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Title: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: wasted_talent on October 01, 2018, 01:56:34 PM
Interesting to read today that Pakistan have called up Mohammed Hafeez to the test squad v the Aussies. He last played a test in 2016. Wonder if this is a backward step for them?

Looking at the squad picked, i'd guess they should go with
6 batsmen
saf
4 bowlers

3 spinners and 2 seamers surely the make up for these pitches?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Rob580 on October 01, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
They'll pick Shadab at 7 I would have thought and push Sarfraz up to 6.

Will be a decent series. Pak should win, but Nathan Lyon is a serious bowler as is Starc. Not sold on Neser & Holland though, and Mitch Marsh will struggle on these pitches in both disciplines, I reckon.

I don't think they'll be the sandpits like in Sri Lanka, more one for finger spinners to fire it into, in the way Ajmal & Rehman used to.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: wasted_talent on October 01, 2018, 02:09:50 PM
i'd personally think they should go:

Inam
Azhar
Babar
Haris
Asad
Hafeez
Saf
Shadab
Abbas
Wahab
Yasir

Not sure you need 3 seamers on these wickets, so pack the batting.

Lyon looks a threat for sure, has bowled beautifully in the current game v the A side.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Rob580 on October 01, 2018, 02:31:58 PM
Yeah, I like the look of that. I think they might play Faheem Ashraf instead of Hafeez, but I guess it depends how the wickets look.

More of a mystery is going to be the Aussie line up!
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: wasted_talent on October 01, 2018, 02:37:04 PM
Purely based on history, i just dont think 3 seamers is the way to go. The 2-0 series loss to Sri Lanka, should tell Pakistan that.

Yup, the aussies side is a big guessing game. Though they have got good batting time out in the middle in thia warm up game. However, Pakistan didnt pick one specialist spinner.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: t2ylo on October 01, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
When does the series start and please tell me it's on TV in the UK?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: ppccopener on October 01, 2018, 04:24:50 PM
mohammed amir left out of a big series, unthinkable previously

he's not the same player as he was I don't think
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: brokenbat on October 01, 2018, 05:41:07 PM
aussies have a great chance to win.. Lyon has improved leaps and bounds and will threaten a relatively inexperienced batting lineup.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 01, 2018, 06:18:14 PM
As a Pakistani supporter I think Aussies will do really well

Pakistani bowling line up looks not great and batting often fragile

Safraz may be on last legs unless has big series
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 01, 2018, 08:56:14 PM
Surely if the ageless Hafeez plays he would open as he has in the past? Move Azhar Ali to 3. Sarfraz form has been pretty poor in recent times so batting 6 wouldn't really be justified

As for Australia, Renshaw got smashed in the head fielding at short leg. Looks like he'll be ok for the Test though. Australian side looks unrecognisable
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: HellomynameisJ on October 01, 2018, 10:13:50 PM
Personally I'm really looking forward to this series, a truly testing time for Australia, I think the homeground advantage will probably tip the series for Pakistan, but I don't think Australia will be as bad as everyone thinks, or at least I hope not.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: InternalTraining on October 01, 2018, 10:17:36 PM
Team AUS has a lot to prove and they will play their hearts out! I expect a great Test series.

If Finch opens, it'd be interesting to see how he adjusts.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 06, 2018, 11:28:52 AM
Who has the UK rights guys ?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 06, 2018, 01:54:18 PM
Australia named their XI for the first test, three debutants

Aaron Finch, Usman Khawaja, Shaun Marsh, Mitch Marsh, Travis Head, Marnus Labuschagne, Tim Paine (c), Mitchell Starc, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, Jon Holland.

Looks a dreadful side on paper. Khawaja hapless against spin. Mitchell marsh at 3 thought it was a joke. Head plays all his home matches Adelaide yet only average mid 30s in red ball cricket. Labushchafne? No idea who he is. Siddle ? Thought he was retired.

 Shadab Khan ruled out for the hosts with the groin injury sustained in the Asia cup
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 06, 2018, 02:07:46 PM
Thanks for the team heads up

How do we watch the first test in the UK ?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: HellomynameisJ on October 06, 2018, 02:14:29 PM
Not sure who else they could have picked to be honest, Finch deserves a shot in the white clothes, Mitch Marsh is comfortably the best all-rounder Australia has currently, and Peter Siddle is coming off some incredible form in county cricket and adds a degree of experience and leadership.

 I can't help but Head and Labuschagne are gut instinct selections, and why not, a fairly trivial UAE series that will fly under most radars is the perfect time to follow some hunches, both can bowl handy part time spin as well apparently.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 06, 2018, 03:32:53 PM
They left out Matthew Renshaw due to 'lack of match time' and according to Paine, Labushchagne had a good a team tour of India, he got a pair in the recently concluded match. Langer just picking players he's pals with
 
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 06, 2018, 03:33:28 PM
Thanks for the team heads up

How do we watch the first test in the UK ?
No uk coverage at present
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 06, 2018, 06:03:18 PM
That is one poor test team..
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: smilley792 on October 06, 2018, 07:48:48 PM
No uk coverage at present


Itís on sky.

