced through Vitas) plus my Atomic which is one or the other and there is no noticeable difference personally between any of them in terms of performance, the UK made do have thicker handles not that any are that thick

Hi Chris have you tried a actual sk made bat they are a lot of different from the Indian made xp70 I rate them really highly and like you have tried most brands
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Alvaro on February 21, 2018, 12:55:27 PM
I still want to see the UK pro performances weighing 2.6. Those would rival any Aussie giant GN.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Gurujames on February 21, 2018, 01:01:12 PM
The proof of the pudding may well lie in the stats. Last years average V This years average. As surely such incredible and expensive bats should warrant a 10 run improvement?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Number4 on February 21, 2018, 01:04:29 PM
The proof of the pudding may well lie in the stats. Last years average V This years average. As surely such incredible and expensive bats should warrant a 10 run improvement?

This is another topic... We have a guy in our team who compares his averages between which batting gloves he wears
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on February 21, 2018, 02:00:31 PM
I only own SK made GNs. I know there are other bat-makers in GN-AUS factories but mine were handpicked from SK made batches.

1. Out-of-the-box performance - I used my xp-80 2000 pretty much out of the box. I did prepare the edges and toe but not as much as other bats. At 2-10, it is the lightest of my match bats (with a miserably thin toe) but it performed like the best of them. Or even better. Big sixes!
2. Balance - These are impeccably balanced bats. All of my SKs are huge, two stand at 2-12/2-13. For someone, who regularly uses 2-11/2-12 bats, its a usable bat weight.
3. Handle - I love the feeling of the thin handle; I add a second grip to the top half.
4. Value for money - I own many brands and these are by far the closest bats to expectations. Whole point of buying an extremely expensive bat is that you don't have to use others. SK bats did that for me. None of the other brands gave me the satisfaction that these SK bats did. I have netted with a friend's XXX-11 bat as well and at 2-8, it was just too good of a bat to net with.
5. I have 100% satisfaction rate with SK made bats. I can't say that of other brands. It is pretty disappointing that after all the time and money spent, most brands fell short of expectations in one way or another. Not my SKs.

My advice to my younger self would be to save up and buy 1 or maybe 2 SK made GNs. They will not be cheap but I won't need any other bat.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on February 21, 2018, 02:26:58 PM
Hi Chris have you tried a actual sk made bat they are a lot of different from the Indian made xp70 I rate them really highly and like you have tried most brands

Hi mate I have the XP70 and no idea if that was made by SK or in India. I did try getting a forum
Member who I believe works at one of the Aus stores to help me get one but never had a reply to my emails. If you can help me out Si than maybe Iíll have a better idea of the difference :) :)
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: DorsetDan on February 21, 2018, 02:31:10 PM
This would be a starting point with a lot of things generic to most (all?) models
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=42799.msg702626#msg702626 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=42799.msg702626#msg702626)
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: simonmay5 on February 21, 2018, 02:45:51 PM
Hi mate I have the XP70 and no idea if that was made by SK or in India. I did try getting a forum
Member who I believe works at one of the Aus stores to help me get one but never had a reply to my emails. If you can help me out Si than maybe Iíll have a better idea of the difference :) :)

Xp70 are Indian and more than happy to help you mate I sourced a fair few guys Australian made sk bats on this forum had four xxx11 last week let me know what sort of thing youíre looking for my custom atomic is extremely special such a long middle
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: procricket on February 21, 2018, 10:03:31 PM
Forum hype and fad at the minute like so many before and i have no doubt after.

Some on this forum chatting about bats have never batted long enough to understand a bat or use one properly. :o

SK makes a good bat but his arms must be tired if he made them all your buying...

that Shaun Marsh replica is the daddy though ... :D

If your a bat collector then fine and i know some are all horses for courses.

I guess im a cheapskate and jealous...



Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: KW9221 on February 21, 2018, 10:22:52 PM
Some on this forum chatting about bats have never batted long enough to understand a bat or use one properly. :o
I second this! Plus I canít justify spending $900 on a bat just to play one day a week for 5 months. Last year, I Player total of 14 games and half of them were 20/20.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: joymarvin on February 21, 2018, 10:28:41 PM
I second this! Plus I canít justify spending $900 on a bat just to play one day a week for 5 months. Last year, I Player total of 14 games and half of them were 20/20.

Well said..
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: liscon12 on February 21, 2018, 10:33:12 PM
I second this! Plus I canít justify spending $900 on a bat just to play one day a week for 5 months. Last year, I Player total of 14 games and half of them were 20/20.
We each have a thing that makes us happy in our lives, for some that's buying lots or expensive  bats. I can think for more expensive and wasteful hobbies out there.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: KW9221 on February 21, 2018, 10:47:02 PM
We each have a thing that makes us happy in our lives, for some that's buying lots or expensive  bats. I can think for more expensive and wasteful hobbies out there.
I respect your opinion mate. I personally canít justify buying a $800 warner especially in a league I play in, unless Warner comes and bats for me. I could definitely use a push in my batting average  :D
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on February 22, 2018, 12:01:54 AM
Some on this forum chatting about bats have never batted long enough to understand a bat or use one properly. :o

Totally disagree. I have had my share of long innings and I am more than happy to take my SKs with me to the popping crease.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on February 22, 2018, 12:05:00 AM
I second this! Plus I canít justify spending $900 on a bat just to play one day a week for 5 months. Last year, I Player total of 14 games and half of them were 20/20.

If that's the case, I'd rather take the BEST piece of willow I can get my hands so not to waste my time/weekend!

Do you know how many weekends I see people ruin because of equipment failure of one sort or another? Same with bats. You take a crap*y bat to the pitch and you have a crap*y day.

I'd rather buy two top-of-the-line bats, guaranteed to perform, than 7 or 8 average joes that take forever to open up.

What's your time worth?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: joymarvin on February 22, 2018, 12:20:14 AM
If that's the case, I'd rather take the BEST piece of willow I can get my hands so not to waste my time/weekend!
Do you know how many weekends I see people ruin because of equipment failure of one sort or another? Same with bats. You take a crap*y bat to the pitch and you have a crap*y day.

I'd rather buy two top-of-the-line bats, guaranteed to perform, than 7 or 8 average joes that take forever to open up.

What's your time worth?

