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Title: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: mo_town on July 10, 2018, 12:16:58 PM
I have recently moved and been playing for a new team this yr. Last year, the team I was playing for had a wonderful run where we ended up as Div 2 champions. This year sadly been quite the opposite, with just 1 win at the halfway mark. What has been frustrating is that most of those have been narrow losses which makes it even more frustrating. The level of cricket is good and my personal performances have been decent overall. But in the end all that matters is if the team wins or loses. I know its not everything and its all about loving the game, but in the end you really enjoy it only when you are winning more games than losing..

How does one manage to stay motivated in such a scenario?

Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: Manormanic on July 10, 2018, 12:28:35 PM
With difficulty, I am finding at the moment.

Failing that, with beer...
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: jjelricksmith on July 10, 2018, 12:32:32 PM
Go to the Winchester and wait for it all to blow over.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: LEACHY48 on July 10, 2018, 12:37:36 PM
I have recently moved and been playing for a new team this yr. Last year, the team I was playing for had a wonderful run where we ended up as Div 2 champions. This year sadly been quite the opposite, with just 1 win at the halfway mark. What has been frustrating is that most of those have been narrow losses which makes it even more frustrating. The level of cricket is good and my personal performances have been decent overall. But in the end all that matters is if the team wins or loses. I know its not everything and its all about loving the game, but in the end you really enjoy it only when you are winning more games than losing..

How does one manage to stay motivated in such a scenario?

Remember you only play for fun and to have fun with your mates. No point in betting down because ultimately you are lying to be there and if you and your mates are enjoying youseleves it will eventually come good. What club are you at mate?
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: richthekeeper on July 10, 2018, 12:41:19 PM
Go out for beers with your teammates. The better you get to know each other, the better you will perform. And if results don't improve, you still had beers.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: blindowl on July 10, 2018, 12:42:00 PM
Our club have started doing the funtasy cricket this year. It has its ups and downs but I really notice a huge increase in the interest everyone has in how the other teams within the club are doing. Small victories (couple of wickets, a not out etc) are celebrated much more consistently.

Team and club ethos has improved and even if you lose the match it highlights lots of positives to take away.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: prim0pyr0 on July 10, 2018, 01:40:39 PM
Win more/stop losing. Losing should be motivation to train and improce. Or
sub out the poor preformers
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: HellomynameisJ on July 10, 2018, 01:49:43 PM
When I'm Happiest playing my cricket, results are almost irrelevant. It's easier said than done but find a good club with a good culture and the rest will look after itself.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: DorsetDan on July 10, 2018, 01:54:12 PM
+1 for enjoying playing and enjoying being with team mates above all else. Results happen naturally as others have said. I take that over playing with a winning team of jeb ends any day of the week
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: LDifa on July 10, 2018, 02:00:16 PM
Its really hard mid season, but I have found going on tour brings people together and really helps.

Failing that a good curry night with everyone and a chat through doing that little bit extra, a tiny bit of better fielding, running a few singles quicker and almost instantly there is a 20 run swing.

Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: Biggie Smalls on July 10, 2018, 06:35:16 PM
Take pride in your personal performance,  set goals to achieve , be competive .....these things keep you in the best position to get personal satisfaction while contributing the most you can to the team - win win . Then remind yourself that you could suffer a  career ending injury, illness , disease etc at any time ,and that every game you get on the park is a bonus .....stop to smell the cricketing roses every once in a while basically.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: brokenbat on July 10, 2018, 06:38:47 PM
buy some bats...?
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: ppccopener on July 10, 2018, 07:30:11 PM
Hmmm. my team has punched above its weight for two years, being promoted to div 1 and then a mid table finish the following year.
As of now we are facing near certain relegation after 8 straight losses , with the tough teams still to come. Two teams go up and two teams go down in our league so the chickens,cows and any other animal is coming home to roost for us and it seems impossible to get out of.

Personally if I continue my up and down form I will score more runs than last year.not fantastic but my only goal is to score more runs than the last season. Three weeks ago I was in for a ton and holed out in the 70's simply because I was knackered.

