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Title: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 01, 2018, 09:06:24 PM
Windies touring India for a full series, disappointingly their gun players once again not interested/selected for the Test matches.

India Test squad: Virat Kohli (C), KL Rahul, Prithvi Shaw, Mayank Agarwal, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Hanuma Vihari, Rishabh Pant (wk), R Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Kuldeep Yadav, Mohammed Shami, Umesh Yadav, Mohammed Siraj, Shardul Thakur

Windies Test squad: Jason Holder (C), Sunil Ambris, Devendra Bishoo, Kraigg Brathwaite, Roston Chase, Shane Dowrich (wk), Shannon Gabriel, Jahmar Hamilton (wk), Shimron Hetmyer, Shai Hope, Sherman Lewis, Keemo Paul, Kieran Powell, Kemar Roach, Jomel Warrican

India with at least one new opener with Dhawan axed. No Kumar, Ishant or Bumrah. Nair dropped despite being drinks boy for the last six matches
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: sgcricket on October 02, 2018, 08:22:39 AM
Gavaskar was righfully mad about the way they treated Nair. Definitely pathetic. If you don't have confidence in him, don't pick him.

And now telling him that he needs to score heavily in domestic (which he couldn't as he was carrying drinks btw). And those that did (Mayank Agarwal, Shaw and Vihari) have overtaken him.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on October 02, 2018, 06:28:01 PM
Dowrich must be the worst keeper/batsmen doing the rounds in test or even international cricket

India should walk this
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 03, 2018, 10:38:30 AM
India's 18 year old boy wonder Prithvi Shaw to debut. I don't understand how they go about their selection policies. Mayank Agarwal the other uncapped opener missed out despite reportedly averaging over 60 over the last two years. Vihari also chopped after one match. Kohli also tried avoiding questions about Nair. Be a man and tell everyone you don't like him.

Kemar Roach misses the first Test following the death of his grandmother
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: kaustav on October 03, 2018, 04:10:37 PM
So India will probably beat the Windies and Shastri will come out boasting about how great a side this one is.

Team selection is quite baffling. As an Indian supporter, I really want Windies to run them close so that people seriously pay heed to the huge chinks in the bloody armor.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: adb club cricketer on October 04, 2018, 05:34:32 AM
Tbh,  Nair hasn't performed well ever since that triple century either in domestic cricket or in the A tours while Shaw/Mayank and Vihari have scored a lot. So I don't think it is a surprise the team management/selectors don't have confidence in him based on current form. Going back to domestic cricket and scoring runs is best advice for him right now and taking in form batsmen is a good decision by the selectors.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 04, 2018, 06:45:09 AM
Should scrap the toss and allow away teams to decide what they want to do.
India going at 5.5RPO
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 04, 2018, 07:20:31 AM
Shaw smashes a run a ball century on debut. Pujara right at home on these northern Indian pitches
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: petehosk on October 04, 2018, 08:12:02 AM
This Prithvi Shaw looks like the real deal! Scary that he seems to be right at home at such a young age!
If he can play the swinging ball too, then they may have found a very special batsman! With opening batsmen in short supply in Test cricket, I am rather envious!
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: sgcricket on October 04, 2018, 09:12:17 AM
Tbh,  Nair hasn't performed well ever since that triple century either in domestic cricket or in the A tours while Shaw/Mayank and Vihari have scored a lot. So I don't think it is a surprise the team management/selectors don't have confidence in him based on current form. Going back to domestic cricket and scoring runs is best advice for him right now and taking in form batsmen is a good decision by the selectors.
Why pick him in the first place? Here the issue is that he was not given the chance to play the domestic matches and score the runs which the others did.


Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: six and out on October 04, 2018, 09:28:34 AM
This Prithvi Shaw looks like the real deal! Scary that he seems to be right at home at such a young age!
If he can play the swinging ball too, then they may have found a very special batsman! With opening batsmen in short supply in Test cricket, I am rather envious!

