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Title: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on September 05, 2018, 06:35:33 PM
Hi all,

Ive finally decided i want to have a go at attempting to make my own bat. Im based up in the north east and im really not sure of any batmakers up this way that i could lean on for advice etc.

Obviously to start off with ill be buying a couple of low grade part mades to give me an idea of wether its something i can do before potentially looking at some higher grades.

Anyone know where i can get my hands on some part mades to kick off with? Ive already pulled a lot of info from this very forum so ive a good idea of what tools i need to begin with.

I bought an Aldred bat last year and its kind of indpired me to have a go at my own and was going to email him to see if he can supply me with some partmades but sny other sources would be handy.

Any other advice would be most welcome!!

Cheers
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Ams4287 on September 05, 2018, 06:40:17 PM
Although West Yorkshire you could try Jedi
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: WSB on September 05, 2018, 06:55:55 PM
There are always a few partmades on sale and various bits and pieces (handles, clefts) on eBay from time to time. Id search on there to see if there is anything available.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on September 05, 2018, 07:16:37 PM
Thanks for the replies so far. Just getting my kit list together and watching every youtube video i can on batmaking.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: stevat on September 05, 2018, 07:39:25 PM
I'm also in your neck of the woods, albeit more northern and barcodey than you by the looks of your name. Do Crown in Boldon still make bats?

Kippax and Jedi are probably our closest besides them. I've thought of trying it myself, best of luck to you. May well come to you for advice if I give it a crack.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on September 05, 2018, 07:51:58 PM
I'm also in your neck of the woods, albeit more northern and barcodey than you by the looks of your name. Do Crown in Boldon still make bats?

Kippax and Jedi are probably our closest besides them. I've thought of trying it myself, best of luck to you. May well come to you for advice if I give it a crack.

Ha yeah just on the outskirts of sunderland and durham.

Crown did a weight reduction for me a good few years back but he has been quiet on social media so not sure if hes still going.

Mainly been looking for advice and trying to hoover up as much info as i can to give me a rough idea of what im doing!!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: stevat on September 05, 2018, 08:29:11 PM
Houghton? Hetton?

This is definitely a good source of information, loads of talented people on here. Couldn't hurt to drop the likes of Aldred an email and ask for advice, he's said before he likes to give back and nurture the next generation of batmakers.

Make sure you take lots of photos, and let us know if you need any Guinea pigs to test them.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on September 05, 2018, 08:58:19 PM
Houghton? Hetton?

This is definitely a good source of information, loads of talented people on here. Couldn't hurt to drop the likes of Aldred an email and ask for advice, he's said before he likes to give back and nurture the next generation of batmakers.

Make sure you take lots of photos, and let us know if you need any Guinea pigs to test them.
Penshaw mate. Just next to houghton.

I will be emailing aldred as ive been watching his videos and the bat he made me was top notch.

Hopefully my bats will be good enough to let someone else see them!!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: stevat on September 05, 2018, 09:37:56 PM
Sure they will mate.  Just have to be dogged and keep working away at them.  Have a flick through some of the bat making threads on here, some of the early bats look ropey at first but are recovered to looking great by the end - I think the thing that improves most with practice is the time it takes to reach that finished product.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Andythomo21 on September 05, 2018, 09:55:46 PM
Iím also North Yorkshire/North East.  Have slowly been amassing tools, part-mades etc and will get round to giving batmaking a go at some point.  No North East batmakers spring to mind.  The nearest to me is Nick Nixon in Malton, North Yorkshire.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: edge on September 06, 2018, 06:06:35 AM
Definitely recommend giving it a go, to be honest as long as you're fairly handy you can pick up the knowledge required off the internet quite easily too. I found the best bet was to get a plane and get cracking, then deal with any problems as they come up - did my first bat with just one plane and it taught me plenty enough without getting too complicated in terms of tools. Any questions you come up with then the forum is always a good place to find answers.