So....I've got no complaints, we are being outplayed, and whilst mumblings are starting that we 'cannot go down not good for the club' my point will be firmly made....if you think you can do better come and have a go.

Consistent losses do affect the team and motivation, you can only try as hard as possible every game.

On the plus side, it's all out for a win in every game from now on so its high time to forget technique and start hitting it a bit harder.

Nothing to lose after all  :)
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: richthekeeper on July 10, 2018, 07:31:23 PM
Our club have started doing the funtasy cricket this year. It has its ups and downs but I really notice a huge increase in the interest everyone has in how the other teams within the club are doing. Small victories (couple of wickets, a not out etc) are celebrated much more consistently.

Team and club ethos has improved and even if you lose the match it highlights lots of positives to take away.

Agree with this. And Iím top of ours :)
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: JK Lewis on July 10, 2018, 07:46:23 PM
Had this situation last year, and as skipper it felt even worse. 2 wins all season, inconsistent side, couple matches conceded, relegation. It hurt.

But, I felt motivated by being able to bring 5 youngsters into the senior side, making sure they got to bat and bowl, and were protected as best possible. They worked hard and did well overall, and now this season have really stepped forward.

A couple of decent personal performances also helped me get through. But, I stepped down from captaincy, it wasn't for me tbh.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: six and out on July 10, 2018, 07:53:47 PM
It's a very interesting question this, especially considering the state of the game at the moment, with clubs losing players etc.. keeping people motivated during a bad trott can be key to actually keeping them at the club full stop sometimes.

I am always of the opinion that the more you play together as 1 team keeping each other's motivation going the better. Use going out together, training more, staying longer after games, anything you like. But if you don't stay together as a team that's when the real problems start.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 10, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
Hmmm. my team has punched above its weight for two years, being promoted to div 1 and then a mid table finish the following year.
As of now we are facing near certain relegation after 8 straight losses , with the tough teams still to come. Two teams go up and two teams go down in our league so the chickens,cows and any other animal is coming home to roost for us and it seems impossible to get out of.

Personally if I continue my up and down form I will score more runs than last year.not fantastic but my only goal is to score more runs than the last season. Three weeks ago I was in for a ton and holed out in the 70's simply because I was knackered.

So....I've got no complaints, we are being outplayed, and whilst mumblings are starting that we 'cannot go down not good for the club' my point will be firmly made....if you think you can do better come and have a go.

Consistent losses do affect the team and motivation, you can only try as hard as possible every game.

On the plus side, it's all out for a win in every game from now on so its high time to forget technique and start hitting it a bit harder.

Nothing to lose after all  :)
Consistent losses do course  some players to lose there motivation it's no fun being outclassed each week as an individual or a team but don't agree with the cannot go down its not good for the club brigade it's better for everyone and not just  there motivation to be a winner in a lower Div than keep being outplayed
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: Mfarank on July 11, 2018, 05:58:03 AM
I can tell u what not to do: kick the stumps away in frustration after losing a close match where u gave ur best. Easiest way to injure your toe and be out of action for a few weeks  :(
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: 13th Man on July 11, 2018, 08:36:35 AM
I played in the 6ths first victory for something like 5 years this last season whereís your British stiff upper lip :o
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: mo_town on July 11, 2018, 09:40:57 AM
I think it is easier to accept defeat when you are out classed by teams which are much stronger. One would not have any problem taking that on the chin. But when it happens against teams you should be beating, it can be very frustrating.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: SLA on July 11, 2018, 10:10:08 AM
Ultimately winning is unimportant. For every winner there is a loser, so in the long run every team will inevitably win as many games as it loses, so every glorious run of wins has to be balanced out with a win of losses at some point.

The important thing is to a) keep trying to win during the game, and enjoy making the collective effort, but once the game is over, be gracious, forget about it, have a pint and and move on, and b) work harder than usual to maintain team spirit and camaraderie (which tends to look after itself when winning).