Does expensive bats guarantees a good innings?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: KW9221 on February 22, 2018, 12:29:14 AM
If that's the case, I'd rather take the BEST piece of willow I can get my hands so not to waste my time/weekend!

Do you know how many weekends I see people ruin because of equipment failure of one sort or another? Same with bats. You take a crap*y bat to the pitch and you have a crap*y day.

I'd rather buy two top-of-the-line bats, guaranteed to perform, than 7 or 8 average joes that take forever to open up.

What's your time worth?
Do these bats come with certificates of performance? Or with money back guarantee?

I have seen people who complain about their bats but canít even middle the ball. I saw Mohammad Yusuf Played a local charity game I person. He used one of the local players CA 10000 and scored 75+ on 35 balls. He didnít need a $800 bat to score runs. It is all psychological mate.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Umi on February 22, 2018, 12:32:31 AM
I second this! Plus I canít justify spending $900 on a bat just to play one day a week for 5 months. Last year, I Player total of 14 games and half of them were 20/20.

With all due respect pricing was never part of topic but since itís been brought up. its like anything in life everyone values their money differently, It comes to affordablilty for some using a $900 bat is less about the money and more about the feel. Iím sure we have been to an event or a place where some come in a corolla some come in a Benz. sorry for coming as a brat I personally would like to get the absolute best
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: jd163 on February 22, 2018, 01:34:33 AM
They feel good in hand, picks up lighter being huge and give me confidence that my hit will cross boundary with ease. I also got many other brands but for some reason Aussie GN feels right in my hands.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: HellomynameisJ on February 22, 2018, 01:34:56 AM
Not all Aus Made GN's are $900aud, SK mades are only because he is the most sought after bat maker in the country and top 5 in the world, of course his work is expensive, but i would still say the non SK made bats are still a cut above the indian made bats from my experience and you can pick up an Aus made for around $400aud or less if you're bargain savy and patient.

As for the forum fad comments, its a possibility but if you make a consistently high quality product, at accessible price points that differs from the pretty generic offerings from most other large brands, why wouldnt people be talking about your products?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: cesare_in on February 22, 2018, 01:53:31 AM
Amount of money I have spent in the last 24 months in bats (5-6 bats) since I got back to playing cricket would have fetched me one of these expensive ones.

Let's either blame it on luck or my competency levels  ;)
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: adb club cricketer on February 22, 2018, 03:35:08 AM
I know most of the discussion here is on the SK made big bats. But what about the other handcrafted ranges such as the AUS ultimate/prestige/elite etc. Are they SK made too..Anyone know their performance? I always wanted to get one SK but cant play with anything over 2-8/2-9, so trying to see if these lower weight options are worth it or not..
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: jd163 on February 22, 2018, 03:54:21 AM
I know most of the discussion here is on the SK made big bats. But what about the other handcrafted ranges such as the AUS ultimate/prestige/elite etc. Are they SK made too..Anyone know their performance? I always wanted to get one SK but cant play with anything over 2-8/2-9, so trying to see if these lower weight options are worth it or not..

Meulemans got few xxx models in 2-9 and they are SK made.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: simonmay5 on February 22, 2018, 06:18:34 AM
If you know what youíre looking for sk bats are easily recognised
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: sgcricket on February 22, 2018, 07:36:29 AM
It's just the forum fad at the moment. Nothing extra over any other bat in terms of performance.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: edge on February 22, 2018, 07:36:53 AM
Serious question - is there even that much point trying to seek out a Kranzbuhler shaped bat vs an Australian made GN? Seems very unlikely that the workpath of a bat in an operation the size of GN is one man presses a cleft, handles and then shapes it. Even if some will have been done start to finish by SK, chances are that most of them haven't. Similar to how if you buy a Laver & Wood these days, it quite possibly hasn't seen much of James Laver. So if you think the real key is it being made by one bloke then you're still guessing whether he's pressed it or not (which is the important bit after all). So SK fans - is his making the key, or do you just want an Aussie made GN and trust that the other people working there are up to scratch?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: simonmay5 on February 22, 2018, 08:07:25 AM
I think for me the key is to have sk is to have a custom as then you know Stuart has made it to your specks until people actually use one of Stuartís bats itís difficult to say there no difference because they not had first hand experience with the bats in question
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: procricket on February 22, 2018, 09:18:41 AM
Does expensive bats guarantees a good innings?

As you know pal if you cant play no bats going to make you any better . You may look good though walking out with it....

I you get a good price from bulk buys and mentioning on a forum when why not.

I would want one if they where in a good price range just to see but i have played with one before and get the appeal.

Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Aussiecollector on February 22, 2018, 09:55:49 AM
It's just the forum fad at the moment. Nothing extra over any other bat in terms of performance.
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Hmmm ,   interesting ,   anyone who uses an SK would disagree strongly ,  every player i have let use mine can tell the difference , the most common comment is i hardly hit it & look how far or how fast it flew off the bat , they have always been special , i have SK bats that are over 8 years old that still impress , so not a fad for me , my older bats are better than the same current batch , there are 3 other batmakers in the cave , numbers made depend on previous years sales & retail orders , average time to make a bat approx 2hrs , stu takes up to 4.5hrs on a custom , hence the cost , the willow shape , handle type , weight , pickup & overall finish are unique to each one , wait time about three weeks , marsh replica number under twenty , same with the warner & williamson replicas , these are custom orders by specific shops, XXX are made on an as per order request , on a side note the total xp80 , 50plus & kaboom numbers for 2016 was less than 200 & the custom range is less than 5% of GN AUS sales.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on February 22, 2018, 09:56:03 AM
I think for me the key is to have sk is to have a custom as then you know Stuart has made it to your specks until people actually use one of Stuartís bats itís difficult to say there no difference because they not had first hand experience with the bats in question

Have to confess I have very little idea of the size or set up GN have in Melbourne, but the above interests me.

Do we think that 2 bats coming from the same place can vary hugely in quality depending on which batmaker it is doing which part of the process? Also, presume somewhere like that any other employees would be trained by the main man.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: joymarvin on February 22, 2018, 10:29:00 AM
As you know pal if you cant play no bats going to make you any better . You may look good though walking out with it....

I you get a good price from bulk buys and mentioning on a forum when why not.

I would want one if they where in a good price range just to see but i have played with one before and get the appeal.