Fair play to him scoring a century on debut at such a young age but it has to be said it is at home against a woeful WI side. Lets see how he gets on against the Aussies away from home before we start saying he's special etc...
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 04, 2018, 10:35:22 AM
I'd say that Shaw is closer to Sehwag than Tendulkar tbh. Footwork is less fluid and he plays with his hands more. Anyone that watched the u19 World Cup, Gill was the better batsman.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Novak on October 04, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
How is sehwag rated in terms of great Indian batsman ?
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: kaustav on October 04, 2018, 03:49:58 PM
Fair play to him scoring a century on debut at such a young age but it has to be said it is at home against a woeful WI side. Lets see how he gets on against the Aussies away from home before we start saying he's special etc...

This.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: SD on October 04, 2018, 04:12:54 PM
Fair play to him scoring a century on debut at such a young age but it has to be said it is at home against a woeful WI side. Lets see how he gets on against the Aussies away from home before we start saying he's special etc...

Spot on.  Those lads who have been discarded after the England tour would have killed for the chance to open the batting on a nothing wicket against an attack of barely first class standard.  He is a young lad so plenty of time to work on his game, but right now his limited footwork and chasing the ball way from his body would make him a dream to bowl to with a moving ball
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: adb club cricketer on October 04, 2018, 05:50:12 PM
Why pick him in the first place? Here the issue is that he was not given the chance to play the domestic matches and score the runs which the others did.
Agree, selectors should not have picked him for Eng tour itself given that he hasnt scored much before that in recent domestic games. However, it is not that he hasn't got chance to play domestic at all due to eng tour selection, he did play in few domestic games as well as A tours, and hasn't scored. However, to correct one wrong, selectors don't need to do another wrong.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: adb club cricketer on October 04, 2018, 05:55:01 PM
Spot on.  Those lads who have been discarded after the England tour would have killed for the chance to open the batting on a nothing wicket against an attack of barely first class standard.  He is a young lad so plenty of time to work on his game, but right now his limited footwork and chasing the ball way from his body would make him a dream to bowl to with a moving ball
Right, to put things in perspective, Dhawan has scored a century on debut in lesser balls (85)  against a far better attack (Aus). However, we now know Dhawan is only a flat track specialist. On the other hand, Dhawan isn't a failure by any means either - except for Eng/Aus/SA tour tests, he is a wonderful player for tests elsewhere or ODIs anywhere. Shaw is special is a given but whether he is Dhawan/Rohit level or Kohli level is to be seen. I have a feeling he will be the latter but only time will tell.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: potzy248 on October 04, 2018, 10:19:21 PM
I like how they waited until playing him at home. Plenty of examples where young talents have been thrown into the deep end and failing. At least here he has his confidence sky high and hopefully will be a long term opener for India. Yes its a woeful attack on a road but you still have to score the runs, K L Rahul couldn't.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 05, 2018, 07:31:56 AM
Just the 24th test century for Kohli, second fastest to that amount behind the Don. Rant blazed away to 92 then threw it away. Pitch is spinning sharply
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 05, 2018, 07:32:37 AM
I like how they waited until playing him at home. Plenty of examples where young talents have been thrown into the deep end and failing. At least here he has his confidence sky high and hopefully will be a long term opener for India. Yes its a woeful attack on a road but you still have to score the runs, K L Rahul couldn't.
KL Rahul's reviews are getting worst than Shane Watson's
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 05, 2018, 08:45:16 AM
Windies missing holder's captaincy. Brathwaite a non regular captain pretty uninspiring field placements even against the new batsmen.

India declared 649-9, Jadeja reached a maiden test century
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: rickjames on October 05, 2018, 08:52:59 AM
For the sake of the game, this is so depressing.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Kulli on October 05, 2018, 09:01:57 AM
For the sake of the game, this is so depressing.