If a losing streak is followed by a relegation, then a winning streak in a lower division is just around the corner.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on July 11, 2018, 06:24:16 PM
Remember itís amateur Cricket
Go out with mates and enjoy the few hours by sharing jokes and laughing at each other
Almost forget about the oppos.. they arenít your mates anyway so ignore them
Have fun
Have a beer after the game so itís about the overall day not all based on winning

This in the long run will keep people playing .. the winning only lasts so long anyway
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: enlightened on July 12, 2018, 06:53:14 AM
Remember itís amateur Cricket
Go out with mates and enjoy the few hours by sharing jokes and laughing at each other
Almost forget about the oppos.. they arenít your mates anyway so ignore them
Have fun
Have a beer after the game so itís about the overall day not all based on winning

This in the long run will keep people playing .. the winning only lasts so long anyway

This.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: velvetsky01 on July 12, 2018, 07:50:25 AM
yep would agree with the above post - Enjoy it.

My side lost every game bar one last season this was due to a number of our first XI leaving but if i am honest it was the nicest atmosphere i have known at our club with the big wigs gone. Yes we lost but we were never totally outplayed - a number of games we should have won but that was due to the team spirit we had created

So remember you are giving up a whole day from family to enjoy yourself - so do that!
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: mo_town on July 12, 2018, 12:30:52 PM
I will try that...dont care about how the team performs, just enjoy the day and have a few laughs. Winning or losing doesn't matter as it is amateur cricket. I will probably text that to the skipper as well.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: HallamKeeper on July 13, 2018, 12:00:52 PM
My team are in a rut too. We are bottom with only one win. We are a third team so we will get shafted in the summer holidays when more people are away in the higher teams and our own.

As others have said it is amateur cricket so there is usually loads of room for personal improvement with practice etc but not many have the time or desire.

I've noticed our warm ups are very lacklustre which gets carried into the game. I do question the captain's decisions more and more but I know he cares and is doing his best.

I'm usually a keeper but the other night I fielded in the outfield, I realised how easy it is to switch off and had to really get myself up for each delivery so I could attack the ball when it came to me. It explains to me why we can be so bad in the field and that ultimately costs us wickets and lots of runs.

The other problem we have is batting second, we start so cautiously, I'm guessing because we are low on confidence but that just lets the bowlers settle into their groove and the run rate climbs, then we have to be aggressive and lose wickets fast. I wonder if we would be better sending in two pinch hitters to get a quick 30-40 runs and make their captain do something he doesn't want to.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: richthekeeper on July 13, 2018, 12:04:30 PM
My team are in a rut too. We are bottom with only one win. We are a third team so we will get shafted in the summer holidays when more people are away in the higher teams and our own.

As others have said it is amateur cricket so there is usually loads of room for personal improvement with practice etc but not many have the time or desire.

I've noticed our warm ups are very lacklustre which gets carried into the game. I do question the captain's decisions more and more but I know he cares and is doing his best.

I'm usually a keeper but the other night I fielded in the outfield, I realised how easy it is to switch off and had to really get myself up for each delivery so I could attack the ball when it came to me. It explains to me why we can be so bad in the field and that ultimately costs us wickets and lots of runs.

The other problem we have is batting second, we start so cautiously, I'm guessing because we are low on confidence but that just lets the bowlers settle into their groove and the run rate climbs, then we have to be aggressive and lose wickets fast. I wonder if we would be better sending in two pinch hitters to get a quick 30-40 runs and make their captain do something he doesn't want to.

you can get that quick 30-40 and force the skipper's hand simply by running hard. being cautious is fine early on but if the ball doesn't go directly to a fielder's strong hand you should be running. you mention that you're a 3rd XI so I'm assuming that the standard of fielding and in particular throwing is not that high. in which case taking on quick singles becomes a calculated risk.

put another way, how many times do you see an oppo fielder throw down the stumps at the bowler's end? not many I bet.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: SLA on July 13, 2018, 12:19:37 PM
My team are in a rut too. We are bottom with only one win. We are a third team so we will get shafted in the summer holidays when more people are away in the higher teams and our own.

As others have said it is amateur cricket so there is usually loads of room for personal improvement with practice etc but not many have the time or desire.