I agree mate. Expensive bats don't guarantee runs unless the feel of having a expensive bat at the crease and for collection. You know me well I have had 3 B3 crowns at 500 quid each. I loved using expensive bats at the crease  :D
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: jamesisapayne on February 22, 2018, 10:51:32 AM
I agree mate. Expensive bats don't guarantee runs unless the feel of having a expensive bat at the crease and for collection. You know me well I have had 3 B3 crowns at 500 quid each. I loved using expensive bats at the crease  :D

I've used a couple of expensive, nice big looking bats at the crease and there is something about having a decent bit of wood in your hand that inspires confidence - but in my experience that's all it does.

It's a placebo effect and to the vast majority of us on here (myself included) - we're simply not good enough to play like the pro's. Having a bat like David Warner or Chris Lynn doesn't give me any more chance of playing like them whatsoever. It just means I've paid a silly amount of money for a piece of timber and my confidence has gone up a bit.

Is it worth all that money for that? Not for me to say as each to their own really, but these SK made bats are the latest in a long line of forum trends that come and go just like every other one has done in the past.

You pays your money and you takes your choice. If people want to buy these bats believing they're made by the best batmaker out there that's their choice. It's certainly not one that I subscribe to as I believe it's impossible to gauge something like that - there's a lot of great people out there making superb bats.

No doubt the size of the bats are impressive, but I bet if a pro used one of them versus a standard off the shelf bat there wouldn't be a huge amount of difference as it's the person holding it that scores the runs. That says it all to me really.

Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: joymarvin on February 22, 2018, 10:55:58 AM
I've used a couple of expensive, nice big looking bats at the crease and there is something about having a decent bit of wood in your hand that inspires confidence - but in my experience that's all it does.

It's a placebo effect and to the vast majority of us on here (myself included) - we're simply not good enough to play like the pro's. Having a bat like David Warner or Chris Lynn doesn't give me any more chance of playing like them whatsoever. It just means I've paid a silly amount of money for a piece of timber and my confidence has gone up a bit.

Is it worth all that money for that? Not for me to say as each to their own really, but these SK made bats are the latest in a long line of forum trends that come and go just like every other one has done in the past.

You pays your money and you takes your choice. If people want to buy these bats believing they're made by the best batmaker out there that's their choice. It's certainly not one that I subscribe to as I believe it's impossible to gauge something like that - there's a lot of great people out there making superb bats.

No doubt the size of the bats are impressive, but I bet if a pro used one of them versus a standard off the shelf bat there wouldn't be a huge amount of difference as it's the person holding it that scores the runs. That says it all to me really.

Well said mate. If a individual got excess cash to burn, why not spend on expensive bats and enjoy playing..
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: sgcricket on February 22, 2018, 11:10:56 AM
It's just the forum fad at the moment. Nothing extra over any other bat in terms of performance.
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Hmmm ,   interesting ,   anyone who uses an SK would disagree strongly ,  every player i have let use mine can tell the difference , the most common comment is i hardly hit it & look how far or how fast it flew off the bat , they have always been special , i have SK bats that are over 8 years old that still impress , so not a fad for me , my older bats are better than the same current batch , there are 3 other batmakers in the cave , numbers made depend on previous years sales & retail orders , average time to make a bat approx 2hrs , stu takes up to 4.5hrs on a custom , hence the cost , the willow shape , handle type , weight , pickup & overall finish are unique to each one , wait time about three weeks , marsh replica number under twenty , same with the warner & williamson replicas , these are custom orders by specific shops, XXX are made on an as per order request , on a side note the total xp80 , 50plus & kaboom numbers for 2016 was less than 200 & the custom range is less than 5% of GN AUS sales.
I am comparing a standard off the shelf bat. And to me there is no difference. Coming to special bas, again the same point applies. You can get a special made bat in India, UK or Australia and they would perform the same. That has been my personal experience.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Calzehbhoy on February 22, 2018, 11:52:40 AM
Meh... I just liked and wanted one, so I've ordered 3....  :o

As with anything it's personal choice... Some will say different brands are amazing, others will point to other brands.... Let's just enjoy the wonderful willow whatever the stickers.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 22, 2018, 01:45:08 PM
Some on this forum chatting about bats have never batted long enough to understand a bat or use one properly. :o

That might be the case, but they look nice sat in my kit bag... :-[
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: tushar sehgal on February 22, 2018, 01:45:59 PM
I think sometimes its also about finding the right bat weight, shape, pressing and batmaker for yourself. If I want a bat that I know will perform I go to RPC, everytime without fail I have what I feel are guns from Rob. Effortless shots clear boundaries but the same bat feels not so good to some of my mates and others love it, I am comparing ppl who use the similar weight and profile to me.

So I would assume SK is similar, he might make an awesome bat for some and the same bat might not be good for others. Is he the best in the world? I dunno, is he the best to the ones who get on with his gear? yes.

I'll get killed for this: The JM Screaming cats that I have had all have been great, at least that's what I was told by everyone who used them, but I didn't get on with them so does that make Rob Pack a better batmaker than JM? no, but for me yes.

Would i like to try a SK bat? absolutely but I can't justify the price, considering I can get about 2 top of the line RPCs for that much money, if one comes up for sale are a reasonable price i might try. That's one thing I liked about the forum when I first joined a few years ago, you had the option of trying bats from many batmakers at a cheap price (g2 or g3 or butterfly were all very reasonable) and see who you like and get on with. I found H4L, BB & RPC were to my liking, doesn't means others were bad. You can't really do that today with the prices that are being charged etc.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Yorkershire on February 22, 2018, 03:19:25 PM
I think sometimes its also about finding the right bat weight, shape, pressing and batmaker for yourself. If I want a bat that I know will perform I go to RPC, everytime without fail I have what I feel are guns from Rob. Effortless shots clear boundaries but the same bat feels not so good to some of my mates and others love it, I am comparing ppl who use the similar weight and profile to me.

So I would assume SK is similar, he might make an awesome bat for some and the same bat might not be good for others. Is he the best in the world? I dunno, is he the best to the ones who get on with his gear? yes.

I'll get killed for this: The JM Screaming cats that I have had all have been great, at least that's what I was told by everyone who used them, but I didn't get on with them so does that make Rob Pack a better batmaker than JM? no, but for me yes.