Windies are already pretty weak, and missing the following who you'd probably/Possibly consider if fit/not greedy:

Gayle, Bravo, Bravo, Narine, Ramdin, Russell, Pollard, Samuels, Holder, Roach, Azzari Joseph, Cummings. And there's probably 1-2 others I've forgotten.

Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Rob580 on October 05, 2018, 09:55:08 AM
Windies are already pretty weak, and missing the following who you'd probably/Possibly consider if fit/not greedy:

Gayle, Bravo, Bravo, Narine, Ramdin, Russell, Pollard, Samuels, Holder, Roach, Azzari Joseph, Cummings. And there's probably 1-2 others I've forgotten.

I'd probably bring Lara & Viv Richards out of retirement too!
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: alexhilly1492 on October 05, 2018, 10:05:11 AM
I hope they improve before England visit!
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 05, 2018, 10:06:44 AM
33-4 on arguably the best batting wicket in India, absolutely embarrassing
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 05, 2018, 10:28:36 AM
5 down inside 17 overs on a road, pathetic from the west indies.

I wouldn't bother enforcing the follow-on, rack some more runs up. Plenty of time in the match left
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: wasted_talent on October 05, 2018, 12:57:00 PM
India's 18 year old boy wonder Prithvi Shaw to debut. I don't understand how they go about their selection policies. Mayank Agarwal the other uncapped opener missed out despite reportedly averaging over 60 over the last two years. Vihari also chopped after one match. Kohli also tried avoiding questions about Nair. Be a man and tell everyone you don't like him.

Kemar Roach misses the first Test following the death of his grandmother

tbh difficult to fit vihari in when picking 5 batsmen, keeper and 5 bowlers?
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Jimmy Tieana on October 05, 2018, 06:09:43 PM
A loss in England was much anticipated, and then someone made the right decision to choose WI as the next opponent......wise planning or foresight indeed.....
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: adb club cricketer on October 05, 2018, 06:30:06 PM
Tests like these are a sure shot way to lead to demise of tests. Unless ICC does something to even out home advantage, tests will soon be extinct. Players like Kohli/Root might keep saying Test cricket is alive, it is his favorite format etc etc, but game runs with viewers, not just the playing xi.  I am sure no one from WI will want to watch these tests given the obvious result.  No one knows what is best way to even out home advantage but at least doing away with toss and let visiting captain decide is a start to bring some competitiveness into the game.  More measures need be evaluated even then to make sure games are competitive.



Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: ppccopener on October 05, 2018, 06:39:25 PM
Tests like these are a sure shot way to lead to demise of tests. Unless ICC does something to even out home advantage, tests will soon be extinct. Players like Kohli/Root might keep saying Test cricket is alive, it is his favorite format etc etc, but game runs with viewers, not just the playing xi.  I am sure no one from WI will want to watch these tests given the obvious result.  No one knows what is best way to even out home advantage but at least doing away with toss and let visiting captain decide is a start to bring some competitiveness into the game.  More measures need be evaluated even then to make sure games are competitive.





Totally..the away captain should get the toss I can't think for the life of me why this idea is so negatively received in the media..and often on this forum.

Pitches ain't gonna change this is the easiest way to get more even competitive cricket.

Half of me thinks they actually want test cricket to die so the money spinning one day or t20 gets flogged for more cash and no one need bother with 5 day.

It's......insert swear word......tragic !!!
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 05, 2018, 07:02:07 PM
Is this on tv anywhere ?

Pointless series really but itís better than limited overs stuff
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 05, 2018, 07:13:18 PM
Let us be honest here, had Windies batted first I still don't think they would've reached 300. Until the WICB stops putting all their revenue into their board members pockets, Windies won't get their better players playing Test cricket. The contracts offered to Gayle, Lewis, Russell etc are quite frankly embarrassing. The board members are taking home 7 figures, whereas the star players are being offered between $70,000-200,000. Windies players are branded 'greedy' yet why should some pen pusher take home 7 figures when it's the players essentially earning that revenue?
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: cricketbadger on October 05, 2018, 07:27:50 PM
Is this on tv anywhere ?