I've noticed our warm ups are very lacklustre which gets carried into the game. I do question the captain's decisions more and more but I know he cares and is doing his best.

I'm usually a keeper but the other night I fielded in the outfield, I realised how easy it is to switch off and had to really get myself up for each delivery so I could attack the ball when it came to me. It explains to me why we can be so bad in the field and that ultimately costs us wickets and lots of runs.

The other problem we have is batting second, we start so cautiously, I'm guessing because we are low on confidence but that just lets the bowlers settle into their groove and the run rate climbs, then we have to be aggressive and lose wickets fast. I wonder if we would be better sending in two pinch hitters to get a quick 30-40 runs and make their captain do something he doesn't want to.


We don't do warmups and never really have. A few times I or another player has tried to introduce it, but the captain and a few of the older players just sit watching us from the pavilion.

We lose a lot of games simply through dropping catches, failing to make easy stops on the boundary.


I had a friendly argument the other day with a bloke who said the best way to chase a total was to score slowly and keep wickets in hand and then blast you way over the line in the last 10 overs. I said I've been playing league cricket for 20 years, I've seen 100s of teams try that tactic, and it never works. Chasing 200 off 40, getting to 60-1 off 20 will never, ever win you the game. You only need to lose a couple of wickets and suddenly you have 2 new batsman at the crease who have to try and score at a run a ball from the off. 60-1 off 20 can easily become 65-3 off 22, and becomes 90-3 off 30 as the new batsmen try to play themselves in, and now you need 11 an over with the best bowlers about to come back on and it ain't going to happen.

The best way, the only way, to chase a total is to try and get on top of the run rate within the first 5-6 overs, and aim to win the game with 5 overs to spare. That way, if you have a little wobble, you can use those 5 overs to rebuild. and still stay ahead of the rate.



Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: richthekeeper on July 13, 2018, 12:42:02 PM
I had a friendly argument the other day with a bloke who said the best way to chase a total was to score slowly and keep wickets in hand and then blast you way over the line in the last 10 overs. I said I've been playing league cricket for 20 years, I've seen 100s of teams try that tactic, and it never works. Chasing 200 off 40, getting to 60-1 off 20 will never, ever win you the game. You only need to lose a couple of wickets and suddenly you have 2 new batsman at the crease who have to try and score at a run a ball from the off. 60-1 off 20 can easily become 65-3 off 22, and becomes 90-3 off 30 as the new batsmen try to play themselves in, and now you need 11 an over with the best bowlers about to come back on and it ain't going to happen.

The best way, the only way, to chase a total is to try and get on top of the run rate within the first 5-6 overs, and aim to win the game with 5 overs to spare. That way, if you have a little wobble, you can use those 5 overs to rebuild. and still stay ahead of the rate.

Respectfully, I totally disagree with everything you've said.

In your example, if you try to get on top of the run rate in the first 5 overs, against the oppo's best bowling with the new ball, you'll invariably find yourself 30-2 after 5. Then you've got your number 4, typically one of your better strokemakers, in facing the swinging new ball. Whenever this happens it's quite typical to suddenly find yourself 60-5 - from amateur level to Test level we see this happen over and over again. You're not recovering from that very often.

Openers are there for a primary purpose of surviving the new ball. If they get to 30-0 off 10 they've done a good job, and they probably want to be aiming for 70-1 after 20. That's leaving you a chase of 6.5 an over which is eminently doable if you have wickets in hand.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: edge on July 13, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
I think the days of both the opening pair just aiming to see the new ball off are gone by now aren't they? Speaking as an opener, there's no better time to be an agressive batsman than in the first few overs - the field is all in, the bowling tends to be fairly predictable, amateur bowlers tend to feel their way into a spell, and you've got a nice new hard ball pinging off your bat. Room for adjusting to conditions obviously, but if I've got 15no in the first ten overs I'd be pretty disappointed with myself if it's a decent track. Slow starts can put a lot of pressure on the middle order.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: SLA on July 13, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
Respectfully, I totally disagree with everything you've said.