Would i like to try a SK bat? absolutely but I can't justify the price, considering I can get about 2 top of the line RPCs for that much money, if one comes up for sale are a reasonable price i might try. That's one thing I liked about the forum when I first joined a few years ago, you had the option of trying bats from many batmakers at a cheap price (g2 or g3 or butterfly were all very reasonable) and see who you like and get on with. I found H4L, BB & RPC were to my liking, doesn't means others were bad. You can't really do that today with the prices that are being charged etc.

Great Post! I think people have their preferences and some of the reasons may not be very tangible! I feel exactly the same way!
There's a few brands I'd like to try but each time I need a bat I just can't bring myself to spend the money as I can't justify it when I can get a better value bat elsewhere...
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on February 22, 2018, 04:33:43 PM
Do these bats come with certificates of performance? Or with money back guarantee?

I wish they did, because I'd returning half the bats I own!
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I have seen people who complain about their bats but canít even middle the ball. I saw Mohammad Yusuf Played a local charity game I person. He used one of the local players CA 10000 and scored 75+ on 35 balls. He didnít need a $800 bat to score runs. It is all psychological mate.

I met him in person. I own two souvenirs autographed by him. He is built like a $hit brickhouse, his shoulders and arms are like a boxer's!!!

It's not psychological for average players and clubbies. I have played same shots with cheapo/unopened bats that've barely crossed the 30 yard line and top bats that've raced to the boundary or flown over the boundary. Bats matter. Pros will hit the sweet spot better than a clubbie but will struggle with a crap bat! CA10000s are awesome bats but no Kranzies.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on February 22, 2018, 04:36:49 PM
Amount of money I have spent in the last 24 months in bats (5-6 bats) since I got back to playing cricket would have fetched me one of these expensive ones.

My advice to people buying is simple: get a top of the line bat that's beyond your budge once than buying 6-7 bats for next two years that are individually cheaper but collectively cost more than an individually purchased top-of-the-line bat.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on February 22, 2018, 04:40:18 PM
So SK fans - is his making the key, or do you just want an Aussie made GN and trust that the other people working there are up to scratch?

Serious answer - you can get an SK made bat. Talk to Mueleman.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Yorkershire on February 22, 2018, 04:43:59 PM
My advice to people buying is simple: get a top of the line bat that's beyond your budge once than buying 6-7 bats for next two years that are individually cheaper but collectively cost more than an individually purchased top-of-the-line bat.

Appreciate what you are saying, but what is top of the line? Different companies grade willow differently , some press their bats the same regards of grade..

I think with some of the sponsors and ex board sponsors you don't need to spend top money for a quality bat. You can within a budget get an awesome bat... I'd go down the grade 2 or butterfly route... if I didn't have the money...
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Yorkershire on February 22, 2018, 04:44:55 PM
PS know hat you mean by no need to buy 6-7 bats...  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on February 22, 2018, 04:52:19 PM
Appreciate what you are saying, but what is top of the line? Different companies grade willow differently , some press their bats the same regards of grade..

I think with some of the sponsors and ex board sponsors you don't need to spend top money for a quality bat. You can within a budget get an awesome bat... I'd go down the grade 2 or butterfly route... if I didn't have the money...

This actually is a great question. There is so much confusion and price difference because of lack of standards and stone-age thinking about bats. Consumers have not demanded enough from the vendors. "It is about the feel". "I like grains". Blah blah blah.

Imagine buying an iPhone/Samsung and waiting 6 months because the phone is "acclimatizing" to the bandwidth of the cell towers. Buy a suit and wait three months before wearing it so that fabric "opens up" to your skin and weather conditions? Buy a car because it is getting used to the roads!!? It is EFFING laughable how bat makers get away with their excuses!!

Cricket as a sport will die because in this age of instant gratification, the bats we use are crap! At the club level, people should be allowed to freely use: a. big bats; b. laminates; c: composite material so they can have FUN instead of worrying about bat size or bat opening up like PROs (who actually don't need a bat to open up and clearly lack of size is not an issue for them!).

In absence of common standards and market demand for quality, we have a situation where a bat maker like SK can charge whatever he wants for his bats.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: FattusCattus on February 22, 2018, 05:34:26 PM
I think this topic should be locked now. People are actually beginning to talk common sense on here about not owning multiple bats, and should clearly be banned!
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 22, 2018, 07:00:31 PM
@InternalTraining but you do "break in" all the new things you've listed?

While not leaving a new phone for 6 months, you set up your apps etc so it performs the tasked you want. A new suit will be great, but they are more comfortable after you've worn them a few times and broken in a few of the fibres in the fabric so it's more "moulded" to you.

I think the car analogy works very well. If you bought something new from the showroom you wouldn't drive it off the forecourt with the tachometer bouncing off the red line, would you? Equally if you bought a new top of the range bat you'd prepare it for match use, not take it out of the packet and try to hit the new ball into the next county from ball one.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on February 22, 2018, 07:28:58 PM
@InternalTraining but you do "break in" all the new things you've listed?

While not leaving a new phone for 6 months, you set up your apps etc so it performs the tasked you want. A new suit will be great, but they are more comfortable after you've worn them a few times and broken in a few of the fibres in the fabric so it's more "moulded" to you.

HAHAHHAHAA! You must be joking. :D :D :D You wear suits made from cardboard!? :D I've never had to "break-in" my suits. I can't believe you break-in your suits. I just can't stop laughing. :D :D :D

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I think the car analogy works very well. If you bought something new from the showroom you wouldn't drive it off the forecourt with the tachometer bouncing off the red line, would you?
. I'd drive the car immediately as I intend to - places, events, etc. No oiling, no knocking equivalent necessary. What you are describing is a consumer mindset which has hobbled the bat making industry. Maybe, that is how you think about consumer products, not most people I know. I am not being facetious here.

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Equally if you bought a new top of the range bat you'd prepare it for match use, not take it out of the packet and try to hit the new ball into the next county from ball one.
Very little. XP-80 2000 got very little knocking from me and it was good to go. My big Warners have edges rolled by a "ostrich bone" by Bob Mueleman himself. Those bats are so big, you'd be insane to knock them. Again, it is your mindset. You are conditioned to accept inferior service and products with poo standards.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: jamesisapayne on February 22, 2018, 08:13:26 PM
Again, it is your mindset. You are conditioned to accept inferior service and products with poo standards.