Star gold, channel 729. Thatís a Pakistan channel, not entirely sure if itís free as havenít clicked on it via the box.

I know it doesnít work on sky go though, which is rubbish.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 07, 2018, 08:31:32 AM
Pakistan 89/0 at lunch. Australian bowling toothless
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 07, 2018, 08:42:12 AM
Time to break out the sandpaper to get it reversing
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mfarank on October 07, 2018, 08:57:09 AM
Pakistan 89/0 at lunch. Australian bowling toothless
U actually complimented pakistan team! Shocking!
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: liscon12 on October 07, 2018, 09:28:15 AM

Itís on sky.

Star gold, channel 729. Thatís a Pakistan channel, not entirely sure if itís free as havenít clicked on it via the box.

I know it doesnít work on sky go though, which is rubbish.
Works for me and its in HD providing you pay for HD

English commentary too
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 07, 2018, 01:15:25 PM
Pakistan 255/3 at stumps. After the first two sessions 199/0. Australia fought back in the final session 56/3

Hafeez 126
Imam 76
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: shadowlight on October 07, 2018, 02:51:07 PM
Why pick 2 all rounders, if you are not going to get them to bowl some overs.  Total of 3 overs out of the 5th bowler, while your main two bowlers have bowled 54 overs.  Both Starc and Lyon are going to very tired for the 2nd inning if Marsh and Labuschagne do not bowl more overs.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 07, 2018, 05:04:02 PM
Why pick 2 all rounders, if you are not going to get them to bowl some overs.  Total of 3 overs out of the 5th bowler, while your main two bowlers have bowled 54 overs.  Both Starc and Lyon are going to very tired for the 2nd inning if Marsh and Labuschagne do not bowl more overs.

Starc broke down near the end so he will be properly ran into the ground .. theyd be better off not flogging any of their genuine quicks in the UAE
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 07, 2018, 06:48:21 PM
Starc had cramp and should be fine according to the reporters in Dubai.

I'm presuming that Australia didn't use their 5th/6th bowlers more as they managed to control the run rate in the final session. They've got the new ball first thing in the morning, when according Rameez Raja it's the coolest time of day.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: shadowlight on October 07, 2018, 07:02:09 PM
Starc broke down near the end so he will be properly ran into the ground .. theyd be better off not flogging any of their genuine quicks in the UAE

Yeah, kind of surprised that he bowled that many overs.  I would have expected Mitch Marsh as the VC to say, let me bowl some more.  I would have even given Travis Head couple of overs to give the main bowlers a longer breather.

Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: rickjames on October 08, 2018, 09:16:21 AM
This is some absolutely dire cricket
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: HellomynameisJ on October 08, 2018, 09:22:49 AM
Absolutely awful for test cricket. Add this to the recent India vs Windies test and it's no wonder people think Test cricket is dying.

I certainly wouldn't say the Australians have bowled poorly, skip the formalities and just plug a bowling machine in at one end.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 08, 2018, 09:29:08 AM
If the Aussies haven't bowled badly as you say why is it aweful ?

Pkaistan must be batting well then by consequence

The game may be slow but that doesn't mean it's aweful ?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: LEACHY48 on October 08, 2018, 09:36:47 AM
If the Aussies haven't bowled badly as you say why is it aweful ?

Pkaistan must be batting well then by consequence

The game may be slow but that doesn't mean it's aweful ?

Itís awful for test cricket because the grounds man has prepared an absolute road thatís offering nothing for the bowling side, not even really turning. Itíll get worse through the test and eventually will turn square so the game will be won on the toss of a coin
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: HellomynameisJ on October 08, 2018, 09:41:55 AM
Pakistan have batted well, and the Aussies have Bowled very well to restrict them to a score that they most likely won't be able to declare at today. The longer they can keep Pakistan batting to a score that they feel comfortable declaring at the better at this point. Genuinely bad for the state of cricket.

What makes a good test match in my opinion is the presence of a contest, and conditions just haven't allowed that.

Realistically Sarfraz should win man of the match for winning the toss for his side, because ultimately, that is what will influence this match the most.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 08, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Fair comment but subcontinent conditions are often good for batting

How did wasim and waqar feel bowling in them home conditions for 15 years

I do see what you guys are saying ..it gets boring when pitch is dead
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 08, 2018, 10:39:22 AM
Whilst It's fairly dull cricket, Pakistan are pretty much ensuring that they are the only side that can win this Test. Australia have bowled but Holland has been dreadful hence why Lyon's already bowled some 50 odd overs. In fact Labushchagne looks a better bowler than Holland. No idea how Holland leapfrogged O'Keffe
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: rickjames on October 08, 2018, 11:15:25 AM
Whilst It's fairly dull cricket, Pakistan are pretty much ensuring that they are the only side that can win this Test. Australia have bowled but Holland has been dreadful hence why Lyon's already bowled some 50 odd overs. In fact Labushchagne looks a better bowler than Holland. No idea how Holland leapfrogged O'Keffe

O'Keefe likes spending most of his time down the pub
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: ppccopener on October 08, 2018, 12:23:11 PM
would this match be more interesting for the spectators/players/fans...if Australia were awarded the toss?

or would be exactly the same sort of cricket as we have?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 08, 2018, 12:34:44 PM
Pakistan did exactly the right thing .