In your example, if you try to get on top of the run rate in the first 5 overs, against the oppo's best bowling with the new ball, you'll invariably find yourself 30-2 after 5. Then you've got your number 4, typically one of your better strokemakers, in facing the swinging new ball. Whenever this happens it's quite typical to suddenly find yourself 60-5 - from amateur level to Test level we see this happen over and over again. You're not recovering from that very often.

Openers are there for a primary purpose of surviving the new ball. If they get to 30-0 off 10 they've done a good job, and they probably want to be aiming for 70-1 after 20. That's leaving you a chase of 6.5 an over which is eminently doable if you have wickets in hand.


Its fine you disagree. Our club used to think like that once upon a time, too. But times changes, tactics evolve. England used to think that setting 260 would be enough to win an ODI 9 times out of 10.

Here's a conundrum for you: You're the fielding captain. You're defending 200 off 40 overs. You can see two old duffers strapping their pads on. You figure out the opposition are going to send out two blockers to try and see off your opening bowlers, before the stroke-maker at number 4 comes in to accelerate against the change bowlers. What do you do?
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: SLA on July 13, 2018, 01:51:07 PM
I think the days of both the opening pair just aiming to see the new ball off are gone by now aren't they? Speaking as an opener, there's no better time to be an agressive batsman than in the first few overs - the field is all in, the bowling tends to be fairly predictable, amateur bowlers tend to feel their way into a spell, and you've got a nice new hard ball pinging off your bat. Room for adjusting to conditions obviously, but if I've got 15no in the first ten overs I'd be pretty disappointed with myself if it's a decent track. Slow starts can put a lot of pressure on the middle order.


I remember being told "the openers job is to take the shine off the ball" in the early 90s, but I too thought those days gone by the mid 2000s as too many clubs were wise to it, but when I joined my current club, that was still the thinking. I persuaded them to try something different and combine one aggressive and one defensive opener, with the stroke-maker in at 3, and without any change of personnel our average score went up by 50% and we got promoted 2 years in a row.


Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: richthekeeper on July 13, 2018, 01:58:51 PM
Come on, I'm not talking about an old duffer blocking out 10 overs. I'm talking about reducing your risk in the first 10 overs, putting the bad ball away if it comes but not trying to force the game.

Of course I'd like to be 40-0 off 10, but I definitely don't want to be 40-3.  As an opener another part of your job is to assess the conditions - if it's an absolute road of course you want to play shots. I still wouldn't advocate putting a pinch hitter in to open, it's just giving away a wicket.

Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: richthekeeper on July 13, 2018, 02:01:08 PM
Also in fairness my team has players from 3-8 who can all be relied upon to score at a run a ball minimum, so perhaps we just have a better middle order than most.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: SLA on July 13, 2018, 02:20:10 PM
I'm talking about reducing your risk in the first 10 overs, putting the bad ball away if it comes but not trying to force the game.

Right, which is EXACTLY the attitude I want you to have as the fielding team captain. We used to experience this all the time, and it was basically the opposition giving us the game on a plate. Don't see it much anymore, its very much 20th century strategy.

We'll bowl our medium pacers at you to a ring field, no bad balls, nothing you can really hit unless you're prepared to force it or go over the top, then after 16 overs when you're on about 40 and horribly behind the rate, you've missed the chance to cash in against our weaker bowlers, and your numbers 3 and 4 are shouting obscenities at you from the pavilion, finally you lose a wicket,  we bring our real opening bowlers on, your middle order are forced to try and hit quick good length away swingers on the up from the off, with 3 slips waiting, and its goodnight sam.

Have you honestly never come across these tactics? Its gone from off-the-wall to standard thinking in the past 10 years.

Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: richthekeeper on July 13, 2018, 02:23:35 PM
Genuinely never encountered a team saving their best bowlers for the middle overs in all my (12 or so) years of playing league cricket.

You must have some very good medium pacers if there are no bad balls - in my league there's at least one every 2 overs.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: SLA on July 13, 2018, 02:26:38 PM
Mathematically speaking, the correct strategy is to identify the optimum risk level to win you the game, and then adjust your aggressiveness depending upon the quality of the bowling so that you reduce your aggressiveness against the stronger bowlers and increase your aggressiveness against the weaker bowlers so that you maintain the same risk level throughout the innings.