Pointless series really but itís better than limited overs stuff

Now Windies are batting it probably won't even last as long as a limited overs game. Like a pack of cards
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 05, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
Let us be honest here, had Windies batted first I still don't think they would've reached 300. Until the WICB stops putting all their revenue into their board members pockets, Windies won't get their better players playing Test cricket. The contracts offered to Gayle, Lewis, Russell etc are quite frankly embarrassing. The board members are taking home 7 figures, whereas the star players are being offered between $70,000-200,000. Windies players are branded 'greedy' yet why should some pen pusher take home 7 figures when it's the players essentially earning that revenue?

Modern world. Loads of pen pushing roles take home monster wages
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: adb club cricketer on October 05, 2018, 07:41:17 PM
Let us be honest here, had Windies batted first I still don't think they would've reached 300. Until the WICB stops putting all their revenue into their board members pockets, Windies won't get their better players playing Test cricket. The contracts offered to Gayle, Lewis, Russell etc are quite frankly embarrassing. The board members are taking home 7 figures, whereas the star players are being offered between $70,000-200,000. Windies players are branded 'greedy' yet why should some pen pusher take home 7 figures when it's the players essentially earning that revenue?

Point is not that WI would have won or even be competitive if they batted first. There will be one sided games in any sport between two vastly differently ranked teams. However, games between evenly ranked teams will be more competitive with change in toss rules. And in case of WI here, there is possibility that the loss will be less severe if they bat first in general (though this particular match is a one off where they played really badly).
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 05, 2018, 08:09:11 PM
I've felt in recent times Windies feel obligated to play India whenever the BCCI requires them due to the IPL/NOCs.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: ppccopener on October 05, 2018, 08:14:27 PM
And by the same token, if India, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh or Pakistan for that matter(although I've watched them here last two tours and they played pretty well) tour over here especially with the short straw in May hand them the toss. Simply hand it to them....

England winning at Home and Pakistan as an example being virtually unbeatable in UAE or Lanka at home is getting all too predictable.

try it...what is there too lose. I'd rather see England pushed at home, it would be a better contest.

Vaughan doesn't think it a good idea is that it?  :) :)
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 05, 2018, 10:02:55 PM
And by the same token, if India, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh or Pakistan for that matter(although I've watched them here last two tours and they played pretty well) tour over here especially with the short straw in May hand them the toss. Simply hand it to them....

England winning at Home and Pakistan as an example being virtually unbeatable in UAE or Lanka at home is getting all too predictable.

try it...what is there too lose. I'd rather see England pushed at home, it would be a better contest.

Vaughan doesn't think it a good idea is that it?  :) :)

Didnít England win every toss of the last tour of India and still get hammered.
I agree to scrap the toss, no that it would make much of a difference with West Indies

Have skysports lost rights for indiaís Home games?
Rather watch this test series than the crap theyíre showing - Zim vs SA
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 06, 2018, 07:19:37 AM
The only actual game of cricket on sky is the awful Sa vs zim white ball stuff


Why the hell arenít they showing the India test match, englsnd warm ups if there really isnít any other SA/Aus state red ball cricket to watch. Sky sports really is crap now.. just lower league or random counties football and re-runs

Cost keeps going up tho for such high quality programming
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: ppccopener on October 06, 2018, 09:43:27 AM
Didnít England win every toss of the last tour of India and still get hammered.
I agree to scrap the toss, no that it would make much of a difference with West Indies

Have skysports lost rights for indiaís Home games?
Rather watch this test series than the crap theyíre showing - Zim vs SA

Your quite right 0-4 in India and we did win the toss each game. windies are a very poor side for sure.