Jesus Christ.

Feeling smug up there in your ivory tower are we.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: DorsetDan on February 22, 2018, 08:16:12 PM
Does someone have a derailed gif
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: procricket on February 22, 2018, 09:04:55 PM
Having a few gn Australian made bats I believe they are extremely special I like a thin Handel and the sheer size of the xxx11 is incredible for the weight 2.8 with 45mm edges and 70mm spine is extremely impressive

i got a bat 45mm edge and 69mm spine yesterday 2/8 and a half with a scuff and toe guard got it from my local sports shop !!! well cricket shop. 150 quid and made i think by some bloke in India...(god want to play).

Not saying GN bats are not nice if i had the dough would i ??? I would 5 years ago and taken it to bed with me and it would have come with me everywhere like a walking stick.

Drying techniques have changed i see in two years even further...


Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 22, 2018, 09:11:28 PM
@InternalTraining as you've misinterpreted my points and I can't be bothered to explain  what I  actually meant, I'll just say "you're right and I'm wrong."
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: coverpoint_pro on February 22, 2018, 10:46:00 PM
As a pom now living in Aus i've had the majority of bats that this forum has advertised.


I was in Greg Chappell the other day and picked up quite a lot of bats.  The nicest in the hands was a puma for $900.  The second nicest was an aussie made predator for $300.  I used to order so many bats over the internet, and sometimes I still do, but nothing beats going into the shop, picking a few bats up, bouncing a ball and making your decision.  It just so happens that when I do that GN Aus are always in the mix.  A big for me is feel, i used to be obssesed with looks and grains and now i purely base a bat on pick up and sometimes ping.  Handle plays a big part also and the Gray Nics handles have been the best ive used thus far.

$500-600 AUD to GBP is a hell of a lot of money for a bat.  But in Aus, that's relative to Salaries etc, so its probably why most of us out here don't really bat an eyelid.

Would i say they are the best bats I've ever owned? Probably not, that would be my G3 puma.
Would i say they have the best consistency across all the bats I've owned?  Yes, i haven't used one yet and gone this is a plank.


Its all subjective.  All i'd say is if you get chance, try one.  That being said, I'd always say try a Puma/SS, try an RNS.  Try as many as you can and end up like me with 15 bats and a very unhappy misses!



 

Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: procricket on February 23, 2018, 07:50:19 AM
Get back to Burnley Max...
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on February 23, 2018, 10:38:59 AM
Appreciate what you are saying, but what is top of the line? Different companies grade willow differently , some press their bats the same regards of grade..

I think with some of the sponsors and ex board sponsors you don't need to spend top money for a quality bat. You can within a budget get an awesome bat... I'd go down the grade 2 or butterfly route... if I didn't have the money...

Personally I don't buy that is deemed to be G1 anymore as in my mind the prices are just silly. I feel I have picked wisely and I have 7 bats that are graded by the makers or companies as G2,G3 or even G4 but all are clean blades, straight grains and perform very well simply by using forum sponsors such as six sixes, Uzi and Vitas. The only G1 I have is my Newbery Pro which was a eBay bargain and at in my opinion a fair price
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on February 23, 2018, 10:48:22 AM
Personally I don't buy that is deemed to be G1 anymore as in my mind the prices are just silly. I feel I have picked wisely and I have 7 bats that are graded by the makers or companies as G2,G3 or even G4 but all are clean blades, straight grains and perform very well simply by using forum sponsors such as six sixes, Uzi and Vitas. The only G1 I have is my Newbery Pro which was a eBay bargain and at in my opinion a fair price

It's obviously up to any individual to decide, and there's plenty of stuff where I pay over the odds for makes I like etc but I think it's possible to get top 5% bats for well under 200, especially on here where you can pick up used ones for way under their list value.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: skip1973 on February 23, 2018, 11:04:19 AM
The big bats are the main point of diffence I think, all bat makers are capable of making good bats but if you're some that uses 2.14 plus, no company I am aware of can replicate 50 plus, the Warners and XP 80 models for size, pick and performance. Hell4Leather for me are closest to GN feel, pressing, performance etc.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on February 23, 2018, 11:10:41 AM
The big bats are the main point of diffence I think, all bat makers are capable of making good bats but if you're some that uses 2.14 plus, no company I am aware of can replicate 50 plus, the Warners and XP 80 models for size, pick and performance. Hell4Leather for me are closest to GN feel, pressing, performance etc.

I would agree with that, i use twigs, but i imagine those that use big weights often get very dense clefts offloaded on them.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Simmy on February 23, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
Forum hype and fad at the minute like so many before and i have no doubt after.

Some on this forum chatting about bats have never batted long enough to understand a bat or use one properly. :o


Game set and match

hahaha
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: smilley792 on February 23, 2018, 01:40:34 PM
I got one of the early ones. Warner kaboom some 2 years plus ago now.

It wasnít a fad back then.
I wanted a big bat, I use heavy weights, and back then it worked out at 400 quid delivered,
Which to me meant it made financial sense as a high end bat here, was similar. But 2.14 arenít ten a penny bats.

The bat was phenomenal. Pick up superb, looks superb, ping like no other.

Iíve not bought another since though. In fact Iíve had 2 kooks hand picked by vitas that have performed just as well since.


I fit in daves criteria though, I donít really bat long enough to judge. Haha.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: KW9221 on February 23, 2018, 03:32:14 PM
@InternalTraining as you've misinterpreted my points and I can't be bothered to explain  what I  actually meant, I'll just say "you're right and I'm wrong."
Haha I feel the same way. I am entitled to have my own opinion just like everyone else.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: jblowe on February 23, 2018, 03:54:52 PM

Some on this forum chatting about bats have never batted long enough to understand a bat or use one properly. :o


That's me!!!! Spend more time looking at bats than using one
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Jaffa on February 23, 2018, 04:27:55 PM
That's me!!!! Spend more time looking at bats than using one

I'm sure I wave mine more around at home than I do at the crease.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: procricket on February 23, 2018, 05:42:13 PM
I got one of the early ones. Warner kaboom some 2 years plus ago now.