If I as the fielding team captain can trick you into reducing your aggressiveness against my weaker bowlers, then you will have to take on excessive risk against my stronger bowlers, then I've forced you into a suboptimal strategy and significantly reduced your win probability. Batting sides that have a rigid "low aggression during the first 10 overs" mindset and basically setting themselves up to fall straight into this trap.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: SLA on July 13, 2018, 02:33:32 PM
Genuinely never encountered a team saving their best bowlers for the middle overs in all my (12 or so) years of playing league cricket.

You must have some very good medium pacers if there are no bad balls - in my league there's at least one every 2 overs.


There are plenty of slowish medium pacers around who can put 6 balls out of 6 there or thereabouts. A confident batsman will just step down the pitch and smash them over long-on for 6, but if you have a bloke who has been told "nothing risky", then quite often feel obliged to just pat the ball back over and over.

Of course, if as fielding team captain you're trying to wind up the batsmen in the pavilion so that they're lost their head before they even walk out to bat, this kind of innocuous stuff is the perfect bowling to do it with. As a skipper I quite like to field on the boundary near the pavilion every once in a while to eavesdrop on what the mood is in the camp and have a think about how to make it worse. Batsmen arguing amongst themselves and moaning about the guys in the middle batting too slowly against such rubbish bowling is music to your ears.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: richthekeeper on July 13, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Arguably if you have two bowlers who can bowl so economically that the opposition is unable to score then they are by definition your best bowlers. Your tactics essentially rely on the batting team being incapable or unwilling to adapt to the bowling which is not at all the point I was making.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: SLA on July 13, 2018, 02:50:01 PM
Arguably if you have two bowlers who can bowl so economically that the opposition is unable to score then they are by definition your best bowlers. Your tactics essentially rely on the batting team being incapable or unwilling to adapt to the bowling which is not at all the point I was making.

But the point is that they only bowl economically because the opposition is trying to play "low-risk cricket". If the opposition were playing normally and trying to score at the required rate or slightly above, then these bowlers would be cannon fodder.


"your tactics essentially rely on the batting team being incapable or unwilling to adapt to the bowling "

It relies on teams not knowing that these aren't our best bowlers. Which teams often don't, how would they? Would you be able to guess if you were opening against a team you had never played against before? You might think you were doing a fantastic job seeing off the opening bowlers.

If you've been in the same league as another team for a few seasons then all regular tactics go out of the window anyway as you start to get to know each batsman and what type of bowling he doesn't like to face.

 
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: richthekeeper on July 13, 2018, 03:04:52 PM
...but your tactics rely on knowing that the batting team comes out with a defensive mentality?

I guess you can take your weak bowler off after an over or two if you realise that they're getting smacked, but psychologically that's a negative move, and you might have given away 15-20 runs in that time.

As an opener my first thought is to not get out, but if the oppo bowling is not threatening, I'm not going to just pat balls back and let the guy bowl maidens at me.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: SLA on July 13, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
...but your tactics rely on knowing that the batting team comes out with a defensive mentality?

I guess you can take your weak bowler off after an over or two if you realise that they're getting smacked, but psychologically that's a negative move, and you might have given away 15-20 runs in that time.

As an opener my first thought is to not get out, but if the oppo bowling is not threatening, I'm not going to just pat balls back and let the guy bowl maidens at me.

You just said "reducing your risk and not trying to force the game", but now you say you're not going to let a guy (who for all you know, might be their best bowler) bowl maidens at you? Which is it? If your job is to see off the openers and set up a platform and you go for a big shot off the 3rd over and get caught at cover, what is your skipper going to say when you get back to the pavilion?



Pretty much every team in our league does this, because teams just keep walking into the trap, its like they can't help themselves, despite it being a common tactic for a decade now. It works in 40-over cricket, and a similar trick works a treat in 20-over cricket as well.