I think rather than any one series to look at its the overall change to away matches for all nations for scrapping the toss.

It's certainly up for debate and there are a lot not in favour of it.

If you look at ways to make test cricket more attractive there is night cricket, changing it to a four day game, etc....

Personally I want 5 day test matches played during the day, one day and t20 cricket is more suited to the evening if it gets people into watch.

As pointed out by @RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie ....it needs to be competitive otherwise people will switch off..

Let's hope test cricket survives long term, we would be lost without it I think
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 06, 2018, 10:07:31 AM
The only actual game of cricket on sky is the awful Sa vs zim white ball stuff


Why the hell arenít they showing the India test match, englsnd warm ups if there really isnít any other SA/Aus state red ball cricket to watch. Sky sports really is crap now.. just lower league or random counties football and re-runs

Cost keeps going up tho for such high quality programming

Totally agree

Also getting tired with the number of womenís matches being shown. Skyís coverage is declining with each passing year.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Sam on October 06, 2018, 11:04:18 AM
The only actual game of cricket on sky is the awful Sa vs zim white ball stuff


Why the hell arenít they showing the India test match, englsnd warm ups if there really isnít any other SA/Aus state red ball cricket to watch. Sky sports really is crap now.. just lower league or random counties football and re-runs

Cost keeps going up tho for such high quality programming

I believe they've lost the rights to the India internationals and I assume they don't get much of a say in whether the England warm-ups are televised by the local broadcaster or not.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 11, 2018, 06:43:04 PM
Second test starts tonight in Hyderabad, Windies have confirmed that captain Jason Holder and pace spearhead Kemar Roach will play. Slow left arm tweaker Jomel Warrican looks likely to get a game as well

Somewhat surprisingly India opted not to give Mayank Agarwal a debut in place of Pujara/Kohli
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 12, 2018, 11:11:43 AM
Solid day for the Windies 295-7 at stumps after winning the toss. Surprisingly Roach wasn't selected at the last minute. Chase 98* and captain Holder got a fifty on his return. India rattled through 95 overs, debutant seamer Thakur got injured after 10 balls. So India down to one seamer and three spinners
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 13, 2018, 01:20:31 PM
Close at day 2:
Windies 311 a/o Chase 106 & U Yadav 6/88
India 308/4 Shaw 70, Rahane 75* and Pant 85*

Chase is a classy player of spin(2x 100 vs India and Pakistan), Windies will be frustrated that their top order didn't capitalize on a good batting wicket. Also the choice of an extra spinner is the wrong call on this surface, Roach would've been a better selection than Bishoo. Shaw smashed 70 in no time, like he was batting against a bowling machine. Kohli uncharacteristically lost concentration and got out in the 40s. The lack of the extra seam bowler hurt them when Rahane and  Pant steadied the ship, Pant happily took on the spinners
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 14, 2018, 01:08:19 PM
India polished off the Windies rather easily after a second innnings collapse from the visitors. India could only reach 357, neither Rahane 80 or Pant 92 could reach their centuries. Windies skipper Jason Holder took 5/56 and he's well and truly proving to be a fantastic all rounder. Second time around Windies could only muster 137. Umesh Yadav took a further 4 wickets and became just the third Indian quick bowler to take 10 wickets in a match at home(Kapil done it twice and Srinath once). India knocked off the runs without loss.

If Windies better players play Test cricket they could become a good side it's a shame someone like Holder's greatness is being wasted.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Novak on October 14, 2018, 01:54:55 PM
How good is holder then
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 21, 2018, 10:40:12 AM
Some knock from Hetmyer. Taken the attack to India.

Looks like an absolute road - would love batting on this



Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 21, 2018, 10:42:33 AM
Some knock from Hetmyer. Taken the attack to India.

Looks like an absolute road - would love batting on this

Is this on tv ?
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 21, 2018, 10:50:55 AM
Is this on tv ?