Grade-wise, just buy low grades - the jump in price isn't worth it! Aldred does do part mades, I've had them from Hunts and H4L before with good results. Best to get in contact with whatever batmaker and chat it through with them as what different makers think of as a partmade can vary quite widely. Has anyone had a partmade off Jedi?
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: JK Lewis on September 06, 2018, 08:39:18 AM
Best of luck with it, you'll have a lot of fun! As edge mentioned, Paul will happily sell you partmades, butterfly willow. I've had 3 from him and they were all great to work with. There are others too but they are all further south. It is good to be able to meet and talk with the batmaker you buy the clefts from, get lots of good advice. Don't forget to post your photos up here!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: GarrettJ on September 06, 2018, 10:04:28 AM
im in Darlington

I have made a few bats and have all the tools .....

Travisher
Planes - various sizes
Sanding thing
Spokeshaves

i dont bother making them now as i have moved on from cricket since retirement.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKd4qrsWIAA76UP.jpg:large)

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=30196.45 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=30196.45)

Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on September 06, 2018, 11:29:05 AM
im in Darlington

I have made a few bats and have all the tools .....

Travisher
Planes - various sizes
Sanding thing
Spokeshaves

i dont bother making them now as i have moved on from cricket since retirement.

([url]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKd4qrsWIAA76UP.jpg:large[/url])

[url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=30196.45[/url] ([url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=30196.45[/url])


Would you be interested in selling some of your tools?
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: GarrettJ on September 06, 2018, 01:14:49 PM
i can do ......... what is it you would like?

as a fellow sunderland fan ill do you a deal :)

Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on September 06, 2018, 02:04:12 PM
i can do ......... what is it you would like?

as a fellow sunderland fan ill do you a deal :)

Top man - we'll take this to PM so as not to clog up this thread if thats ok with you!!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Cholrudee on September 08, 2018, 07:07:30 AM
J.S.Wright and Sons Ltd offer student packs.

http://www.cricketbatwillow.com/products/ (http://www.cricketbatwillow.com/products/)

Mr. Jeremy Ruggles - jeremyruggles@cricketbatwillow.com

(https://i.imgur.com/uFVMw5S.jpg)

Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on September 11, 2018, 08:36:43 AM
J.S.Wright and Sons Ltd offer student packs.

[url]http://www.cricketbatwillow.com/products/[/url] ([url]http://www.cricketbatwillow.com/products/[/url])

Mr. Jeremy Ruggles - jeremyruggles@cricketbatwillow.com

([url]https://i.imgur.com/uFVMw5S.jpg[/url])


Yeah i saw that - at this point i dont have the tools for pressing or handling clefts - i'm going to have a go with a few part mades to begin with and will look for additional kit once i know i can do it!

BTW anyone know what sort of cash a bat press would go for? I've been googling and there is very little info knocking about on these mysterious machines!!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on September 11, 2018, 09:26:39 AM
Yeah i saw that - at this point i dont have the tools for pressing or handling clefts - i'm going to have a go with a few part mades to begin with and will look for additional kit once i know i can do it!

BTW anyone know what sort of cash a bat press would go for? I've been googling and there is very little info knocking about on these mysterious machines!!

A bat press will be anywhere from £2k up

You may be able to design and get one made for less but for a true tried and tested press they are big money, plus people very rarely move them on
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: stevat on September 11, 2018, 11:26:01 AM
You can get a press second hand from India for a bit less than that, guessing but I suspect that once you factor in import duties and shipping for something that heavy it will be up around £1500 - that said that is for a hand turn press.

Essentially you can make your own if you've got a means of applying measured pressure to a rotational steel round the width of a cricket bat face.  IIRC someone on here made one, @JK Lewis maybe?
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 11, 2018, 11:50:05 AM
@Northern monkey weren't you making a press?
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: edge on September 11, 2018, 12:03:24 PM
They aren't a complicated thing at all so a friendly old school fabrication shop would probably the way to go if you can't do the work yourself, but likely it'd still cost a fair few quid.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Northern monkey on September 11, 2018, 12:24:12 PM
Easy enough to knock one up, if your either used to that sort of thing, or have a friendly local engineering shop?

I made one using a long old lathe bed and a hydraulic bearing press, the feed for the cleft was pneumatic from a mobile tyre fitting machine.
But Iíve stripped it down as it filled my shed, so Iím going to massively simplify it over the winter.
Iím not making loads of bats so it was stupidly over engineered.
Iím gonna look at using an old mangle too, which are still really cheap on eBay

Whatever you do, thereís tons of pics and vids out there to help
And that is especially relevant to using the tools and the bat finishing etc

Good luck with it

Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Northern monkey on September 11, 2018, 12:27:33 PM
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Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: tuffers007 on September 11, 2018, 01:41:51 PM
Easy enough to knock one up, if your either used to that sort of thing, or have a friendly local engineering shop?