It's like poker, isn't it. You don't show your cards up front. Do what the opposition least expect. Hold your best bowler back for when your opposition have to start upping the rate and then watch the wickets fall.



Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on July 13, 2018, 03:39:42 PM
You just said "reducing your risk and not trying to force the game", but now you say you're not going to let a guy (who for all you know, might be their best bowler) bowl maidens at you? Which is it? If your job is to see off the openers and set up a platform and you go for a big shot off the 3rd over and get caught at cover, what is your skipper going to say when you get back to the pavilion?



Pretty much every team in our league does this, because teams just keep walking into the trap, its like they can't help themselves, despite it being a common tactic for a decade now. It works in 40-over cricket, and a similar trick works a treat in 20-over cricket as well.

It's like poker, isn't it. You don't show your cards up front. Do what the opposition least expect. Hold your best bowler back for when your opposition have to start upping the rate and then watch the wickets fall.

Both approaches work and both have direct failings. The beauty of Cricket (or should be unless We keep dumbing it down) is you can go about it in many ways and both teams should have to score runs AND take (so nit just sit back and let run rate take wickets) wickets to win. If you want to go out hitting do it.. if you want to plod.. do it.. as long as you can take wickets as well then you deserve to win .

If you just hit 300and then bowl dry and defensive and just wait for the inevitable slog out.. thatís not really taking wickets .. thatís the poor format not forcing you to have to take their Wickets. Itís why all teams are slowly becoming the same.. spinners dart it in.. pace hide the ball and batters just tee off

Similarly if you leak 300and canít score 300but they arenít good enough to get you out then itís a draw. That is literally what a draw is.. neither side deserves to win as they canít be better at both batting and bowling

I agree draw Cricket can have boring games but so does win lose. Both have as many one sided results as each other. The difference really is the skills one format involves compare to the more limited skill sets of another
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: richthekeeper on July 13, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
You just said "reducing your risk and not trying to force the game", but now you say you're not going to let a guy (who for all you know, might be their best bowler) bowl maidens at you? Which is it? If your job is to see off the openers and set up a platform and you go for a big shot off the 3rd over and get caught at cover, what is your skipper going to say when you get back to the pavilion?


Itís both.  You can play positively without taking risks, and if the bowler isnít threatening then the need to be defensive is reduced.

In short, see off the openers if theyíre good. If theyíre sh*te then hit them for 4 :)
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: mo_town on July 16, 2018, 09:49:43 AM
Won the game on Saturday. Beat the 2nd placed team in the Div by 100 odd runs! All is well in world :D
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: ppccopener on July 16, 2018, 10:18:07 AM
yeah we   beat 2nd top team to climb off the bottom by one wicket with two youngsters hitting the winning runs. The joy was evident all round

I stonewalled for 20 runs off 20 overs against some quality spin on a nightmare of a pitch. Probably the most satisfying innings all year because it kept them at bay when they thought they were thru us

one thing is for sure, don't give up. The cricket gods will get you if you do  :)
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: mo_town on July 16, 2018, 10:48:18 AM
Hopefully we can sustain the good run in the coming weeks...My only concern now is to focus on my batting...I recently got a BB B20 from Tai. The middle on it is amazing. The problem I have had in the past 2 innings with it is that I am trying to hit the ball to the next county from ball one. Got caught behind of a spinner in one game and got bowled off a spinner in the game in Sat. Hopefully in my next innings I will try to play it calm at the start of the innings and play myself in. Cant wait to see how far I can hit with the B20! :D
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: HallamKeeper on July 16, 2018, 11:51:26 AM
So this weekend we tied batting first. 255/9 played 255/9. It was a really good game. But it still doesn't make me feel very confident for the season if we continue as we have.

We started predictably slowly. I think we were about 96-6 at the halfway mark and then we just went ballistic. It was a great performance from 3 of our bats but it does underline our main issue. We are relying on bats 7-10 to score the majority of the runs in less than half the overs. When it comes off it looks good but it rarely does, especially chasing.