It wasnít a fad back then.
I wanted a big bat, I use heavy weights, and back then it worked out at 400 quid delivered,
Which to me meant it made financial sense as a high end bat here, was similar. But 2.14 arenít ten a penny bats.

The bat was phenomenal. Pick up superb, looks superb, ping like no other.

Iíve not bought another since though. In fact Iíve had 2 kooks hand picked by vitas that have performed just as well since.


I fit in daves criteria though, I donít really bat long enough to judge. Haha.

That's some bat you can bat bud...and whack it...
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: shadowlight on February 26, 2018, 12:57:03 AM
Couple of factory tour videos

https://youtu.be/vkdBB6KqRTU
https://youtu.be/QtDqJGGHGMg
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Northern monkey on February 26, 2018, 07:32:48 AM
Bats are milled?
Machined then finished off by hand?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: edge on February 26, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
Bats are milled?
Machined then finished off by hand?
As much as that would make me laugh, I think when the chap says milled he just means planing the cleft down to size
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: delazy on March 06, 2018, 03:52:38 AM
i have to say...after looking over a XXX11 and watching a guy belt the ball to all parts of the ground over the weekend just gone...an SK XXX has just leaped over a host of other bats in terms of my must have for next season (australia)...personally ive never really had a fondness for GN gear (had/still have an Excalibur from my younger days) but the quality is outstanding
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: tim2000s on March 06, 2018, 07:57:51 AM
Given my only purchases of the last couple of years have been Ozzie XPs, and they're the bats that I used all last season, for me it was simply that they suit me, and "ping" like crazy. But maybe I just got lucky.

And yes, you read that correctly. I only bought an XP last year!
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Gurujames on March 06, 2018, 08:16:11 AM
Given my only purchases of the last couple of years have been Ozzie XPs, and they're the bats that I used all last season, for me it was simply that they suit me, and "ping" like crazy. But maybe I just got lucky.

And yes, you read that correctly. I only bought an XP last year!
Did you see an increase in your own performances/average?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Buzz on March 06, 2018, 08:20:03 AM
He kept getting caught rather than the ball falling short of the fielder... ;)
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on March 06, 2018, 01:48:38 PM
i have to say...after looking over a XXX11 and watching a guy belt the ball to all parts of the ground over the weekend just gone...an SK XXX has just leaped over a host of other bats in terms of my must have for next season (australia)...personally ive never really had a fondness for GN gear (had/still have an Excalibur from my younger days) but the quality is outstanding

Those Mueleman XXX11s could make an international debut. Just saying. :D
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Tassie tiger on March 08, 2018, 02:49:38 PM
Bob Meuleman sorted out a Chris Lynn replica which i received today that i think is pretty special, 2.11, 74mm spine, 50mm edges and has a decent thickness oval handle. Will try to workout how to up a picture later, otherwise will send to Sarg for full review.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Northern monkey on March 08, 2018, 03:17:44 PM
Wow!!
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: amritpremi on March 08, 2018, 04:41:45 PM
I have 2 GN 50+, both are special pickup, size & performance wise. Tough to replicate all 3 parameters in one.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Jaffa on March 08, 2018, 05:23:34 PM
These guys no longer have any 1400's in stock but GCCC have some coming in I believe.

https://www.allcricketgear.com.au/product/gray-nicolls-bat-atomic-1400/ (https://www.allcricketgear.com.au/product/gray-nicolls-bat-atomic-1400/)
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: delazy on March 08, 2018, 11:05:13 PM
Bob Meuleman sorted out a Chris Lynn replica which i received today that i think is pretty special, 2.11, 74mm spine, 50mm edges and has a decent thickness oval handle. Will try to workout how to up a picture later, otherwise will send to Sarg for full review.
@Tassie tiger
Where in tassie are you bloke? Surprised to see someone else from our little state on here!
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: shadowlight on March 08, 2018, 11:54:27 PM
Sorry for the stupid question but what models are Aussie made?  I had touched based with GCCC looking at SM bat and both the Atomic 1400 and Velocity 900 are non-Aussie (assuming Indian made).  The response to my follow up question said that handcrafted and only SH that are Aus made are the top end.  Confused on how to identify Aus/non-Aus bats on the Web.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Tassie tiger on March 09, 2018, 01:53:36 AM
I was reasonably sure the atomic 1400 was Aus made, just bought a black edition which is below and that is Aus made, SK infact 😁
Didn't know SM weren't.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Calzehbhoy on March 09, 2018, 05:56:14 AM
All grades can and canít be Aussie made. Iíve got a 1000 that is and there was a few 700ís there were as well.

If you only want an Aussie made then specify it at checkout. Otherwise go with the Black Edition as they were all Oz made.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on March 09, 2018, 06:08:31 AM
Going to sound like iím Mega sceptical again but really Iím not, honestly.
If the Oz makes ones are so special, why does it seem to be so difficult to tell the difference between them and the Indian made ones?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: simonmay5 on March 09, 2018, 07:23:59 AM
Going to sound like iím Mega sceptical again but really Iím not, honestly.
If the Oz makes ones are so special, why does it seem to be so difficult to tell the difference between them and the Indian made ones?


Itís not really that hard to spot the Australian made ones if you know what you are looking for Handel shoulders are all a giveaway
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2018, 07:26:43 AM
An updated view on this.

Used my Aussie made kaboom for two season. Didnít think it was possible to get better.


Picked up a predator halestorm from owzat this winter. Knocked it in and had my first ent with it last night.


Wow! Seriously the thing flies, Iíd rate it better than my Warner kaboom. In fact I was second guessing myself so let a team mate Jd a go.

He offer me 300 quid for it there as he said heíd never used something so sweet.


UK grays can match or beat is grays when they want.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on March 09, 2018, 07:45:48 AM
Burn the witch, burn the witch!  ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: petehosk on March 09, 2018, 01:39:22 PM
I have two made by SK and two other GN bats made in India.
One of the Indian GN bats needs knocking in so not easy to tell.
But the other Indian BN (bought from Vitas) taps up beautifully!! Really seriously impressed!!
Ok, so the SK made bats are better than those two but just because it is made elsewhere, it really doesn't mean that they aren't stonking bats!!
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: sarg on March 09, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
Off topic, but Im using a indian market GN Ultimate GN7 as a match bat atm with the red ink stamps. Fine bat and i could tell the moment i tapped it up. Different handle to the Aussie GNs an construction and shape but it is very impressive performance wise for a 2.84 and looks like the UK shapes. I had a GN Warner Players and a Predator 1300 and I prefer this one as far as ping and pickup. Its just one of those clefts that goes. I think GN makes a good bat. Sometimes overpressed in the lower grades.

Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: shadowlight on March 09, 2018, 02:37:31 PM

Itís not really that hard to spot the Australian made ones if you know what you are looking for Handel shoulders are all a giveaway

Can you provide some hints on what to look for.  The only thing that I have to go by is pictures on the web.  Plus being US the options for good bats are kind of low or expensive compared to ordering during end of season sale in UK or Aus.  Aus turns out to cheaper even with shipping.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Calzehbhoy on March 09, 2018, 04:32:36 PM
Can you provide some hints on what to look for.  The only thing that I have to go by is pictures on the web.  Plus being US the options for good bats are kind of low or expensive compared to ordering during end of season sale in UK or Aus.  Aus turns out to cheaper even with shipping.

Easiest tip is that itíll have a ĎMade in Australiaí sticker on the handle
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on March 09, 2018, 06:53:23 PM
You may pay a lot more for a GN-AUS S-Kranzie bat but it eliminates a lot of risk when it comes to performance and general preparation of the bat. If you can live with the uncertainty of bat's early/performance, buy whatever or roll the dice. If you want certainty, get a Kranzie.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: joymarvin on March 09, 2018, 07:07:29 PM
I have two made by SK and two other GN bats made in India.
One of the Indian GN bats needs knocking in so not easy to tell.
But the other Indian BN (bought from Vitas) taps up beautifully!! Really seriously impressed!!
Ok, so the SK made bats are better than those two but just because it is made elsewhere, it really doesn't mean that they aren't stonking bats!!

This is a very valid point - 'so the SK made bats are better than those two but just because it is made elsewhere, it really doesn't mean that they aren't stonking bats!!'
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on March 09, 2018, 07:10:44 PM
You may pay a lot more for a GN-AUS S-Kranzie bat but it eliminates a lot of risk when it comes to performance and general preparation of the bat. If you can live with the uncertainty of bat's early/performance, buy whatever or roll the dice. If you want certainty, get a Kranzie.
And how do you spot which Oz made ones he has played a part in making?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Sitonit on March 09, 2018, 07:15:24 PM
Partially inspired by the give away end of season say at GCCC, but also a thread I have been meaning to start for ages.

Will start this by saying I don't think I've ever even seen one in the flesh, never mind used one in anger, but I wondered if those who have could share some experiences/thoughts, about what exactly makes these bats so sought after.

I get that they are huge, but they also mostly come in pretty heavy weights too, is part of it just a bit of edge/spine envy?

I also wondered if people know/can make an educated guess as to why they do manage to get a lot of bats that are big for their weight (even if they are 2'15), obviously a skinny handle and no binding saves a bit of weight, but are they clefts drier than standard, do they have a willow supplier that isn't Wrights (I know GN have their own source, but Robertsbridge doesn't seem to be producing anything similar.

The performance reviews seem to have been excellent, is it due to the size, the pressing, placebo effect of a giant bat.

Mostly just curious as to why people thing they are ahead of the game. And why nobody else seems to have been able to replicate it, so far.

Probably the cost of manufacturing GN bats is higher in Australia perhaps that's why they are pricey, and hence look more attractive. In my personal opinion and experience, there is nothing extra ordinary or out of this world kind of character in Australian made GN bats. They are just like regular big brands. Some are good, some are duds.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on March 09, 2018, 08:07:45 PM
And how do you spot which Oz made ones he has played a part in making?

You don't spot anything: You ask Muelemans to pick the right ones for you. If that sounds like a hardship to you, well, join the club of bat buyers who don't live in the UK and have to find their bats through intermediaries.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on March 09, 2018, 09:08:26 PM
You don't spot anything: You ask Muelemans to pick the right ones for you. If that sounds like a hardship to you, well, join the club of bat buyers who don't live in the UK and have to find their bats through intermediaries.
It does, we have a wealth of podshavers in Oslo.
Youíre more easily riled than DW!
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: JB on March 09, 2018, 09:24:18 PM
Iíve got no idea if my 50+ or XP80 are made by Stuart or not. The 50+ was picked out by @skip1973 and is superb. The XP80 really isnít my type of bat, or suit my style. Donít know what it is but when I look down when in my stance it just doesnít look right? Does anyone know what I mean? That notwithstanding it is one of the most fun bats Iíve ever used! The middle is huge and it flies. Even if I donít really use them Iíll keep them so that my son can use them cos the way things are going weíll be batting with bamboo canes by the time he needs a short handle!!

Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on March 09, 2018, 09:24:27 PM
It does, we have a wealth of podshavers in Oslo.

That's interesting. Good prices? Good bats?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: procricket on March 09, 2018, 09:46:25 PM
I like my James Taylor match used bat made in the uk at Robersbridge, liked my halestorm too.

I wanted to try a Australian looked at the Shaun marsh replica but it looked like a grade 2 bat for 400 sheets I was out, love the shape did not like the williow or certian specs.

Picked up one of Johnny bairstows adidas he didn't take due to his move from a good friend for half the price.

I'm not doubting Australian GN but there good bats all over the show.

Oh and most of bairstows bats where actually made by SF!!!

Bats can't be judged on looks but I'm not buying blind 400 sheets. I understand them who don't have the options and understand there trust if they keep getting good ones,

Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Tassie tiger on March 09, 2018, 11:41:34 PM
Not 100% sure SK has made all of mine, but they're all guns and well made. Bob Meuleman hand picks all mine for me and hasn't disappointed so he's my go to man for an Aus made GN.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on March 10, 2018, 01:47:18 AM
^ Mine are SK made.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Gurujames on March 10, 2018, 08:01:43 AM
SK makes every Aussie bat doesnt he? I think he makes 30 a day to keep up with demand.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: delazy on March 10, 2018, 08:20:46 AM
Not 100% sure SK has made all of mine, but they're all guns and well made. Bob Meuleman hand picks all mine for me and hasn't disappointed so he's my go to man for an Aus made GN.

we need photos :P
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: RossViper on March 25, 2018, 10:08:07 AM
Expert sanding I guess?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: procricket on March 27, 2018, 03:18:52 PM
I picked up two of these type of bats yesterday from Hook services in a bat swap.