Pakistan v Australia should be played in England or New Zealand for the awesome ups and downs and lots of wickets

It's a fascinating test because now aussies have to bat and see how they like the pressure
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 08, 2018, 12:40:52 PM
Hindsight is a funny thing but Paine might be regretting Holland's selection and perhaps wish he'd gone with Neser. Also they picked a slogger like Head ahead of Maxwell because Head's bowling is supposedly better, he even get a bowl
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Biggie Smalls on October 09, 2018, 01:40:28 AM
Agar or Doggett should come in for Holland in the 2nd test. Holland is rubbish .
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 09, 2018, 09:00:23 AM
Pakistan not bowling particularly well, both sides of the wicket. Wahab pace isn't there anymore either. Why did they ditch Hasan Ali? Pitch is still ridiculously flat as shown by Khawaja looking semi decent against spin
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: HellomynameisJ on October 09, 2018, 10:01:49 AM
Ball really starting to grip now, and Khawaja throws it away.
Bilal has a very...err.. interesting action..
But as expected the pitch seems to have turned a corner and it's hard to imagine the Aussies seeing out the day.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mfarank on October 09, 2018, 10:15:03 AM
Pakistan not bowling particularly well, both sides of the wicket. Wahab pace isn't there anymore either. Why did they ditch Hasan Ali? Pitch is still ridiculously flat as shown by Khawaja looking semi decent against spin
U were saying?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: stevat on October 09, 2018, 10:24:00 AM
4 wickets for 11 runs, game changes in a flash.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: SD on October 09, 2018, 11:25:12 AM
I can't imagine that Mitch Starc would be too happy being bowled into the ground then having to come out so soon to have to bat.  Those seam bowlers who weren't fit to make the tour have dodged a bullet here
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mfarank on October 09, 2018, 11:35:29 AM
How good is this guy Abbas. Bowls in high 120s, harmless stature, no extraordinary swing, But so disciplined and deadly. Had a great county season and averaging under 17 now making the aussies dance on this supposed "road track"
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 09, 2018, 11:49:49 AM
Shows even on a road the best can do something not saying starc is not unbeleivable but just shows
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 10, 2018, 01:32:47 PM
Pakistan Eventually declared on 181/6, setting Australia a highly unlikely 462 to win or bat out 130 overs. Australia started off well again 87-0 until Abbass bagged Finch 49, S Marsh 0 and M Marsh 0. Abbass comes across as a Mohammed Asif clone (Asif the best Pakistan seam bowler I've seen IMO). Khawaja got another half century and Head showing grit second time around. Yasir Shah seems off colour 0-122 off 43 overs thus far in the match.

How Australia thought someone like Mitchell Marsh is a top order batsman beggars belief, his Test career has been embarrassing aside from flogging a demoralized England side around during the last Ashes series. Marsh has more ducks than 50+ scores
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: shadowlight on October 10, 2018, 09:00:00 PM
Pakistan Eventually declared on 181/6, setting Australia a highly unlikely 462 to win or bat out 130 overs. Australia started off well again 87-0 until Abbass bagged Finch 49, S Marsh 0 and M Marsh 0. Abbass comes across as a Mohammed Asif clone (Asif the best Pakistan seam bowler I've seen IMO). Khawaja got another half century and Head showing grit second time around. Yasir Shah seems off colour 0-122 off 43 overs thus far in the match.

How Australia thought someone like Mitchell Marsh is a top order batsman beggars belief, his Test career has been embarrassing aside from flogging a demoralized England side around during the last Ashes series. Marsh has more ducks than 50+ scores

I guess the person who will get dropped after the series is over is Tim Paine and the Marsh brothers will survive  ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 10, 2018, 09:41:12 PM
As soon as a team scores 400 with more than 2 wickets remaining itís generally a crap test match.. way to many runs

600+... yeah thatís just crap and never produces good cricket
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 11, 2018, 07:45:10 AM
Surprised to see that the aussies are showing a bit of fight - Unlike their past few tours to asia
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 11, 2018, 09:13:39 AM
Khawaja gets to first hundred in Asia. Sarfraz captaincy pretty off so far. Takes new ball but not giving it to Abbas
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: wasted_talent on October 11, 2018, 10:57:52 AM
Aussies showing great fight here.
Not impressed with Saf's captaincy either.
I think his in dire need of a break from cricket.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 11, 2018, 11:17:45 AM
30 overs (theoretically) left, 6 an over wins it for the Aussies

Could we see them pull of the most unlikely victory?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Kulli on October 11, 2018, 11:20:54 AM
30 overs (theoretically) left, 6 an over wins it for the Aussies

Could we see them pull of the most unlikely victory?