Nope - having to stream
Real shame that sky has lost most tv rights now
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 21, 2018, 10:55:36 AM
Nope - having to stream
Real shame that sky has lost most tv rights now

Sky is dire now given how much they charge
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: six and out on October 21, 2018, 11:02:19 AM
Sky is dire now given how much they charge

I completely agree Sky's charges are now very high. However what you have to remember is they are that high to cover the football not cricket. The football bid costs have got ridiculous, as have the cricket too be honest now that BT etc... have come into the market.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Novak on October 21, 2018, 11:16:48 AM
There's better deals for mobile on sky

Think it's like 6 quid a month
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 21, 2018, 11:45:16 AM
Theyíve also spent a lot investing in basketball now too. So I see prices going up more.

Also annoying the amount of womenís cricket thatís being shown. Iíd love to know how many people actually watch that crap
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 21, 2018, 12:01:51 PM
Oh well

Given the lack of interesting cricket I can see me getting rid of sky. Shame but hey ho
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 21, 2018, 12:26:26 PM
About time we saw some real pace in international cricket - Thomas cranking it up to 150kph
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Novak on October 21, 2018, 12:46:28 PM
Rohit batting with a clear strip of heartwood 🙃
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 21, 2018, 01:01:24 PM
Kohliís taking the pi$$. Making it look far far too easy
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Kulli on October 21, 2018, 01:12:58 PM
About time we saw some real pace in international cricket - Thomas cranking it up to 150kph
Doesnít seem to be helping much.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: joymarvin on October 21, 2018, 02:08:37 PM
36th ODI hundred for King Kohli
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 21, 2018, 02:13:03 PM
Another 100 in a chase for Kohli. Averaging 140+ this year and this is his first odi at home
Absolute freak
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 21, 2018, 02:20:43 PM
We arguably witnessed the two greatest ODI batsmen of all time in this era - Kohli and de Villiers. de Villiers plays sll the funky shots, yet Kohli often scores blazing hundreds just playing normal shots. Simply incredible. Kohli is not yet 30 and is 'only' 13 hundreds behind Tendulkar - a record I thought I would stand forever
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 21, 2018, 02:44:33 PM
We arguably witnessed the two greatest ODI batsmen of all time in this era - Kohli and de Villiers. de Villiers plays sll the funky shots, yet Kohli often scores blazing hundreds just playing normal shots. Simply incredible. Kohli is not yet 30 and is 'only' 13 hundreds behind Tendulkar - a record I thought I would stand forever

Would argue ABís record in big games/pressure chases is extremely poor. Canít remember any match winning knocks in a knockout games (correct me if Iím wrong)
Love watching him bat but definitely not in the top 5 greatest odi players
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: cricketbadger on October 21, 2018, 04:14:07 PM
Would argue ABís record in big games/pressure chases is extremely poor. Canít remember any match winning knocks in a knockout games (correct me if Iím wrong)
Love watching him bat but definitely not in the top 5 greatest odi players
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Name 5 better then please, don't think it's fair to judge him on match winning knocks. More on actual ability and skill, then for me he is in the top 3
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Novak on October 21, 2018, 04:42:47 PM
Raises an interesting question who is the top 5
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 21, 2018, 04:48:11 PM
India's top 3 quite clearly the bench mark in ODIs, they've 70 centuries between themselves. But if any opposition can get 2 of them out early you'd fancy your chances. Rayudu, Rahul, Jadhav and Dhoni aren't nearly as imposing. Maybe Pant will be the chap to add the firepower down the order.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on October 21, 2018, 05:12:27 PM
Raises an interesting question who is the top 5

Kohli
Gayle
Pieterson
S. smith
AB

Not necessarily in that order but for me the top 5 ODI batsmen in my mind from modern era
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Novak on October 21, 2018, 05:20:51 PM
That's a damn good top 4 could they bat in that order I guess they could

Guess kohli would drop and s Smith would open
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: fros23 on October 21, 2018, 05:45:47 PM
Kohli
Gayle
Pieterson
S. smith
AB

Not necessarily in that order but for me the top 5 ODI batsmen in my mind from modern era

I would add Root, Amla and Hussey to the mix, think people forget how successful those 3 have been in ODIs
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 21, 2018, 06:07:51 PM
I would add Root, Amla and Hussey to the mix, think people forget how successful those 3 have been in ODIs

Dhoni, Clarke and sanga. Trott has a very good record too.