I made one using a long old lathe bed and a hydraulic bearing press, the feed for the cleft was pneumatic from a mobile tyre fitting machine.
But Iíve stripped it down as it filled my shed, so Iím going to massively simplify it over the winter.
Iím not making loads of bats so it was stupidly over engineered.
Iím gonna look at using an old mangle too, which are still really cheap on eBay

Whatever you do, thereís tons of pics and vids out there to help
And that is especially relevant to using the tools and the bat finishing etc

Good luck with it

Fancy making me one?!!  :)
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Northern monkey on September 11, 2018, 02:00:04 PM
Let me see how simple I can make one ;)
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: edge on September 11, 2018, 02:19:29 PM
Re. mangle press, assume you've seen this @Northern monkey ? http://www.mangled-bats.co.uk/about-us.html (http://www.mangled-bats.co.uk/about-us.html)
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Northern monkey on September 11, 2018, 04:34:01 PM
Iíve seen every picture etc of presses there is ha
Tbh I donít like the fact they have to be bought in from wherever
Most engineering shops will be able to knock one up, and would, I imagine, be keen to do it.
Or buy a few bits of old machinery off eBay and have a go
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on September 11, 2018, 05:19:01 PM
Iíve seen every picture etc of presses there is ha
Tbh I donít like the fact they have to be bought in from wherever
Most engineering shops will be able to knock one up, and would, I imagine, be keen to do it.
Or buy a few bits of old machinery off eBay and have a go
Reckon you could give up making bats and set up a decent bat press making business!!

Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: edge on September 11, 2018, 05:34:15 PM
Iíve seen every picture etc of presses there is ha
Tbh I donít like the fact they have to be bought in from wherever
Most engineering shops will be able to knock one up, and would, I imagine, be keen to do it.
Or buy a few bits of old machinery off eBay and have a go
Yeah, exactly the kind of job for your old fashioned engineering shop isn't it. Like your use of an old lathe bed, that makes sense for keeping it fairly simple. Top half of a cider press might be a good plan I reckon!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Northern monkey on September 11, 2018, 07:02:34 PM
Iím in Oxfordshire and I googled steel supplies to get a few bits cut up to length, and the place I went to, was in the middle of nowhere, he charged me naff all for the steel, and said heíd knock a press up no bother, if I drew it up.
Most engineers in these shops are bored witless with long runs etc, so a bit of variety like this will go down well
Itís only a basic framework, use a bottle jack or something for the pressing bit
I used a winch roller off eBay, 2 for 25quid, rated for 3.5 tonne
Stick an old lathe bed under it
Etc etc etc

Some of the old mangles are perfect too, thereís leather shoe presses, but they fetch a bit more on eBay
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on September 25, 2018, 10:05:18 AM
I've got some part mades ready to order - ordered a workbench off ebay last night.

Just need to get hold of some tools - Hoping to buy some unused ones of a chap on this board and i'm ready to go(hopefully!!)

Cant wait!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: cricketbadger on September 25, 2018, 11:35:26 AM
Northern monkey that is very impressive stuff. Make it sound very straight forward
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Northern monkey on September 25, 2018, 02:42:43 PM
Iím sorry if I made it sound that way,,,im an engineer by trade
Google and you tube through all the different ones, and youíll see they are very simple.
A local engineering shop will knock one up no bother,, I suppose it will depend on how industrial you want it etc
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on September 30, 2018, 02:36:52 PM
Workbench arrived on Friday. Next is a vice.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on October 06, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
Massive thanks to @GarrettJ for meeting me today and sorting me out with all the tools Iíll need.

A gentleman and a scholar!!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: GarrettJ on October 08, 2018, 10:13:47 AM
Was great meeting you to and having a chat about all things cricket.

Let me know how you get on.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on October 08, 2018, 06:34:12 PM
Was great meeting you to and having a chat about all things cricket.

Let me know how you get on.
Will do mate - cleaning out the garage now so i can build my bench.