Not a chance.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 11, 2018, 11:31:47 AM
Not a chance.

Stop being all realistic, let people dream!  ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Kulli on October 11, 2018, 11:40:29 AM
Was 130-1 on the betfair exchange at tea and is now 30-1, so somebody believes.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: brokenbat on October 11, 2018, 11:57:58 AM
Aussies are SO much easier to root for when Warner isn't in the team.. I hope they pull off a draw
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 11, 2018, 12:35:14 PM
yasir shah not done anything all game and gets 3 wickets in 8 balls. aussies choking
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 11, 2018, 12:51:28 PM
Seems a bit brainless that Starc came in before Siddle(granted get got a duck) and Lyon. The latter two are decent blockers whereas Starc is pretty much a slogger.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 11, 2018, 12:57:42 PM
Gary to block it home till the end
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 11, 2018, 01:00:23 PM
Funny to think Mitchell Marsh a supposed 'batsman' has passed fifty just the five times in 49 innings. Whereas Tim Paine has crossed fifty fives times in 24 innings.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: brokenbat on October 11, 2018, 01:22:33 PM
nailbiting finish.. would take this over an ODI slogfest any day
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 11, 2018, 01:24:50 PM
Sensational rearguard by the Australians
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 11, 2018, 01:25:30 PM
Lol and ppl were saying it was a dead game a couple of days ago

As a Pakistani supporter well.done the Aussies and played in the right spirit without Warner aggressive disgusting tactics
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: InternalTraining on October 11, 2018, 01:34:23 PM
Well played, team AUS!!

They are a young team and this draw should bolster their spirit and stature amongst their fellow national cricketers. Very well done!
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Biggie Smalls on October 11, 2018, 01:39:57 PM
Wow. Niiiice Gary !
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Buzz on October 11, 2018, 01:59:00 PM
What a massive effort from the Aussies.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 11, 2018, 02:00:18 PM
About time the Aussies showed some fight on the subcontinent. Massive change from their usual innings defeats.

They really shouldíve picked Maxwell over M.Marsh
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: wasted_talent on October 11, 2018, 02:08:38 PM
great effort from the aussies

quite unreal

not sure about hafeez only bowled 9 overs all game

also think pakistan should have a left arm spinner playing - needed for variation?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: shadowlight on October 11, 2018, 02:51:08 PM
They really shouldíve picked Maxwell over M.Marsh

Nah, that is not possible.  I think Langer is pushing for Mitch to take over captaincy
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: edge on October 11, 2018, 05:16:26 PM
Selecting from afar I think I'd actually have picked Maxwell over any of the top 6 that did take the field, never mind just Marsh! I know nothing at all about Labuschagne mind, but his first class stats are dreadful.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 11, 2018, 06:20:53 PM
Sensational rearguard by the Australians

People say draw cricket holds no interest.. if this was an ODI it would have been really really one sided and Aus would have had nothing to pay for
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 11, 2018, 06:37:28 PM
People say draw cricket holds no interest.. if this was an ODI it would have been really really one sided and Aus would have had nothing to pay for
I always consider a highly contested draw a bit like a boxing match. In this situation Pakistan dominated 70% of this match and on paper they achieved a winning draw. Whereas Australia somewhat dodged a bullet after being on the back foot for nearly all the match. But in a cricketing sense Australia actually got the winning draw in terms of the mental battle whereas Pakistan will be a little gutted with the outcome.

Always place in Test cricket for a good draw
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 11, 2018, 06:39:24 PM
Paine's keeping has been really good since he returned otherwise he could easily slot in at 4 in place of the hapless Mitchell Marsh. Paine actually looks like a batsman whereas Marsh looks like a tailender
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 11, 2018, 07:41:47 PM

Agree

I always consider a highly contested draw a bit like a boxing match. In this situation Pakistan dominated 70% of this match and on paper they achieved a winning draw. Whereas Australia somewhat dodged a bullet after being on the back foot for nearly all the match. But in a cricketing sense Australia actually got the winning draw in terms of the mental battle whereas Pakistan will be a little gutted with the outcome.

Always place in Test cricket for a good draw
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: sgcricket on October 12, 2018, 03:00:25 AM
Great spirit shown by Australia.