Truth is there two decent bats something I wanted to try and in truth it was a surreal expectiance swapping bats at the back of a service station with 10 bats outside the car people must have thought what the hell.

Always good to meet people from different walks of live brought together by cricket. 
I do like the bats impressed as good as 90 per cent of all bats. God my wife is sick of my inner bat nerd.

Decent sticks to be fair
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: billyb on March 27, 2018, 04:49:42 PM
I picked up two of these type of bats yesterday from Hook services in a bat swap.

Truth is there two decent bats something I wanted to try and in truth it was a surreal expectiance swapping bats at the back of a service station with 10 bats outside the car people must have thought what the hell.

Always good to meet people from different walks of live brought together by cricket. 
I do like the bats impressed as good as 90 per cent of all bats. God my wife is sick of my inner bat nerd.

Decent sticks to be fair

Love it, reminds of the time I bought a camera lens outside a dodgy tube station late at night before flying to West Africa. When needs must!  :D
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Calzehbhoy on March 27, 2018, 04:59:16 PM
What did you get in the end @procricket
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: procricket on March 27, 2018, 05:21:54 PM
I also found out i think the origins of my James Taylor bat....
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: sarg on March 28, 2018, 12:49:38 AM
we need photos :P

This is @Tassie tiger 's XXX.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/MarcsCricketBatPrepInformation/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1815395032097962 (https://www.facebook.com/pg/MarcsCricketBatPrepInformation/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1815395032097962)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSpBbDIEW1g&t=5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSpBbDIEW1g&t=5s)
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Alvaro on March 28, 2018, 07:53:06 AM
So, who has peeled the Kaboom labels off their Kranzies then?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: jamesisapayne on March 28, 2018, 01:01:27 PM
So, who has peeled the Kaboom labels off their Kranzies then?

You don't peel them off Alvaro, you rub them off with sandpaper don't you  ;)

Sorry, couldn't resist!
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Alvaro on March 28, 2018, 01:07:27 PM
Only on one side James :D
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Aussiecollector on March 29, 2018, 06:48:53 AM
If you do you are crazy , kaboom no more , those lucky to have one keep it safe , soon to become collectors specials
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on March 29, 2018, 08:50:01 AM
If you do you are crazy , kaboom no more , those lucky to have one keep it safe , soon to become collectors specials
Just like Warner?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: adb club cricketer on April 06, 2018, 04:32:24 AM
Most of the discussion here is about the big aussie gn bats. However, there are the regular sized handcrafted range such as ultimate/elite/prestige etc. Are these SK made too and are they special? Anyone owned/used these other bats from Aussie handcrafted range?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Tassie tiger on April 06, 2018, 06:59:26 AM
I've got a Silver and used to have an Ultimate, believe the pressing on them is as good as my XXX. Correct preparation and they're as good as anything else.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: procricket on April 06, 2018, 08:19:01 AM
I had a silver it was a not great but it was not really knocked in. The XXX9 i'm using is up there and potentially better than most bats i have used but only used it 3 times.

Also been using a Replica Warner with the word Replica engraved in which despite being 2/12 picks up a bit mentally. (It same as Smileys).

Fads on here they maybe but Mr Khranzbhuler and the team in Melbourne are hand crafting some very good bats.

Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: InternalTraining on April 08, 2018, 04:00:55 PM
Also been using a Replica Warner with the word Replica engraved in which despite being 2/12 picks up a bit mentally. (It same as Smileys).

One of my replicas is one of the small batch that Kranzbuhler made for Mueleman. I am thinking about using it this season. 2-12/2-13 but picks up lighter. 2-12/2-13 is still a substantial (dead) weight. I have played long innings with 2-11 but 2-12/2-13 is a new experience.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on May 29, 2018, 02:17:38 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRAY-NICOLLS-XP70-AUSTRALIAN-EDITION-GRADE-2-SH-211/163045708724?_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D50546%26meid%3D38e7d89bf139446b807a305c19be343a%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D163068690925%26itm%3D163045708724&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRAY-NICOLLS-XP70-AUSTRALIAN-EDITION-GRADE-2-SH-211/163045708724?_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D50546%26meid%3D38e7d89bf139446b807a305c19be343a%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D163068690925%26itm%3D163045708724&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982)

Oz or indian made?Forumer selling?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Calzehbhoy on May 29, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRAY-NICOLLS-XP70-AUSTRALIAN-EDITION-GRADE-2-SH-211/163045708724?_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D50546%26meid%3D38e7d89bf139446b807a305c19be343a%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D163068690925%26itm%3D163045708724&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRAY-NICOLLS-XP70-AUSTRALIAN-EDITION-GRADE-2-SH-211/163045708724?_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D50546%26meid%3D38e7d89bf139446b807a305c19be343a%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D163068690925%26itm%3D163045708724&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982)

Oz or indian made?Forumer selling?

Ask for a picture of the top of the handle and get them to roll the top of the grip down to show the binding. You'll know straight away from there.
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: mattw on May 29, 2018, 02:44:29 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRAY-NICOLLS-XP70-AUSTRALIAN-EDITION-GRADE-2-SH-211/163045708724?_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D50546%26meid%3D38e7d89bf139446b807a305c19be343a%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D163068690925%26itm%3D163045708724&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRAY-NICOLLS-XP70-AUSTRALIAN-EDITION-GRADE-2-SH-211/163045708724?_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D50546%26meid%3D38e7d89bf139446b807a305c19be343a%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D163068690925%26itm%3D163045708724&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982)

Oz or indian made?Forumer selling?

He's a forum member @lexx

Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: Kulli on May 29, 2018, 02:48:28 PM
Ask for a picture of the top of the handle and get them to roll the top of the grip down to show the binding. You'll know straight away from there.

If there's tape instead of binding?

@lexx maybe easier if you could just confirm :)
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 29, 2018, 03:56:50 PM
Didn't someone say a while back the XP70s were all Indian made?
Title: Re: What makes Aussie made GN's so special/sought after.
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on May 29, 2018, 09:36:57 PM
That was my bat canít remember who I sold it too now was about a year ago and went really well but didnít pick up very well in my opinion, selling at a higher price than I played