I feel we need to more aggressive to stop the bowlers settling into a rhythm. Certainly running hard helps but I wouldn't say we are terrible at that. But the field is usually very tight because we aren't hitting boundaries. So we prod around and then their slow bowlers come on and the field goes back and boundaries are still an issue when we are looking to up the rate. Again singles are fine but difficult against accurate bowling.

We bowled well in spells. But again I think we are too formulaic with our bowling. I don't know about others but the shine and shape of the ball is gone after the first 10 usually, we aren't great at looking after it but it still won't last long. Half the teams in the league have a very aggressive opener the other half have two slow scoring types who look to get to 50-0 once the opening bowlers are done. We use our better seamers to open and close an innings with our poorer bowlers at the start.

I often think we would be better using the first couple of overs for our quicks to hopefully nick 1 or 2 out then put our slower bowlers on for a bit and use our best bowlers for when they are looking to accelerate later on.

A bowler I used to play with moved teams and they had the sense to put him at 1st change instead of opening. I'd say he is one of the best 3 bowlers in the league. They open with tight accurate bowlers then bring him on to bowl very fast nasty stuff at 3-7 to blow them away. He opened when he played with me and often got 1 or 2 wickets but was just too good and missed the outside edge over and over. You could tell they were seeing him off. Now he comes on when you think you've seen off the openers and forces you to try to score off the canny slow bowler at the other end. Great tactics.
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: SLA on July 16, 2018, 11:58:48 AM
So this weekend we tied batting first. 255/9 played 255/9. It was a really good game. But it still doesn't make me feel very confident for the season if we continue as we have.

We started predictably slowly. I think we were about 96-6 at the halfway mark and then we just went ballistic. It was a great performance from 3 of our bats but it does underline our main issue. We are relying on bats 7-10 to score the majority of the runs in less than half the overs. When it comes off it looks good but it rarely does, especially chasing.

I feel we need to more aggressive to stop the bowlers settling into a rhythm. Certainly running hard helps but I wouldn't say we are terrible at that. But the field is usually very tight because we aren't hitting boundaries. So we prod around and then their slow bowlers come on and the field goes back and boundaries are still an issue when we are looking to up the rate. Again singles are fine but difficult against accurate bowling.

We bowled well in spells. But again I think we are too formulaic with our bowling. I don't know about others but the shine and shape of the ball is gone after the first 10 usually, we aren't great at looking after it but it still won't last long. Half the teams in the league have a very aggressive opener the other half have two slow scoring types who look to get to 50-0 once the opening bowlers are done. We use our better seamers to open and close an innings with our poorer bowlers at the start.

I often think we would be better using the first couple of overs for our quicks to hopefully nick 1 or 2 out then put our slower bowlers on for a bit and use our best bowlers for when they are looking to accelerate later on.

A bowler I used to play with moved teams and they had the sense to put him at 1st change instead of opening. I'd say he is one of the best 3 bowlers in the league. They open with tight accurate bowlers then bring him on to bowl very fast nasty stuff at 3-7 to blow them away. He opened when he played with me and often got 1 or 2 wickets but was just too good and missed the outside edge over and over. You could tell they were seeing him off. Now he comes on when you think you've seen off the openers and forces you to try to score off the canny slow bowler at the other end. Great tactics.


I'm sure I had a very similar discussion about these tactics with someone last week.

At 96-6, you're lucky you weren't 120 all out, certainly most of the clubs I've played for rarely have someone capable of scoring a 50 in the bottom 5. why are your best batsmen at 7-10? why not bat them higher?
Title: Re: How does one stay motivated during a bad team run?
Post by: HallamKeeper on July 16, 2018, 01:38:32 PM

I'm sure I had a very similar discussion about these tactics with someone last week.

At 96-6, you're lucky you weren't 120 all out, certainly most of the clubs I've played for rarely have someone capable of scoring a 50 in the bottom 5. why are your best batsmen at 7-10? why not bat them higher?

I have no idea. We tend to bat the 4 batsmen in the top 6 and everyone else is an allrounder who can each score 10-50 on their day (more likely when setting than chasing). I'm now a keeper who bats at 11, which I am really not happy about considering I was a number 5 two years ago who averaged 35.