Surprised that Bilal and Abbas didn't try round the wicket in the last 10 overs.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 16, 2018, 07:44:01 AM
3 wickets in 4 balls for Garry - turning out to be a great first session for the aussies.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 16, 2018, 07:46:02 AM
Make that 4 wickets in 6 balls. Gary on fire here.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 16, 2018, 07:46:02 AM
Could've easily been 4 wickets in 10 balls as Labushchagne dropped Zaman off Holland's bowl
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 16, 2018, 07:47:18 AM
That's the problem with flat track bullies no heart. It's easy slogging Windies and Sri Lanka around
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 16, 2018, 10:45:11 AM
204-6 at tea. Fakhar 94 LBW Labushchagne. Ending a partnership of 147. Sarfraz 78*. Pitch pretty docile how Pakistan must be regretting those 10 balls of chaos
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 16, 2018, 12:14:52 PM
Good comeback from Pakistan. Sarfaraz threw it away once again

M.Marsh been given some token bowling so he doesnít get dropped
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 16, 2018, 12:16:57 PM
Who would've guessed Labushchamgne was in for his bowling...250 looks decent on his pitch considering the amount of turn Labushchagne is getting
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: rickjames on October 17, 2018, 08:04:43 AM
That was, err, rough
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 17, 2018, 09:01:32 AM
Labushchagne's drop of Zaman yesterday looks this the series defining moment. After that drop Lyon took those 4 wickets in 6 balls and Zaman/Sarfraz partnership some what buried Australia
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Kulli on October 17, 2018, 09:05:10 AM
Labushchagne's drop of Zaman yesterday looks this the series defining moment. After that drop Lyon took those 4 wickets in 6 balls and Zaman/Sarfraz partnership some what buried Australia

That and the fact Australia seem to have forgotten to take a middle order with them on tour.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 17, 2018, 09:14:09 AM
That and the fact Australia seem to have forgotten to take a middle order with them on tour.
You're always handicapped when you pick one Marsh but if you pick two you've got no hope
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Kulli on October 17, 2018, 09:18:20 AM
You're always handicapped when you pick one Marsh but if you pick two you've got no hope
Head, Pain and Loose Bus Change haven't exactly been tearing it up either to be fair.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 17, 2018, 09:29:13 AM
Head, Pain and Loose Bus Change haven't exactly been tearing it up either to be fair.

Paine made an unbeaten 60 to salvage a draw in the last game and is averaging over 40 in Tests, I think you can let him off to be fair
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Kulli on October 17, 2018, 09:35:28 AM
I'll give him the match-saving innings, still only averaging 23 for the series though.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 17, 2018, 09:41:15 AM
At the end of the day your first class record is a barometer of abilities. Mitch Marsh, Head and Labushchagne average in the 30s. Whilst players with superior records Maxwell, Handscombe and Burns don't get selected. Renshaw carrying drinks is ridiculous 
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 17, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
I'll give him the match-saving innings, still only averaging 23 for the series though.

Isn't he averaging 35.5 (thanks mainly to his red inker)

I haven't looked into it in great detail but I imagine that would put him fairly close to the top of the Australian averages?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Kulli on October 17, 2018, 09:54:13 AM
Isn't he averaging 35.5 (thanks mainly to his red inker)

I haven't looked into it in great detail but I imagine that would put him fairly close to the top of the Australian averages?
Indeed he is, too early for me :
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: edge on October 17, 2018, 10:00:34 AM
Loose bus change - I know they've lost a couple of players, but how on earth does a first class career average of 33 with a grand total of 4 tons get you picked as a batsman for Australia..?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 17, 2018, 10:53:33 AM
Most worrying for the Aussies - they lost 5 wickets to a pace bowler. Their bowlers won't be happy with that!

Pak well on top and doing the right thing attacking
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: brokenbat on October 17, 2018, 03:45:03 PM
Most worrying for the Aussies - they lost 5 wickets to a pace bowler. Their bowlers won't be happy with that!

Pak well on top and doing the right thing attacking

mohammad abbas is something special.. still early days, but his stats are unbelievable so far. averages 16 with the ball. has already taken 54 wickets, and this is just his tenth game (with one innings to go)
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 17, 2018, 04:06:31 PM
Abbas is something special for sure

He will do great for county sides year in year out .

He should be in the one day side too no idea why he's not
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 17, 2018, 04:12:54 PM
Loose bus change - I know they've lost a couple of players, but how on earth does a first class career average of 33 with a grand total of 4 tons get you picked as a batsman for Australia..?

Umm, what are the avgís of Englandís super world class stars ?!?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: edge on October 17, 2018, 04:44:00 PM
Umm, what are the avgís of Englandís super world class stars ?!?
I didn't mention England?! But since you asked... the only batsman in the current test squad who doesn't have a considerably better first class record than that is Jos Buttler, who has a higher test average and in any case at least got himself into the test side as a batsman by proving his international class in white ball cricket. Given that our batting has been pretty poor lately I think that only backs the question up!
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 17, 2018, 04:57:36 PM
I didn't mention England?! But since you asked... the only batsman in the current test squad who doesn't have a considerably better first class record than that is Jos Buttler, who has a higher test average and in any case at least got himself into the test side as a batsman by proving his international class in white ball cricket. Given that our batting has been pretty poor lately I think that only backs the question up!

How many are 40+ out of interest ? 
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: shadowlight on October 17, 2018, 04:58:56 PM
Loose bus change - I know they've lost a couple of players, but how on earth does a first class career average of 33 with a grand total of 4 tons get you picked as a batsman for Australia..?