S.Smithís record is relatively poor compared to the names mentioned
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Novak on October 21, 2018, 06:23:09 PM
Kohli is going to inevitably over tendukar and become India s greatest batsman which is unreal
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: six and out on October 21, 2018, 06:42:47 PM
Kohli
Gayle
Pieterson
S. smith
AB

Not necessarily in that order but for me the top 5 ODI batsmen in my mind from modern era

Very good list but also got to remember that ODI have been played for a while you have to add the following into the list ...

Tendulkar
Ponting
Richards
Bevan
Sangakarra
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 21, 2018, 06:58:27 PM
Very good list but also got to remember that ODI have been played for a while you have to add the following into the list ...

Tendulkar
Ponting
Richards
Bevan
Sangakarra

Totally different game then to now sadly
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 21, 2018, 07:09:55 PM
Totally different game then to now sadly

I agree - I remember the first 15 overs the white ball use to swing a mile. The likes of shane bond and Brett lee being unplayable. 1 over max these days
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 21, 2018, 07:13:05 PM
I agree - I remember the first 15 overs the white ball use to swing a mile. The likes of shane bond and Brett lee being unplayable. 1 over max these days

Bowling worse
New balls
Less swing
No reverse
More roads
Smaller boundaries

Loaded more to batters and thatís before you factor in the modern guys fitness and power and the fact theyíve been bred to hit. The likes of sangakkara and co werenít
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 21, 2018, 07:25:03 PM
Also the clamp down of chuckers
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: richyreed on October 21, 2018, 07:35:23 PM
Highlights of the first odi are here - http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/6760/highlights-indias-8-wicket-win-in-the-1st-odi (http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/6760/highlights-indias-8-wicket-win-in-the-1st-odi)

Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 21, 2018, 09:51:58 PM
Top 5 for my money:
Kohli
Tendulkar
de Villiers
IVA Richards
Bevan - best finisher of all time.

Guys like Amla, Ponting and Dhoni just miss out. 
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Novak on October 21, 2018, 10:14:08 PM
Bevan wow who can forget him

Where's he gone these days though. Never seen or heard from him

Bevan was a killer finisher . He was unreal
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 22, 2018, 10:50:44 AM
Bevan wow who can forget him

Where's he gone these days though. Never seen or heard from him

Bevan was a killer finisher . He was unreal
In the ultimate school of finishing you've got Bevan finesse or Dhoni brute strength, both outstanding  but I rate Bevan higher
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 24, 2018, 10:43:09 AM
Virat becomes the fastest to 10,000 runs.

Probably already the best white ball cricketer ever - nearly 1000 runs in 2018 from only 11 innings
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 24, 2018, 10:43:10 AM
Virat Kohli reaches 10,000 ODI runs in just his 205th innings, smashing Tendulkar's record by 54 innings
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 24, 2018, 11:25:13 AM
37th ODI hundred Kohli, 30th at number 3 another world record...easy for some
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 24, 2018, 11:33:24 AM
Add fastest to 1000 runs in a calendar year - 11 innings.
Baristow did his earlier this year in 21/22
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: ppccopener on October 24, 2018, 11:48:33 AM
if wonder if Indian fans on here think Kholi is the best ever, or will be in a few years

Sachin has god like status amoung  my Indian friends.

personally having watched most of the greats over the last 20 years I would have:

gavaskar, Tendulkar and kholi as the best ive seen.