Could have stood and chatted for ages - did you enjoy the match?
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: GarrettJ on October 09, 2018, 09:10:39 AM
i think we chatted for well over an hour ... you are welcome to pop in any time you are round my way.

Match was great ... had everything ... goals, sending off, missed penalty and a victory for Sunderland.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on October 09, 2018, 12:59:34 PM
Had my first drawknife injury already.

Practising on a knackered bat and slipped. Straight into thumb.

Luckily it was the smaller but bloody hell thats sharp!

Next item on shopping list, first aid kit for workshop   :D
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: stevat on October 09, 2018, 01:08:52 PM
Had my first drawknife injury already.

Practising on a knackered bat and slipped. Straight into thumb.

Luckily it was the smaller but bloody hell thats sharp!

Next item on shopping list, first aid kit for workshop   :D

And a thimble?
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: GarrettJ on October 09, 2018, 03:34:52 PM
i hate those draw knives ... my thumb was nearly hanging off

Best to use the plane or travisher
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: GarrettJ on October 09, 2018, 03:38:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMmALAUk1-0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMmALAUk1-0)

drawknife video including sharpening
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on October 09, 2018, 03:59:25 PM
And a thimble?
artificial thumb for when I chop mine off!
Basically just gouged into the knuckle! But if blood and a fair bit of swearing!!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on October 09, 2018, 04:38:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMmALAUk1-0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMmALAUk1-0)

drawknife video including sharpening

Handy cheers
Got a ton of videos and pages bookmarked to help me out.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: e4sby on October 09, 2018, 05:50:37 PM
Good luck and enjoy shaping! Been a fair few years since I gave it a go (CE bats) one day I might have a good at it again.

Never had any drawknife accidents more blisters from using the travisher!

Plenty of videos nowadays, back then I had an hour down at fusion with James and away I went. My only regret was not keeping one of the bats then selling my branding to someone infamous on here....
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on October 09, 2018, 06:31:45 PM
Good luck and enjoy shaping! Been a fair few years since I gave it a go (CE bats) one day I might have a good at it again.

Never had any drawknife accidents more blisters from using the travisher!

Plenty of videos nowadays, back then I had an hour down at fusion with James and away I went. My only regret was not keeping one of the bats then selling my branding to someone infamous on here....

Thanks

Got a garage to clear first but have tools, vice and bench and a source for part mades to begin with so all ready to go.

Hoping to spend some time with a bat maker  to get some tips. Been emailing Paul Aldred as I bought a bat last year so might bend his ear for a bit!!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on November 02, 2018, 10:46:29 AM
Quick update chaps - spent a little while getting some money together to buy gear. Last night a big box arrived from @Red Ink Cricket and in there was a part made and 2 damaged clefts which i will be using to mess around with and get used to tools before trying the part made.

Cant wait to get cracking with this now and big thanks to John for sorting me out - the part made looks very decent for the grade it was described at - will be documenting everything and hopefully showing off my bat shaping prowess on here (i reserve the right not to if it all goes horribly wrong!!)
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Buzz on November 02, 2018, 05:33:06 PM
Quick update chaps - spent a little while getting some money together to buy gear. Last night a big box arrived from @Red Ink Cricket and in there was a part made and 2 damaged clefts which i will be using to mess around with and get used to tools before trying the part made.

Cant wait to get cracking with this now and big thanks to John for sorting me out - the part made looks very decent for the grade it was described at - will be documenting everything and hopefully showing off my bat shaping prowess on here (i reserve the right not to if it all goes horribly wrong!!)

more of this please!!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: e4sby on November 02, 2018, 06:14:40 PM
Quick update chaps - spent a little while getting some money together to buy gear. Last night a big box arrived from @Red Ink Cricket and in there was a part made and 2 damaged clefts which i will be using to mess around with and get used to tools before trying the part made.

Cant wait to get cracking with this now and big thanks to John for sorting me out - the part made looks very decent for the grade it was described at - will be documenting everything and hopefully showing off my bat shaping prowess on here (i reserve the right not to if it all goes horribly wrong!!)

Make sure all your tools are razor sharp, itíll make shaping a whole lot easier.

Plenty of advice available on here and plenty of videos on youtube.

Been ten years plus since Iíve wielded a drawknife so would be starting where you are at now

Good luck!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on November 03, 2018, 12:17:15 AM
Well Iíve made a start on one of the damaged clefts which were bought as practice to get used to using the tools etc.