You have to be considered as future investment  ;)

Edit: I am just waiting for the Marsh brothers to score heavily in the 2nd innings, which will get them 4 to 6 more tests and the cycle will start over.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: edge on October 17, 2018, 05:58:17 PM
How many are 40+ out of interest ?
Two! :D

37+ seems to be the top bracket in the county champs these days, drop in quality of batsman or result of playing most of the games at silly times of the season? One for another thread perhaps.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: smilley792 on October 17, 2018, 06:20:18 PM
Umm, what are the avgís of Englandís super world class stars ?!?

Is this not the Aussies vs Pakistan thread? Why has Englands issues got anything to do with it?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 18, 2018, 07:00:00 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sDbRtW2K3rI

A must watch - village run out!

Up there with Ian bell a few years ago - still canít believe bell was recalled and allowed to carry on
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: leatherseat on October 18, 2018, 08:41:18 AM
What an absolute waste of a wicket. 'Village' or even 'Junior Village' is absolutely right.
Azhar Ali may have a sleepless night after that.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Buzz on October 18, 2018, 08:44:54 AM
Still not Sammit Patel though.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 18, 2018, 08:46:49 AM
Pure comedy even Rameez can't contain his amusement
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 18, 2018, 08:50:14 AM
Pakistan should slog another 50-70 runs and stick the Aussies in. Khawaja can't open the batting as he's been off the field. 
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 18, 2018, 09:07:07 AM
Better quality clip

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Lfr08Md0o
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 18, 2018, 09:46:44 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sDbRtW2K3rI

A must watch - village run out!

Up there with Ian bell a few years ago - still canít believe bell was recalled and allowed to carry on

This isn't anything like the Bell one?
When it happened to Bell it was the last ball of the session and the batsmen thought the ball had crossed the boundary. This was the third ball of the 9th over of the day, and it clear that the ball hadn't crossed (or got that close to) the boundary.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: rickjames on October 18, 2018, 10:07:55 AM
Yeah, this is stupidity rather than 'spirit of the game'
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: smilley792 on October 18, 2018, 10:13:08 AM
With the bell one, I think even kumar had thought it had gone, he got up from the covers, brushed himself off and then casually tossed it back to dhoni who whipped them off.

Everyone at the ground thought it had gone.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 18, 2018, 10:14:29 AM
This isn't anything like the Bell one?
When it happened to Bell it was the last ball of the session and the batsmen thought the ball had crossed the boundary. This was the third ball of the 9th over of the day, and it clear that the ball hadn't crossed (or got that close to) the boundary.

Pretty much the same thing, batsmen error in thinking it had gone to the boundary whilst the ball was still live and subsequently "run out". The only difference being as you pointed it out - it was the last ball of the session. He was still out of his crease and should've been given run out.


I can imagine micky arthur kicking off about Ali, not for the first time he's been involved
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Kulli on October 18, 2018, 10:16:30 AM
Pretty much the same thing, batsmen error in thinking it had gone to the boundary whilst the ball was still live and subsequently "run out". The only difference being as you pointed it out - it was the last ball of the session. He was still out of his crease and should've been given run out.


I can imagine micky arthur kicking off about Ali, not for the first time he's been involved
Been changed since the Bell run out nut isn't there a rule against decieving the batsman, abiet wilfully which I'm not sure was the issue so much as tiredness/laziness in Kumar's case.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 18, 2018, 10:25:31 AM
Big mistake from azhar he deserved to go out
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 18, 2018, 10:46:21 AM
Been changed since the Bell run out nut isn't there a rule against decieving the batsman, abiet wilfully which I'm not sure was the issue so much as tiredness/laziness in Kumar's case.

5 run penalty for ďfakeĒ fielding. Put an end to pointless dives and fake throws
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Kulli on October 18, 2018, 10:55:49 AM
5 run penalty for ďfakeĒ fielding. Put an end to pointless dives and fake throws

Reckon Kumar would have gotten done under the new rules?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 18, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
Reckon Kumar would have gotten done under the new rules?

Donít think laziness/chasing after a ball slowly is considered fake fielding. A lot of old bowlers wouldíve got done for it
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: SAFC2403 on October 18, 2018, 11:53:11 AM
That run out is proper village - surely as a batsman you know if its gone for 4 or not?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: smilley792 on October 18, 2018, 12:50:13 PM
Good old Shaun Marsh eh.........
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 18, 2018, 12:50:49 PM
Pakistan declared 400/9 - Babar 99 and Sarfraz 81

Australia nEed 538 or to survive 188 overs. The hapless Shaun Marsh opened, Khawaja apparently has an ACL injury, out for 3
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 18, 2018, 01:13:16 PM
Is finch not batting in the danger area? I thought the rules changed preventing batsmen batting too far out of their crease
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 19, 2018, 07:03:21 AM
The same pitches some call roads, Abbas showing what can be done - really skillful stuff
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 19, 2018, 07:24:02 AM
I'll give him the match-saving innings, still only averaging 23 for the series though.