Kholi perhaps the bet of the lot as much as SRT was an icon and loved watching him bat in England.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 24, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
India 321-6 Kohli 157* - 1047 runs at 149 ridiculous
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 24, 2018, 02:11:05 PM
Hetmyer looks like a great prospect for the windies - I'd imagine he'll be in line for a massive pay day at the IPL and follow the likes of gayle and bravo and prioritise t20 leagues over west indies

Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 24, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
Hetmyer 7 sixes so far, monstrous hitter
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 24, 2018, 04:16:09 PM
Incredible game ends in a tie. Hope smashed last ball for 4. Windies should've won at a canter tbh
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 24, 2018, 04:17:47 PM
Have to say holderís knock probably cost them. They were cruising
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 27, 2018, 03:00:15 PM
Virat Kohli becomes first Indian to score three consecutive ODI hundreds, 38th overall, the relentless pursuit of runs is incredible
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: csnew on October 27, 2018, 04:56:38 PM
Kohli fails in a chase! Good win that from the West Indies. Indiaís middle order strikes again.
Dhoniís already been dropped from the t20 side, about time he got dropped from the 50 over side too.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 27, 2018, 05:39:57 PM
India got issues with the batting. Jadhav is more useful than Rayudu. And without Pandya/Jadhav they lose the sixth bowler. No idea why they are playing two keepers. Dhoni has been awful for along time now
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: adb club cricketer on October 27, 2018, 05:59:08 PM
Really feel for Mayank. With failing batting in both tests and odis in national team and his superman performances in domestic cricket, he still doesn't get a chance in either tests/odis. Not sure what Rohit is doing in Aus tour test squad. Really poor selections must say.
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Buzz on October 27, 2018, 08:41:31 PM
Kohli fails in a chase! Good win that from the West Indies. Indiaís middle order strikes again.
Dhoniís already been dropped from the t20 side, about time he got dropped from the 50 over side too.

Some standards when a guy scores a ton and it is called a failure.
But then this is Kohli
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on October 29, 2018, 07:09:44 PM
Fourth ODI turned into a royal drubbing. India piled on 377-5, Rohit smashed 162(7th 150+ score in ODIs and a new world record)  and Rayudu blasted an even 100. Rare failure for Kohli. Windies crumbled to 153 a/o only Holder showing any resistance with an unbeaten fifty. Rohit essentially beat them by himself...
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on October 29, 2018, 07:13:18 PM
Fourth ODI turned into a royal drubbing. India piled on 377-5, Rohit smashed 162(7th 150+ score in ODIs and a new world record)  and Rayudu blasted an even 100. Rare failure for Kohli. Windies crumbled to 153 a/o only Holder showing any resistance with an unbeaten fifty. Rohit essentially beat them by himself...

Competitive then
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Obts1970 on November 01, 2018, 04:47:44 AM
Shaw becomes the 15th Indian to score a hundred on Test debut
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 01, 2018, 09:16:50 AM
Shaw becomes the 15th Indian to score a hundred on Test debut

Did your messenger pigeon get lost?
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: FattusCattus on November 01, 2018, 09:51:31 AM
Read the back posts @WalkingWicket37  - we've got a live one! :)
Title: Re: India vs Windies
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on November 01, 2018, 11:56:49 AM
Windies ran out of gas at the latter stages of the ODI series, crumbling to 104 a/o, Jadeja grabbing a 4fer. India hunted the target easily 105-1 Rohit 63*  and Kohli 33*. India's sixth consecutive ODI series win at home. You've gotta be pretty decent to turn them over on their own patch. IIRC the last team to win in India was South Africa and that down to a de Villiers master class in the deciding match.

Kohli finishes 2018 with 1202 runs at 133 with 6 centuries, had he not skipped the Asia cup he might've got near Tendulkar's 1700 ODI runs in a calendar year and 9 centuries.