Its a lot tougher than it looks on the videos but I havenít lost a finger as yet so Iím taking that as a success!

Getting used to the drawknife and it can take a lot out with not a lot of effort!
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on November 03, 2018, 11:58:53 AM
Make sure all your tools are razor sharp, itíll make shaping a whole lot easier.

Plenty of advice available on here and plenty of videos on youtube.

Been ten years plus since Iíve wielded a drawknife so would be starting where you are at now

Good luck!

yeah i think the tools i have need sharpening - i picked them up from a lad on here who hadnt used them for a while so i dont know how long since they were sharpened.

Any suggestions for sharpening items would be greatly apreciated.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Northern monkey on November 03, 2018, 06:32:50 PM
YouTube for the drawknife sharpening, and please be incredibly careful, sharpening them is a quick way to lose a finger
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: e4sby on November 03, 2018, 06:53:20 PM
Or if you have a local joinery shop they are usually willing to sharpen for a few quid

Otherwise itís an oil stone and like Northern Monkey said be extremely careful
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on November 03, 2018, 10:37:06 PM
YouTube for the drawknife sharpening, and please be incredibly careful, sharpening them is a quick way to lose a finger

You've just jinxed me now.

Pray for my fingers  ;)

There is a hire me tool place just down the road - might have a wander in there and see if they know where i can get it done.
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Northern monkey on November 04, 2018, 08:37:26 AM
Thereís no jinxing mate
A decent draw knife is a blooming lethal thing,
Because the blades not removable or easy to mount in a vice etc, thereís a very specific way to sharpen them
You need to watch the you tube vid where one handle is held against your chest .
Youíll know what I mean when you watch it,
And do it slowly , with a finger dangling down as a stop against the blunt end of the knife

Iíll get the missus to take a couple pics later , but try and watch a few vids,,,most are of Americans and are very very good
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on November 04, 2018, 11:03:52 AM
Thereís no jinxing mate
A decent draw knife is a blooming lethal thing,
Because the blades not removable or easy to mount in a vice etc, thereís a very specific way to sharpen them
You need to watch the you tube vid where one handle is held against your chest .
Youíll know what I mean when you watch it,
And do it slowly , with a finger dangling down as a stop against the blunt end of the knife

Iíll get the missus to take a couple pics later , but try and watch a few vids,,,most are of Americans and are very very good

Yea i watched a vid last night and saw how it was held. I've also found a guy in newcastle who can sharpen plane blades so i think he will do a drawknife with no issues - might get them sharpened by him first and then look at stones on amazon or other places.

Anyone got any recommendations for sharpenting stones to buy?
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: GarrettJ on November 07, 2018, 09:19:14 AM
use the travisher ..... forget the rest for now. You can make a decent bat using only a travisher.

Also plane the wood with the plane on and angle like this ............ / and go straight up and down, seemed to work better like that for me.

I think that travisher will need sharpening too but im unsure howto sharpen a curved blade.

 
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on November 07, 2018, 11:12:52 PM
use the travisher ..... forget the rest for now. You can make a decent bat using only a travisher.

Also plane the wood with the plane on and angle like this ............ / and go straight up and down, seemed to work better like that for me.

I think that travisher will need sharpening too but im unsure howto sharpen a curved blade.

The little drawknife has already claimed its first victim - nice nick in the knuckle in my left thumb - probably the first time i used it as well. :D

Got sharpening tools arriving tomorrow so all systems go again!

The travisher didnt half take a big lump out of the cleft i was practicing on though - going to have to work out how to sharpen that too.

Little side project i'm running as well making my own bat wax and hopefully selling it on - my little cricket empire is starting to take shape.

Had some cracking help from john at red ink - emailed crown sports in boldon twice now with no reply - guess he doesnt fancy helping a newbie out :-/
Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Northern monkey on November 10, 2018, 01:33:04 PM
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Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: Northern monkey on November 10, 2018, 01:44:37 PM
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Title: Re: Bat makers in North East England
Post by: SAFC2403 on November 10, 2018, 11:08:59 PM
my whetstone has arrived so tomorrow will be attempting my first tool sharpening. been watching tons of videos on how its done so fingers crossed it aall works out!