Turns out you saw into the future @Kulli
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Kulli on October 19, 2018, 07:30:43 AM
Turns out you saw into the future @Kulli
Ha, should have had money on it!
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: FattusCattus on October 19, 2018, 07:44:56 AM
I haven't seen much on telly, so can someone explain in simple terms why the Abbas fella is so good? He's described as Right arm Med Fast - but he;s picking up wickets for fun, what is it he's doing?
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: alexhilly1492 on October 19, 2018, 07:55:57 AM
I haven't seen much on telly, so can someone explain in simple terms why the Abbas fella is so good? He's described as Right arm Med Fast - but he;s picking up wickets for fun, what is it he's doing?

Line and length bit of nibble

Proper test match bowling 
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mfarank on October 19, 2018, 07:58:38 AM
I haven't seen much on telly, so can someone explain in simple terms why the Abbas fella is so good? He's described as Right arm Med Fast - but he;s picking up wickets for fun, what is it he's doing?
Good lines, good lengths, dangerous seam movement. U would be surprised how effective u can be if u keep things simple
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 19, 2018, 08:00:44 AM
You watch Abbas and it's pretty reminiscent of how Philander started off in Test cricket.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 19, 2018, 08:03:59 AM
The brothers Marsh really showed their value to Australian cricket
Shaun Marsh 14 runs at 3.50
Mitchell Marsh 30 runs at 7.50

It turns out having 'lineage' doesn't mean you have any talent
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 19, 2018, 08:14:24 AM
You watch Abbas and it's pretty reminiscent of how Philander started off in Test cricket.

Only thing was, Philander was pants on the sub-continent. Skipped a few tours with "injuries" too
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: ManHOOS on October 19, 2018, 09:24:07 AM
I haven't seen much on telly, so can someone explain in simple terms why the Abbas fella is so good? He's described as Right arm Med Fast - but he;s picking up wickets for fun, what is it he's doing?

Seam movement little bit away and inswing, pitching on good lenghths, i was watching it live on telly, it reminds me of Asif s spell in England back in 2010 against Australia.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: mo_town on October 19, 2018, 09:45:06 AM
Abbas is doing the three basic things right.... pitching on right lengths, moving the ball, bowling very accurately
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 19, 2018, 09:45:31 AM
Abbas hopefully new legend for Pak

Should be in one day side
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: brokenbat on October 19, 2018, 10:25:25 AM
I haven't seen much on telly, so can someone explain in simple terms why the Abbas fella is so good? He's described as Right arm Med Fast - but he;s picking up wickets for fun, what is it he's doing?


http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25021770/reactions-see-new-no-1-test-bowler-coming-mohammad-abbas (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25021770/reactions-see-new-no-1-test-bowler-coming-mohammad-abbas)
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Manormanic on October 19, 2018, 11:02:02 AM
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25021770/reactions-see-new-no-1-test-bowler-coming-mohammad-abbas[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25021770/reactions-see-new-no-1-test-bowler-coming-mohammad-abbas[/url])


A la Pollock, McGrath, Srinath and plenty of others, nibbling the ball around at 82-84mph with very few bad balls tends to do well, especially when people have not faced him before.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 19, 2018, 11:17:55 AM
A la Pollock, McGrath, Srinath and plenty of others, nibbling the ball around at 82-84mph with very few bad balls tends to do well, especially when people have not faced him before.

Itíll do even better in the modern era assuming itís not on roads as the batsmen donít have the mentality or techniques to survive
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: edge on October 19, 2018, 02:02:53 PM
A la Pollock, McGrath, Srinath and plenty of others, nibbling the ball around at 82-84mph with very few bad balls tends to do well, especially when people have not faced him before.
Worth saying the speed is much less important than the accuracy and movement - plenty of top quality test seamers over the years who weren't all that quick, but not many who were erratic or didn't do much with the ball. Abbas is a near constant threat to the off stump, always accurate and always moving the ball just enough.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 19, 2018, 02:44:50 PM
The amount of comments from class batsman. And bowlers on that link saying Abbas is a Greta bowler surprised me

Steyn Collingwood amongst others
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: six and out on October 19, 2018, 04:56:05 PM
I haven't seen much on telly, so can someone explain in simple terms why the Abbas fella is so good? He's described as Right arm Med Fast - but he;s picking up wickets for fun, what is it he's doing?


Cat did you not see the Lords test in May when Abbas got 8 for...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18025/scorecard/1119535/england-vs-pakistan-1st-test-pak-in-ire-eng-scot-2018 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18025/scorecard/1119535/england-vs-pakistan-1st-test-pak-in-ire-eng-scot-2018)
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: FattusCattus on October 19, 2018, 07:52:34 PM
I was there!!!

(But of course, I was very, very drunk)
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: brokenbat on October 19, 2018, 08:59:59 PM
Whatís been remarkable is the nip and seam heís getting on these so called roads in the UAE
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: cricketbadger on October 19, 2018, 09:26:18 PM
I'd back myself to score more runs than the Marsh Brothers have in the series combined

Surely they need to go
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: hammersjr on October 19, 2018, 11:44:12 PM
I'd back myself to score more runs than the Marsh Brothers have in the series combined

Surely they need to go

Tough when theyíve just named Mitchell vice captain
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: cricketbadger on October 20, 2018, 07:30:29 AM
Tough when theyíve just named Mitchell vice captain

Yeh I read that, can't believe they made that decision. Friends in high places
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Buzz on October 20, 2018, 07:33:23 AM
The vc decision was made by a vote from the team
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: SD on October 20, 2018, 10:36:06 AM
The vc decision was made by a vote from the team

Winston Churchill may need to revise his opinion that democracy is the least worse system of government.  First Brexit now this
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 20, 2018, 10:54:42 AM
This is the worst Australian team Iíve seen and Iím sure others agree.

Starc nothing without the sandpaper.
Batting looks woeful - even worse with khawaja injured now
Embarassing recall of Siddle - surely aussies have other young quicks. Better hope Cummings and hazlewood are fit for the summer.

The marsh brothers really arenít the saviours of Aussie cricket despite their ashes heroics


Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: six and out on October 20, 2018, 11:08:17 AM
This is the worst Australian team Iíve seen and Iím sure others agree.

Starc nothing without the sandpaper.
Batting looks woeful - even worse with khawaja injured now
Embarassing recall of Siddle - surely aussies have other young quicks. Better hope Cummings and hazlewood are fit for the summer.

The marsh brothers really arenít the saviours of Aussie cricket despite their ashes heroics

The home series vs India is going to be very interesting indeed. The India pace attack is very decent now with Yadav, Shami and Bumrah etc... it is one thing losing away on the sub continent but if they get turned over at home... hmmmmm
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: edge on October 20, 2018, 11:29:05 AM
The thing I really don't get is why the Australians are shooting themselves in the foot quite so hard with selection. They'd probably have lost to Pakistan anyway, but surely their top 6 would look a lot better with Renshaw, Burns and Maxwell in place of the Marshes and Labuschagne. Keep Shaun Marsh at 5 if you want but sticking Mitchell in at 4 in a test series is criminal selection. Siddle's an honest bowler but there must have been a better option available for a subcontinent tour? Aussie members, tell me I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 20, 2018, 11:34:11 AM
The thing I really don't get is why the Australians are shooting themselves in the foot quite so hard with selection. They'd probably have lost to Pakistan anyway, but surely their top 6 would look a lot better with Renshaw, Burns and Maxwell in place of the Marshes and Labuschagne. Keep Shaun Marsh at 5 if you want but sticking Mitchell in at 4 in a test series is criminal selection. Siddle's an honest bowler but there must have been a better option available for a subcontinent tour? Aussie members, tell me I'm wrong.

Whoever is selected you/we can level stuff at. Moeen vs leech, Compton being dropped.. name as many as you want

Fact is, Maxwell isnít a red ball player and siddle is at least supposed to be accurate unlike quicks (plus they are all broken). Renshaw, well something has happened behind the scenes... burns hasnít really shown much but like most, becomes a better player out of the team.

Maybe Aus like eng just donít have the talent pool for red ball (quality wise).
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 20, 2018, 12:53:37 PM
Is Callum Ferguson not going to be considered. He had a good county season and heís solid.

Was the next big thing in Aussie cricket before he was his injuries
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 20, 2018, 08:18:56 PM
Not sure where this notion that Maxwell isn't a red ball player. He averages over 40 in red ball cricket. More than M Marsh, Finch, Paine, Labushchagne, Head and Renshaw. Only ones with a better fc record are Smith, Warner and Khawaja so therefore Maxwell is fourth best batsman in Australia. Unless stats for selection are distorted whereby Maxwell needs to win a noble peace prize to get selected. Maxwell scored a brilliant hundred for Yorkshire on raging green top and he's actually got a test hundred in Asia.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: FattusCattus on October 20, 2018, 08:31:32 PM
Maxwell is a really good player, I think he ran over a selectors sheep in a previous life - big, big CA mistake!!!
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Kulli on October 20, 2018, 09:46:29 PM
As an england fan Renshaw, Maxwell and co can most definitely stay out of favour until this time next year. If a top order anything like the current one turns up next summer no bookie will even give you odds on an Oz win.
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: csnew on October 20, 2018, 10:23:23 PM
Maxwellís the second best Aussie player of spin. Heís got runs on the sub continent and shown heís got the temperament.
Now I donít know how relevant the allegations in the spot fixing video are, but even mark W thought he shouldíve been picked
Title: Re: Pakistan v Aussies
Post by: Novak on October 26, 2018, 07:13:11 PM
What a match T20 second match